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(Gawker)   US intel agents intercepted phone calls FALSE FLAG from the Syrian Ministry of Defense FALSE FLAG asking their chemical weapons unit who in the fark told them FALSE FLAG to launch a chemical attack on a suburb full of civilians   (gawker.com) divider line 548
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2013-08-28 09:53:17 AM  

edmo: And finally, how we gonna pay for it?


We gonna be out of office by then, living in very secure gated communities. Deal with it, peasant.
 
2013-08-28 09:53:47 AM  

Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?


I think you've watched too much West Wing.
 
2013-08-28 09:53:56 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: I'd be in favor of an air campaign IF we had a nation willing to supply the occupation troops to back up the rebels and ensure that a non-insane government takes control after Assad's departure.

The Libyan rebels didn't require occupation troops, officially, but they got lots of neighborly help from the Arab League nations.  The same thing is needed here.

Why!?!?! We shouldn't have even been in Libya. WHO THE F*CK IS PAYING FOR THIS???


just think of it as corporate welfare for the job creators over at McDonnell- Douglass and Raytheon. Something the GOP loves and supports.
 
2013-08-28 09:54:28 AM  

Infernalist: Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: Bombing those weapons would just create toxic clouds that would kill indiscriminately depends on how the wind is blowing.

Destroying CWs safely requires a specific procedure with specific equipment that basically revolves around incinerating them in a factory where they have no chance of releasing their toxins into the environment.

Which means a full invasion

By whom?  Not us.  Let the Arab League supply the troops.  Or Turkey.  Or Russia.


Russia is already there, securing the CW stockpiles. If the Syrian Gov't DID do it, then the Russians are complicit in the crime.

Interesting site with Al'KayDuh vids. Seems to point to the "rebels" that launched it... At this point, its just as reliable and believable as anything from the US or Israel...
 
2013-08-28 09:55:02 AM  

neversubmit: vygramul: neversubmit: vygramul: Assad's commanders believe it was their own attack, but people here know better.

Caveat emptor

That applies even more to people who buy the false-flag narrative pushed by people with a financial interest in getting page clicks from those who find conspiracies entertaining.

As apposed to people with a financial interest in making war?

Like the New York Times that put the launch area inside rebel controlled land.


There's already a war and the media makes plenty of money hand-wringing over how we're not doing anything about it. And the media can't be expected to label countries properly. Is it a surprise they can't find what is where? (Assuming they got it wrong, of course.)
 
2013-08-28 09:55:15 AM  
It's never a good thing to wake up to Alex Jones' wet dream.
 
2013-08-28 09:55:42 AM  

neversubmit: Manufactured Syrian war scare pushed NSA off the front page.

So that happen, which is nice for them.


MIley Cyrus acting like a skank pushed the NSA off the front page. News articles about what happened on in Syria came as a welcome relief.
 
2013-08-28 09:56:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.


ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?
 
2013-08-28 09:56:16 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: neversubmit: Manufactured Syrian war scare pushed NSA off the front page.

So that happen, which is nice for them.

IT'S A CONSPIRACYYYYY


the same way 9/11 pushed Bush's economic woes off the front page.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

:)
 
2013-08-28 09:57:23 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: I'd be in favor of an air campaign IF we had a nation willing to supply the occupation troops to back up the rebels and ensure that a non-insane government takes control after Assad's departure.

The Libyan rebels didn't require occupation troops, officially, but they got lots of neighborly help from the Arab League nations.  The same thing is needed here.

Why!?!?! We shouldn't have even been in Libya. WHO THE F*CK IS PAYING FOR THIS???

just think of it as corporate welfare for the job creators over at McDonnell- Douglass and Raytheon. Something the GOP loves and supports.


So do the democrats on Fark who were complaining about the sequester affecting their government defense contracts.
 
2013-08-28 09:57:36 AM  

Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.

ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?


It means that you have a TV-fantasy view of the way the US government works. And yes, I also believe in proper punctuation.
 
2013-08-28 09:57:44 AM  

LasersHurt: muck4doo: LasersHurt: I love how people are pre-emptively so pissed at the war Obama's gotten us into. Soon. Will have gotten us into. Definitely. This is the same as Iraq. Or will have been.

