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(Breitbart.com)   So just where did Syria get its chemical WMD's from? Hint it rhymes with Biraq   (breitbart.com) divider line 140
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2013-08-28 12:55:30 PM
News flash: Shia country aids Shia ruler. More at 11.
 
2013-08-28 12:56:28 PM
News flash: Buttbart is dead and his boy lover is a date raping douche bag attention whore.
 
2013-08-28 12:58:37 PM
I thought it was well known that Saddam shipped his chemical weapons over the border after Gulf War I.
 
2013-08-28 12:59:32 PM
I'm not clicking that link, but do they offer any proof of that assertion?
 
2013-08-28 01:00:58 PM
I am pretty sure that chemical weapons, specifically Sarin and VX, have a shelf life of just a couple years.  If, and its a big if, Saddam gave them to Syria, they are far past their effective date.
 
2013-08-28 01:02:22 PM
And I am pretty sure that all of Saddam's bluster about WMD was directed at Iran...to give them pause when thinking about farking him up
 
2013-08-28 01:05:12 PM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prov e_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran
 
2013-08-28 01:05:32 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: And I am pretty sure that all of Saddam's bluster about WMD was directed at Iran...to give them pause when thinking about farking him up


Saddam had already used chemical weapons against Iran in the past. While Iran likes to stir things up in their neighbor, I doubt they want to invade anybody.
 
2013-08-28 01:07:05 PM
Since this is Dead Moron.com, I'm going to say this is a lie.  anyone have a legitimate source for this information?
 
2013-08-28 01:09:11 PM
And "Breibart" rhymes with "pseudo-news for teatards."  No, wait....it actually sounds exactly the same.
 
2013-08-28 01:09:19 PM
Who supported Iraq in its chemical attacks on Iran during the 1980s?

Hint: the answer rhymes with "pagan."
 
2013-08-28 01:11:55 PM

simplicimus: Torgo_of_Manos: And I am pretty sure that all of Saddam's bluster about WMD was directed at Iran...to give them pause when thinking about farking him up

Saddam had already used chemical weapons against Iran in the past. While Iran likes to stir things up in their neighbor, I doubt they want to invade anybody.


I am aware that he used chem weapons during the war with Iran (as well against the Kurds)
They were then destroyed during and after the first Gulf Warn as well as their means of production.
He maintained that the he still had surplus...and as a result Bush, the dumber, took him at his word and invaded.
My point is, he maintained the lie to keep, his neighbors, including Iran, from farking him up.
There were no WMDs to ship to Syria
 
2013-08-28 01:14:40 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: I am pretty sure that chemical weapons, specifically Sarin and VX, have a shelf life of just a couple years.  If, and its a big if, Saddam gave them to Syria, they are far past their effective date.


Man, that's terrible news.  They better be careful with those spoiled chemical weapons, someone could get hurt!
 
2013-08-28 01:15:40 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: I am pretty sure that chemical weapons, specifically Sarin and VX, have a shelf life of just a couple years.  If, and its a big if, Saddam gave them to Syria, they are far past their effective date.


If you let that stuff expire, it become really nasty.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-28 01:17:51 PM

DjangoStonereaver: I thought it was well known that Saddam shipped his chemical weapons over the border after Gulf War I.


It's pretty well known to right wingnuts.
 
2013-08-28 01:20:43 PM

DjangoStonereaver: I thought it was well known that Saddam shipped his chemical weapons over the border after Gulf War I.


again, even it that was true, they would be, by now, useless.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-28 01:22:31 PM

ManateeGag: Since this is Dead Moron.com, I'm going to say this is a lie.  anyone have a legitimate source for this information?


That was the main excuse for not finding any WMDs in Iraq.  Obviously, Bush couldn't have been wrong, so he must have shipped them to Iran or Syria.

They were never able to decide which country they wanted to invade next so they never got on the same page.
 
2013-08-28 01:30:44 PM
 
2013-08-28 01:32:56 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: We've had this discussion.


I thought that would lead to a list, not a single thread.
 
