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(Scientific American)   Think you're an introvert? Maybe you're not but are really just a narcissist instead   (blogs.scientificamerican.com) divider line 77
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2013-08-28 12:15:35 PM
Scored a 76...
 
2013-08-28 12:16:43 PM
Oblig:
 
2013-08-28 12:18:22 PM

un4gvn666: Oblig:


Oops:
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2013-08-28 12:24:57 PM
"I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?
 
2013-08-28 12:26:27 PM

Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?


All I ever read is that, if you're afraid of rejection, you'll never find a date. Makes me glad I'm in a LTR, because dating sounds like it blows.
 
2013-08-28 12:36:16 PM
60.

Well this is one more health related issue to obsess over!
 
2013-08-28 12:40:26 PM
66.

I truly am different and unique however. For instance, I am undoubtedly the humblest person in the world. I've been told I'm one in a million, which means there are only about 7,000 people exactly like me.
 
2013-08-28 12:41:18 PM
Writer may not know the difference between a narcissist and an avoidant.
 
2013-08-28 12:42:55 PM

Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?


Yes, indeed there are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFWyseydTkQ

Come on. this is humanity we are talking about...no matter how weird a fetish, there is always someone out there doing it, usually more.
 
2013-08-28 12:45:12 PM

worlddan: Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?

Yes, indeed there are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFWyseydTkQ

Come on. this is humanity we are talking about...no matter how weird a fetish, there is always someone out there doing it, usually more.


As far as fetishes go having a rejection one would be pretty hilarious.

-"Hey I have this weird fetish will you help me out?"
+"No way, get lost creep"
-"Ohgodthankyou"
 
2013-08-28 12:46:24 PM
"I dislike being with a group unless I know that I am appreciated by at least one of those present."

Because only narcissists don't like hanging with a group of uninterested strangers?
 
2013-08-28 12:46:34 PM

Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?


I think they're called males.
 
2013-08-28 12:47:31 PM

clambam: 66.

I truly am different and unique however. For instance, I am undoubtedly the humblest person in the world. I've been told I'm one in a million, which means there are only about 7,000 people exactly like me.


My friend (who really is introverted) likes to joke that he really is one in a million because he's on his way to being a professional astronomer, and they're actually numbered in the thousands. It's also a two-fold joke, because the number is slightly less than "one in a million," but hey, you're within a magnitude...
 
2013-08-28 12:56:33 PM

LoneWolf343: Writer may not know the difference between a narcissist and an avoidant.


Seriously.  That word is being thrown around alot lately.   You will know a narcissist by the scorched Earth of emotionally scarred left behind her/him.  The selfish, thoughtless, self-centered person you see in selfies and fark memes is not a narcissist, just a lonely, competitive, or incomplete/unfulfilled person. - or as mentioned an avoidant or simply pathologically shy.
 
2013-08-28 12:57:27 PM
I avoid the media yet after posting on Fark;
check email regularly to see if anyone has commented on my post
review the thread to see if my post has been marked as Funny,
review the thread to see if my post has been marked  as smart.

You don't want me taking the test, I would wreck the curve.

Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "

Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?


Zero greens and still submitting.
 
2013-08-28 12:57:40 PM
damn! how many drugs do you have to take to be a narcissist?!
 
2013-08-28 01:06:08 PM

Carth: As far as fetishes go having a rejection one would be pretty hilarious.

-"Hey I have this weird fetish will you help me out?"
+"No way, get lost creep"
-"Ohgodthankyou"


LOL.

Scored a 53.
 
2013-08-28 01:12:48 PM
Uh oh.
 
2013-08-28 01:15:36 PM
I'm not a narcissist, just an INTJ.  My personality disorder of choice would be Schizotypal actually.
 
2013-08-28 01:16:17 PM
I got 86, yay me!!!

covert narcissistic.

Actually, not really dumbwriter. I'm just extremely shy and have very low self-esteem.
 