Infernalist: cameroncrazy1984: My favorite thing about these threads is all the same people comparing Syria to Iraq were comparing Libya to Iraq a couple years ago. And they're saying it without a single sense of irony.

a lot of people are absolutely determined for Obama to have his own version of Iraq.  And Katrina.  And 911.

Obama is the REAL victim in all of this.

Because god forbid we wait a minute and see what he does before we tell him he did it wrong.


People are discussing what he's done so far, but your grave concern for his political reputation foremost in all of this is greatly appreciated by all involved.
 
2013-08-28 09:57:56 AM  

Infernalist: wingnut396: DubtodaIll: Target Builder: DubtodaIll: Target Builder: DubtodaIll:

No I'm hardly making any more money than I have been.  I haven't changed tax brackets, but the taxes coming out of my paycheck went up about 180 bucks on the same pay rate.

Unless you're talking about the expiration of the very temporary Payroll Tax cut you should probably speak to your accountant about that.

I can't afford an accountant.  And it was the Medicare/Medicade mostly and some from the payroll.

The extra income tax could only have been due to the additional tax on the small pay rise you mention. The medicare/medicaid is due to the expiration of the temporary payroll tax break that started in 2011 and ended in 2012 and the small amount of extra income you mention.

No other federal income taxes have changed for you.

Right, and I was told by my President that none of them would go up.  It's not like I'm surprised, but I don't see why you're trying to convince me the President is a man of his word when even his rhetoric turns out to be bull.

Tax withholding from your pay check is not the same as what you owe at the end of the year.  Do you usually get a refund from giving the Federal Government a free loan for the year?  Is so, change your farking W4 so you are withholding so much.  Of course if you can't budget and pay your taxes come April 15, then you may want to keep the extra coming out so you get a that fun check from the Feds when you file.

Now if you want to be taken seriously, tell us the number of dependents you file with and your approximate income from the last year and what you expect for this year.  It is farking dead simple to look up the tax rates for each to see where you fall and if you taxes did really go up $4,860 ($180*26-- assuming biweekly).

You people are arguing with a paid shill.   I hope you all realize that.


Not necessarily. I have an uncle who makes Teahadists look like Eugene Debs, and he complained in April 2009 how Obama made his taxes go up over his tax bill the previous April.
 
2013-08-28 09:58:02 AM  
repeat from similar threadarticle from asiantimes
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-270813.html

.........The importance of this report cannot be overstated enough. It was initially leaked to Lebanon's Al-Safir newspaper. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2013/08/saudi-russia-putin-ba ndar-meeting-syria-egypt.html">Here's Bandar's whole strategy, unveiled in his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, already reported by Asia Times Online. After trying - for four hours - to convince Putin to drop Syria, Bandar is adamant: ''There is no escape from the military option.''

it will be war, so set back and enjoy the enevitable
 
2013-08-28 09:58:21 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: I'd be in favor of an air campaign IF we had a nation willing to supply the occupation troops to back up the rebels and ensure that a non-insane government takes control after Assad's departure.

The Libyan rebels didn't require occupation troops, officially, but they got lots of neighborly help from the Arab League nations.  The same thing is needed here.

Why!?!?! We shouldn't have even been in Libya. WHO THE F*CK IS PAYING FOR THIS???


Son, you have to realize that when shiat goes bad, 'we' have to pay something.  It's inevitable.  It's just how the world works.

Our choices were very simple: Ignore the problem, let the global economy go to shiat because of Libya's oil market being shaky as fark 'and' simultaneously let Daffy slaughter the rebels at his own leisure....OR:

We could step in with regional support, rebel support, Arab League support, and UN support, allowing the French and other local powers use our military infrastructure and expertise to destroy Daffy's forces, allowing the rebels to win the day.

We chose the latter and it cost us next to nothing in relative terms.  It was the perfect example of how to wage a war in the modern age.
 
2013-08-28 09:58:59 AM  
How many days left until the democrats hand he GOP a slew of "But Obamas"?
 
2013-08-28 10:00:10 AM  

wingnut396: DubtodaIll: Target Builder: DubtodaIll: Target Builder: DubtodaIll:

No I'm hardly making any more money than I have been.  I haven't changed tax brackets, but the taxes coming out of my paycheck went up about 180 bucks on the same pay rate.