2013-08-28 01:35:28 PM

simplicimus: News flash: Shia country aids Shia ruler. More at 11.


*pssst* saddam was a sunni.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-28 01:40:22 PM
Chemical weapons aren't that hard to make.  The Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan was able to make some.  It's silly to think that Syria wouldn't be able to make it's own.
 
2013-08-28 01:43:06 PM
'Liberals and democrats running out of chickens to f*ck.' News story at 11.
 
2013-08-28 01:44:05 PM
Sarin gas has a shelf life of a few weeks.  The Iraq war began over a decade ago.

Do the math.
 
2013-08-28 01:45:16 PM
If you study it out, they got their chemical weapons from Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman, depending on whether you're liberal or conservative
 
2013-08-28 01:49:47 PM

FlashHarry: simplicimus: News flash: Shia country aids Shia ruler. More at 11.

*pssst* saddam was a sunni.


Pfft! What good is painting if you can't do it with a broad brush?
 
2013-08-28 01:51:27 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: simplicimus: News flash: Shia country aids Shia ruler. More at 11.

*pssst* saddam was a sunni.

Pfft! What good is painting if you can't do it with a broad brush?


ask georges seurat!
 
2013-08-28 01:57:58 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'Liberals and democrats running out of chickens to f*ck.' News story at 11.


Well, yeah.  That market had already been cornered.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-28 02:01:52 PM
Iraqi nerve agents really do have a short shelf life.  The binary ammunition that the US used was good for years, but Iraq apparently didn't have that.
 
2013-08-28 02:10:46 PM
If - and many of us believe when - the Assad regime decides to use these bio-chemical weapons; these WMD, against the rebels, and if the spent shells are found to possess Iraqi markings of manufacture, anti-war Democrats and Progressives here in the United States will have been complicit in what is tantamount to genocide,

Oh, eat all the farking dicks.
 
2013-08-28 02:11:34 PM
I'm guessing it probably rhymes with Prussia.
 
2013-08-28 02:12:28 PM
Old conspiracy theory is old.
 
2013-08-28 02:12:32 PM
And where did Iraq get them in the first place?
 
2013-08-28 02:12:33 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: I am pretty sure that chemical weapons, specifically Sarin and VX, have a shelf life of just a couple years.  If, and its a big if, Saddam gave them to Syria, they are far past their effective date.


The mustard gas has turned back into a condiment.
 
2013-08-28 02:13:30 PM
We supposedly had detailed satellite images of everything they did, they even got Powell to go out there and tell us a bunch of vans were chemical weapons factories.

But somehow, there is no single shred of evidence available for the claim that they shipped "hundreds of tons" of WMD to Syria. That massive logistics effort was somehow the stealthiest thing.
 
2013-08-28 02:14:27 PM
Barack? I bet it's Barack.
 
2013-08-28 02:15:25 PM

monoski: And where did Iraq get them in the first place?


Old man Johnson, down the way. He would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.
 
2013-08-28 02:15:35 PM
i361.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-28 02:15:44 PM

James!: If - and many of us believe when - the Assad regime decides to use these bio-chemical weapons; these WMD, against the rebels, and if the spent shells are found to possess Iraqi markings of manufacture, anti-war Democrats and Progressives here in the United States will have been complicit in what is tantamount to genocide,

Oh, eat all the farking dicks.


Especially in light of prevailing right wing opinion that Syria should be left alone now.

These people are due a dick avalanche.
 
2013-08-28 02:15:45 PM
Why do you guys keep bringing up Iraq? Get over it man, it was so long ago now. Wait, what? Syria used chemical weapons? Iraq was justified! Shock and awe baby!

Someone get an aircraft carrier. Somebody make a new sign. Call the liberal media... GWB, let's get you to the Ball, Cinderella!
 
2013-08-28 02:16:22 PM

HotWingConspiracy: We supposedly had detailed satellite images of everything they did, they even got Powell to go out there and tell us a bunch of vans were chemical weapons factories.

But somehow, there is no single shred of evidence available for the claim that they shipped "hundreds of tons" of WMD to Syria. That massive logistics effort was somehow the stealthiest thing.


