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GBB
2013-08-28 10:53:19 AM  

Highroller48: GBB: [662x516 from http://www.jonco48.com/blog/deram.jpg image 662x516]

Obvious photoshop is obvious.


Was it the pixels?
I bet it was the pixels.
 
2013-08-28 10:53:40 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: He knew that his life would most likely be cut tragically short, in fact, he mentioned it almost prophetically in his final speech. If you're a poor, black widow living during that time, it's going to be very, very rough on you, and he made sure that his family was supported by his work. I have nothing but respect for that decision.

It was copyrighted after his death.

You didn't even read the article, did you: "A few months after King delivered the speech, he sent a copy of the address to the U.S. Copyright office and listed the remarks as a "work not reproduced for sale." "


Not according to every other source I've looked at.
 
2013-08-28 10:54:12 AM  

Frank N Stein: INeedAName: Frank N Stein: INeedAName: Frank N Stein: INeedAName: Frank N Stein: LBJ's war on poverty. Out of marriage births have been on the rise since the 60s.

Are you suggesting that welfare is to blame here? At the time LBJ gave that speech, the poverty rate was 19%, it currently sits at 16%.

And the poor access to contraceptives in a religiously conservative society has a lot to do with births. If the public school system was able to teach prevention and distribute condoms, I would wager much of that would be on the decline.

We weren't talking about poverty. We were talking about the crippling of the black family structure, as you put it.

And you suggested the 'war on poverty' as a root cause. If you're going to suggest a cause, shouldn't we talk about it?

Sure, we can talk about it. Ask away. But first I'd like you to admit that your theory is total bullocks on the grounds that the trouble with black family structure clearly began decades earlier than what you claimed "led" to its "shattering."

I find it interesting that you have offered nothing in the way of actual discussion of the issue. You've thrown out two phrases and then told me I was wrong. Especially as I didn't claim mandatory sentencing was the only cause of deterioration amongst the black family structure, but it's cool.

You talked about mandatory sentancing for crack, then said "This lead to a crippling of the black family structure (which was once extremely strong, as noted by the number of black youths being raised by grandparents) and a weakening of the community."

You can't lie when everyone can read your comments in the same farkig thread.
And no, you didn't explicitly state "this is not the only cause", but you did say that the sentancing rules directly lead to the state of black families.

Stop back peddling.


Absolutely, and I stand by that statement.

5 grams of crack got you a minimum of 5 years. You needed 500 grams of cocaine to receive a similar sentence. The prevalence of crack in the black/urban environment landed many young black men in prison.

The significant change in the family structure lead to a lot of single parent homes. Statics show boys growing up in homes with just a mother, do far worse academically. Do poorly academically, and your chances for getting gainful employment decline sharply.
 
2013-08-28 10:54:21 AM  
So, do you think that people were made to pay royalties when they used MLK's likeness in the hoodie and on the mural of Zimmerman executing Trayvon? Because if not the family is just racist race baiters like Jesse and Al. Just curious.
 
2013-08-28 10:54:30 AM  

MythDragon: Since 1963, King and, posthumously, his estate have strictly enforced control over use of that speech and King's likeness

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"Will ya'll nubians PLEASE shut up?
Is this it?
Is this what I got all those ass-whoopin's for?
I had a dream once.
It was a dream that all the little black boys and little black girls would drink from the river of prosperity,
Freed from the thirst of oppression.
But low and behold, some four decades later,
What have I found but a but a bunch of trifling,
Shiftless, good-for-nothing nubians.
And I know some of you don't want to hear me say that word:
It's the ugliest word in the English language.
But that is what I see now: nubians.
And you don't want to be a nubian because nubians are living contradictions.
nubians are full of unfulfilled ambitions;
nubians wax and wane, nubians love to complain;
nubians love to hear themselves talk, but hate to explain.
nubians love being another man's judge and jury,
nubians procrastinate till it's time to worry.
nubians love to be late, nubians hate to hurry....
Black Entertainment Television is the worst thing i've seen in my life!
...Usher, Michael Jackson is not a genre of music!...
I've seen what's around the corner,
I've seen what's over the horizon, and I promise you,
You nubians have nothing to celebrate."


