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2013-08-27 10:10:15 AM  
That was an awesome thing to do. Kudos to the writer.

But she did get very lucky on one count, though: as intimidating as it looks, making Wolverine-claws with your keys is actually very dangerous to you, and not so much to the other person. If you do a straight punch, the keys will just be pushed back into your fist: not a pleasant sensation for you, and not particularly harmful to your opponent. Slashing with them is even worse: your keys won't be sharp enough to do any damage unless they're brand-new, but they'll be driven back into the webbing between your fingers, and that can cost you the use of your hand. Usually that's temporarily, but in the context a fight there is no such thing as temporary, and especially for an artist, losing your hands even temporarily is a Big Deal.

I do not intend to belittle what she did otherwise. With the sole exception of the key-claws, this is an excellent post, and something that others should imitate if circumstances conspire to put them into that situation. But please, don't make key-claws. That's a safety issue.

If you must use keys as a weapon, there are safer ways to do it. One is simply to hold them lengthwise in your fist, like a roll of quarters instead of like Wolverine-claws, and punch. The weight of the keys will add a little force to your blow. If you actually have a roll of quarters, that's even better -this is called a "ten-dollar punch"- but not so many people carry those around, and even keys will help.

The other option is to have only one key sticking out, held between your thumb and index finger. This is a good, strong hold, unlike between the fingers, and so the key won't have much of a chance to bite back into any part of your hand. If you do this, go for the eyes: keys are not sharp (except for brand-new ones), but that's one part of the body where they don't have to be sharp.
 
2013-08-27 10:10:29 AM  
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2013-08-27 10:12:25 AM  
But it's weird, there's an open restaurant, a bar and grill, and dozens of apartments buildings, no one else came out.

Kitty Genovese unavailable for comment.

Thankfully, there are some good people around who will intervene when the need arises.
 
2013-08-27 10:14:21 AM  
FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.
 
2013-08-27 10:19:12 AM  
Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).
 
2013-08-27 10:20:00 AM  
Cool story, bro!
 
2013-08-27 10:20:40 AM  
Special Olympians are the REAL heroes.
I'm gonna give 'em everything I've got.
 
2013-08-27 10:22:32 AM  
It's nice to read a hero story where everyone reacted rationally and no macho bullsh*t that gets people hurt.  But I'd also like to second Millennium'spoint.  The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.  No real self defense class teaches that.  If you have no experience fighting your number one priority should be avoid a violent encounter.  If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.  A bare knuckle punch to someone's head is almost guaranteed to break your hand.

And definitely do not try to stand there like a boxer and trade blows.  A good punch in the face or head will leave you fuzzy and unable to focus.  Your eyes will begin to water and you will not be able to fight effectively.  It won't hurt badly until later but your fighting effectiveness will go down quickly.   It takes a lot of training to take a shot in the face and keep fighting.  But take note that even professional boxers are constantly bobbing and weaving to avoid a clean shot to the head.
 
2013-08-27 10:24:45 AM  
Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.


Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?
 
2013-08-27 10:26:54 AM  

s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.


No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:14 AM  

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Yep. Men don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. There are plenty of people, men or otherwise, who think and act like the rules don't apply to them.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:58 AM  

feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).


Per the story, security and the police were called within minutes of each other. The police took an hour more to arrive. Looks like security was the correct choice for a quick response.
 
2013-08-27 10:31:10 AM  

s1ugg0: It's nice to read a hero story where everyone reacted rationally and no macho bullsh*t that gets people hurt.  But I'd also like to second Millennium'spoint.  The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.  No real self defense class teaches that.  If you have no experience fighting your number one priority should be avoid a violent encounter.  If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.  A bare knuckle punch to someone's head is almost guaranteed to break your hand.

And definitely do not try to stand there like a boxer and trade blows.  A good punch in the face or head will leave you fuzzy and unable to focus.  Your eyes will begin to water and you will not be able to fight effectively.  It won't hurt badly until later but your fighting effectiveness will go down quickly.   It takes a lot of training to take a shot in the face and keep fighting.  But take note that even professional boxers are constantly bobbing and weaving to avoid a clean shot to the head.


This post is a good mix of Ric Romero and facepalm. Please give a rebuttal on how you can counter a triangle choke by biting the penis and your martial art is TEH DEADLY.
 
2013-08-27 10:32:46 AM  

feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).


Thankfully we're trying to outlaw firearm possession.
 
2013-08-27 10:34:28 AM  

Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.


Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.
 
2013-08-27 10:35:48 AM  
Was anyone else waiting for the part where the author, being duped into a side-alley, is jumped by the couple, beaten and robbed?
 
2013-08-27 10:37:20 AM  

Doom MD: This post is a good mix of Ric Romero and facepalm. Please give a rebuttal on how you can counter a triangle choke by biting the penis and your martial art is TEH DEADLY.


You took my post entirely in the wrong direction.  I have absolutely no illusions about the chances of an untrained person against a determined attacker.
 
Bf+
2013-08-27 10:38:23 AM  

Cybernetic: Kitty Genovese unavailable for comment.
Thankfully, there are some good people around who will intervene when the need arises.


This.
The bystander effect is well documented and fairly well understood.  We could make more heroes/good-people if we trained people on the subject-- It should be taught in public schools regularly.
 
2013-08-27 10:40:30 AM  
 

Rwa2play: FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.


Maybe he didn't get anything from his new girlfriend. but knows his ex gives it out on the first date.
 