2013-08-28 01:23:11 PM
Jesus H Tapdancing Christ this article is like a point by point description of my ex.  Good god, it might as well be a case study.

/so glad to be out of that mess
//he "couldn't be friends" with women because he couldn't deal with the idea that he couldn't sleep with them if he got the urge
 
2013-08-28 01:23:38 PM
Is introvert the new self diagnosed as aspbergers?
 
2013-08-28 01:31:53 PM

Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?


I think the "at all costs" is rather relevant. I do not particularly enjoy rejection, but I'm not spiking drinks with drugs to avoid rejection either.

/I do that because it saves time
 
2013-08-28 01:35:40 PM
35

I thought my tendency to ignore people and what they think of me would be narcissistic, but it apparently means I don't care about rejection, sharing credit, etc.

The "I sometimes have violent fantasies and I don't know why" question kind of threw me.  My violent fantasies are complex enough to include the justification for the violence; I always know why.

Does that mean I need to increase my score on "I sometimes have thoughts that shock other people" question?
 
2013-08-28 01:36:24 PM

Dion Fortune: I'm not a narcissist, just an INTJ.  My personality disorder of choice would be Schizotypal actually.


Choice? I'd pick satyriasis or nymphomania; but no, I'm schizotypal.
 
2013-08-28 01:39:03 PM

un4gvn666: Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?

All I ever read is that, if you're afraid of rejection, you'll never find a date. Makes me glad I'm in a LTR, because dating sounds like it blows.


For me it's not so much "avoiding rejection" as "why bother asking a question when you already know the answer?"
 
2013-08-28 01:44:18 PM
In the 90s, psychologist Paul Wink analyzed a variety of narcissism scales and confirmed that there are indeed two distinct faces of narcissism, which they labeled "Grandiosity-Exhibitonism" and "Vulnerability-Sensitivity". He found that both shades of narcissism shared a common core of conceit, arrogance, and the tendency to give in to one's own needs and disregard others. But that's where the similarities ended.
While Grandiosity-Exhibitionism was associated with extraversion, aggressiveness, self-assuredness, and the need to be admired by others, Vulnerability-Sensitivity was associated with introversion, hypersensitivity, defensiveness, anxiety, and vulnerability.


I'm lucky enough to have BOTH of these types in my life!

#1 is my brother, and #2 is my mother-in-law. And both are textbook examples, in nearly every way.

I've often fantasized about locking them in a room with each other... it would be the ultimate torture for both of them.
 
2013-08-28 01:48:07 PM
The rule of thumb actually is: If you think everything is your fault, you're a neurotic introvert.  If you think everything is everybody else's fault, you're a narcissist.
 
2013-08-28 01:48:12 PM
I've spent four hours out of my apartment since Saturday.
 
2013-08-28 01:53:15 PM

highendmighty: LoneWolf343: Writer may not know the difference between a narcissist and an avoidant.

Seriously.  That word is being thrown around alot lately.   You will know a narcissist by the scorched Earth of emotionally scarred left behind her/him.  The selfish, thoughtless, self-centered person you see in selfies and fark memes is not a narcissist, just a lonely, competitive, or incomplete/unfulfilled person. - or as mentioned an avoidant or simply pathologically shy.


Yeah, I've seen what a narcissist can do first hand. Merely selfish people you actually recognize as being dicks, but you often won't see a narcissist for what they are until they've done enough damage that you can actually see past the charm and say anything line of BS.
 
