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(Opposing Views)   Dear Facebook users, only the NSA is interested in your reactions to Miley Cyrus, Breaking Bad, and the Newsroom   (opposingviews.com) divider line 36
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2013-08-27 04:54:10 PM
What are two great shows and an attention whore?
 
2013-08-27 04:56:00 PM
Dear Facebook, Miley's bottom is not round enough but I looked anyway, didn't watch Breaking Bad, watched The Newsroom but hated myself in the morning.

Here you can read a sturdy legal brief arguing that NSA surveillance of US persons violates both FISA and the 1st and 4th Amendments.  It's a motion for preliminary injunction in the case based on the Verizon telephone metadata order, so it is limited to that one issue, but much of the analysis and authority cited also applies to other forms of surveillance.
 
2013-08-27 05:14:41 PM
Didn't see it and don't care, haven't seen it, but would like to, and haven't seen it and it looks bloody awful.
 
2013-08-27 06:00:43 PM
Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.
 
2013-08-27 06:04:54 PM
correction: no one cares about Snoozeroom.
 
2013-08-27 06:25:56 PM
Christopher Moore had far and away the best response to the whole Miley thing. "Twerk not, vile sprite. Quivering flanks the world traverse in an instant, regret endures beyond rehab's repeated eternities."
 
2013-08-27 06:39:24 PM

fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.


dump.fm
 
2013-08-27 06:56:25 PM
Note, when article says "Government" they mean local, state, and federal.
 
2013-08-27 07:05:01 PM

Arachnophobe: Christopher Moore had far and away the best response to the whole Miley thing. "Twerk not, vile sprite. Quivering flanks the world traverse in an instant, regret endures beyond rehab's repeated eternities."


I love me some Christopher Moore.  Well, Sacre Bleu didn't grab me and Fool I could do without.  But all the rest totally rock.
 
2013-08-27 07:09:15 PM
I, for one, welcome our Facebook reading NSA Overlords. I mean at least this way I know *someone* is reading my posts there.
 
2013-08-27 07:21:06 PM
I actually suspect that someone's using the NSA spy ops to forecast product sales and commodity moves. Analyze emails and postings for which snack companies or restaurants are getting positive mentions, which cars people are chatting about buying. Possibly even selling real time advertising responses to ad agencies or hedge funds.
 
2013-08-27 07:45:14 PM
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2013-08-27 08:17:31 PM
I love how requests by local law enforcement for that picture of some idiot breaking that law they bragged about on Twitter is now perceived to be the NSA doing domestic spying.

No wait, I don't love that.
 
2013-08-27 08:34:48 PM
Twerkin'. Jerkin', Perkin' Watch the load spew!
 
2013-08-27 09:00:18 PM
I hope Walt makes Hank twerk.

/would pay to see Marie twerk
 
2013-08-27 09:37:19 PM

badLogic: I, for one, welcome our Facebook reading NSA Overlords. I mean at least this way I know *someone* is reading my posts there.


Don't bother, it's not as glamorous as you think.  I did the same thing you did and now I can't unfriend them.  And their wall is nothing but recycled ecards, gluten-free cookie recipies, and check-ins for places that I'd never go.  Total waste of time.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:31 PM
Newsroom has been much better this season than it's first season. Although I wish Allison Pill's character would have been murdered in Uganda. She is insufferable.
 
2013-08-27 10:33:49 PM
Newsroom is awesome.
one of the best shows on tv.
 
2013-08-27 11:08:00 PM
Does the NSA have a tip e-mail address that we can all just send screenshots of the stupid drival that we post on facebook?
 
2013-08-27 11:24:36 PM
I applaud the NSA for their skill in internet-based intelligence gathering. They've figured out all they have to do is scan thru Facebook, take down the names of all the people who friended Ayman al-Zawahiri, and presto! they've busted al Qaeda wide open.

/don't friend Ayman al-Zawahiri
 
2013-08-27 11:25:03 PM
Bullshiat. Advertisers care a great deal.
 
2013-08-27 11:44:52 PM
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2013-08-28 12:25:41 AM
Maybe the NSA just doesn't have access to good TV, so they're trying to access ALL the TVs . . . through Facebook (never said they were competent)
 
2013-08-28 12:38:12 AM
If you could only kick one of these guys in the balls which would you choose?
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2013-08-28 01:14:27 AM
Thanks Obama, I just watched the video....out of morbid curiosity. I'll take the NSA channel anytime over that crap
 
2013-08-28 03:36:21 AM

fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.


I'll bet you also drive a Prius and only drink microbrew or import beer.
 
2013-08-28 05:30:14 AM

darkjezter: fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.

I'll bet you also drive a Prius and only drink microbrew or import beer.



His favorite bands are so cool that even he hasn't heard of them.
 
2013-08-28 08:00:07 AM

fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.


If you still have a phone, even a cell phone, they can still track you like J. Edgar Hoover did.
 
2013-08-28 08:28:04 AM

IlGreven: fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.

If you still have a phone, even a cell phone, they can still track you like J. Edgar Hoover did.


Actually, if you have a cell phone, they *ARE* tracking you, after a fashion.

The way cellphones work is that every few minutes (more often if you are moving), your phone "pings" the local cell towers to let the system know where your phone is.  This isn't some sinister thing, though:  The system needs to know where you are in order to route your incoming phone calls to the proper cell tower, so that you receive it.

By law (CALEA, specifically), the cell companies are required to keep that information for a certain period of time, and to make it available to regular law enforcement upon request.  Generally, that means an official request for things like metadata, and an actual warrant to access the contents of the call.  This is how the Boston Bombers were originally found:  The police knew that the Tsarnaev brothers had hijacked a car, and that the owner's cellphone was in the car, so they had the local cell providers provide them with the location information in real time.