You missed the best line:

"now for a few words about SOUL PLANE" . . .
 
2013-08-28 10:55:56 AM  
Take a look at this:

http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/theme/730

I have a copy of the LP that resulted from this negotiation, and this was done when MLK was alive.  And yes, you can still get one.  I bought mine new, less than a decade ago.

http://www.amazon.com/Great-March-Washington-LP-VINYL/dp/B000WNOWEA
 
2013-08-28 10:56:49 AM  

KimNorth: Money was raised to build the statue of MLK on the National Monument and they were all ready to go, had raised enough money. Then here comes the family demanding their cut. The family had already been paid over $700,000 thousand since 2003 from the non profit forpermission to use MLK'simage and words. The family now wanted $800 thousand more or they would stop the project. I don't know if they ever got it. Maybe they did somehow and that is why they had to outsource the project to China.... :)


This is so farking retard and wrong, I don't know where to start.
I'll go with, you can obviously count to potato.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-28 10:57:20 AM  

Mugato: Not according to every other source I've looked at.


How about this? It says right there in the facts of the case:

"On September 30, 1963, approximately one month after the delivery of the Speech, Dr. King took
steps to secure federal copyright protection for theSpeech under the Copyright Act of 1909, and a certificateof registration of his claim to copyright was issuedby the Copyright Office on October 2, 1963.  "

What are all these mysterious sources that you "researched" in your studious efforts to learn more about Dr. King?
 
2013-08-28 10:59:06 AM  
King may have been a good guy, but his family are scuzzbuckets.
 
2013-08-28 10:59:49 AM  

Mugato: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: He knew that his life would most likely be cut tragically short, in fact, he mentioned it almost prophetically in his final speech. If you're a poor, black widow living during that time, it's going to be very, very rough on you, and he made sure that his family was supported by his work. I have nothing but respect for that decision.

It was copyrighted after his death.

You didn't even read the article, did you: "A few months after King delivered the speech, he sent a copy of the address to the U.S. Copyright office and listed the remarks as a "work not reproduced for sale." "

Not according to every other source I've looked at.


That is also irrelevant.  Copyright protection is intrinsic, it doesn't need to be filed like a patent.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html
When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1,Copyright Basics, section "."
 
2013-08-28 11:00:35 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: Just curious, how many other speeches have been copyrighted with families making money off of them? Honest question.

I heard an NPR interview with a Churchill biographer a while back. Apparently, he had to pay for every quote he used from one of Churchill's speeches, even though they were given as part of his public position.


That is different Churchill is white and according the posts in this thread black people getting paid for one of the most important speaches in the history of this country is some sort of travesty or rip off.
 
2013-08-28 11:00:48 AM  

jso2897: Witty


Where did I say racism was over? I'll put it simply, dude: it's not. It's so prevalent you think I'm white without knowing, in fact.
 
2013-08-28 11:03:58 AM  

KidneyStone: WhoopAssWayne: Protip: Don't take the subway to the memorial in Atlanta if you're white. Just.....don't.

I take MARTA all the time since they ruled it's OK to carry on their trains.


We tried in Oklahoma to get carry on transit encoded in law, but it died this past session in committee.
 
2013-08-28 11:04:12 AM  

jso2897: Witty


In fact, I'm saying the complete OPPOSITE. It's DEEPLY entrenched in our culture, so much so that it causes us to see race first, and humanity second. Only education can change that. I'm have yet to say anything about "racism", or "white guilt" or anything along those derpy lines. It runs deep enough that you've missed everything I've said, and just called me a racist. Again, further perpetuating the problem. I have no idea where you get off calling me the "descendant" of a slaver, either. Quite frankly, that's very presumptive and rude.
 
2013-08-28 11:04:35 AM  
I am late to this thread...


My assumption is the reason MLK Jr. didn't want it released is because of possible plagiarism issues.

/not trolling
//plagiarism was a fact
 
2013-08-28 11:09:09 AM  

monoski: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mugato: Just curious, how many other speeches have been copyrighted with families making money off of them? Honest question.

I heard an NPR interview with a Churchill biographer a while back. Apparently, he had to pay for every quote he used from one of Churchill's speeches, even though they were given as part of his public position.

