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2013-08-27 10:24:45 AM  
8 votes:
Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.


Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?
2013-08-27 10:10:15 AM  
4 votes:
That was an awesome thing to do. Kudos to the writer.

But she did get very lucky on one count, though: as intimidating as it looks, making Wolverine-claws with your keys is actually very dangerous to you, and not so much to the other person. If you do a straight punch, the keys will just be pushed back into your fist: not a pleasant sensation for you, and not particularly harmful to your opponent. Slashing with them is even worse: your keys won't be sharp enough to do any damage unless they're brand-new, but they'll be driven back into the webbing between your fingers, and that can cost you the use of your hand. Usually that's temporarily, but in the context a fight there is no such thing as temporary, and especially for an artist, losing your hands even temporarily is a Big Deal.

I do not intend to belittle what she did otherwise. With the sole exception of the key-claws, this is an excellent post, and something that others should imitate if circumstances conspire to put them into that situation. But please, don't make key-claws. That's a safety issue.

If you must use keys as a weapon, there are safer ways to do it. One is simply to hold them lengthwise in your fist, like a roll of quarters instead of like Wolverine-claws, and punch. The weight of the keys will add a little force to your blow. If you actually have a roll of quarters, that's even better -this is called a "ten-dollar punch"- but not so many people carry those around, and even keys will help.

The other option is to have only one key sticking out, held between your thumb and index finger. This is a good, strong hold, unlike between the fingers, and so the key won't have much of a chance to bite back into any part of your hand. If you do this, go for the eyes: keys are not sharp (except for brand-new ones), but that's one part of the body where they don't have to be sharp.
2013-08-27 12:33:49 PM  
3 votes:

bniath: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.


He heard the fight and called security.  He didn't know his mom was still there.  Did you actually read the farking story?
2013-08-27 11:18:32 AM  
3 votes:
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2013-08-27 10:14:21 AM  
3 votes:
FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.
2013-08-27 10:12:25 AM  
3 votes:
But it's weird, there's an open restaurant, a bar and grill, and dozens of apartments buildings, no one else came out.

Kitty Genovese unavailable for comment.

Thankfully, there are some good people around who will intervene when the need arises.
2013-08-27 02:09:11 PM  
2 votes:
Good lord this thread is full of derp.
2013-08-27 12:56:00 PM  
2 votes:
well, to all y'all talking about the uselessness of the key ring wolverine style self defense, maybe it would have been counterproductive in a real fight.  but, this lady probably would not have won a real fight without the king ring defense.  so, same ultimate result, if a fight happened.

however, it gave her enough confidence to think she could stand a chance in a fight, which was probably enough, in this case, to stop a fight from happening.  perception means a lot.  or, more importantly, self deception means a lot.  that's why ever athlete, boxer, soldier, etc thinks they're invincible.  it's a valuable self-deception called confidence.  it won't mean you win anything, but without it, you're probably less effective.
2013-08-27 11:47:31 AM  
2 votes:

grunthos: My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically {1} when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman {2}got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!


{1} ???
{2} stopped reading right there.
2013-08-27 11:00:58 AM  
2 votes:
I wish to point out one possible reason why people didn't necessarily intervene is they could only make out "loud shouting", and it's a college town and students are returning, so... drunks.

I've run out of my apartment a number of times when I thought somewhat might be in distress/injured...a nd it's just drunk assholes being loud. I can see how that might jade someone to stop checking.

/Always gonna keep checking.
2013-08-27 11:00:45 AM  
2 votes:
Actually, the Kitty Genovese story has been partially debunked, at least the whole "38 witnesses and no did anything" part.

Which interested me when I read about it, as the case was taught as fact when I learned about it in college.
Bf+
2013-08-27 10:38:23 AM  
2 votes:

Cybernetic: Kitty Genovese unavailable for comment.
Thankfully, there are some good people around who will intervene when the need arises.


This.
The bystander effect is well documented and fairly well understood.  We could make more heroes/good-people if we trained people on the subject-- It should be taught in public schools regularly.
2013-08-27 10:35:48 AM  
2 votes:
Was anyone else waiting for the part where the author, being duped into a side-alley, is jumped by the couple, beaten and robbed?
2013-08-27 10:30:58 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).


Per the story, security and the police were called within minutes of each other. The police took an hour more to arrive. Looks like security was the correct choice for a quick response.
2013-08-27 08:35:10 PM  
1 votes:

s1ugg0: No real self defense class teaches that.


Yes, they do.

At the women's center I volunteer at, we have a self defense course.  One example: If you are grabbed from behind... start by stomping your heel down on his toes.  Then try and aim an elbow at his neck/face.  If that hasn't gotten you free, put your foot against the inside of his knee and push it out until you hear it crack.  If you have keys, use them.  If you have a ball point pen, put it in his neck.  If you have pepper spray, throw it away, it's farking worthless.  As soon as you get free, RUN.  (this is where the class diverges a bit, the usual instructor is a cop and stops there, the "volunteers" take over)  Now that you have him on the ground, stomp on his neck, break his legs, gouge his eyes out and THEN run.

Your life or his, pick one.  Those are the only two options that exist if you are being attacked, and acting like it's otherwise is stupid beyond belief.

I don't know where you are getting your info, but it's basically just wrong.  Either from the instructor, or from you, it doesn't matter.  You fight for your life, and you use what you have.  Period.  If you teach anything else, you teach failure.
2013-08-27 08:31:22 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, Gail Simone is awesome. I've loved her work since Birds of Prey, and Sinister Six was awesome until Nu52 came along and cancelled it. I follow her on Tumblr, and she followed me back after I dropped $100 at a comic store she was trying to help stay open.
2013-08-27 02:43:06 PM  
1 votes:

Have_Brain: Every character in her fantasy is flat/one dimensional/purely awesome or evil.