2013-08-27 10:43:33 AM  
Her son is a farking moron.  Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.
 
2013-08-27 10:45:30 AM  
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Would like to have a word with guys who think it's cool to beat up women.
 
2013-08-27 10:46:19 AM  

s1ugg0: No real self defense class teaches that.


Thank goodness you took them all, or else you wouldn't be able to share that knowledge.

But seriously, it's a good thing the Internet has so many martial arts experts with first-hand experience in hand-to-hand combat.  Otherwise I could only get my self-defense tips from a bunch of computer nerds who could only consult their Palladium RPG sourcebooks.
 
2013-08-27 10:51:17 AM  
FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu
 
2013-08-27 10:52:54 AM  

Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.


Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.
 
2013-08-27 10:53:30 AM  

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Cut it out, dude, he's TRYING to get laid.
 
2013-08-27 10:54:37 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu


static.comicvine.com

/would like to try your Wu Tang style.
 
2013-08-27 10:58:42 AM  

mike_d85: Okinawa shuri-te


Let me just google that for you.

Oh hey, check that shiat out.  It's legit.  It's like there's multiple styles within multiple disciplines.
 
2013-08-27 10:58:43 AM  
A friend of mine was in line at a coffee shop this week when he witnessed someone steal a girl's phone and run out. He looked around, saw that no one was reacting so he took action. He ran after the guy, tripped him, the guy dropped the phone as he fell then ran off. My friend returned the phone to the girl and got back in line.

In a perfect world, we would all react like that when something happened. Unfortunately, in this day and age with most people living in cities with little sense of community or looking out for one's neighbour, we don't get involved because it's "not my business" or "someone else will take care of it." Many of us also have a strong sense of self-preservation and don't want to get involved in a potentially dangerous situation.
 
2013-08-27 10:59:32 AM  

s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.


Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.
 
2013-08-27 11:00:45 AM  
Actually, the Kitty Genovese story has been partially debunked, at least the whole "38 witnesses and no did anything" part.

Which interested me when I read about it, as the case was taught as fact when I learned about it in college.
 
2013-08-27 11:00:52 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu


I'm only a mint belt, but with enough practice, I might one day make it to teal.
 
2013-08-27 11:00:58 AM  
I wish to point out one possible reason why people didn't necessarily intervene is they could only make out "loud shouting", and it's a college town and students are returning, so... drunks.

I've run out of my apartment a number of times when I thought somewhat might be in distress/injured...a nd it's just drunk assholes being loud. I can see how that might jade someone to stop checking.

/Always gonna keep checking.
 
2013-08-27 11:04:28 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.

Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.


The police took their time because, at the point when they were called, there was no emergency. If her son had called 911 and said a woman was being attacked, I would hope the police would have showed up a bit quicker.
 
2013-08-27 11:18:32 AM  
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2013-08-27 11:19:02 AM  

IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.



As someone with a lot of fist-punching experience I'd have to say that ideally you may be correct, but realistically you're 100% wrong.  Landing the "perfect" punch in a real fight is almost impossible to do.
 
2013-08-27 11:19:54 AM  
Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.
 
2013-08-27 11:24:48 AM  
It's not fun inserting yourself into those situations to be the peacekeeper. Whoever said don't use the keys that way is right; use elbows and knees. And consider seeing a therapist immediately.
 
2013-08-27 11:27:28 AM  

RockofAges: nitefallz: IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.


As someone with a lot of fist-punching experience I'd have to say that ideally you may be correct, but realistically you're 100% wrong.  Landing the "perfect" punch in a real fight is almost impossible to do.

Landing the perfect punch may not be possible in a real fight (except for that sucker punches are the best way to begin / end a fight), but making a proper fist is 100% possible all of the time, and if you are making a proper fist, you won't be hitting jack shiat except with those knuckles.


This is simply not true.  You're telling me that with the proper form you're always going to land the punch dead center on target, not slip, or miss, or catch either edge of your entire fist?

You know how I know you've never been in a fight?
 
2013-08-27 11:29:43 AM  
The numbers are pretty much what helped.

At that point the two people she was with could have been... .anyone. As long as the assailant was suddenly looking at 3 witnesses and condemnation it would have had the same effect. imho.

Still - the recurring themes in this thread are largely correct.

1) Unless you have a weapon on your keys, your keys are not a weapon. (get a yawara or something if you really feel you need something like that. Or pepper spray... depending on your local laws).
2) Call the actual police. - Caveat - In the state I live, New York, if you're on a SUNY School and you call "Campus Police" you will get people with uniforms that say that. However, they are State Police (Campus Police is really more of their assignment). I have no idea who U of O use as their campus police. So what they were doing might have made sense in NY. After all, they'd just call the State University in question... still... when it comes from dispatch it's probably a hell of a lot quicker.
3) Get involved and bring friends.

/just my two cents.
 
2013-08-27 11:32:46 AM  
Son did the right thing trying to call campus security, but while he searched for the number, should've called 911.  At my son's school, they are real cops, with real guns and their response time is 5 minutes or less.  Also, calling 911 from a land line routes you to the appropriate police department.  It is not stated in TFA if the abused woman, who got the cops on the phone, called the full number for the local police or dialed 911. Your results may vary when dialing 911 from a cell phone, and you might not get the nearest PD.
 
2013-08-27 11:40:51 AM  

Honest Bender: thurstonxhowell: Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.

Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.