That is different Churchill is white and according the posts in this thread black people getting paid for one of the most important speaches in the history of this country is some sort of travesty or rip off.



On top of this Churchill was a politician, so there is an argument that his speeches are more likely to be public domain.

But yeah, obviously this is about a black family "being all greedy and buying rims". God forbid that companies use his speech for free. Now, if King's family were saints they would collect the royalties and donate to charity but I don't think anyone in our society has a leg to stand on for that argument.  I can also argue that making a few bucks off of King's work is a pretty shiatty form of compensation for having your grandfather murdered for trying to spread equality.

I don't even particularly like my grandfather, and I wouldn't trade a large sum of money for his death.
 
2013-08-28 11:13:35 AM  

asynchron: I see we've got some people railing on his family for what's perceived as greed... not gonna touch that one. I was more weirded out that he himself was the one who essentially applied for the copyright, very shortly after delivering the speech. I'm not sure how to feel about that...


Yeah, I'm very surprised by that.  I would like to watch/listen to the speech in full.  Think the last time I saw it in it's entirety was in elementary school and I was still a little bit too young to fully absorb all of it.
 
2013-08-28 11:14:11 AM  
So the King family is being very nubianrdly?
 
2013-08-28 11:16:22 AM  
They're greedy, how shocking.
 
GBB
2013-08-28 11:16:53 AM  

INeedAName: GBB: INeedAName: MugzyBrown: The real tragedy is that rather than people not be judged by the color of their skin, the US has become hyper race sensitive instead, where everybody's words and actions can be parsed and viewed through the 'is this racist' prism.

Black people and white people are often afraid of talking politics or current events because so often they're painted as black vs white

It's all very sad really.

Statements like this are most often made by people who have no understanding of the current racial situation in America and can't understand why people won't just 'let it go.' There is a massive chunk of the American population that is under represented politically, economically, and socially - but let's all pretend that has nothing to do with their race, and the social uphill battle they've been fighting for years.

People look for racism because, while it may not be rampant and overt in this country the way it was 50 years ago, it is still very much a part of some people's live. I'm sorry if that's hard for you to accept, but just because you don't experience, that's no reason to believe it doesn't exist.

Which is to Mugzy's point.  "there is a massive chunk of the American population that is under-represented politically, economically, and socially".  But, "Black people and white people are often afraid of talking politics or current events because so often they're painted as black vs white ", so they don't talk about it.  Which is how they become under-represented.

Right. Not talking about things is how they have become under represented. You either know very little about the current American environment for black people, the current financial/educational systems in America, or both.

When laws were passed to enact mandatory sentencing for crack cocaine (which more black people had access to) at a significantly larger rate that powdered cocaine (more of a white person's drug) than large portions of young black men ended up in prison for statis ...


And why isn't this being addressed?
Because "Black people and white people are often afraid of talking politics or current events because so often they're painted as black vs white". Which is still Mugzy's point.  Crack vs cocaine is a black vs white issue when it comes to the difference in sentencing for essentially the same thing.

I'm not disagreeing with you on your points, I'm simply pointing out that you are actually in-line with MugzyBrown even though you seem to think he doesn't understand the political and racial environment.
 
2013-08-28 11:19:58 AM  

jso2897: Witty Comment: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I never said I was ignoring them. They go in gray 4, with a tag. Lots of people on fark tag posters to remind them who certain people are. And I've been contributing to the conversation, only to be told I'm full of "white guilt" for thinking that Martin Luther King Jr.'s family has the right to make money from his creative works the same way that Walt Disney's family continues to profit from his.

Are you chastising the idiot that said that? No. It's a huge double standard. It's okay to be racist, but the people who point out that other people are racist are the real problem. Because racists are such delicate little flowers or something.

No, I'm not. I'm chastising you. Why are you trying to deflect onto another person? Furthermore, why are you trying to give the impression that I'm saying it's okay to be racist? Even beyond that, where did you GET that impression? You need to EDUCATE people to change their minds, it's the only way. You're pointing fingers and screaming racist.

And I hope you recognize the irony of classifying people who you judge to be judgmental of another persons color of skin by designating them a color and marginalizing them.