The NSA has taken that one step further by actually gathering up all the metadata, or as much as it can, and storing it for itself, so that it doesn't have to rely on the telecommunications carriers complying with their requests.  They *SAY* they have an internal process to minimize the chance that it will be abused or used against "United States Persons"*, but given the fact that they initially lied about the existence of the program in the first place, I personally don't believe them.   Even if what they are saying is true right now, and there are strong protections in place, that doesn't guarantee that they will be there 5 years from now.

You really, really wouldn't believe how scarily accurate of a profile of you that can be built from just your location data from your cellphone, combined with the data of who you talked to, when, and for how long.  They can find out when you sleep, where and when you work, who your friends and family are, where you like to eat, who you are dating, or who you or your spouse is dating, where you like to shop, etc.

They can build up a complex and accurate web of your connections to other people.

All this, prior to the advent of cellphones and the automated collection of the metadata from them, had to be done by actually following you with agents, having them dig into your life, and generally do the sorts of police work that takes a hell of a lot of manpower to do effectively.  That fact always acted as a brake on those sorts of investigations, as the resources were always limited, so for the most part only the important cases got that attention.

Today, all it takes is a few keystrokes.

J. Edgar Hoover, and especially people like Heinrich Himmler and Lavrentiy Beria would have creamed their collective jeans at the possibilities.

*Which has a very specific statutory definition, and some people covered under the Fourth Amendment protections against search and seizure aren't US Persons, for example people in the US on student visas, so they can be monitored by the NSA pretty much at will, under FISA.
 
2013-08-28 08:58:39 AM

darkjezter: fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.

I'll bet you also drive a Prius and only drink microbrew or import beer.



Nope. In fact I hate Prius'.

I don't have Facebook because I don't really feel the need to post pictures of me getting drunk and teabagging someone. I don't watch TV with the exception of Archer and Top Gear, and most of the time I just watch football and hockey.

Typically I just drink well vodka.
 
2013-08-28 09:39:01 AM

fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.




You're on a different list.

shiat, I wasn't supposed to reveal that information.

Now, I'm on a list.

Thanks Obama.
 
2013-08-28 10:10:07 AM

StoPPeRmobile: fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.

You're on a different list.

shiat, I wasn't supposed to reveal that information.

Now, I'm on a list.

Thanks Obama.


www.metroactive.com

Oh, I've got a little list.  You're on it.  Communists, foreign nationals, geniuses just this side of barking mad; altogether a security nightmare.  But of all these names,  StoPPeRmobile, you are the only one who got himself farked into a nervous breakdown by a missing blonde.  You live quietly from now on.

/Where does one pee around here?
 
2013-08-28 10:36:14 AM

dittybopper: StoPPeRmobile: fatalvenom: Don't have Facebook, and I don't watch TV.

Suck it, NSA.

You're on a different list.

shiat, I wasn't supposed to reveal that information.

Now, I'm on a list.

Thanks Obama.

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Oh, I've got a little list.  You're on it.  Communists, foreign nationals, geniuses just this side of barking mad; altogether a security nightmare.  But of all these names,  StoPPeRmobile, you are the only one who got himself farked into a nervous breakdown by a missing blonde.  You live quietly from now on.

/Where does one pee around here?




:)
 
2013-08-28 05:13:45 PM

dittybopper: They can build up a complex and accurate web of your connections to other people.


Obama says you are overreacting.  Here you can read the government's motion to dismiss the lawsuit brought by ACLU.  ACLU's motion for preliminary injunction is linked above.

Summary

The G argues three points: (1) ACLU has no standing, because ACLU can not allege or prove that it suffered any damages from the collection of its phone metadata, and can not allege or prove that its data was ever responsive to a query; (2) this kind of challenge to FISA implementation can only be brought using the designated appeal process through the FISA appellate board; and (3) the collection is authorized by FISA and is consistent with the Constitution.

Note that the G does not mention the "state secrets" doctrine expressly, but you have the same idea in (1).  The underlying assumption is it would be impossible for ACLU or anyone else to prove an actionable misuse of their data.
 
2013-08-28 09:26:50 PM

StoPPeRmobile: :)


I'd smile like that too, if I was nailing Claire Romilly.
 
2013-08-28 09:33:05 PM

4tehsnowflakes: dittybopper: They can build up a complex and accurate web of your connections to other people.

Obama says you are overreacting.  Here you can read the government's motion to dismiss the lawsuit brought by ACLU.  ACLU's motion for preliminary injunction is linked above.

Summary

The G argues three points: (1) ACLU has no standing, because ACLU can not allege or prove that it suffered any damages from the collection of its phone metadata, and can not allege or prove that its data was ever responsive to a query; (2) this kind of challenge to FISA implementation can only be brought using the designated appeal process through the FISA appellate board; and (3) the collection is authorized by FISA and is consistent with the Constitution.

Note that the G does not mention the "state secrets" doctrine expressly, but you have the same idea in (1).  The underlying assumption is it would be impossible for ACLU or anyone else to prove an actionable misuse of their data.


The problem is, that they've out and out lied about the program's existence in the first place.  So really, they have no legal credibility.

Secondly, the reasoning is circular:  You can't prove you suffered, because you don't know if you've been monitored by the government illegally.  We can't tell you if you've been monitored, because it's classified.  Because it's classified, you can't prove the government violated your rights.  But trust us, we have like a whole court and everything that's looking out for your rights.

But it's classified.
 
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