Unless you're talking about the expiration of the very temporary Payroll Tax cut you should probably speak to your accountant about that.

I can't afford an accountant.  And it was the Medicare/Medicade mostly and some from the payroll.

The extra income tax could only have been due to the additional tax on the small pay rise you mention. The medicare/medicaid is due to the expiration of the temporary payroll tax break that started in 2011 and ended in 2012 and the small amount of extra income you mention.

No other federal income taxes have changed for you.

Right, and I was told by my President that none of them would go up.  It's not like I'm surprised, but I don't see why you're trying to convince me the President is a man of his word when even his rhetoric turns out to be bull.

Tax withholding from your pay check is not the same as what you owe at the end of the year.  Do you usually get a refund from giving the Federal Government a free loan for the year?  Is so, change your farking W4 so you are withholding so much.  Of course if you can't budget and pay your taxes come April 15, then you may want to keep the extra coming out so you get a that fun check from the Feds when you file.

Now if you want to be taken seriously, tell us the number of dependents you file with and your approximate income from the last year and what you expect for this year.  It is farking dead simple to look up the tax rates for each to see where you fall and if you taxes did really go up $4,860 ($180*26-- assuming biweekly).


No I get paid monthly.  I know how do you my taxes.  Just because I'm Republican  doesn't mean I'm a moron.  (Insert laugh track).  You seem more surprised that my reality isn't the reality your party leads you to believe.  I'm not a big fan of the GOP's effort the past few years either and I can see that most of it is because they don't like Obama personally.  Personally, I've never met him and I fee like he's probably a good guy to know.  He takes polls and reacts to them, I haven't seen a fresh or good idea out of him his whole administration.  And if there's anything this country has needed the past decade is fresh ideas from the top.
 
2013-08-28 10:00:20 AM  

Infernalist: Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: By whom?  Not us.  Let the Arab League supply the troops.  Or Turkey.  Or Russia.

That's my point, we shouldn't even spend money on bombs for this bullsh*t.

The only way to fully stop chemical attacks is a full on invasion. Either sh*t or get off the pot that doesn't even want us there

I'd be in favor of an air campaign IF we had a nation willing to supply the occupation troops to back up the rebels and ensure that a non-insane government takes control after Assad's departure.

The Libyan rebels didn't require occupation troops, officially, but they got lots of neighborly help from the Arab League nations.  The same thing is needed here.


Nation-building doesn't have a good track-record in nations that didn't get absolutely leveled beforehand.
 
2013-08-28 10:00:22 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.

ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?

It means that you have a TV-fantasy view of the way the US government works. And yes, I also believe in proper punctuation.


ok, but you still don't seem to be able to give your opinion on the issue? what's up with that?
 
2013-08-28 10:00:50 AM  

muck4doo: LasersHurt: muck4doo: LasersHurt: I love how people are pre-emptively so pissed at the war Obama's gotten us into. Soon. Will have gotten us into. Definitely. This is the same as Iraq. Or will have been.

Infernalist: cameroncrazy1984: My favorite thing about these threads is all the same people comparing Syria to Iraq were comparing Libya to Iraq a couple years ago. And they're saying it without a single sense of irony.

a lot of people are absolutely determined for Obama to have his own version of Iraq.  And Katrina.  And 911.

Obama is the REAL victim in all of this.

Because god forbid we wait a minute and see what he does before we tell him he did it wrong.

People are discussing what he's done so far, but your grave concern for his political reputation foremost in all of this is greatly appreciated by all involved.


What has he done so far? So far he's said if Syria crosses a red line it changes his calculus." That's it. There are a whole lot of people who believe we've already fought a war in Syria with 100,000 troops on the ground.
 
2013-08-28 10:01:01 AM  

Giltric: How many days left until the democrats hand he GOP a slew of "But Obamas"?


FOUR MORE YEARS.  Bask in it, boyo.
 
2013-08-28 10:01:04 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: neversubmit: Manufactured Syrian war scare pushed NSA off the front page.

So that happen, which is nice for them.

IT'S A CONSPIRACYYYYY


Can you prove that? No? Then shut up!
 
2013-08-28 10:02:06 AM  

DubtodaIll: No I get paid monthly.  I know how do you my taxes.  Just because I'm Republican  doesn't mean I'm a moron.


