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(Russia Today)   Who Knew? Turns out that using paralysis, intubation, and anal probes is a clear violation of a suspect's Fourth Amendment rights. The Police in Oak Ridge, Tennessee had no clue, say 'crack is wack'   (rt.com) divider line 92
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2013-08-28 11:22:53 AM
Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.
 
2013-08-28 11:24:37 AM
They already have jobs waiting for them with the TSA if this doesn't work out.
 
2013-08-28 11:24:41 AM
Oh. lawd, don't tell the TSA.
 
2013-08-28 11:25:39 AM
What are these "rights" people keep talking about.
 
2013-08-28 11:25:56 AM

netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.


This.

I watch RT America for comic relief.
 
2013-08-28 11:26:16 AM
Crack and anal probe in same lede. Well done.
 
2013-08-28 11:26:58 AM

funzyr: They already have jobs waiting for them with the TSA if this doesn't work out.


vudukungfu: Oh. lawd, don't tell the TSA.


Nicely done.
 
2013-08-28 11:28:37 AM
Pfffhhhtt....That's NOTHING

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-08-28 11:30:28 AM
Oh they knew. But like most conservatives they don't really believe in democracy or the constitution. They secretly envy the KGB and Chinese.
 
2013-08-28 11:30:43 AM
Uh, yeah.

Riiight.

Russia Today needs to be beaten with an oar, and I'm overwhelmingly willing to bet they left out a large amount of facts in this. By Anal Probe, they actually mean a sigmoidoscope or endoscope, and given the fact that what they found was a sympathomimetic body stuff, I'm going to go out there and say the guy started acting out of his head, and they chose to paralyze and intubate him to keep him from hurting himself or others, and to blunt the effects of the cocaine in his system.

Chances are, that actually saved his life until they could remove the source - i.e. the body pack.

On the other hand, I'm glad the court threw this out. All of the evidence was fruit of the poison tree to begin with.
 
2013-08-28 11:30:53 AM
Barney Fife: Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Memorize them until you can say them in your sleep. Rule number one: obey all rules. Rule number two: no writing on the walls.
 
2013-08-28 11:31:45 AM
Psssh, you can't give someone muscle relaxers and do stuff to their butt anymore? I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this was AMERICA!
 
2013-08-28 11:31:55 AM

gfid: netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.

This.

I watch RT America for comic relief.


Al Jazeera America is one channel away to Fox Business News on the local cable.

I keep waiting for the sound of TVs and flatscreens exploding.
 
2013-08-28 11:32:58 AM
Interesting that the Oak Ridge, TN, police wear the same uniforms as the Camden County, NJ police.
 
2013-08-28 11:34:15 AM
The suspect was booked for felony possession of marijuana and strip-searched at the police station. At that point investigators noticed Booker was "fidgeting" and a doctor threatened to temporarily paralyze him if he did not consent to an anal probe.
Booker, who was handcuffed and naked except for a thin hospital apron, consented but doctors later testified that he still "clenched" during the invasive search. He was injected with a muscle relaxant with a tube forced down his throat to regulate his breathing
.

Really - I'm shocked, shocked to hear that he "clenched" when strangers went poking around in his tuckus.
 
2013-08-28 11:35:34 AM
They booked Booker bogusly.
 
2013-08-28 11:36:01 AM

netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.


So because you can't dispute the truth of the article you slander the source. Gotcha. What'll right-wing apologists say next? I know: "What if the suspect had a pressure cooker up his butt!?!"

The cops and the doctor should be sued, barred for life from their respective fields, and publicly stocked and paddled repeatedly for at least a week. This shiat must cease.
 
2013-08-28 11:37:24 AM
I can already see the goons at Fox News throwing a f*cking fit about this, and DEMANDING that the 4th Amendment be voided and that everyone should be forcibly searched and probed against their will, no matter how minor the charge.

Men. Women. Yes even children. Ram it straight up their ass and add charges for Making a Disturbance as they lay there strapped down and screaming in agony.
 
2013-08-28 11:38:15 AM
Here's a non-RT link. Really surprised the Knoxville and Oak Ridge papers don't seem to have covered this, since they covered the trail so closely. Probably their legal reporter has been laid off in the two years since.
 
2013-08-28 11:38:44 AM

cefm: The suspect was booked for felony possession of marijuana and strip-searched at the police station. At that point investigators noticed Booker was "fidgeting" and a doctor threatened to temporarily paralyze him if he did not consent to an anal probe.
Booker, who was handcuffed and naked except for a thin hospital apron, consented but doctors later testified that he still "clenched" during the invasive search. He was injected with a muscle relaxant with a tube forced down his throat to regulate his breathing.

