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2013-08-27 10:10:15 AM
That was an awesome thing to do. Kudos to the writer.

But she did get very lucky on one count, though: as intimidating as it looks, making Wolverine-claws with your keys is actually very dangerous to you, and not so much to the other person. If you do a straight punch, the keys will just be pushed back into your fist: not a pleasant sensation for you, and not particularly harmful to your opponent. Slashing with them is even worse: your keys won't be sharp enough to do any damage unless they're brand-new, but they'll be driven back into the webbing between your fingers, and that can cost you the use of your hand. Usually that's temporarily, but in the context a fight there is no such thing as temporary, and especially for an artist, losing your hands even temporarily is a Big Deal.

I do not intend to belittle what she did otherwise. With the sole exception of the key-claws, this is an excellent post, and something that others should imitate if circumstances conspire to put them into that situation. But please, don't make key-claws. That's a safety issue.

If you must use keys as a weapon, there are safer ways to do it. One is simply to hold them lengthwise in your fist, like a roll of quarters instead of like Wolverine-claws, and punch. The weight of the keys will add a little force to your blow. If you actually have a roll of quarters, that's even better -this is called a "ten-dollar punch"- but not so many people carry those around, and even keys will help.

The other option is to have only one key sticking out, held between your thumb and index finger. This is a good, strong hold, unlike between the fingers, and so the key won't have much of a chance to bite back into any part of your hand. If you do this, go for the eyes: keys are not sharp (except for brand-new ones), but that's one part of the body where they don't have to be sharp.
 
2013-08-27 10:10:29 AM
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2013-08-27 10:12:25 AM
But it's weird, there's an open restaurant, a bar and grill, and dozens of apartments buildings, no one else came out.

Kitty Genovese unavailable for comment.

Thankfully, there are some good people around who will intervene when the need arises.
 
2013-08-27 10:14:21 AM
FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.
 
2013-08-27 10:19:12 AM
Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).
 
2013-08-27 10:20:00 AM
Cool story, bro!
 
2013-08-27 10:20:40 AM
Special Olympians are the REAL heroes.
I'm gonna give 'em everything I've got.
 
2013-08-27 10:22:32 AM
It's nice to read a hero story where everyone reacted rationally and no macho bullsh*t that gets people hurt.  But I'd also like to second Millennium'spoint.  The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.  No real self defense class teaches that.  If you have no experience fighting your number one priority should be avoid a violent encounter.  If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.  A bare knuckle punch to someone's head is almost guaranteed to break your hand.

And definitely do not try to stand there like a boxer and trade blows.  A good punch in the face or head will leave you fuzzy and unable to focus.  Your eyes will begin to water and you will not be able to fight effectively.  It won't hurt badly until later but your fighting effectiveness will go down quickly.   It takes a lot of training to take a shot in the face and keep fighting.  But take note that even professional boxers are constantly bobbing and weaving to avoid a clean shot to the head.
 
2013-08-27 10:24:45 AM
Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.


Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?
 
2013-08-27 10:26:54 AM

s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.


No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:14 AM

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Yep. Men don't have any monopoly on hypocrisy. There are plenty of people, men or otherwise, who think and act like the rules don't apply to them.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:58 AM

feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).


Per the story, security and the police were called within minutes of each other. The police took an hour more to arrive. Looks like security was the correct choice for a quick response.
 
2013-08-27 10:31:10 AM

s1ugg0: It's nice to read a hero story where everyone reacted rationally and no macho bullsh*t that gets people hurt.  But I'd also like to second Millennium'spoint.  The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.  No real self defense class teaches that.  If you have no experience fighting your number one priority should be avoid a violent encounter.  If it can't be avoided do not hesitate to go for weak spots (eyes, groin, throat) and keep moving.  A bare knuckle punch to someone's head is almost guaranteed to break your hand.

And definitely do not try to stand there like a boxer and trade blows.  A good punch in the face or head will leave you fuzzy and unable to focus.  Your eyes will begin to water and you will not be able to fight effectively.  It won't hurt badly until later but your fighting effectiveness will go down quickly.   It takes a lot of training to take a shot in the face and keep fighting.  But take note that even professional boxers are constantly bobbing and weaving to avoid a clean shot to the head.