Tens of thousands of mules with anthrax in their bottoms.
 
2013-08-28 02:16:38 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not clicking that link, but do they offer any proof of that assertion?


No, they assert things that are basically impossible to be true.    U.S. Intelligence agencies knew for years that Syria was capable of manufacturing chemical weapons, and had the facilities to do so.  If anything, Iraq made it harder to hold Syria accountable regarding WMDs.
 
2013-08-28 02:16:51 PM
So just where did Syria get its chemical WMD's from? Hint it rhymes with Biraq

upload.wikimedia.org


You mean Jacques Chirac?  Because the man was vital to Iraq's nuclear and chemical warfare programs.


This guy?  'Cause he helped a lot of countries in the region get weapons of mass destruction.
 
2013-08-28 02:16:54 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: We've had this discussion.


Yeah.  I remember you cheering for Bush Jr's war in Iraq.  For a while you were sure WMDs would be found.  Then you insisted they were moved to Syria. Or something.  Still beating that pathetic drum, eh?   That's the spirit, champ.  Never admit you're wrong. Never. Bush Jr. will reward your loyalty with a blowjob from Jenna someday, I'm sure.

DIdn't follow the link you just posted.  I'm assuming it went to this thread -  http://www.fark.com/comments/887162/Bush-checks-under-couch-joking-Th o se-weapons-of-mass-destructions-have-got-to-be-somewhere where you go over the entire list of now-known-to-be-lies WMD theories and misstatements (He used them on the Kurds so we know he has them!  They've been moved to Syria!  They're buried in the desert!).

/ladies and gentlemen, I give you D_I_A -- a decade of being 180o wrong and still going strong!
 
2013-08-28 02:16:58 PM
This completely justifies the decade long war in Iraq.

mrshowrules: Torgo_of_Manos: I am pretty sure that chemical weapons, specifically Sarin and VX, have a shelf life of just a couple years.  If, and its a big if, Saddam gave them to Syria, they are far past their effective date.

If you let that stuff expire, it become really nasty.


I will only drink it a couple days after expiration.
 
2013-08-28 02:17:14 PM
FTFA: "if the spent shells are found to possess Iraqi markings of manufacture"

Difficulty #1): Even if they do not possess "Iraqi markings of manufacture," Breitbart.com will claim they did.

Difficulty #2) If Iraqi WMD existed and had been moved to Syria, you would expect the Bush Administration to have...oh I don't know....said something about it to validate its effort and put pressure on Syria? Surely U.S. satellites could and would have tracked chemical transfers to such civilian planes.

Difficulty #3) We know that the invasion actually resulted in old chemical sites sealed by the UN inspectors to have been unsealed and raided in the immediate battle aftermath. So those who were advocating Desert Storm II: Invasion Boogaloo are already absolutely responsible for endangering future civilians who will be the target of such material, possibly in Syria.
 
2013-08-28 02:19:27 PM

monoski: And where did Iraq get them in the first place?


Training from the US, UK and later, Russia. (CIA link)
 
2013-08-28 02:20:04 PM

Kome: Barack? I bet it's Barack.


THANKS OBAMA.
 
2013-08-28 02:21:46 PM
 
2013-08-28 02:21:48 PM

Where, oh where, oh ghost of breitbart, could Syria's chemical weapons have come from?


Chemical Weapons

 Unconfirmed reports that first acquired small amounts of chemical weapons (Mustard and Sarin) from Egypt in 1973.

Acquired design for Soviet Scud warhead using VX in 1970s.

 May have acquired chemical bombs and warheads for Scud missiles in 1979-1982. Reports had VX agents as early as 1982 seem premature.

 Syria imports specialized glass ware, suitable for chemical weapons production, from Germany in 1983.