I will put it to you bluntly, and simply - so that even a child can understand: The descendants of the enslavers don't get to tell the descendents of the enslaved when racism is "over".
As a white person, I am more than content with the privilege I have inherited in America, and I respect it's cost. I suggest you adopt the same philosophy. We got born on third base, dude - we didn't hit no triple. Act and react accordingly.


Oh, fark off you asshat!
 
2013-08-28 11:22:34 AM  

specialkae: Yeah, I'm very surprised by that. I would like to watch/listen to the speech in full. Think the last time I saw it in it's entirety was in elementary school and I was still a little bit too young to fully absorb all of it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smEqnnklfYs

You're welcome.
 
2013-08-28 11:23:25 AM  

jso2897: Witty Comment: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I never said I was ignoring them. They go in gray 4, with a tag. Lots of people on fark tag posters to remind them who certain people are. And I've been contributing to the conversation, only to be told I'm full of "white guilt" for thinking that Martin Luther King Jr.'s family has the right to make money from his creative works the same way that Walt Disney's family continues to profit from his.

Are you chastising the idiot that said that? No. It's a huge double standard. It's okay to be racist, but the people who point out that other people are racist are the real problem. Because racists are such delicate little flowers or something.

No, I'm not. I'm chastising you. Why are you trying to deflect onto another person? Furthermore, why are you trying to give the impression that I'm saying it's okay to be racist? Even beyond that, where did you GET that impression? You need to EDUCATE people to change their minds, it's the only way. You're pointing fingers and screaming racist.

And I hope you recognize the irony of classifying people who you judge to be judgmental of another persons color of skin by designating them a color and marginalizing them.

I will put it to you bluntly, and simply - so that even a child can understand: The descendants of the enslavers don't get to tell the descendents of the enslaved when racism is "over".
As a white person, I am more than content with the privilege I have inherited in America, and I respect it's cost. I suggest you adopt the same philosophy. We got born on third base, dude - we didn't hit no triple. Act and react accordingly.


And for those white people in America not born on third base.

"Meh - she should give up on the hillbillies, and let them have their lard sammiches and moonpies.
Kill 'em quicker, and cleanse the gene pool."
 
2013-08-28 11:26:08 AM  

jso2897: Witty Comment: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I never said I was ignoring them. They go in gray 4, with a tag. Lots of people on fark tag posters to remind them who certain people are. And I've been contributing to the conversation, only to be told I'm full of "white guilt" for thinking that Martin Luther King Jr.'s family has the right to make money from his creative works the same way that Walt Disney's family continues to profit from his.

Are you chastising the idiot that said that? No. It's a huge double standard. It's okay to be racist, but the people who point out that other people are racist are the real problem. Because racists are such delicate little flowers or something.

No, I'm not. I'm chastising you. Why are you trying to deflect onto another person? Furthermore, why are you trying to give the impression that I'm saying it's okay to be racist? Even beyond that, where did you GET that impression? You need to EDUCATE people to change their minds, it's the only way. You're pointing fingers and screaming racist.

And I hope you recognize the irony of classifying people who you judge to be judgmental of another persons color of skin by designating them a color and marginalizing them.

I will put it to you bluntly, and simply - so that even a child can understand: The descendants of the enslavers don't get to tell the descendents of the enslaved when racism is "over".
As a white person, I am more than content with the privilege I have inherited in America, and I respect it's cost. I suggest you adopt the same philosophy. We got born on third base, dude - we didn't hit no triple. Act and react accordingly.


You sound so lame. Many whites were not even in the U.S. and came here to escape their own horror, so just stop.
 
2013-08-28 11:27:58 AM  
cdn.stereogum.com

King would be proud
 
2013-08-28 11:29:45 AM  
I was wondering which MLK thread all the Republicans would choose to post in.

guess I found it
 
2013-08-28 11:36:28 AM  
Mel Gibson - "Everything's illegal in Massachusetts"
 
2013-08-28 11:39:54 AM  

fireclown: I did that about five years ago, and I'm white as snow.  No problems.  Has it gotten worse?


I did it three years ago and it was very uncomfortable. We'll be taking a cab next time, and that's a shame. This memorial needs to be accessible to everyone.
 
2013-08-28 11:40:13 AM  

TheNewJesus: I was wondering which MLK thread all the Republicans would choose to post in.

guess I found it


And labeling others as something you detest and view as stupid and trying to marginalize them makes you what, exactly?