2013-08-28 02:01:30 PM
_4.5__ I can become entirely absorbed in thinking about my personal affairs, my health, my cares or my relations to others.
Not entirely. But how could it not be nearly true for everyone?
_1.8__ My feelings are easily hurt by ridicule or the slighting remarks of others.
And be on FARK? Surely you jest. People here make slighting remarks for sport. And as far as ridicule, of course I have never been ridiculed on FARK. Far from it.
_1.2__ When I enter a room I often become self-conscious and feel that the eyes of others are upon me.
Self-conscious, maybe. Self-conscious AND feel that the eyes of others are upon me, no. I am pretty sure the eyes are NOT on me. I am pretty sure it is distance-dependent. Those close to me, probably. Those on the other side of the restaurant, not so much.
_2__ I dislike sharing the credit of an achievement with others.
It depends on whether they deserve it or not. I don't care if anyone gets the credit. But if someone is going to get the credit, then it should be the person(s) who deserves it.
csb
When I was in high school, our tennis team won state. They put up a sign with the names of the starters, plus one other dude who I don't remember ever playing a varsity match. And he definitely didn't play at state. I don't think he even played at regionals. I was like, wtf? This dude, too? Really? But as far as the other guys, I was totally cool with that because they were the varsity team.
/csb
__3_ I feel that I have enough on my hand without worrying about other people's troubles.
My hand? No, not my hands so much. If you had said HANDS, or even "plate", I would have gone 4 here. But you said hand.
__4_ I feel that I am temperamentally different from most people.
When I get angry, I leave, rather than huff and puff and break shiat. I think that alone makes me temperamentally different fro most people.
_2__ I often interpret the remarks of others in a personal way.
It depends on whether they address me by name. If it is a general statement, I will almost never take it as a remark directed at me in a personal way.
_2__ I easily become wrapped up in my own interests and forget the existence of others.
With the ceaseless radio-thumping, glass-packs, crying babies...uhm, not hardly.
_2__ I dislike being with a group unless I know that I am appreciated by at least one of those present.
No, I dislike being in groups even when one or more appreciates me.
__1.5_ I am secretly "put out" or annoyed when other people come to me with their troubles, asking me for their time and sympathy.
Time AND sympathy? I would go maybe 3 here if you said "or". But you said "and". I am not put out when people come to me asking me for their time...but please don't come to me seeking sympathy. I don't mind at all taking my time to help you out. But I still don't care about you.
__5_ I am jealous of good-looking people.
Hell yeah! I'd love to wreck some new wool every night like a Hasselhoff or an Alec Baldwin from 20 years ago. farking lucky bastards.
__2_ I tend to feel humiliated when criticized.
I've been criticized some. I've only felt humiliated once. So "tend"? No.
_1.25__ I wonder why other people aren't more appreciative of my good qualities.
God no. I wonder why people are so stupid. Until I read this question, I had never even considered other peoples appreciativeness levels of MY good qualities.
__4_ I tend to see other people as being either great or terrible.
Mostly because I tend to see other people as terrible.
_2__ I sometimes have fantasies about being violent without knowing why.
Oh no...I always know why.
__3_ I am especially sensitive to success and failure.
Gotta go neutral there because I don't know if it is talking about me personally. I am especially sensitive to failures in others because others are so farking stupid and making FAIL every day all day.
_1__ I have problems that nobody else seems to understand.
No, my problems are things like blown out cartilage in the left knee from a basketball injury. It's pretty easily understandable.
_3__ I try to avoid rejection at all costs.
Nah, I'll step up. The secret is in the numbers.
__3_ My secret thoughts, feelings, and actions would horrify some of my friends.
No more so than the thoughts, feelings, and actions that I make public.
_1__ I tend to become involved in relationships in which I alternately adore and despise the other person.
Positively wrong. I only despise one person, and let me tell you...it doesn't alternate to anything from there.
__2_ Even when I am in a group of friends, I often feel very alone and uneasy.
Uneasy, yes. Alone, no. The question reads "and".
_1.5__ I resent others who have what I lack.
Jealousy, not resentment. I only resent those who...you know the saying, they were born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple.
_1__ Defeat or disappointment usually shame or anger me, but I try not to show it.
I am shameless. And disappointment doesn't anger me. And, of course, I am undefeated!

53.75
 
2013-08-28 02:02:07 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: un4gvn666: Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?

All I ever read is that, if you're afraid of rejection, you'll never find a date. Makes me glad I'm in a LTR, because dating sounds like it blows.