Really - I'm shocked, shocked to hear that he "clenched" when strangers went poking around in his tuckus.


The Doctor should have played a little Barry White, light some candles and poured him a glass of white wine, that usually works for me.
 
2013-08-28 11:38:57 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: What are these "rights" people keep talking about.


They're a legal fiction that you need to pay for if you want them.
 
2013-08-28 11:39:28 AM
The Doctor that did the procedure needs to have his license revoked for ethics violations
 
2013-08-28 11:40:26 AM

OtherLittleGuy: gfid: netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.

This.

I watch RT America for comic relief.

Al Jazeera America is one channel away to Fox Business News on the local cable.

I keep waiting for the sound of TVs and flatscreens exploding.


I still get AJE although I don't know for how long...They're still more informative than Fox.
 
2013-08-28 11:40:34 AM
Whatever happened to romance?  A little red wine, some smooth jazz on the turntable, maybe a few strategically placed candles and the lights turned down low...  And start slow, damnit.  Don't just storm the Bastille while shouting Liberté, égalité, fraternité!  Maybe then you might not have to worry about "clenching."
 
2013-08-28 11:43:35 AM

hardinparamedic: Uh, yeah.

Riiight.

Russia Today needs to be beaten with an oar, and I'm overwhelmingly willing to bet they left out a large amount of facts in this. By Anal Probe, they actually mean a sigmoidoscope or endoscope, and given the fact that what they found was a sympathomimetic body stuff, I'm going to go out there and say the guy started acting out of his head, and they chose to paralyze and intubate him to keep him from hurting himself or others, and to blunt the effects of the cocaine in his system.

Chances are, that actually saved his life until they could remove the source - i.e. the body pack.

On the other hand, I'm glad the court threw this out. All of the evidence was fruit of the poison tree to begin with.



So you don't like RT and have no additional data?  Because the court documents agree with the story and not you.
 
2013-08-28 11:44:09 AM
So was the doctor referred to the state medical board for unnecessary invasive procedures down without consent? Because he should. It's rather questionable whether he should have a medical license given his cavalier attitude towards patient consent. "Do no harm" indeed.
 
2013-08-28 11:44:50 AM
Giddy Up Oom Poppa Omm Poppa !
 
2013-08-28 11:45:10 AM
"What's wrong with a kiss, boy? Hmm? Why not start her off with a nice kiss? You don't have to go leaping straight for the clitoris like a bull at a gate. Give her a kiss, boy."
 
2013-08-28 11:45:43 AM
It's all part of the No Anus Left Behind program.
 
2013-08-28 11:47:48 AM

The_Eliminator: So was the doctor referred to the state medical board for unnecessary invasive procedures down without consent? Because he should. It's rather questionable whether he should have a medical license given his cavalier attitude towards patient consent. "Do no harm" indeed.


Also, the doc stated plainly that there were no signs and symptoms that warranted the manual search.  The defendant was completely approrpiate and oriented and refused the search.  The doc did it solely on behalf of the cops.  Additionally, there was no fear for the defendant's safety or emergent condition to be worried about and  as evidence of sech, there didn't even check his blood levels for drugs after finding what they did.
 
2013-08-28 11:48:51 AM
"Booker, who was handcuffed and naked except for a thin hospital apron, consented but doctors later testified that he still "clenched" during the invasive search. He was injected with a muscle relaxant with a tube forced down his throat to regulate his breathing. "

Protecting our Freedoms.
 
WGJ
2013-08-28 11:51:13 AM

mbillips: Here's a non-RT link. Really surprised the Knoxville and Oak Ridge papers don't seem to have covered this, since they covered the trail so closely. Probably their legal reporter has been laid off in the two years since.


The link said they were pulled over for expired tags. Do not drive a vehicle with expired tags if you have a five ounce rock of crack cocaine hidden in your rectum.
 
2013-08-28 11:54:35 AM

OtherLittleGuy: gfid: netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.

This.

I watch RT America for comic relief.

Al Jazeera America is one channel away to Fox Business News on the local cable.

I keep waiting for the sound of TVs and flatscreens exploding.


AJAM is tucked between H2 and ESPNU on ours, which is in a semirural suburb and a locus of redneckery. I am completely surprised that there has been zero hue and cry over it. I keep trolling the teatards that I work with over it, but no bites so far. I guess I'll have to try harder.
 