 The NTI reports that a U.S. Special National Intelligence Estimate (SNIE) issued on September 15, 1983, states that that Syria is "a major recipient of Soviet CW assistance, [and] probably has the most advanced chemical warfare capability in the Arab world, with the possible exception of Egypt. Both Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union provided the chemical agents, delivery systems, and training that flowed to Syria. As long as this support is forthcoming, there is no need for Syria to develop an indigenous capability to produce CW agents or materiel, and none has been identified." xxx

 Syria imports specialized glass ware, suitable for chemical weapons production, from Germany in 1983.

 Reports that began production of nonpersistent nerve gas surface in 1984. May have had chemical warheads for missiles as early as 1985. US intelligence sources confirm on a background basis that Syria has Sarin gas in 1986.

 The Nuclear Threat Initiative reports that,

 ―The Syrian CW program was established under the aegis of the Centre D'Etude et Recherché Scientifique (CERS), an ostensibly civilian research institute that appears to be responsible for all research, development, and production activities and facilities. Once the decision to proceed with a CW program had been made, it appears that the initial focus was the establishment of a facility for research and development, and possibly pilot production, in the Damascus area. This facility has continued to be used for CW-related research. Simultaneously, work commenced on the construction of larger dedicated CW production facilities. These plants in Al-Safira, Hama, and Homs all came online in the mid- to late 1980s. The first priority of the Syrian CW program was the production of sarin; initial, small-scale production appears to have started in 1984. Originally, this agent was to be carried by Syrian Air Force bombers, but this was an unreliable means of delivery given Israeli air superiority. Intense efforts were undertaken to provide a more dependable delivery system.

 By 1987, Syria was able to fit sarin-filled warheads, probably unitary rather than cluster, on some of its Scud missiles creating a limited long-range CW strike capability. Since that time, the focus of Syrian efforts has been on increasing the range and effectiveness of their strike capability by obtaining longer- range missiles from foreign suppliers such as North Korea and by improving the sophistication of the warheads. The fitting of bomblet-filled cluster warheads to Scud-C missiles after 1997 was a significant development that greatly increased the potential effectiveness of Syrian chemical weapons. Additionally, Syria has sought to increase the lethality of its force by developing V-agents. Syria has been researching this type of agent since the late 1980s. Throughout the 1990s, reports pointed to continuing work on V-agents but also suggested a lack of success...Following the successful weaponization of sarin in the 1980s, Syria turned to developing additional agents, most notably vesicants. Syria appears to have built up a stockpile of mustard and sarin for tactical uses in the 1990s. By the mid-1990s, the Syrian CW program seems to have reached a plateau in terms of capability and production. There is no current information conclusively suggesting that Syria is engaged in ongoing large-scale production and stockpiling of CW agents.

...Syria is currently believed to deploy between 100 and 200 Scud missiles fitted with sarin warheads. Some of these missiles may be fitted with V-agent warheads although this information is less reliable. In addition, Syria is believed to have stockpiled several hundred tons of sarin and mustard agents for tactical uses in the form of artillery shells and air-dropped munitions. Syria retains its production infrastructure of at least three and possibly four facilities; however, it is not known whether these are currently being used to produce new agent. Syria conducted one missile test in July 2001, which probably involved the use of a simulated chemical warhead.[5] Since that time, the CW program has maintained a very low profile.xxxi

 Reports in1986 that Syria is helping Iran acquire chemical weapons technology as part of its support of Iran in the Iran-Iraq War.

 In December 1986, then Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin tells the Israel Knesset that, "we are aware that Syria is armed with chemical weapons-artillery shells, bombs, and ground-to-ground missile warheads...including nerve gas." xxxii

 US intelligence officials testify to Congress in 1989 that Syria is stockpiling a variety of chemical weapons.

 Reports in 1990 that a classified DIA report states Syria has chemical munitions depots at Khan Abu Shamat and Furqlus, and that the primary chemical weapons development facility is the Centre D'Etude et Recherche Scientifique, near Damascus.

 In May 1992, Syria's Sema Ltd. Corporation obtains a 45-ton shipment of trimethyl phosphite, a the nerve gas precursor. Large German shipments of the same precursor are intercepted in July. Shipments of other precursors from Russia are detected in 1993. In October 1995Russia announces the investigation of Lt-Gen Anatoliy Kuntsevich for allowing illegal exports.