You're breaking up a fight with some guy who runs off when the cops are called---how much depth or complexity can you really give his character when you recount the facts of what happened?

Of course he'll come across as purely bad, and someone who shows up to stop him will be purely awesome:  you only know these people from their role in instigating and stopping a beating.  What kind of embellishment were you expecting, exactly?

You're essentially arguing that a real life event is fake because it isn't described with a depth that is suitably convincing for fictional characters.  You're arguing that this is fake because it isn't like a novel.
2013-08-27 02:21:45 PM  
1 votes:

s1ugg0: If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.


This. I'm as manly as the next guy, but I wouldn't put money on myself making it out of a clean fight intact. I'll be going for the cheap shots as soon as I see them to take the wind out of the other guy.
2013-08-27 02:04:23 PM  
1 votes:

Xcott: I think people are calling BS because it doesn't make sense to an ITG for her son to stay back and phone for help while his mom is in danger


Then people should read more carefully before calling BS. It may be, but that is not a reason.

He did not know his mom was involved at all until he went down. They had parted ways, he was in his dorm room, she at her car when she heard the yelling. This is made clear in a couple places:

"What I don't know is that my son, in his room on the third floor, has heard the shouting and is looking for the number for the complex's security."
"My son can't find the security number and he's worried some girl is being hurt, so he runs down out of his apartment, and he sees I am still there and he runs over, and now there are three of us."

So her son didn't "stay back while his mom was in danger".
2013-08-27 01:12:02 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Rwa2play: FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Maybe he didn't get anything from his new girlfriend. but knows his ex gives it out on the first date.


And? They took a break from each other.  Are they married?  No.  She or He want to put out, that's their business.
2013-08-27 01:00:11 PM  
1 votes:
She turned to us and said, "I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?"

I got $10 says she's back with him within a week.
2013-08-27 12:55:02 PM  
1 votes:

mike_d85: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

Not really.  A mom visiting her son would likely intervene and the other guy just stood there.  He left because he had to be somewhere which means he likely was walking to his car and stumbled into the middle of it.  And of course son will try and call security if mom is out getting into a fist-fight in the parking lot.


I think (hope) I would grab a stabby object and get to the parking lot ASAP. You can call 911 later. Not gonna let anyone beat on my mom.
2013-08-27 12:32:38 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-08-27 12:32:26 PM  
1 votes:

MisterEZ: I don't believe this story. Not one bit.


Yeah. Women always lie, am I right?

Can't believe a woman who witnessed an event, or the girl who was attacked. It would be like treating them like full fledged human people

/WTF, are you insane? Sexism doesn't win you macho points.
2013-08-27 12:01:37 PM  
1 votes:

nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.


Not really.  A mom visiting her son would likely intervene and the other guy just stood there.  He left because he had to be somewhere which means he likely was walking to his car and stumbled into the middle of it.  And of course son will try and call security if mom is out getting into a fist-fight in the parking lot.
2013-08-27 12:01:21 PM  
1 votes:

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Because women are allowed to objectify men, while men are only allowed to smile, nod, and apologize for objectifying women.

/and if you think otherwise, you're a misogynist
2013-08-27 11:55:35 AM  
1 votes:
Millennium, s1ugg0 , and nitefallz are all correct.

If you are arguing or making snide comments with/about their posts, you look quite stupid to me.
2013-08-27 11:44:06 AM  
1 votes:
"I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?"

Red flag.
2013-08-27 11:32:46 AM  
1 votes:
Son did the right thing trying to call campus security, but while he searched for the number, should've called 911.  At my son's school, they are real cops, with real guns and their response time is 5 minutes or less.  Also, calling 911 from a land line routes you to the appropriate police department.  It is not stated in TFA if the abused woman, who got the cops on the phone, called the full number for the local police or dialed 911. Your results may vary when dialing 911 from a cell phone, and you might not get the nearest PD.
2013-08-27 11:19:02 AM  
1 votes:

IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.



As someone with a lot of fist-punching experience I'd have to say that ideally you may be correct, but realistically you're 100% wrong.  Landing the "perfect" punch in a real fight is almost impossible to do.
2013-08-27 10:52:54 AM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.


Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.
2013-08-27 10:51:17 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu
2013-08-27 10:45:30 AM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org
Would like to have a word with guys who think it's cool to beat up women.
2013-08-27 10:43:33 AM  
1 votes:
Her son is a farking moron.  Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.
2013-08-27 10:30:14 AM  
1 votes:

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Yep. Men don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. There are plenty of people, men or otherwise, who think and act like the rules don't apply to them.
2013-08-27 10:22:32 AM  
1 votes:
It's nice to read a hero story where everyone reacted rationally and no macho bullsh*t that gets people hurt.  But I'd also like to second Millennium'spoint.  The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.  No real self defense class teaches that.  If you have no experience fighting your number one priority should be avoid a violent encounter.  If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.  A bare knuckle punch to someone's head is almost guaranteed to break your hand.

And definitely do not try to stand there like a boxer and trade blows.  A good punch in the face or head will leave you fuzzy and unable to focus.  Your eyes will begin to water and you will not be able to fight effectively.  It won't hurt badly until later but your fighting effectiveness will go down quickly.   It takes a lot of training to take a shot in the face and keep fighting.  But take note that even professional boxers are constantly bobbing and weaving to avoid a clean shot to the head.
2013-08-27 10:19:12 AM  
1 votes:
Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).
 
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