By the way, I've never voted for, nor would I vote for, a Republican candidate. Or Libertarian, or whatever Third Party you're going to try and use to make this an "us vs. them" argument.. it's pretty telling of YOUR political viewpoint and motivation that you jumped to a "left v. right" conclusion. Guess what? The Democratic party is paid for by the same interests the Republican party is. They're JUST as bad.
 
2013-08-28 11:41:24 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: [608x650 from http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2012/10/Lil-Wayne1-608x650.jpg image 608x650]

King would be proud


They've come so far!
 
2013-08-28 11:48:44 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: [608x650 from http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2012/10/Lil-Wayne1-608x650.jpg image 608x650]

King would be proud


i.imgur.com

You're really proud of this, right...?
 
2013-08-28 12:06:52 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ThatDarkFellow: [608x650 from http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2012/10/Lil-Wayne1-608x650.jpg image 608x650]

King would be proud

[540x720 from http://i.imgur.com/KU4Lh0c.jpg image 540x720]

You're really proud of this, right...?


Of course not.  That kid is wearing Redskins colors.
 
2013-08-28 12:16:13 PM  

fireclown: Of course not. That kid is wearing Redskins colors.


voices.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-08-28 12:22:10 PM  

gonegirl: Meh.  Every so often, there's whiny outrage over MLK's family establishing their legal rights.  This right allows them to, for example, make sure that his likeness doesn't end up being used to sell Coca-Cola.  Or beer.  I think this is good.

And they want money for his words to be used.  You know what?  After decades of this country's commercial media completely farking over black citizens - where'd you get those songs from, Elvis? - I find it hard to care about one black man's family demanding to be paid for the things he created.


If you give a public presentation in a public venue you have no reasonable expectation that somebody won't be able to record your words and replay them.
 
2013-08-28 12:22:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ThatDarkFellow: [608x650 from http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2012/10/Lil-Wayne1-608x650.jpg image 608x650]

King would be proud

[540x720 from http://i.imgur.com/KU4Lh0c.jpg image 540x720]

You're really proud of this, right...?


Lol good one, I mean you hardly EVER see a pregnant black woman anywhere...
 
2013-08-28 12:24:01 PM  
MythDragon:
[720x480 from http://www.morethings.com/fan/boondocks/boondocks-mlk-2006-1690.jpg image 720x480]

"Will ya'll nubians PLEASE shut up?
Is this it?
Is this what I got all those ass-whoopin's for?
I had a dream once.
It was a dream that all the little black boys and little black girls would drink from the river of prosperity,
Freed from the thirst of oppression.
But low and behold, some four decades later,
What have I found but a but a bunch of trifling,
Shiftless, good-for-nothing nubians.
And I know some of you don't want to hear me say that word:
It's the ugliest word in the English language.
But that is what I see now: nubians.
And you don't want to be a nubian because nubians are living contradictions.
nubians are full of unfulfilled ambitions;
nubians wax and wane, nubians love to complain;
nubians love to hear themselves talk, but hate to explain.
nubians love being another man's judge and jury,
nubians procrastinate till it's time to worry.
nubians love to be late, nubians hate to hurry....
Black Entertainment Television is the worst thing i've seen in my life!
...Usher, Michael Jackson is not a genre of music!...
I've seen what's around the corner,
I've seen what's over the horizon, and I promise you,
You nubians have nothing to celebrate."


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-28 12:44:55 PM  
Frank N Stein:

You're not paying attention if you think crack sentencing has NO disparate racial impact.

White Johnny from the 'burbs gets into rehab, while the inner city kid gets a ten year minimum...for basically the SAME drug.
 
2013-08-28 12:46:37 PM  

INeedAName: When laws were passed to enact mandatory sentencing for crack cocaine (which more black people had access to) at a significantly larger rate that powdered cocaine (more of a white person's drug) than large portions of young black men ended up in prison for statistically overwhelming lengths of time, and at unheard of rates.


This had jack to do with anything, crime rates were high well before that. The reasons had to do with welfare and it's requirements for qualification. A household with a Father, especially a married Father was far more difficult to qualify for welfare payments. The net result is that in order to get on welfare you had to have a family without a Father.