The police took their time because, at the point when they were called, there was no emergency. If her son had called 911 and said a woman was being attacked, I would hope the police would have showed up a bit quicker.


This.

Calls to 911 are assigned priority based on the situation.  The victim calling and saying "someone attempted to rape me but I am safe now" is a different priority than a witness saying "A woman is being raped in the alleyway outside my apartment RIGHT NOW."  I understand the point of the author that the guy could come back with a gun but you need to frame the situation appropriately.

"I was just nearly raped, the perpetrator is sitting here glaring at me and I am terrified for my life now and I don't feel safe at home.  I do not have a safe place to go"

Felgraf: I wish to point out one possible reason why people didn't necessarily intervene is they could only make out "loud shouting", and it's a college town and students are returning, so... drunks.

I've run out of my apartment a number of times when I thought somewhat might be in distress/injured...a nd it's just drunk assholes being loud. I can see how that might jade someone to stop checking.

/Always gonna keep checking.


This as well.

If I see two people fighting or hear screaming, I'll look in that direction but I am not going to play Robocop unless it is clear something bad is happening.  Hell, I wouldn't want to intervene on two people fighting unless its obvious something is amiss, like a very one sided fight or female/children involved.

CSB
Sitting in a Starbucks waiting for someone, I was near the alleyway next to the store because I could see the cars pulling in easier.  I hear footsteps in the alleyway and a scuffle, I can see two people fighting.  Not wanting to get involved, I started to turn around when I heard one of them yell "Help I am an undercover police officer!"

Its nice to have the police thank YOU for a change
/CSB
 
2013-08-27 11:42:10 AM  
My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!
 
2013-08-27 11:42:43 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu


Mijiz Bakhatsu Face !
 
2013-08-27 11:44:06 AM  
"I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?"

Red flag.
 
2013-08-27 11:47:31 AM  

grunthos: My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically {1} when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman {2}got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!


{1} ???
{2} stopped reading right there.
 
2013-08-27 11:53:21 AM  
I don't believe this story. Not one bit.
 
2013-08-27 11:55:35 AM  
Millennium, s1ugg0 , and nitefallz are all correct.

If you are arguing or making snide comments with/about their posts, you look quite stupid to me.
 
2013-08-27 11:55:55 AM  
Researcher:

1) Unless you have a weapon on your keys, your keys are not a weapon. (get a yawara or something if you really feel you need something like that. Or pepper spray... depending on your local laws).

I see the point behind doing this, but I always strongly advise anyone I know who has pepper spray on a keychain or in their purse to leave it at home.  If someone who is untrained in pepper spray uses it on an attacker that is close to them, both will become incapacitated especially in a small space like a car or alleyway.  Not a good situation to be in especially if the assailant can recover from the spray faster than you.

The police, when training with pepper spray, are required to have their eyes opened by hand and sprayed so they can know the effects and be somewhat used to them.  If you have never been sprayed before, it is really nasty stuff and will bring you to the ground.  Takes the fight right out of you.  IMO, if it is legal, I suggest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_%28law_enforcement%29#Expandable_ ba ton

for a personal defense weapon.  One swing of the metal ball to a person's kneecap and they'll never dance ballet again!

/Been sprayed
//Cried like a little girl watching bambi for the first time
 
2013-08-27 11:57:20 AM  

nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.


So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.
 
2013-08-27 11:59:23 AM  

bniath: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.


Gail Simone is an attention junkie.
 
2013-08-27 12:00:58 PM  
Sonny boy needs to learn that the first thing you do in any new dorm/apartment/house is program your phone with all relevant emergency numbers.  That way in, say, an EMERGENCY you're not stuck holding your dick while searching for a number.
 
2013-08-27 12:01:21 PM  

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Because women are allowed to objectify men, while men are only allowed to smile, nod, and apologize for objectifying women.

/and if you think otherwise, you're a misogynist
 
2013-08-27 12:01:37 PM  

nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.


Not really.  A mom visiting her son would likely intervene and the other guy just stood there.  He left because he had to be somewhere which means he likely was walking to his car and stumbled into the middle of it.  And of course son will try and call security if mom is out getting into a fist-fight in the parking lot.
 
2013-08-27 12:23:29 PM  

dj_spanmaster: grunthos: My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically {1} when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman {2}got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!

{1} ???
{2} stopped reading right there.


1. Yes, words are hard...see below
2.If the words are too big, maybe you can find someone to help you sound them out?
 
2013-08-27 12:25:23 PM  
Trigger warning? fark you.
 
2013-08-27 12:32:26 PM  

MisterEZ: I don't believe this story. Not one bit.


Yeah. Women always lie, am I right?

Can't believe a woman who witnessed an event, or the girl who was attacked. It would be like treating them like full fledged human people

/WTF, are you insane? Sexism doesn't win you macho points.
 
2013-08-27 12:32:38 PM  
www.writeups.org
 
2013-08-27 12:33:49 PM  

bniath: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.


He heard the fight and called security.  He didn't know his mom was still there.  Did you actually read the farking story?
 
2013-08-27 12:44:08 PM  
Good story.

She's still a horrible, pandering, attention whore of a comic book writer.
 
2013-08-27 12:45:44 PM  
I've been trained to fight.... ON THE INTERNET!!!
 
2013-08-27 12:49:42 PM  

RockofAges: IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.

The best lesson to teach untrained individuals in terms of fighting is:

1) learn to hit things with your elbows and knees, really hard. Far less chance of getting a limb trapped, loss of power due to crap technique, etc.