For me it's not so much "avoiding rejection" as "why bother asking a question when you already know the answer?"


eh, you never really know who is going to be interested in you, at the end of the day you have to make the call whether or not you're really interested in them

back on topic, imo introversion is a reaction to persistent loneliness or detachment, it's the brain's way of figuring things out that don't have a direct connection with social status and getting laid... only by going through an introverted stage do people figure out their own shiat and move on basically, it's not necessarily something that defines a person 24/7/365
 
2013-08-28 02:03:04 PM

Dion Fortune: I'm not a narcissist, just an INTJ.  My personality disorder of choice would be Schizotypal actually.


i knew a INTJ once.  very good at counting the number of letters in a sentence, or steps it takes to walk a mile.  but, whoa boy!  did she have serious moral condemnation for certain numbers.  watch out number 4! your goose is cooked!

/ INTP
 
2013-08-28 02:05:24 PM

nuqneh: 35

I thought my tendency to ignore people and what they think of me would be narcissistic, but it apparently means I don't care about rejection, sharing credit, etc.

The "I sometimes have violent fantasies and I don't know why" question kind of threw me.  My violent fantasies are complex enough to include the justification for the violence; I always know why.

Does that mean I need to increase my score on "I sometimes have thoughts that shock other people" question?



Hey you scored a 35? I scored a 39! Let's be friends! We'll make rules and slogans. Then if we find someone who scored a 60 we can beat the crap out of them!

On the off chance my reference is obscure:  http://youtu.be/awr4xA_qJCE
 
2013-08-28 02:09:38 PM
52
 
2013-08-28 02:12:22 PM

MayoSlather: highendmighty: LoneWolf343: Writer may not know the difference between a narcissist and an avoidant.

Seriously.  That word is being thrown around alot lately.   You will know a narcissist by the scorched Earth of emotionally scarred left behind her/him.  The selfish, thoughtless, self-centered person you see in selfies and fark memes is not a narcissist, just a lonely, competitive, or incomplete/unfulfilled person. - or as mentioned an avoidant or simply pathologically shy.

Yeah, I've seen what a narcissist can do first hand. Merely selfish people you actually recognize as being dicks, but you often won't see a narcissist for what they are until they've done enough damage that you can actually see past the charm and say anything line of BS.


I've had contact with a couple of true narcissists myself. One actually said, after he was diagnosed, that "It just means he has a better perspective than anybody else."
 
2013-08-28 02:18:06 PM

LoneWolf343: MayoSlather: highendmighty: LoneWolf343: Writer may not know the difference between a narcissist and an avoidant.

Seriously.  That word is being thrown around alot lately.   You will know a narcissist by the scorched Earth of emotionally scarred left behind her/him.  The selfish, thoughtless, self-centered person you see in selfies and fark memes is not a narcissist, just a lonely, competitive, or incomplete/unfulfilled person. - or as mentioned an avoidant or simply pathologically shy.

Yeah, I've seen what a narcissist can do first hand. Merely selfish people you actually recognize as being dicks, but you often won't see a narcissist for what they are until they've done enough damage that you can actually see past the charm and say anything line of BS.

I've had contact with a couple of true narcissists myself. One actually said, after he was diagnosed, that "It just means he has a better perspective than anybody else."


Well his only options were either to see it as an aggrandizement of himself, or blame you for it. You actually got the better of the two.
 
2013-08-28 02:23:59 PM

Teknowaffle: Is introvert the new self diagnosed as aspbergers?


No, because introversion isn't a disorder like Aspergers. It just means that a person prefers isolation rather than social situations.
 
2013-08-28 02:28:11 PM

MayoSlather: LoneWolf343: MayoSlather: highendmighty: LoneWolf343: Writer may not know the difference between a narcissist and an avoidant.