Are you sure? Because you just said "I know how do you my taxes."

Maybe Obama raised only your taxes? That would explain why yours are the only ones that went up and mine and everyone else's in this thread didn't.
 
2013-08-28 10:02:09 AM  

muck4doo: People are discussing what he's done so far, but your grave concern for his political reputation foremost in all of this is greatly appreciated by all involved.


So you'd rather push some "wah wah unfair you're protecting Obama" shiat than honestly discuss something? I'm shocked, shocked.
 
2013-08-28 10:02:46 AM  

Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.

ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?

It means that you have a TV-fantasy view of the way the US government works. And yes, I also believe in proper punctuation.

ok, but you still don't seem to be able to give your opinion on the issue? what's up with that?


What part of "And yes" is so hard to understand?
 
2013-08-28 10:02:52 AM  

vygramul: Infernalist: Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: By whom?  Not us.  Let the Arab League supply the troops.  Or Turkey.  Or Russia.

That's my point, we shouldn't even spend money on bombs for this bullsh*t.

The only way to fully stop chemical attacks is a full on invasion. Either sh*t or get off the pot that doesn't even want us there

I'd be in favor of an air campaign IF we had a nation willing to supply the occupation troops to back up the rebels and ensure that a non-insane government takes control after Assad's departure.

The Libyan rebels didn't require occupation troops, officially, but they got lots of neighborly help from the Arab League nations.  The same thing is needed here.

Nation-building doesn't have a good track-record in nations that didn't get absolutely leveled beforehand.


To be completely honest, the only thing that I'm truly wanting is for the CWs to be seized and contained and maybe the Syrian civilians to get a chance to live a somewhat stable and secure life, but if I had to choose only one of those, it'd still be the CWs being seized.  As much as I'd like to see the Syrians get a good government, it's really on them to make that happen.
 
2013-08-28 10:03:13 AM  

give me doughnuts: neversubmit: Manufactured Syrian war scare pushed NSA off the front page.

So that happen, which is nice for them.

MIley Cyrus acting like a skank pushed the NSA off the front page. News articles about what happened on in Syria came as a welcome relief.


She acted like a young person, that is all.
 
2013-08-28 10:04:45 AM  

LandOfChocolate: paulseta: Ah, the Middle East - where everyone is wrong, and everyone is armed.

and the points don't matter


Sounds a lot like Clear Spring, Maryland.
 
2013-08-28 10:05:20 AM  

Infernalist: vygramul: Infernalist: Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: By whom?  Not us.  Let the Arab League supply the troops.  Or Turkey.  Or Russia.

That's my point, we shouldn't even spend money on bombs for this bullsh*t.

The only way to fully stop chemical attacks is a full on invasion. Either sh*t or get off the pot that doesn't even want us there

I'd be in favor of an air campaign IF we had a nation willing to supply the occupation troops to back up the rebels and ensure that a non-insane government takes control after Assad's departure.

The Libyan rebels didn't require occupation troops, officially, but they got lots of neighborly help from the Arab League nations.  The same thing is needed here.

Nation-building doesn't have a good track-record in nations that didn't get absolutely leveled beforehand.

To be completely honest, the only thing that I'm truly wanting is for the CWs to be seized and contained and maybe the Syrian civilians to get a chance to live a somewhat stable and secure life, but if I had to choose only one of those, it'd still be the CWs being seized.  As much as I'd like to see the Syrians get a good government, it's really on them to make that happen.


On that, we agree.
 
2013-08-28 10:05:34 AM  

Infernalist: Son, you have to realize that when shiat goes bad, 'we' have to pay something.  It's inevitable.  It's just how the world works.

Our choices were very simple: Ignore the problem, let the global economy go to shiat because of Libya's oil market being shaky as fark 'and' simultaneously let Daffy slaughter the rebels at his own leisure....OR:

We could step in with regional support, rebel support, Arab League support, and UN support, allowing the French and other local powers use our military infrastructure and expertise to destroy Daffy's forces, allowing the rebels to win the day.

We chose the latter and it cost us next to nothing in relative terms.  It was the perfect example of how to wage a war in the modern age.