 Reports in June 1996 that a new major chemical weapons plant is under construction near Aleppo. Other facilities are reported in the general area of Damascus and Homs.

 Believed to have begun deploying VX in late 1996, early 1997.

 The CIA reported in June 1997 that Syria had acquired new chemical weapons technology from Russia and Eastern Europe in 1996.

 Unconfirmed reports in 1997 of sheltered Scud missiles with unitary sarin or tabun nerve gas warheads, now being replaced by cluster warheads with VX bomblets, deployed in caves and shelters near Damascus.

 Tested Scuds in manner indicating possible chemical warheads in 1996 and 1998, and possible cluster warhead in 20014 .

 Seems to have cluster warheads and bombs.

 May have VX and sarin in modified Soviet ZAB-incendiary bombs and PTAB-500 cluster bombs. Reports stated that a U.S. intelligence source had obtained information indicating a late October 1999 test of a live chemical bomb dropped by a Syrian MiG-23.xxxiii

 CIA estimates in January 1999 that Syria continued to seek CW-related precursors from various sources during the reporting period. Damascus already has a stockpile of the nerve agent sarin and may be trying to develop more toxic and persistent nerve agents. Syria remains dependent on foreign sources for key elements of its CW program, including precursor chemicals and key production equipment.

 The CIA stated that Chinese entities sought to supply Iran and Syria with CW-related chemicals during this reporting period.

 Convincing reports of covert imports of precursors in 2000 and 2003.

 In 2002-2006, a series of unclassified CIA reports confirms Syrian chemical weapons efforts in unclassified reports in 2003. A U S officials says on background that Syria may now have the largest inventory of chemical weapons in the world, but provide no details or comparisons with US, Russian, and Chinese programs. xxxiv

 On January 17, 2005, US officials deny there is valid intelligence that Iraqi chemical weapons were smuggled to Syria. The Iraq Survey Group report issued on April 27, 2005 is more ambiguous. It finds no evidence that such smuggling took place, but cannot exclude the possibility.xxxv

 Reports in 2005 that Iran will assist Syria in producing its own precursors for chemical weapons. Syria and Iran sign a new defense cooperation agreement on June 15, 2006.

Syria conducts two long-range (600-700 kilometer) Scud missile tests in May 2005. Some reports indicate that they had cluster warheads.

 U.S. Department of the Treasury designate three Syrian organizations -- the Higher Institute of Applied Science and Technology (HIAST), the Electronics Institute, and the National Standards and Calibration Laboratory (NSCL) - as involved in proliferation on January 5, 2007.

 Major nerve gas and possible other chemical agent production facilities north of Damascus. Two to three plants.

 One facility is located near Homs and is located next to a major petrochemical plant. It reportedly produces several hundred tons of nerve gas a year.

 Reports on the building of a new major plant at Safira, near Aleppo.

 Reports that a facility co-located with the CERS is developing a warhead with chemical bomblets for the Scud C.

 Many parts of the program are dispersed and compartmented. Missiles, rockets, bombs, and artillery shells are produced/modified and loaded in other facilities. Many may be modified to use VX bomblets.

 Wide range of delivery systems:

 Extensive testing of chemical warheads for Scud Bs. May have tested chemical warheads for Scud Cs. Recent tests include a July 2001 test of a Scud B near Aleppo and a May 1998 test of a Scud C with a VX warhead near Damascus.

 May have started production of extended range Scuds in 2002.

 Shells, bombs, and nerve gas warheads for multiple rocket launchers.  FROG warheads may be under development.

 Reports of SS-21 capability to deliver chemical weapons are not believed by U.S. or Israeli experts.

 Israeli sources believe Syria has binary weapons and cluster bomb technology suitable for delivering chemical weapons.

 Experts believe Syria has stockpiled 500 to 1,000 metric tons of chemical agents. Holdings thought to include persistent (VX) and nonpersistent nerve agents (sarin) as well as blister agents.


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2013-08-28 02:23:59 PM
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