2) avoid fights wherever possible, by common sense, fast talking, or evasion.

3) there's no such thing as a fair fight


Much better advice:  If you are worried about physical confrontations start taking BJJ classes.  I don't care how bad-ass of a woman you think you are an enraged guy that wants to beat you takes an enormous amount of damage to stop.  You are much better off learning how to defend yourself with a style that works well when you are undersized and/or weaker than your opponent.
 
2013-08-27 12:50:28 PM  

KhamanV: bniath: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.

He heard the fight and called security.  He didn't know his mom was still there.  Did you actually read the farking story?


I read most of it.  Does that mean it's real?  I mean it IS on the internet after all. Guess I'm wrong.
 
2013-08-27 12:55:02 PM  

mike_d85: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

Not really.  A mom visiting her son would likely intervene and the other guy just stood there.  He left because he had to be somewhere which means he likely was walking to his car and stumbled into the middle of it.  And of course son will try and call security if mom is out getting into a fist-fight in the parking lot.


I think (hope) I would grab a stabby object and get to the parking lot ASAP. You can call 911 later. Not gonna let anyone beat on my mom.
 
2013-08-27 12:56:00 PM  
well, to all y'all talking about the uselessness of the key ring wolverine style self defense, maybe it would have been counterproductive in a real fight.  but, this lady probably would not have won a real fight without the king ring defense.  so, same ultimate result, if a fight happened.

however, it gave her enough confidence to think she could stand a chance in a fight, which was probably enough, in this case, to stop a fight from happening.  perception means a lot.  or, more importantly, self deception means a lot.  that's why ever athlete, boxer, soldier, etc thinks they're invincible.  it's a valuable self-deception called confidence.  it won't mean you win anything, but without it, you're probably less effective.
 
2013-08-27 01:00:11 PM  
She turned to us and said, "I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?"

I got $10 says she's back with him within a week.
 
2013-08-27 01:09:55 PM  

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Fafai: Yep. Men don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. There are plenty of people, men or otherwise, who think and act like the rules don't apply to them.


No, but it seems that most single men and some women feel entitled to do what they want after a break or a break-up.

Mentalpatient87: Cut it out, dude, he's TRYING to get laid.


Now I know why you call yourself a mental patient.
 
2013-08-27 01:12:02 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Rwa2play: FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Maybe he didn't get anything from his new girlfriend. but knows his ex gives it out on the first date.


And? They took a break from each other.  Are they married?  No.  She or He want to put out, that's their business.
 
2013-08-27 01:12:27 PM  

aendeuryu: "I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?" Red flag.

Madman drummers bummers: She turned to us and said, "I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?" I got $10 says she's back with him within a week.


Depends on tone and context. But yeah, unless it was said jokingly or sarcastically, that girl is destined for a worse beating in the future. However, given the author's general positive opinion of the girl's judgment, I took it that way.
 
2013-08-27 01:17:16 PM  

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


I have the same situation. I've been with a wonderful man for 37 years, we've been faithful to each other our whole lives. He has never been anything but kind a loving to me. I certainly do not lump all men together. But statistically, the most danger a woman faces in her life is from the men in her life. A comedian, I'm thinking Louis CK but I could be wrong, has a bit about this very thing, that women are in more danger from men than from cancer, heart attacks, etc., and wonders why women are so accepting of this, "Well, that one sure sucked. I hope the next one is better," instead of swearing off men altogether.
 
2013-08-27 01:20:53 PM  

s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.


If your ring is in the way you are punching the bag wrong. You should be striking with your knuckles, not the flat finger bones. Of course if we're talking a Tiffany setting then those tend to stick up higher than the knuckle. Otherwise a standard band shouldn't get in the way.


/never had a problem with my ring even getting bent out of shape
//learn to strike better
///avoid having to strike to begin with
 
2013-08-27 01:23:53 PM  

pute kisses like a man: however, it gave her enough confidence to think she could stand a chance in a fight, which was probably enough, in this case, to stop a fight from happening. perception means a lot. or, more importantly, self deception means a lot.


Overconfidence is also a good way to get your face caved in if the guy was a real psychotic, and there are a lot of them out there. This story was *this close* to being a personal tragedy for the author.

She was brave, and it worked out, but I wouldn't want my mother to do such a thing.
 
2013-08-27 01:27:50 PM  

s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.


Have you ever been in a real fight? You're not punching a heavy bag. You're taught to scrap and stab with keys, not punch with them. I mean, c'mon, man.
 
2013-08-27 01:29:22 PM  

nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.


This. So much this.
 
2013-08-27 01:30:13 PM  

The Southern Logic Company: CSB
Sitting in a Starbucks waiting for someone, I was near the alleyway next to the store because I could see the cars pulling in easier. I hear footsteps in the alleyway and a scuffle, I can see two people fighting. Not wanting to get involved, I started to turn around when I heard one of them yell "Help I am an undercover police officer!"

Its nice to have the police thank YOU for a change
/CSB


It's funny.  This one time I was mugging this guy in an alleyway near a Starbucks, and when the guy I was mugging started beating me up I yelled, "Help I am an undercover police officer!" and some guy helped me get this guy's wallet.
 
2013-08-27 01:31:54 PM  

ReverendJynxed: /never had a problem with my ring even getting bent out of shape


If your ring got bent you are obviously punching wrong. ;)


Are you punching "experts" being obtuse on purpose, or is it lack of real experience/ideological thinking?