The global economy was in no danger of "going to sh*t". It is in no danger of "going to sh*t". Apparently we went to Iraq because of oil and that was bad, but this is alright?

I tend to have a big problem spending billions of dollars we don't have to help Al Qaeda gain a stronghold in another country.
 
2013-08-28 10:06:41 AM  

vygramul: No, weapons like that simply do not get released to the flunkies without intending to use them


You are Assad.

You know people in the west are worreid abotu your chemical weapons.  Would you leav all of them in a "secure" bunker or get them spread out?

Also you may want to familirize yourself with hwo oftent he US has lost nuclear wpeaons or accidently flwon with them.  I doubt assad's military is nearly as professional, so to see a mistake like this happenig is completely plausible imho.
 
2013-08-28 10:07:01 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


No you aren't.

Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
 
2013-08-28 10:07:23 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: DubtodaIll: No I get paid monthly.  I know how do you my taxes.  Just because I'm Republican  doesn't mean I'm a moron.

Are you sure? Because you just said "I know how do you my taxes."

Maybe Obama raised only your taxes? That would explain why yours are the only ones that went up and mine and everyone else's in this thread didn't.


You can believe whatever you want about my life, and hey more power to you, whatever gets your rocks off.  I know I'm taking home less money than I was two years ago and Obama has done nothing to improve that and from what I've seen is making no efforts to improve the overall economy in a real way.
 
2013-08-28 10:07:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I tend to have a big problem spending billions of dollars we don't have to help Al Qaeda gain a stronghold in another country.


Question: Do you know how much Libya cost? Did you know it was done entirely on-budget? Did you know that the deficit continued to shrink anyway?

Follow-up: How do you know for sure that Al Qaeda would gain "another" stronghold (whatever that means)?
 
2013-08-28 10:07:39 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: I have yet to read an article that tells us how the neighborhood that was attacked was of such strategic importance to Assad that it warranted a chemical gas attack that would assure an ass-kicking by the US and our allies.


Same here. Something seems fishy with all of this.
 
2013-08-28 10:08:07 AM  

DubtodaIll: cameroncrazy1984: DubtodaIll: No I get paid monthly.  I know how do you my taxes.  Just because I'm Republican  doesn't mean I'm a moron.

Are you sure? Because you just said "I know how do you my taxes."

Maybe Obama raised only your taxes? That would explain why yours are the only ones that went up and mine and everyone else's in this thread didn't.

You can believe whatever you want about my life, and hey more power to you, whatever gets your rocks off.  I know I'm taking home less money than I was two years ago and Obama has done nothing to improve that and from what I've seen is making no efforts to improve the overall economy in a real way.


Prove it. Because you appear to be the only American making less than $400,000 per year that is taking home less taxes without getting a pay raise.
 
2013-08-28 10:08:26 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.

ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?

It means that you have a TV-fantasy view of the way the US government works. And yes, I also believe in proper punctuation.

ok, but you still don't seem to be able to give your opinion on the issue? what's up with that?

What part of "And yes" is so hard to understand?


Seems kinda naive, but hey, atleast you got up the courage to give an opinion.
 
2013-08-28 10:08:57 AM  

neversubmit: cameroncrazy1984: neversubmit: Manufactured Syrian war scare pushed NSA off the front page.

So that happen, which is nice for them.

IT'S A CONSPIRACYYYYY

Can you prove that? No? Then shut up!


SO - the idea that a known "liar" may or may not have lied about something else to the death and detriment of others did NOT lie because there is no (known physical) proof, yet we're not even allowed to talk about the the fact that a known "liar" has a history of lying and may have lied again? so according to YOU - the great and wonderfull FarkAss, we're not allowed to even ASK "cui bono"? and what branch of the government do you work for again?
 
2013-08-28 10:10:19 AM  

Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.

ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?

It means that you have a TV-fantasy view of the way the US government works. And yes, I also believe in proper punctuation.

ok, but you still don't seem to be able to give your opinion on the issue? what's up with that?

What part of "And yes" is so hard to understand?

Seems kinda naive, but hey, atleast you got up the courage to give an opinion.


No, naivete is believing that the government plans airstrikes that have no effect whatsoever, as if real life happens the way it does on The West Wing.
 