Seriously.  That word is being thrown around alot lately.   You will know a narcissist by the scorched Earth of emotionally scarred left behind her/him.  The selfish, thoughtless, self-centered person you see in selfies and fark memes is not a narcissist, just a lonely, competitive, or incomplete/unfulfilled person. - or as mentioned an avoidant or simply pathologically shy.

Yeah, I've seen what a narcissist can do first hand. Merely selfish people you actually recognize as being dicks, but you often won't see a narcissist for what they are until they've done enough damage that you can actually see past the charm and say anything line of BS.

I've had contact with a couple of true narcissists myself. One actually said, after he was diagnosed, that "It just means he has a better perspective than anybody else."

Well his only options were either to see it as an aggrandizement of himself, or blame you for it. You actually got the better of the two.


Oh, he did that too. We were no longer friends at that point; I had enough of his self-destructive tenancies.
 
2013-08-28 02:29:03 PM

pute kisses like a man: Dion Fortune: I'm not a narcissist, just an INTJ.  My personality disorder of choice would be Schizotypal actually.

i knew a INTJ once.  very good at counting the number of letters in a sentence, or steps it takes to walk a mile.  but, whoa boy!  did she have serious moral condemnation for certain numbers.  watch out number 4! your goose is cooked!

/ INTP


Woah. If you'd said a male, and odd numbers, you'd be talking about me.
 
2013-08-28 02:38:17 PM
I'm a scorpio!
 
2013-08-28 02:41:56 PM

AdamK: Pants full of macaroni!!: un4gvn666: Carth: "I try to avoid rejection at all costs. "


Are there actually people who enjoy and seek out rejection?

All I ever read is that, if you're afraid of rejection, you'll never find a date. Makes me glad I'm in a LTR, because dating sounds like it blows.

For me it's not so much "avoiding rejection" as "why bother asking a question when you already know the answer?"

eh, you never really know who is going to be interested in you, at the end of the day you have to make the call whether or not you're really interested in them

back on topic, imo introversion is a reaction to persistent loneliness or detachment, it's the brain's way of figuring things out that don't have a direct connection with social status and getting laid... only by going through an introverted stage do people figure out their own shiat and move on basically, it's not necessarily something that defines a person 24/7/365


Introversion is also a consequence of being denied positive social interactions from an early age. Or, more simply put, children who were abused by family, and/or treated as a pariah by their peers.

I fit both those situations, and it is miracle in itself that i have any interaction with people at all, as rare as it may be. I've gotten counseling on and off for years trying to resolve those old feelings. I grew up believing everybody hated me. Worse yet, it was true.
 
2013-08-28 02:53:50 PM
53.

I'm still kinda shy and an introvert, but I'm getting over the shyness part.
 
2013-08-28 02:55:52 PM
I have no idea what all of these letters you people are posting mean.
 
2013-08-28 02:57:11 PM

Beeblebrox: I have no idea what all of these letters you people are posting mean.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator
 
2013-08-28 03:04:22 PM
I would bet you a good 10% of fark would score in the 80s or higher on that test. Hell, I know a few personally that fit that to a T.
 
2013-08-28 03:06:21 PM

Dion Fortune: I'm not a narcissist, just an INTJ.  My personality disorder of choice would be Schizotypal actually.


Also INTJ here, thought the article was a little bit of nonsense. From what I've read about narcissism, tacking "covert" onto it seems like a contradiction in terms. Maybe it's narcissistic of me to second guess a PhD?
 
2013-08-28 03:18:31 PM

Obbi: "I dislike being with a group unless I know that I am appreciated by at least one of those present."

Because only narcissists don't like hanging with a group of uninterested strangers?


I'm with you on that .  I scored a 53 total, but I gave myself 5 points for that one.
 
2013-08-28 03:40:24 PM
It's as if some narcissist psychologists got together a few months ago and tried to justify their behavior by saying everyone is a narcissist, and we're dealing with the fallout now.
 
2013-08-28 03:41:49 PM
I may be a narcissist, but that doesn't negate the fact that I am actually special and the rules other people have to follow don't apply to me.
 
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