/try a tungsten steel ring
//you will take it off
 
2013-08-27 01:36:29 PM  

robohobo: Good story.

She's still a horrible, pandering, attention whore of a comic book writer.


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"Yer talking gibberish."
 
2013-08-27 01:36:49 PM  

Zombie DJ: Have you ever been in a real fight? You're not punching a heavy bag. You're taught to scrap and stab with keys, not punch with them. I mean, c'mon, man.



So I take it you've "scrap and stab with keys" in a real fight?
 
2013-08-27 01:45:49 PM  

Have_Brain: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

This. So much this.




Really? Why? Are there pixels I'm not seeing?
 
2013-08-27 01:53:35 PM  

Kazrath: RockofAges: IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.

The best lesson to teach untrained individuals in terms of fighting is:

1) learn to hit things with your elbows and knees, really hard. Far less chance of getting a limb trapped, loss of power due to crap technique, etc.

2) avoid fights wherever possible, by common sense, fast talking, or evasion.

3) there's no such thing as a fair fight

Much better advice:  If you are worried about physical confrontations start taking BJJ classes.  I don't care how bad-ass of a woman you think you are an enraged guy that wants to beat you takes an enormous amount of damage to stop.  You are much better off learning how to defend yourself with a style that works well when you are undersized and/or weaker than your opponent.


Totally agree, if I was raging and about to beat the hell out of somebody, a BJ would totally calm me right the fark down.
 
2013-08-27 01:57:48 PM  

eldritch2k4: feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).

Per the story, security and the police were called within minutes of each other. The police took an hour more to arrive. Looks like security was the correct choice for a quick response.


The story doesn't say a thing about 911. When I call 911 about someone beating a woman or a woman being chased by an attacker they show up quite quickly where I live. (not that have ever called for that, but they get there within 2 minutes if you call when you see a store being robbed so I would assume they are of the same priority).

What the people in the story did to keep the cowardly attacker away from the young woman was indeed commendable, but I would have called 911, let the cops get there right away and sort it out. 911 is appropriate in these types of situations - not when your cable goes out like some boneheads in CT did last week.
 
2013-08-27 01:57:52 PM  

INeedAName: Have_Brain: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

This. So much this.

Really? Why? Are there pixels I'm not seeing?


I think people are calling BS because it doesn't make sense to an ITG for her son to stay back and phone for help while his mom is in danger---instead of going outside and taking out the assailant with the eclectic JKD/Moo Gi Gong style he mastered from contributing extensively to the rec.sports.martial-arts FAQ and working out numerous combat situations on hex paper in both D20 and classic melee rules.
 
2013-08-27 01:59:15 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.

Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.


And sat in their truck. You're comparing apples to oranges. Had they called the police at the time the attack was in progress they probably would have arrived quickly. When they were called to a situation where campus security already had it under control there is no need to rush.
 
2013-08-27 02:02:17 PM  
So there's a hoodie part of town in Eugene, OR?
 
2013-08-27 02:04:23 PM  

Xcott: I think people are calling BS because it doesn't make sense to an ITG for her son to stay back and phone for help while his mom is in danger


Then people should read more carefully before calling BS. It may be, but that is not a reason.

He did not know his mom was involved at all until he went down. They had parted ways, he was in his dorm room, she at her car when she heard the yelling. This is made clear in a couple places:

"What I don't know is that my son, in his room on the third floor, has heard the shouting and is looking for the number for the complex's security."
"My son can't find the security number and he's worried some girl is being hurt, so he runs down out of his apartment, and he sees I am still there and he runs over, and now there are three of us."

So her son didn't "stay back while his mom was in danger".
 
2013-08-27 02:09:11 PM  
Good lord this thread is full of derp.
 
2013-08-27 02:10:25 PM  

feckingmorons: eldritch2k4: feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).

Per the story, security and the police were called within minutes of each other. The police took an hour more to arrive. Looks like security was the correct choice for a quick response.

The story doesn't say a thing about 911. When I call 911 about someone beating a woman or a woman being chased by an attacker they show up quite quickly where I live. (not that have ever called for that, but they get there within 2 minutes if you call when you see a store being robbed so I would assume they are of the same priority).

What the people in the story did to keep the cowardly attacker away from the young woman was indeed commendable, but I would have called 911, let the cops get there right away and sort it out. 911 is appropriate in these types of situations - not when your cable goes out like some boneheads in CT did last week.


The story does say a thing about 911:

"The girl wanted to call the cops, good for her, and I gave her my phone to do it. The abusive guy went to get her purse, and then was trying to hand it to her, I told him absolutely not, give ME the purse and I'll give it to her. He was clearly infuriated, but he was trying to play Mr. I'm So Sorry. I took her purse, but she already had the cops on my phone."
 
2013-08-27 02:19:57 PM  

FarkinHostile: pute kisses like a man: however, it gave her enough confidence to think she could stand a chance in a fight, which was probably enough, in this case, to stop a fight from happening. perception means a lot. or, more importantly, self deception means a lot.

Overconfidence is also a good way to get your face caved in if the guy was a real psychotic, and there are a lot of them out there. This story was *this close* to being a personal tragedy for the author.

She was brave, and it worked out, but I wouldn't want my mother to do such a thing.


yeah, i probably should have bolded and underlined  "in this case"
 
2013-08-27 02:21:45 PM  

s1ugg0: If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.


