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(Business Insider)   Startup founder hit by the same patent troll that hit Fark, calls Drew in for advice on how to destroy them   (businessinsider.com) divider line 63
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2013-08-28 11:22:49 AM
I love how "trolls" is in scare quotes throughout the entire article.
 
2013-08-28 11:23:59 AM
Good for Drew!
 
2013-08-28 11:24:31 AM
Horse head in their bed?
 
2013-08-28 11:24:36 AM
Who?
 
2013-08-28 11:28:34 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: I love how "trolls" is in scare quotes throughout the entire article.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Pay the troll toll!
 
2013-08-28 11:29:02 AM
Sunlight.
 
2013-08-28 11:30:21 AM
Dwarves. Lots of Dwarves
 
2013-08-28 11:32:08 AM
"It's one level above child molesting," Curtis says.

/golfclap
 
2013-08-28 11:35:12 AM
Read the articles about Newegg's battle. I'd start by hiring the same legal team they used.
 
2013-08-28 11:36:56 AM
Apparently Business Insider doesn't hire editors. Interesting article despite the broken writing.
 
2013-08-28 11:40:15 AM
We Don't Need People Like You (also from Dan M)
Many years back, when I was fresh out of school, I decided to apply for a job at the United Stated Patent and Trademark Office. The USPTO had started to grant patents on computer programs and, as such, was looking for Computer Science Patent Examiners.
After filling out the requisite stack of application paperwork, I was granted an interview. When I arrived for the interview, there was a small waiting room for candidates for the position. Half an hour later, my name was called and I entered the interviewer's office.
I sat there in silence for roughly 8 seconds until he turned the résumé around and pointed to the second line, "what is this?" he demanded, jabbing roughly at the education section.
"Uhh," I paused, wondering if I had misspelled my degree. "Umm.... Bachelor of Computer Science... Carnegie Mellon... School of Computer Sci-"
"That's what I thought" he said scornfully.
I blankly started. After a few moments I responded, "I'm sorry?"
"Do you have any idea what we do here, Dan?"
"Yes, I do", I stuttered, "you examine patent applications on a variety of systems and...whatnot. Right?"
"Exactly! We don't need people like you here," he said, tossing my résumé back at me. "We only accept Math and Engineering majors here!"
Obviously, my career aspirations at the USPTO died shortly after that. Though, after the experience, I tend not to be as surprised as others when we hear the latest story about somebody being granted a patent for "inventing" the scrollbar or something.

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Its-All-About-C,-The-CIA-Interview,- -N ot-People-Like-You.aspx
 
2013-08-28 11:40:39 AM

wombatoftruth: Apparently Business Insider doesn't hire editors. Interesting article despite the broken writing.


I think they were just quoting Drew directly.
 
2013-08-28 11:42:38 AM

Lars The Canadian Viking: We Don't Need People Like You (also from Dan M)
Many years back, when I was fresh out of school, I decided to apply for a job at the United Stated Patent and Trademark Office. The USPTO had started to grant patents on computer programs and, as such, was looking for Computer Science Patent Examiners.
After filling out the requisite stack of application paperwork, I was granted an interview. When I arrived for the interview, there was a small waiting room for candidates for the position. Half an hour later, my name was called and I entered the interviewer's office.
I sat there in silence for roughly 8 seconds until he turned the résumé around and pointed to the second line, "what is this?" he demanded, jabbing roughly at the education section.
"Uhh," I paused, wondering if I had misspelled my degree. "Umm.... Bachelor of Computer Science... Carnegie Mellon... School of Computer Sci-"
"That's what I thought" he said scornfully.
I blankly started. After a few moments I responded, "I'm sorry?"
"Do you have any idea what we do here, Dan?"
"Yes, I do", I stuttered, "you examine patent applications on a variety of systems and...whatnot. Right?"
"Exactly! We don't need people like you here," he said, tossing my résumé back at me. "We only accept Math and Engineering majors here!"
Obviously, my career aspirations at the USPTO died shortly after that. Though, after the experience, I tend not to be as surprised as others when we hear the latest story about somebody being granted a patent for "inventing" the scrollbar or something.

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Its-All-About-C,-The-CIA-Interview,- -N ot-People-Like-You.aspx


That story is true, but out of date. The PTO now hires CS majors.
 
2013-08-28 11:43:04 AM
murder for hire?
 
2013-08-28 11:46:51 AM
Zerg Rush?
 
2013-08-28 11:50:21 AM
Do no evil.

/crock
 
2013-08-28 11:51:52 AM
Kevin O' Connor, the founder of DoubleClick

I'm sure he was really hurting for advice.
 