Before these requirements historic rates of marriage among black woman were actually higher than white women. The result in some cities was an entire generation of young people growing up in single household families without a role model that held a job. Now you can make arguments that this was considered necessary due to a lack of jobs or other socioeconomic factors, however that is an entirely different issue.
 
2013-08-28 12:50:33 PM  

jso2897: Witty Comment: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I never said I was ignoring them. They go in gray 4, with a tag. Lots of people on fark tag posters to remind them who certain people are. And I've been contributing to the conversation, only to be told I'm full of "white guilt" for thinking that Martin Luther King Jr.'s family has the right to make money from his creative works the same way that Walt Disney's family continues to profit from his.

Are you chastising the idiot that said that? No. It's a huge double standard. It's okay to be racist, but the people who point out that other people are racist are the real problem. Because racists are such delicate little flowers or something.

No, I'm not. I'm chastising you. Why are you trying to deflect onto another person? Furthermore, why are you trying to give the impression that I'm saying it's okay to be racist? Even beyond that, where did you GET that impression? You need to EDUCATE people to change their minds, it's the only way. You're pointing fingers and screaming racist.

And I hope you recognize the irony of classifying people who you judge to be judgmental of another persons color of skin by designating them a color and marginalizing them.

I will put it to you bluntly, and simply - so that even a child can understand: The descendants of the enslavers don't get to tell the descendents of the enslaved when racism is "over".


No, but neither do the descendants of the enslaved get to blame everything on people who had nothing to do with slavery for all eternity, either.

And for the reparations crowd, compare the average standard of living for a black family here in the U.S. with the average standard of living in Africa.  Slavery did suck, but it's over.  Combat real, existing racism?  Sure.  But blame whitey for all your problems, forever?  not so helpful.

As a white person, I am more than content with the privilege I have inherited in America, and I respect it's cost. I suggest you adopt the same philosophy. We got born on third base, dude - we didn't hit no triple. Act and react accordingly.

I certainly got born on third base..but some poor white kid in Appalachia?
I don't think so.
 
2013-08-28 12:54:52 PM  

onyxruby: INeedAName: When laws were passed to enact mandatory sentencing for crack cocaine (which more black people had access to) at a significantly larger rate that powdered cocaine (more of a white person's drug) than large portions of young black men ended up in prison for statistically overwhelming lengths of time, and at unheard of rates.

This had jack to do with anything, crime rates were high well before that. The reasons had to do with welfare and it's requirements for qualification. A household with a Father, especially a married Father was far more difficult to qualify for welfare payments. The net result is that in order to get on welfare you had to have a family without a Father.

Before these requirements historic rates of marriage among black woman were actually higher than white women. The result in some cities was an entire generation of young people growing up in single household families without a role model that held a job. Now you can make arguments that this was considered necessary due to a lack of jobs or other socioeconomic factors, however that is an entirely different issue.


Didn't read your own link, did you?

"Structural factors in society, such as mass incarceration and drug policies have also beenlinked to family formation patterns in black families and may explain variations in marriageacross the last century."
 
2013-08-28 02:22:06 PM  

Warlordtrooper: gonegirl: Meh.  Every so often, there's whiny outrage over MLK's family establishing their legal rights.  This right allows them to, for example, make sure that his likeness doesn't end up being used to sell Coca-Cola.  Or beer.  I think this is good.

And they want money for his words to be used.  You know what?  After decades of this country's commercial media completely farking over black citizens - where'd you get those songs from, Elvis? - I find it hard to care about one black man's family demanding to be paid for the things he created.

If you give a public presentation in a public venue you have no reasonable expectation that somebody won't be able to record your words and replay them.


So is your position that the law was poorly applied?  Because mine is that the family is fine for claiming the rights that have been given to them by law.
 
2013-08-28 02:39:02 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ThatDarkFellow: [608x650 from http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2012/10/Lil-Wayne1-608x650.jpg image 608x650]

King would be proud

[540x720 from http://i.imgur.com/KU4Lh0c.jpg image 540x720]

You're really proud of this, right...?