This post is a good mix of Ric Romero and facepalm. Please give a rebuttal on how you can counter a triangle choke by biting the penis and your martial art is TEH DEADLY.
 
2013-08-27 10:32:46 AM

feckingmorons: Don't they have 911 in Oregon? Why all the dicking around looking for the number for security and waiting for security? If someone is being battered call 911, the real police will arrive (soonish).


Thankfully we're trying to outlaw firearm possession.
 
2013-08-27 10:34:28 AM

Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.


Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.
 
2013-08-27 10:35:48 AM
Was anyone else waiting for the part where the author, being duped into a side-alley, is jumped by the couple, beaten and robbed?
 
2013-08-27 10:37:20 AM

Doom MD: This post is a good mix of Ric Romero and facepalm. Please give a rebuttal on how you can counter a triangle choke by biting the penis and your martial art is TEH DEADLY.


You took my post entirely in the wrong direction.  I have absolutely no illusions about the chances of an untrained person against a determined attacker.
 
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2013-08-27 10:38:23 AM

Cybernetic: Kitty Genovese unavailable for comment.
Thankfully, there are some good people around who will intervene when the need arises.


This.
The bystander effect is well documented and fairly well understood.  We could make more heroes/good-people if we trained people on the subject-- It should be taught in public schools regularly.
 
2013-08-27 10:40:30 AM
 

Rwa2play: FTA: I was proud of the girl. She told the story clearly, and it was worse than I thought. They were boyfriend and girlfriend, but had split up, and while apart, he had dated another girl. Then they got back together, and in the conversation I had witnessed, she had told him that she had seen another guy while they were separated, and that sent him into a frenzy.

So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.


Maybe he didn't get anything from his new girlfriend. but knows his ex gives it out on the first date.
 
2013-08-27 10:43:33 AM
Her son is a farking moron.  Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.
 
2013-08-27 10:45:30 AM
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Would like to have a word with guys who think it's cool to beat up women.
 
2013-08-27 10:46:19 AM

s1ugg0: No real self defense class teaches that.


Thank goodness you took them all, or else you wouldn't be able to share that knowledge.

But seriously, it's a good thing the Internet has so many martial arts experts with first-hand experience in hand-to-hand combat.  Otherwise I could only get my self-defense tips from a bunch of computer nerds who could only consult their Palladium RPG sourcebooks.
 
2013-08-27 10:51:17 AM
FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu
 
2013-08-27 10:52:54 AM

Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.


Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.
 
2013-08-27 10:53:30 AM

s1ugg0: Rwa2play:So the guy dated another girl and it was ok for him, but she went to see another guy and he got pissed off about it?!

And men wonder why we have such a bad rep.

Actually men wonder why we're all lumped in one group.  I once took a 3 man beating to make sure a woman was unharmed.  I've been with, and faithful to, the same woman for 11 years.  Why put me in the same category as this piece of garbage?


Cut it out, dude, he's TRYING to get laid.
 
2013-08-27 10:54:37 AM

mike_d85: FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu


static.comicvine.com

/would like to try your Wu Tang style.
 
2013-08-27 10:58:42 AM

mike_d85: Okinawa shuri-te


Let me just google that for you.

Oh hey, check that shiat out.  It's legit.  It's like there's multiple styles within multiple disciplines.
 
2013-08-27 10:58:43 AM
A friend of mine was in line at a coffee shop this week when he witnessed someone steal a girl's phone and run out. He looked around, saw that no one was reacting so he took action. He ran after the guy, tripped him, the guy dropped the phone as he fell then ran off. My friend returned the phone to the girl and got back in line.

In a perfect world, we would all react like that when something happened. Unfortunately, in this day and age with most people living in cities with little sense of community or looking out for one's neighbour, we don't get involved because it's "not my business" or "someone else will take care of it." Many of us also have a strong sense of self-preservation and don't want to get involved in a potentially dangerous situation.
 
2013-08-27 10:59:32 AM

s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.


Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.
 
2013-08-27 11:00:45 AM
Actually, the Kitty Genovese story has been partially debunked, at least the whole "38 witnesses and no did anything" part.

Which interested me when I read about it, as the case was taught as fact when I learned about it in college.
 