2013-08-28 11:58:08 AM

BafflerMeal: So you don't like RT and have no additional data?  Because the court documents agree with the story and not you.


I regard RT as reliable as much as I do Infowars, Pravada, The People's Republic of China News Agency, and the Syrian Government Press.

And if you'd like to link the documents where the police ordered him to be paralyzed and intubated, by all means do so.

On the other hand, I know If you come in with a suspected drug overdose - especially a sympathomimetic, the threshold to sedate/tube you is going to be rather low to begin with.  I've paralyzed and intubated crack overdoses and bodystuffers before. Early intubation and paralysis/sedation is life saving if they're symptomatic.

I also know that ER staff is not going to be nice to you. Don't like it? Don't shove crack rock up your ass.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I'm glad the case got thrown out. The guy should have never been taken into custody to begin with by their own policies and legal procedures.

In this case, EVEN IF he was blatantly guilty of a crime, the best scenario for society as a whole is to throw the verdict and case out the window. If the cops can't follow their own rules, why should this man - who in reality hurt no one other than himself - be expected to do the same?
 
2013-08-28 11:59:28 AM
sounds like an honest mistake/ subby's moms' house on a slow Tuesday afternoon.
 
2013-08-28 12:00:05 PM

BafflerMeal: Also, the doc stated plainly that there were no signs and symptoms that warranted the manual search.  The defendant was completely approrpiate and oriented and refused the search.  The doc did it solely on behalf of the cops.  Additionally, there was no fear for the defendant's safety or emergent condition to be worried about and  as evidence of sech, there didn't even check his blood levels for drugs after finding what they did.


I find it  very hard to believe that a doctor would put his license, employment, and livelihood on the line to paralyze someone and intubate them with no medical need, just because a cop says so, dude.

Again. Link the documents.
 
2013-08-28 12:00:17 PM
So yeah, RT is bad, but there are other sources:

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/286225/2/Court-Body-cavity-search-w as -shock-to-the-conscience
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/aug/15/judge-wont-toss-lawsuit-aga in st-doc-over-drug/


This just in: Illegal, farked up search is still illegal and  farked up no matter where it is reported.
 
2013-08-28 12:01:35 PM
Came for the Cartman reference.

I'm still not sure why there's a Camden County (NJ) policeman accompanying this article.
 
2013-08-28 12:02:51 PM

RyansPrivates: So yeah, RT is bad, but there are other sources:

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/286225/2/Court-Body-cavity-search-w as -shock-to-the-conscience
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/aug/15/judge-wont-toss-lawsuit-aga in st-doc-over-drug/


This just in: Illegal, farked up search is still illegal and  farked up no matter where it is reported.


24.media.tumblr.com

That second link.

I stand corrected.  BafflerMeal, I owe you an apology.

Holy shiat. He was completely normal and they paralyzed him. Wow. I'm surprised the Tennessee Medical Board isn't involved at this point.
 
2013-08-28 12:04:30 PM
The judges, as quoted by Think Progress, said a medical procedure of this sort does not "immunize the procedures from Fourth Amendment scrutiny" and that such cooperation between police and the doctor "is one of the greatest dignitary digitary intrusions that could flow from a medical procedure."
 
2013-08-28 12:04:39 PM
Cops and cop-doctors LIKE probing men's anuses, and if you couldn't tell that by looking at them, you didn't see their mustaches.
 
2013-08-28 12:06:21 PM
Leave the crack in and he dies?  You get sued.  Take the crack out and he lives?  You get sued.  It's a no win situation for everyone except the crack dealer.

/opinion was written by one of my law professors.
 
2013-08-28 12:08:51 PM

Cataholic: Leave the crack in and he dies?  You get sued.  Take the crack out and he lives?  You get sued.  It's a no win situation for everyone except the crack dealer.

/opinion was written by one of my law professors.


The link given by  RyansPrivates has far more information on the matter. That wasn't what happened. This guy apparently has a history of doing VERY unethical things to people with no medical need to do so.
 
2013-08-28 12:09:22 PM

netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.


The article is still correct and an actual story: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/feb/02/doctor-defends-cavity-search /
 
2013-08-28 12:14:10 PM

hardinparamedic: BafflerMeal: So you don't like RT and have no additional data?  Because the court documents agree with the story and not you.