I could post crime rate statistics, but then I'd feel bad you wouldn't have anything to post in return
 
2013-08-28 03:35:50 PM  
i1180.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-28 03:44:38 PM  

nocturnal001: On top of this Churchill was a politician, so there is an argument that his speeches are more likely to be public domain.

But yeah, obviously this is about a black family "being all greedy and buying rims". God forbid that companies use his speech for free. Now, if King's family were saints they would collect the royalties and donate to charity but I don't think anyone in our society has a leg to stand on for that argument. I can also argue that making a few bucks off of King's work is a pretty shiatty form of compensation for having your grandfather murdered for trying to spread equality.

I don't even particularly like my grandfather, and I wouldn't trade a large sum of money for his death.


Thanks! Well said.
 
2013-08-28 03:48:06 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: I could post crime rate statistics, but then I'd feel bad you wouldn't have anything to post in return


You're proud of this guy too, right?

media.zuza.com

Look, they're even flashing gang signs!
 
2013-08-28 03:50:17 PM  
If the King Estate wasn't callously in it for the money, wouldn't a fair compromise be to allow the speech to be used only in educational purposes for (gasp) free? Isn't that what MLK would have wanted?
 
2013-08-28 04:00:51 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: King would be proud


Assuming people judge that guy because he is an idiot rather than becauae he is black...yeah then he would be.

Of course that isn't wholy the case is it?
 
2013-08-28 05:38:55 PM  

gonegirl: Warlordtrooper: gonegirl: Meh.  Every so often, there's whiny outrage over MLK's family establishing their legal rights.  This right allows them to, for example, make sure that his likeness doesn't end up being used to sell Coca-Cola.  Or beer.  I think this is good.

And they want money for his words to be used.  You know what?  After decades of this country's commercial media completely farking over black citizens - where'd you get those songs from, Elvis? - I find it hard to care about one black man's family demanding to be paid for the things he created.

If you give a public presentation in a public venue you have no reasonable expectation that somebody won't be able to record your words and replay them.

So is your position that the law was poorly applied?  Because mine is that the family is fine for claiming the rights that have been given to them by law.


Do you believe that you have a complete expectation of privacy when out in public?
 
2013-08-28 05:46:33 PM  

Warlordtrooper: gonegirl: Warlordtrooper: gonegirl: Meh.  Every so often, there's whiny outrage over MLK's family establishing their legal rights.  This right allows them to, for example, make sure that his likeness doesn't end up being used to sell Coca-Cola.  Or beer.  I think this is good.

And they want money for his words to be used.  You know what?  After decades of this country's commercial media completely farking over black citizens - where'd you get those songs from, Elvis? - I find it hard to care about one black man's family demanding to be paid for the things he created.

If you give a public presentation in a public venue you have no reasonable expectation that somebody won't be able to record your words and replay them.

So is your position that the law was poorly applied?  Because mine is that the family is fine for claiming the rights that have been given to them by law.

Do you believe that you have a complete expectation of privacy when out in public?


Do you believe that copyright has been poorly applied in this case?  I think that the individuals claiming ownership are doing well to claim every single right that has already been awarded them by the courts.  Do you have an argument against the specific judgment used in this copyright case, or do you just like to ask questions?
 
2013-08-28 06:27:24 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: Satanic_Hamster: ThatDarkFellow: [608x650 from http://cdn.stereogum.com/files/2012/10/Lil-Wayne1-608x650.jpg image 608x650]

King would be proud

[540x720 from http://i.imgur.com/KU4Lh0c.jpg image 540x720]

You're really proud of this, right...?

I could post crime rate statistics, but then I'd feel bad you wouldn't have anything to post in return


Nothing in return? How about disproportionate arrest rates against minorities despite evidence to suggest whites are just as or more likely to be committing the same crime? How about disproportionate arrests of the impoverished versus the affluent?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/06/us/06disparities.html?_r=0

Meanwhile, white folks carry drugs and guns more often than blacks:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/22/2046451/white-people-sto pp ed-by-new-york-police-are-more-likely-to-have-guns-or-drugs-than-minor ities/ 

Whoops! Our police/justice system is inherently racist, even if it's subtle and based on stereotypes of class rather than race (because minorities are more likely to be poor - seeing the connection yet?). But be proud of your own racism.
 
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