2013-08-27 11:00:52 AM

mike_d85: FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu


I'm only a mint belt, but with enough practice, I might one day make it to teal.
 
2013-08-27 11:00:58 AM
I wish to point out one possible reason why people didn't necessarily intervene is they could only make out "loud shouting", and it's a college town and students are returning, so... drunks.

I've run out of my apartment a number of times when I thought somewhat might be in distress/injured...a nd it's just drunk assholes being loud. I can see how that might jade someone to stop checking.

/Always gonna keep checking.
 
2013-08-27 11:04:28 AM

thurstonxhowell: Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.

Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.


The police took their time because, at the point when they were called, there was no emergency. If her son had called 911 and said a woman was being attacked, I would hope the police would have showed up a bit quicker.
 
2013-08-27 11:18:32 AM
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2013-08-27 11:19:02 AM

IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.



As someone with a lot of fist-punching experience I'd have to say that ideally you may be correct, but realistically you're 100% wrong.  Landing the "perfect" punch in a real fight is almost impossible to do.
 
2013-08-27 11:19:54 AM
Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.
 
2013-08-27 11:24:48 AM
It's not fun inserting yourself into those situations to be the peacekeeper. Whoever said don't use the keys that way is right; use elbows and knees. And consider seeing a therapist immediately.
 
2013-08-27 11:27:28 AM

RockofAges: nitefallz: IcedPee: s1ugg0: Zombie DJ: s1ugg0: The whole key claw thing is a sure fire way to wreck up your hand and weaken your ability to defend yourself.

No, it depends on the keys and key ring you have. I know a girl who has it set up to be like Wolverine claws if need be.

Have her go to the gym and punch a heavy bag with them.  I bet you she gets in no more than two shots and her hand is a mess.  Fighting is not like the movies and physics is a cruel mistress.

Try punching a heavy bag with just a wedding ring on.  Even under gloves you are going to have a bad time.

Punching a heavy bag with a wedding ring on will feel exactly like punching a heavy bag without a wedding ring on. You don't connect with the back on that part of your ring finger. You hit with your first two knuckles.

I think you might be legally retarded.


As someone with a lot of fist-punching experience I'd have to say that ideally you may be correct, but realistically you're 100% wrong.  Landing the "perfect" punch in a real fight is almost impossible to do.

Landing the perfect punch may not be possible in a real fight (except for that sucker punches are the best way to begin / end a fight), but making a proper fist is 100% possible all of the time, and if you are making a proper fist, you won't be hitting jack shiat except with those knuckles.


This is simply not true.  You're telling me that with the proper form you're always going to land the punch dead center on target, not slip, or miss, or catch either edge of your entire fist?

You know how I know you've never been in a fight?
 
2013-08-27 11:29:43 AM
The numbers are pretty much what helped.

At that point the two people she was with could have been... .anyone. As long as the assailant was suddenly looking at 3 witnesses and condemnation it would have had the same effect. imho.

Still - the recurring themes in this thread are largely correct.

1) Unless you have a weapon on your keys, your keys are not a weapon. (get a yawara or something if you really feel you need something like that. Or pepper spray... depending on your local laws).
2) Call the actual police. - Caveat - In the state I live, New York, if you're on a SUNY School and you call "Campus Police" you will get people with uniforms that say that. However, they are State Police (Campus Police is really more of their assignment). I have no idea who U of O use as their campus police. So what they were doing might have made sense in NY. After all, they'd just call the State University in question... still... when it comes from dispatch it's probably a hell of a lot quicker.
3) Get involved and bring friends.

/just my two cents.
 
2013-08-27 11:32:46 AM
Son did the right thing trying to call campus security, but while he searched for the number, should've called 911.  At my son's school, they are real cops, with real guns and their response time is 5 minutes or less.  Also, calling 911 from a land line routes you to the appropriate police department.  It is not stated in TFA if the abused woman, who got the cops on the phone, called the full number for the local police or dialed 911. Your results may vary when dialing 911 from a cell phone, and you might not get the nearest PD.
 
2013-08-27 11:40:51 AM

Honest Bender: thurstonxhowell: Honest Bender: Her son is a farking moron. Instead of dicking around looking for the phone number to security he should have CALLED THE POLICE.