This. I'm as manly as the next guy, but I wouldn't put money on myself making it out of a clean fight intact. I'll be going for the cheap shots as soon as I see them to take the wind out of the other guy.
 
2013-08-27 02:28:39 PM  

grunthos: dj_spanmaster: grunthos: My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically {1} when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman {2}got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!

{1} ???
{2} stopped reading right there.

1. Yes, words are hard...see below
2.If the words are too big, maybe you can find someone to help you sound them out?


You misunderstand. The problem is not vocabulary, the problem is your feeble attempt to either justify Zimmerman's actions, or troll. Now go away before I taunt you a second time.
 
2013-08-27 02:30:53 PM  

INeedAName: Have_Brain: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

This. So much this.

Really? Why? Are there pixels I'm not seeing?


Because when people tell stories about THEMSELF being an awesome hero on the internet, they are always BS.

Every character in her fantasy is flat/one dimensional/purely awesome or evil. And her story telling is awful. Something probably did happen that night, 99% of it in her head.

But if you want to believe her, that's cool. I can forward some emails people like you constantly send me with similar heroics, grand acts of charity, or miraculous coincidence s.
 
2013-08-27 02:32:49 PM  

FarkinHostile: Overconfidence is also a good way to get your face caved in if the guy was a real psychotic, and there are a lot of them out there. This story was *this close* to being a personal tragedy for the author.


If he was a psychotic, wouldn't he leave you alone and start punching the self-transforming machine elves popping out of his skin and clothing?

I think you meant to say "psychopath."
 
2013-08-27 02:43:06 PM  

Have_Brain: Every character in her fantasy is flat/one dimensional/purely awesome or evil.


You're breaking up a fight with some guy who runs off when the cops are called---how much depth or complexity can you really give his character when you recount the facts of what happened?

Of course he'll come across as purely bad, and someone who shows up to stop him will be purely awesome:  you only know these people from their role in instigating and stopping a beating.  What kind of embellishment were you expecting, exactly?

You're essentially arguing that a real life event is fake because it isn't described with a depth that is suitably convincing for fictional characters.  You're arguing that this is fake because it isn't like a novel.
 
2013-08-27 02:52:42 PM  
Xcott:

If he was a psychotic, wouldn't he leave you alone and start punching the self-transforming machine elves popping out of his skin and clothing?

I think you meant to say "psychopath."


If you want to be really pedantic about it, anger and impulse control issues, anti-social personality disorder, borderline personality disorder or Intermittent explosive disorder would be more accurate, too. Hell, throw in bi-polar as well. Still, it's common usage and the point was made.

Psychotics and schizophrenics attack real people all the time, btw.  Psychopaths can be quite controlled if it suits them and is to their advantage. That is why there are so many of them in politics and CEO positions.
 
2013-08-27 03:05:37 PM  

Xcott: Have_Brain: Every character in her fantasy is flat/one dimensional/purely awesome or evil.

You're breaking up a fight with some guy who runs off when the cops are called---how much depth or complexity can you really give his character when you recount the facts of what happened?

Of course he'll come across as purely bad, and someone who shows up to stop him will be purely awesome:  you only know these people from their role in instigating and stopping a beating.  What kind of embellishment were you expecting, exactly?

You're essentially arguing that a real life event is fake because it isn't described with a depth that is suitably convincing for fictional characters.  You're arguing that this is fake because it isn't like a novel.


I thought there was depth. I recall reading about where the attacker lived. Her son's living situation. The victim's relationship history. Why she was in town. The kindly stranger's brown belt & how he didn't use his deadly training though a lesser person would have.
Hey, it could be true. Fair enough. But let me put it differently.

An older lady with a key ring and a guy who tells strangers he has a brown belt, but only uses those skills in self defense, stop a guy from continuing to beat up a girl who miracously escaped from the dark alley where he was beating her up, losing her shoes in the process. Kind of like a bad horror movie. And while authorities & others are alerted to what is happening, she is the only one making any kind of deal about it.

We can just disagree.
 
2013-08-27 03:11:45 PM  

Xcott: Have_Brain: Every character in her fantasy is flat/one dimensional/purely awesome or evil.

You're breaking up a fight with some guy who runs off when the cops are called---how much depth or complexity can you really give his character when you recount the facts of what happened?

Of course he'll come across as purely bad, and someone who shows up to stop him will be purely awesome:  you only know these people from their role in instigating and stopping a beating.  What kind of embellishment were you expecting, exactly?

You're essentially arguing that a real life event is fake because it isn't described with a depth that is suitably convincing for fictional characters.  You're arguing that this is fake because it isn't like a novel.


That isn't what I am arguing. I cited that as one reason I didn't believe the story.

Are you arguing that this story is a real life event because you read it on the internet?
 
2013-08-27 03:18:53 PM  

dotvincent: feckingmorons: eldritch2k4: feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).

Per the story, security and the police were called within minutes of each other. The police took an hour more to arrive. Looks like security was the correct choice for a quick response.

The story doesn't say a thing about 911. When I call 911 about someone beating a woman or a woman being chased by an attacker they show up quite quickly where I live. (not that have ever called for that, but they get there within 2 minutes if you call when you see a store being robbed so I would assume they are of the same priority).

What the people in the story did to keep the cowardly attacker away from the young woman was indeed commendable, but I would have called 911, let the cops get there right away and sort it out. 911 is appropriate in these types of situations - not when your cable goes out like some boneheads in CT did last week.