2013-08-28 10:11:02 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Question: Do you know how much Libya cost? Did you know it was done entirely on-budget? Did you know that the deficit continued to shrink anyway?

Follow-up: How do you know for sure that Al Qaeda would gain "another" stronghold (whatever that means)?


Oh well gee sh*t, that makes it alright.

Are you nuts? You don't read the news? The news that has been verified that Al Qaeda has joined the rebel movement?
 
2013-08-28 10:12:06 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: cameroncrazy1984: Question: Do you know how much Libya cost? Did you know it was done entirely on-budget? Did you know that the deficit continued to shrink anyway?

Follow-up: How do you know for sure that Al Qaeda would gain "another" stronghold (whatever that means)?

Oh well gee sh*t, that makes it alright.

Are you nuts? You don't read the news? The news that has been verified that Al Qaeda has joined the rebel movement?


And? There were reports that they joined the rebel movement in Libya too, right? And it's funny that you suddenly dropped the "spend-billions-we-don't-have" argument right away.
 
2013-08-28 10:12:09 AM  

violentsalvation: Right... Are we blaming Israel yet or are we blaming this "false flag" operation on ourselves?

If you don't want us to take part in their conflict then you can say it. I'll respect your opinion, I'm luke warm on the idea myself. But this headline is silly.


I agree that an outright false flag seems a bit far, but something is hinky. Maybe we (or someone) goaded the Syrians in to attacking? Why did they attack this particular area?
 
2013-08-28 10:12:23 AM  

neversubmit: The "intervention" is a done deal, Mr. Putin is already backing away from Assad.


This. At a press conference a few days ago, a senior Russian official (don't have the details handy, sorry) said "US intervention would be 'catastrophic'...but no, we're not getting involved."

Catastrophic. Uh huh. That sounds like a green light to me.
 
2013-08-28 10:12:38 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: DubtodaIll: cameroncrazy1984: DubtodaIll: No I get paid monthly.  I know how do you my taxes.  Just because I'm Republican  doesn't mean I'm a moron.

Are you sure? Because you just said "I know how do you my taxes."

Maybe Obama raised only your taxes? That would explain why yours are the only ones that went up and mine and everyone else's in this thread didn't.

You can believe whatever you want about my life, and hey more power to you, whatever gets your rocks off.  I know I'm taking home less money than I was two years ago and Obama has done nothing to improve that and from what I've seen is making no efforts to improve the overall economy in a real way.

Prove it. Because you appear to be the only American making less than $400,000 per year that is taking home less taxes without getting a pay raise.


I don't take home any taxes.  And yes, after a decrease in taxes, when taxes go back up, that's called a tax increase.  If they're able to make it "temporarily" go down, then they can make it go down whenever they're able to put it on paper and sign it.
 
2013-08-28 10:12:46 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: LasersHurt: muck4doo: LasersHurt: I love how people are pre-emptively so pissed at the war Obama's gotten us into. Soon. Will have gotten us into. Definitely. This is the same as Iraq. Or will have been.

Infernalist: cameroncrazy1984: My favorite thing about these threads is all the same people comparing Syria to Iraq were comparing Libya to Iraq a couple years ago. And they're saying it without a single sense of irony.

a lot of people are absolutely determined for Obama to have his own version of Iraq.  And Katrina.  And 911.

Obama is the REAL victim in all of this.

Because god forbid we wait a minute and see what he does before we tell him he did it wrong.

People are discussing what he's done so far, but your grave concern for his political reputation foremost in all of this is greatly appreciated by all involved.

What has he done so far? So far he's said if Syria crosses a red line it changes his calculus." That's it. There are a whole lot of people who believe we've already fought a war in Syria with 100,000 troops on the ground.


Who's saying anything like that? Some are saying they don't want to see that, but I haven't seen anyone say what you are stating.

LasersHurt: So you'd rather push some "wah wah unfair you're protecting Obama" shiat than honestly discuss something? I'm shocked, shocked.


Try discussing something other than "wah wah this is unfair for Obama".
 
2013-08-28 10:13:08 AM  

BostonEMT: neversubmit: cameroncrazy1984: neversubmit: Manufactured Syrian war scare pushed NSA off the front page.

So that happen, which is nice for them.

IT'S A CONSPIRACYYYYY

Can you prove that? No? Then shut up!