Campus security responded quickly. The police took over 45 minutes. I'll take security in that situation every time.

The police took their time because, at the point when they were called, there was no emergency. If her son had called 911 and said a woman was being attacked, I would hope the police would have showed up a bit quicker.


This.

Calls to 911 are assigned priority based on the situation.  The victim calling and saying "someone attempted to rape me but I am safe now" is a different priority than a witness saying "A woman is being raped in the alleyway outside my apartment RIGHT NOW."  I understand the point of the author that the guy could come back with a gun but you need to frame the situation appropriately.

"I was just nearly raped, the perpetrator is sitting here glaring at me and I am terrified for my life now and I don't feel safe at home.  I do not have a safe place to go"

Felgraf: I wish to point out one possible reason why people didn't necessarily intervene is they could only make out "loud shouting", and it's a college town and students are returning, so... drunks.

I've run out of my apartment a number of times when I thought somewhat might be in distress/injured...a nd it's just drunk assholes being loud. I can see how that might jade someone to stop checking.

/Always gonna keep checking.


This as well.

If I see two people fighting or hear screaming, I'll look in that direction but I am not going to play Robocop unless it is clear something bad is happening.  Hell, I wouldn't want to intervene on two people fighting unless its obvious something is amiss, like a very one sided fight or female/children involved.

CSB
Sitting in a Starbucks waiting for someone, I was near the alleyway next to the store because I could see the cars pulling in easier.  I hear footsteps in the alleyway and a scuffle, I can see two people fighting.  Not wanting to get involved, I started to turn around when I heard one of them yell "Help I am an undercover police officer!"

Its nice to have the police thank YOU for a change
/CSB
 
2013-08-27 11:42:10 AM
My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!
 
2013-08-27 11:42:43 AM

mike_d85: FTFA My son is a blackbelt in Okinawa shuri-te

In WHAT?  Are they just making crap up now?

/I'm a teal belt in Hiroshima Bakuhatsu


Mijiz Bakhatsu Face !
 
2013-08-27 11:44:06 AM
"I guess I shouldn't see him again, should I?"

Red flag.
 
2013-08-27 11:47:31 AM

grunthos: My two pennies is:

College girls scream hysterically {1} when they are both wearing the same socks! We don't know that anyone else heard her, but if they did, as Felgraf  pointed out, may have blown it off as more senseless shrieking.

It's ok, he had a bag of skittles in his pocket....

Seriously, so many are prepared to condemn strangers for not getting involved...god forbid they do! Zimmerman {2}got involved, so did the rest of the neighborhood watch, and look where it got him!


{1} ???
{2} stopped reading right there.
 
2013-08-27 11:53:21 AM
I don't believe this story. Not one bit.
 
2013-08-27 11:55:35 AM
Millennium, s1ugg0 , and nitefallz are all correct.

If you are arguing or making snide comments with/about their posts, you look quite stupid to me.
 
2013-08-27 11:55:55 AM
Researcher:

1) Unless you have a weapon on your keys, your keys are not a weapon. (get a yawara or something if you really feel you need something like that. Or pepper spray... depending on your local laws).

I see the point behind doing this, but I always strongly advise anyone I know who has pepper spray on a keychain or in their purse to leave it at home.  If someone who is untrained in pepper spray uses it on an attacker that is close to them, both will become incapacitated especially in a small space like a car or alleyway.  Not a good situation to be in especially if the assailant can recover from the spray faster than you.

The police, when training with pepper spray, are required to have their eyes opened by hand and sprayed so they can know the effects and be somewhat used to them.  If you have never been sprayed before, it is really nasty stuff and will bring you to the ground.  Takes the fight right out of you.  IMO, if it is legal, I suggest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_%28law_enforcement%29#Expandable_ ba ton

for a personal defense weapon.  One swing of the metal ball to a person's kneecap and they'll never dance ballet again!

/Been sprayed
//Cried like a little girl watching bambi for the first time
 
2013-08-27 11:57:20 AM

nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.


So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.
 
2013-08-27 11:59:23 AM

bniath: nitefallz: Also, why has no one called BS on this story?  Sounds like BS.

So sonny boy spends minutes calling security and not going to help his mom. BS indeed. Reeks even.


Gail Simone is an attention junkie.
 
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