2013-08-28 11:52:46 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: I love how "trolls" is in scare quotes throughout the entire article.


I kept thinking the same thing while reading it. It was starting to get annoying.
 
2013-08-28 11:53:31 AM
Is Drew going to wave his naughty bits at them again?
 
2013-08-28 11:54:07 AM
patent trolls are like the 2010s equivalent of cybersquatters but worse.
 
2013-08-28 11:54:48 AM
"It's one level above child molesting," Curtis says.

lol...wut?
 
2013-08-28 11:55:56 AM

Opacity: Read the articles about Newegg's battle. I'd start by hiring the same legal team they used.



My company, Rackspace, does not settle with patent trolls and is actively suing a couple.

Hell, our head attorney keeps a blog about it http://www.rackspace.com/blog/tag/patent-trolls/
 
2013-08-28 11:59:34 AM
I'm sure this is going to look like a plug, but who the hell cares...

I actually *forgot* the name of this site...  http://www.findthebest.com/

which is the new startup this guy created.

It's pretty freaking awesome actually, check it out... I've been trying to remember the name for weeks now, but every time I google "buy the best" instead and end up with BestBuy ads.

The site is worth the click.
 
2013-08-28 12:00:37 PM

Cormee: "It's one level above child molesting," Curtis says.

lol...wut?


Greatest quote well not ever but of today at least, maybe even the month.  These trolls and the attorneys who represent them need to be made to worry about suffering some serious monetary damage for these suits, even if it just their own costs.
 
2013-08-28 12:02:21 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: I love how "trolls" is in scare quotes throughout the entire article.


It's done for liability purposes.  Without the quotes, it could be libel.

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-28 12:03:37 PM

interstellar_tedium: Cormee: "It's one level above child molesting," Curtis says.

lol...wut?

Greatest quote well not ever but of today at least, maybe even the month.  These trolls and the attorneys who represent them need to be made to worry about suffering some serious monetary

skeletal and organ damage for these suits, even if it just their own costs.

FTFY
 
2013-08-28 12:14:00 PM
I didn't read anywhere about Drew being called in for advice.  I just saw he was mentioned because he actually fought back and won and drew offered up advice?  maybe it's just me...
 
2013-08-28 12:14:03 PM
What we need is a federal law that simply states that one cannot sue for patent infringement in any area you are not directly participating in.

Trying to sue for patent infringement on a cell phone?  Do you actively make cell phones?  No?  Then you have no right to sue, case dismissed.
 
2013-08-28 12:18:56 PM

Edymnion: What we need is a federal law that simply states that one cannot sue for patent infringement in any area you are not directly participating in.


What does it mean to directly participate in an area? Manufacture product? Research product and license to other manufacturers? Design products and send the designs to overseas manufacturers?

Trying to sue for patent infringement on a cell phone?  Do you actively make cell phones?  No?  Then you have no right to sue, case dismissed.

So, universities that do research and license the inventions out to manufacturers have no right to sue? Or what about the guy who comes up with a flying car in his garage, but needs capital before he can build it? While he's trying to get investors, they can steal the idea and he has no right to sue?

The problem is that many proposals that target trolls are too broad and also target research institutions, non-profits, individuals, etc.
 
2013-08-28 12:19:31 PM

Theaetetus: That story is true, but out of date. The PTO now hires CS majors.


You wouldn't know it by the things that are not obvious to them.  Or maybe they keep the CS majors away from the CS IP submissions.

But then if I'm not mistaken you're involved with the patent industry yourself.  Bad patent grants are like manna from heaven for a patent lawyer.
 
2013-08-28 12:20:09 PM

interstellar_tedium: These trolls and the attorneys who represent them need to be made to worry about suffering some serious monetary damage for these suits, even if it just their own costs.


They do... If they lose, their expenses are out of pocket. It's why trolls really hate to go to court, and would much rather get a license, even if it's at a lower royalty than a jury would set.
 
2013-08-28 12:24:10 PM

SuperNinjaToad: patent trolls are like the 2010s equivalent of cybersquatters but worse.




Never got the hate for that. It's like real estate.
 
2013-08-28 12:25:11 PM
2X4 to the back of the head comes to mind.
 
2013-08-28 12:30:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Theaetetus: That story is true, but out of date. The PTO now hires CS majors.

You wouldn't know it by the things that are not obvious to them.

Or maybe they keep the CS majors away from the CS IP submissions.

Nah, they're involved. Maybe it's that you don't understand their job?
"Obvious" is a legal conclusion, like "guilty". While you may be fine with looking at someone and determining they're guilty based on your gut feeling, the system requires evidence. If you can't provide evidence to prove that something is obvious, then your hindsight-based gut feelings are irrelevant.