SO - the idea that a known "liar" may or may not have lied about something else to the death and detriment of others did NOT lie because there is no (known physical) proof, yet we're not even allowed to talk about the the fact that a known "liar" has a history of lying and may have lied again? so according to YOU - the great and wonderfull FarkAss, we're not allowed to even ASK "cui bono"? and what branch of the government do you work for again?


I wasn't talking to you.
 
2013-08-28 10:13:52 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Infernalist: Son, you have to realize that when shiat goes bad, 'we' have to pay something.  It's inevitable.  It's just how the world works.

Our choices were very simple: Ignore the problem, let the global economy go to shiat because of Libya's oil market being shaky as fark 'and' simultaneously let Daffy slaughter the rebels at his own leisure....OR:

We could step in with regional support, rebel support, Arab League support, and UN support, allowing the French and other local powers use our military infrastructure and expertise to destroy Daffy's forces, allowing the rebels to win the day.

We chose the latter and it cost us next to nothing in relative terms.  It was the perfect example of how to wage a war in the modern age.

The global economy was in no danger of "going to sh*t". It is in no danger of "going to sh*t". Apparently we went to Iraq because of oil and that was bad, but this is alright?

I tend to have a big problem spending billions of dollars we don't have to help Al Qaeda gain a stronghold in another country.


You're pretty uneducated on the circumstances leading up to the Libyan war.

The European economy was just coming out of a recession, recovering nicely at least until the rebels started shooting things up in Libya.  The instability in Libya freaked out the European oil market(most of Libya's oil goes to Europe) and the price of oil skyrocketed.  That, in turn, freaked out the European economy and their recovery started to falter.

The European powers had two choices: Support Daffy or support the rebels and they hemmed and they hawed and they talked and talked and Daffy continually pushed the rebels back and back and back until they reached the rebel capitol of Benghazi.  That's when the U.S. finally decided to throw their support behind the rebels.  US aerial forces and naval forces engaged Daffy's aircraft and air defenses, followed up by targeting his ground armor units.  French and other nations got their aircraft involved after the first waves of attacks and the US fell back into a secondary role of providing support and communications and advice.

By the time it was all said and done a couple of months later, we'd spent somewhere around 100 million dollars, most of that on ordinance and fuel for our aircraft and naval vessels.  It was cheap, it was morally respectable and it was the best thing for the region and Western Europe.  A rare trifecta.

As for spending billions....Do you honestly think that this President is going to do to Syria what the GOP did to Iraq?
 
2013-08-28 10:14:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: And? There were reports that they joined the rebel movement in Libya too, right? And it's funny that you suddenly dropped the "spend-billions-we-don't-have" argument right away.


You showed me no proof, why the f*ck would I continue to believe you?
 
2013-08-28 10:14:43 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: cameroncrazy1984: Headso: they've been talking about it for days now, why would anyone be at those facilities that matters and collateral damage is a thing, one of those missiles could easily kill civilians.

"Could easily" and "would"

I think you're just making up things to be mad about at this point.

you honestly believe this is going to be a meaningful military strike?

I think you've watched too much West Wing.

ok whatever that means, but do you believe this is going to be a meaningful action is it worth doing?

It means that you have a TV-fantasy view of the way the US government works. And yes, I also believe in proper punctuation.

ok, but you still don't seem to be able to give your opinion on the issue? what's up with that?

What part of "And yes" is so hard to understand?

Seems kinda naive, but hey, atleast you got up the courage to give an opinion.

No, naivete is believing that the government plans airstrikes that have no effect whatsoever, as if real life happens the way it does on The West Wing.


Because the government is never engaged in security/military theater, everything they do at the airports is all really about safety, W invading Iraq was really about terrorism, this is really about preventing more chemical weapons attacks.That's not naive at all.
 
2013-08-28 10:15:07 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: neversubmit: The "intervention" is a done deal, Mr. Putin is already backing away from Assad.

This. At a press conference a few days ago, a senior Russian official (don't have the details handy, sorry) said "US intervention would be 'catastrophic'...but no, we're not getting involved."

Catastrophic. Uh huh. That sounds like a green light to me.


And a few post down from that one I corrected myself, still we are going ahead with or without Mr. Putin.
 
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