I regard RT as reliable as much as I do Infowars, Pravada, The People's Republic of China News Agency, and the Syrian Government Press.

And if you'd like to link the documents where the police ordered him to be paralyzed and intubated, by all means do so.

On the other hand, I know If you come in with a suspected drug overdose - especially a sympathomimetic, the threshold to sedate/tube you is going to be rather low to begin with.  I've paralyzed and intubated crack overdoses and bodystuffers before. Early intubation and paralysis/sedation is life saving if they're symptomatic.

I also know that ER staff is not going to be nice to you. Don't like it? Don't shove crack rock up your ass.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I'm glad the case got thrown out. The guy should have never been taken into custody to begin with by their own policies and legal procedures.

In this case, EVEN IF he was blatantly guilty of a crime, the best scenario for society as a whole is to throw the verdict and case out the window. If the cops can't follow their own rules, why should this man - who in reality hurt no one other than himself - be expected to do the same?



Can't link the documents because I pay for them in the pacer system.  (Which anyone can do if they like)

"The Government insists Doctor "was acting for a medical purpose," and not to assist the officers in their investigation. "

"However, Doctor's actions plainly show his intent to search Mr. Booker's rectal cavity to assist law enforcement officers, no matter the risks. Doctor testified he conducted an initial assessment of Mr. Booker and determined "that his vital signs were normal and he was not in any immediate danger that I had to do something about." "

"Mr. Booker consistently denied having anything in his rectum. Given this medical determination by Doctor, his actions thereafter were based solely on officers' suspicions that Mr. Booker was concealing something."

"Mr. Booker had the right to decline the paralysis and intubation imposed on him by Doctor, who acted at the direction of the officers. Doctor had no right or duty to override Mr. Booker's decision absent a warrant, court order or appointment of a surrogate. The "duty" Doctor claimed to act under is fictional. "

"Doctor was unsuccessful in his first two digital searches of Mr. Booker's rectum and continued to pursue further actions against his "patient's" (Mr. Booker's) will to the extent of total paralysis, based on the officers' suspicions. "

"Doctor ignored Mr. Booker's refusals to allow the invasive search of his rectum, and ordered the nurse to administer drugs until Mr. Booker was completely paralyzed and unconscious, requiring intubation to keep him alive."

"Although less invasive procedures were available, Doctor employed complete paralysis in order to conduct the search of Mr. Booker's rectal cavity. The officers believed Doctor was acting under their authority, because they made no effort to stop the assault on Mr. Booker in their presence. "

"While Doctor monitored Mr. Booker's recovery from sedation and paralysis, Doctor did not conduct blood tests to determine whether any substance was absorbed through Mr. Booker's rectum, or whether there was a need for treatment. "
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There was no reason to search him or medical necessity to do anything.

The doctor acted because the officers wanted him to.
 
2013-08-28 12:15:41 PM

netweavr: Reminder: Russia Today is the Russian form of Fox News. Instead of being pro-America, Anti-World. They're Pro-Russia, Anti-World.


And this does not change any of the facts stated in the article.
 
2013-08-28 12:16:35 PM
UFOs to be pulled over and their extraterrestrial pilots held over night in a bistro followed by a severe tea drinking.
 
2013-08-28 12:18:03 PM
OK.  I don't want the police probing my rectum.

However, we do not actually have the right to have 10 grams of crack cocaine hidden in there.

When the police really suspect that someone has drugs in their ass, what exactly are they supposed to do?

I guess they could detain a person for 24 hours and see if anything passes.

I would probably consent to a rectal check before burning 24 hours in the pokey.

I'm not really supporting the cops/doctors here, but there is a part of me that actually thinks that was pretty solid police work.
 
2013-08-28 12:18:56 PM

Cataholic: Leave the crack in and he dies?  You get sued.  Take the crack out and he lives?  You get sued.  It's a no win situation for everyone except the crack dealer.

/opinion was written by one of my law professors.


did the opinion conveniently ignore the LEOs misdeeds as well?
 
2013-08-28 12:19:20 PM

BafflerMeal: "Doctor ignored Mr. Booker's refusals to allow the invasive search of his rectum, and ordered the nurse to administer drugs until Mr. Booker was completely paralyzed and unconscious, requiring intubation to keep him alive."


The doctor and nurse should lose their license to practice.

Snort: And this does not change any of the facts stated in the article.


Other than the fact that the article is written in the most misleading and inflammatory tone possible to use this as propaganda value. And RT is about as reliable as Infowars.
 
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