So, yeah, they can be excellent programmers and look at a patent application and say, "this is stupid obvious, wtf," but if they can't prove it with one or more pieces of prior art that teach what's claimed, then they haven't really supported their conclusion, and the PTO can't reject the patent application.

But then if I'm not mistaken you're involved with the patent industry yourself.  Bad patent grants are like manna from heaven for a patent lawyer.

Not at all. Maybe it's because I'm not a litigator, but many of them are not actually patent attorneys either. I'd much rather see a good, strong patent, because that's a valuable asset that can be licensed, sold, or otherwise leveraged. My applications are works of art, clear and descriptive, with helpful flow charts, examples, etc. My clients get calls  requestinglicenses, because the patents are so good.  For example, I frequently call Examiners to help direct them to the best prior art, because a patent granted over shiat art is useless to me, will be difficult to license, and will potentially result in reexaminations or litigation.

Of course, you're thinking that if they go to court, the lawyers will make tons of money and so we really want to spend years tied up in litigation. But that's just silly and shortsighted - companies have legal budgets that tend to be pretty fixed, if the company wants to stay afloat. So, from a pure income standpoint, it's irrelevant to me whether they're hiring my firm to sue people or hiring my firm to draft and prosecute patents... and since the latter makes them more money with lower risk, I get happier clients with good patents than I ever could with bad ones.
 
2013-08-28 12:31:07 PM
static5.businessinsider.com
I just like this picture.
 
2013-08-28 12:31:38 PM
For comparison, would you say that poorly worded contracts are manna from Heaven to a contract lawyer? Sure they are, if you don't want your clients ever hiring you again.
 
2013-08-28 12:36:45 PM
I've found that, historically, the best way to deal with extortionists is simply to erase them.  Extortion is a violent crime.
 
2013-08-28 12:37:32 PM

Opacity: Read the articles about Newegg's battle. I'd start by hiring the same legal team they used.


Are you saying that patent trolls (lawyers) are leveraging patent law (written by lawyers for lawyers) to create a make-work market for other lawyers?

Say it ain't so.
 
2013-08-28 12:44:09 PM
Maybe we can just carpet bomb the patent trolls?  Or is that patented, too?
 
2013-08-28 01:29:09 PM
I patented the idea of using keys on a board to type, so you all owe me 50 cents
 
2013-08-28 01:33:21 PM

xanadian: Maybe we can just carpet bomb the patent trolls?  Or is that patented, too?


Previous art, ref  Three Billy Goats Gruff
 
2013-08-28 01:42:42 PM

AmazinTim: Kevin O' Connor, the founder of DoubleClick

I'm sure he was really hurting for advice.


Yeah, one of my thoughts was "DoubleClick? Really? After all the invasive advertising crap they had sniff from half of the computers on the planet?" I guess I should feel more supportive to the cause of battling the trolls but this guy, even though he's since sold it to Google, of all people, its difficult to get behind. It's almost like....karma.
 
2013-08-28 01:45:50 PM
Drew should have told them to propose a settlement of "jack squat and go fark  yourself".
 
2013-08-28 02:01:45 PM

Jacobin: I patented the idea of using keys on a board to type, so you all owe me 50 cents


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hpronline.org

Done and done. Though you didn't say how many 50 cents you wanted. I hope 3 is enough.

/BTW, I patented a system for viewing no talent ass-clows over the internet. You owe me a dollar. Each.
 
2013-08-28 02:06:41 PM
MythDragon:
/BTW, I patented a system for viewing no talent ass-clows over the internet. You owe me a dollar. Each.

What's a clow?
 
2013-08-28 02:07:44 PM
Are they building a beer shaped beacon to call Drew to the aid of all startups bullied by patent trolls?
 
2013-08-28 02:09:46 PM
WOAH! What does Drew know about child molesting?

*hmmm?
 
2013-08-28 02:17:07 PM

Theaetetus: MythDragon:
/BTW, I patented a system for viewing no talent ass-clows over the internet. You owe me a dollar. Each.

What's a clow?


img266.imageshack.us
 
2013-08-28 02:24:45 PM

StoPPeRmobile: SuperNinjaToad: patent trolls are like the 2010s equivalent of cybersquatters but worse.

Never got the hate for that. It's like real estate.


If real estate was virtually free on a first come/first serve basis then, yes it was just like real estate.
 
2013-08-28 02:36:21 PM

Snarfangel: Theaetetus: MythDragon:
/BTW, I patented a system for viewing no talent ass-clows over the internet. You owe me a dollar. Each.

What's a clow?

[448x988 from http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6897/animebackingrh6.jpg image 448x988]


/golfclap

Well played sir.
 
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