The story does say a thing about 911:

"The girl wanted to call the cops, good for her, and I gave her my phone to do it. The abusive guy went to get her purse, and then was trying to hand it to her, I told him absolutely not, give ME the purse and I'll give it to her. He was clearly infuriated, but he was trying to play Mr. I'm So Sorry. I took her purse, but she already had the cops on my phone."


OK then I don't believe the story. I was a cop, if a call came in that someone was beating a woman (or anyone for that matter) and that citizens were protecting her from the assailant who was still on scene that would prioritize any other calls holding. Even if I were on a lower priority call, investigating a property crime that had previously happened, a traffic stop, almost any other call I would break and go to the assault in progress, so would all the other cops in adjacent zones.

Even in systems that use computer aided dispatch these types of calls are voice dispatched if they are in progress so officers can slide that way as they get more details. This is an actual emergency and police will respond with lights and sirens.

Something is just not right about the story if the cops got the call of a battery in progress and didn't arrive for 45 minutes.
 
2013-08-27 03:21:06 PM  

Have_Brain: An older lady with a key ring and a guy who tells strangers he has a brown belt, but only uses those skills in self defense, stop a guy from continuing to beat up a girl who miracously escaped from the dark alley where he was beating her up, losing her shoes in the process.


You think this is implausible because it's just an old lady and a guy who doesn't do anything?  I think you underestimate how quickly an abuser can stop being Mr. badass as soon as someone shows up, big or small.

My wife once saw a dude strangling his girlfriend in a parking lot; she ran over and yelled at the guy to back off, armed with a phone.  No extra dude with a black belt, no pepper spray or threat of force, just a stranger he could easily beat up, confronting him loudly and not going away.

The guy acted the same way as the dude in this story:  angry, animated, trying to explain himself while stalking around, and then running off.
 
2013-08-27 03:26:44 PM  

feckingmorons: Something is just not right about the story if the cops got the call of a battery in progress and didn't arrive for 45 minutes.


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Begs to differ.. Booyeeee!
 
2013-08-27 03:59:38 PM  

feckingmorons: Something is just not right about the story if the cops got the call of a battery in progress and didn't arrive for 45 minutes.


I feel like there have been at least a few "police took X hours to show up to a crime in progress" stories on Fark. It's not like it couldn't happen, especially if the guys on duty that night knew there were some campus cops that were pretty on the ball nearby.

Still, this story does delve into "and the chalk rolled down and didn't break!" levels of hokeyness. If true, though, I hope that guy gets his dick caught in an industrial lathe and the chick is smart enough to not go back to him.
 
2013-08-27 04:18:32 PM  

feckingmorons: dotvincent: feckingmorons: eldritch2k4: feckingmorons:
Something is just not right about the story if the cops got the call of a battery in progress and didn't arrive for 45 minutes.


You may have heard the saying "When seconds count, the police are minutes away."

My (now ex-) step-father once pulled a gun on my mother, while he was in a drunken rage. She managed to flee to a neighbor's house, who called 911. It took 15 minutes for the cops to show up, while my mom, us kids, and the neighbor hid with nothing but a locked door standing between us and him. Lucky for us, the threat of the cops coming was enough to scare him off.

But still, 15 farking minutes to respond to a report of a man threatening his wife and children with a gun. By the time they showed up, he was already two townships away. What could *possibly* be more of a priority than a gunman with hostages?
 
2013-08-27 04:19:12 PM  
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2013-08-27 04:20:29 PM  

Loreweaver: feckingmorons: dotvincent: feckingmorons: eldritch2k4: feckingmorons:
Something is just not right about the story if the cops got the call of a battery in progress and didn't arrive for 45 minutes.

You may have heard the saying "When seconds count, the police are minutes away."

My (now ex-) step-father once pulled a gun on my mother, while he was in a drunken rage. She managed to flee to a neighbor's house, who called 911. It took 15 minutes for the cops to show up, while my mom, us kids, and the neighbor hid with nothing but a locked door standing between us and him. Lucky for us, the threat of the cops coming was enough to scare him off.

But still, 15 farking minutes to respond to a report of a man threatening his wife and children with a gun. By the time they showed up, he was already two townships away. What could *possibly* be more of a priority than a gunman with hostages?


Donut Buffet
 
2013-08-27 04:52:22 PM  

Loreweaver: But still, 15 farking minutes to respond to a report of a man threatening his wife and children with a gun. By the time they showed up, he was already two townships away. What could *possibly* be more of a priority than a gunman with hostages?


I'm going to go with physical proximity and the amount of time it takes to get from where you are to where the call comes from. The police are not usually parked outside your house.
 
2013-08-27 05:02:12 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Loreweaver: But still, 15 farking minutes to respond to a report of a man threatening his wife and children with a gun. By the time they showed up, he was already two townships away. What could *possibly* be more of a priority than a gunman with hostages?

I'm going to go with physical proximity and the amount of time it takes to get from where you are to where the call comes from. The police are not usually parked outside your house.


True, but even the fire department could get there in 10 minutes or less, and the FD was all volunteer (meaning only 1 person manning the station-house at any given hour, the rest on call).
 
2013-08-27 05:04:14 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Loreweaver: But still, 15 farking minutes to respond to a report of a man threatening his wife and children with a gun. By the time they showed up, he was already two townships away. What could *possibly* be more of a priority than a gunman with hostages?

I'm going to go with physical proximity and the amount of time it takes to get from where you are to where the call comes from. The police are not usually parked outside your house.


Truth was, where we were living, any call that contains the words "husband" or "wife" was automatically tagged as "domestic dispute", regardless of what other words followed.
 
2013-08-27 05:23:34 PM  

The Southern Logic Company: Researcher:

1) Unless you have a weapon on your keys, your keys are not a weapon. (get a yawara or something if you really feel you need something like that. Or pepper spray... depending on your local laws).

I see the point behind doing this, but I always strongly advise anyone I know who has pepper spray on a keychain or in their purse to leave it at home.  If someone who is untrained in pepper spray uses it on an attacker that is close to them, both will become incapacitated especially in a small space like a car or alleyway.  Not a good situation to be in especially if the assailant can recover from the spray faster than you.

The police, when training with pepper spray, are required to have their eyes opened by hand and sprayed so they can know the effects and be somewhat used to them.  If you have never been sprayed before, it is really nasty stuff and will bring you to the ground.  Takes the fight right out of you.  IMO, if it is legal, I suggest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_%28law_enforcement%29#Expandable_ ba ton

for a personal defense weapon.  One swing of the metal ball to a person's kneecap and they'll never dance ballet again!

/Been sprayed
//Cried like a little girl watching bambi for the first time


You're misinformed or the jurisdiction near you is sadistic toward their officers. We don't get sprayed in open eyes due to the possibility of hydraulic needling effect which can damaged the eyes. We get sprayed on the forehead and it runs down into your eyes. Even when not in your eyes, OC burns like hell.
 
2013-08-27 05:30:03 PM  

Doom MD: feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).

Thankfully we're trying to outlaw firearm possession.


Either you don't live in Oregon or you're an idiot. Oregon passed exactly zero gun control bills this session.
 
2013-08-27 05:42:45 PM  
Dog Man:

You're misinformed or the jurisdiction near you is sadistic toward their officers. We don't get sprayed in open eyes due to the possibility of hydraulic needling effect which can damaged the eyes. We get sprayed on the forehead and it runs down into your eyes. Even when not in your eyes, OC burns like hell.

The Captain who was our instructor blasted me after setting me up first. "Hey, FarkinHostile, this stuff isn't gonna work on you because of your training." I reply "Of course it's going to work...." Just as I inhale to finish my sentence, he gives me a full second of OCAT right in the face. I had it almost all the way to my lungs before I stopped breathing and exhaled it, and my face was covered.

Like 1000's of needles in my eyes. We had to force them open to get the full effect, but that was unnecessary with me. Then came the push ups, sit ups, and obstacle course to the bucket of water.
 
2013-08-27 06:30:26 PM  
That has to have sucked. Especially when you consider that water reactivates the OC and just spreads it around on you.
 
2013-08-27 08:31:22 PM  
Yeah, Gail Simone is awesome. I've loved her work since Birds of Prey, and Sinister Six was awesome until Nu52 came along and cancelled it. I follow her on Tumblr, and she followed me back after I dropped $100 at a comic store she was trying to help stay open.
 
2013-08-27 08:35:10 PM  

s1ugg0: No real self defense class teaches that.


Yes, they do.

At the women's center I volunteer at, we have a self defense course.  One example: If you are grabbed from behind... start by stomping your heel down on his toes.  Then try and aim an elbow at his neck/face.  If that hasn't gotten you free, put your foot against the inside of his knee and push it out until you hear it crack.  If you have keys, use them.  If you have a ball point pen, put it in his neck.  If you have pepper spray, throw it away, it's farking worthless.  As soon as you get free, RUN.  (this is where the class diverges a bit, the usual instructor is a cop and stops there, the "volunteers" take over)  Now that you have him on the ground, stomp on his neck, break his legs, gouge his eyes out and THEN run.

Your life or his, pick one.  Those are the only two options that exist if you are being attacked, and acting like it's otherwise is stupid beyond belief.

I don't know where you are getting your info, but it's basically just wrong.  Either from the instructor, or from you, it doesn't matter.  You fight for your life, and you use what you have.  Period.  If you teach anything else, you teach failure.
 
2013-08-28 12:24:51 AM  
media.avclub.com
 
2013-08-28 02:45:33 AM  

vodka: [300x257 from http://i.imgur.com/kitl5tn.jpg image 300x257]


Where can I order one of these for my sister?  She's all of 4'9 and could use a little extra help in the self defense dept
 
2013-08-28 04:16:42 AM  
"So this happened"

Stupidest farking saying in recent memory.
 
2013-08-28 09:52:48 AM  

Thresher: vodka: [300x257 from http://i.imgur.com/kitl5tn.jpg image 300x257]

Where can I order one of these for my sister?  She's all of 4'9 and could use a little extra help in the self defense dept


Is she hot?  If not, don't worry about it.
 
2013-08-28 10:21:29 AM  
 
2013-08-28 01:46:17 PM  
They were unavailable because of a "Roll Call"

I know what kind of roll:

img2u.info
 
2013-08-28 03:34:22 PM  
From TFA: "when I worked at a crisis center"... This is why I'm willing to believe the story.  Why I'm willing to believe that the author put herself in harms way when she heard a woman screaming.
 
2013-08-28 04:23:01 PM  

Rwa2play: s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?

Fafai: Yep. Men don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. There are plenty of people, men or otherwise, who think and act like the rules don't apply to them.

No, but it seems that most single men and some women feel entitled to do what they want after a break or a break-up.


Uncle Tom motherfarker. Fark off.
 
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