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2013-08-27 09:51:28 AM  
Probably just discussing how to keep this quiet until he leaves for the NFL.
 
2013-08-27 10:02:58 AM  
I just can't give a shiat anymore.  Manziel's a bit of an entitled jerk, but he's nowhere near as bad as the bullshiat rules, inconsistent enforcement, and rampant hypocrisy that is the NCAA.

/can't wait for college athletes to try and unionize
 
2013-08-27 10:05:12 AM  
slap on the wrist in 3.......2.........1........
 
2013-08-27 10:14:10 AM  
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Of course NCAA.com shut down offering school merchandise almost immediately after this Tweet.
 
2013-08-27 10:17:54 AM  
...in the best interests of Texas A&M and the 100-plus student-athletes on the team,

They are playing RICE.   Do those other '100-plus student-athletes' really deserve to have a sure victory later voided because Manziel suited up and/or played?  He has already sold them out for a few bucks; do they really have to sacrifice their season to him, too?
 
2013-08-27 10:20:34 AM  
SEC, nothing to see here, move along...
 
2013-08-27 10:22:08 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Do those other '100-plus student-athletes' really deserve to have a sure victory later voided


Does anyone really care when the NCAA acts like five year olds and pretends that someone didn't really win a game?  Because that gets old by the time you turn ten.
 
2013-08-27 10:23:20 AM  

Wadded Beef: Of course NCAA.com shut down offering school merchandise almost immediately after this Tweet.


That said it all, really.
 
2013-08-27 10:25:14 AM  

js34603: Probably just discussing how to keep this quiet until he leaves for the NFL.


If he goes to the NFL ESPN will get off his back in a nanosecond.
 
2013-08-27 10:25:39 AM  

basemetal: SEC, nothing to see here, move along...


It's going to be a long, long time before anyone truly accepts A&M as part of the SEC. We're still trying to give Arkansas back.
 
2013-08-27 10:26:04 AM  
Of COURSE he made money.  He's a complete idiot with a raging ego!  I'll be really glad when he finally goes back to obscurity.  It's shiat like this that keeps me from ever watching college ball and I'm starting to get the same hate on for the pro game.

Fark these entitled dumbshiats.
 
2013-08-27 10:31:26 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: basemetal: SEC, nothing to see here, move along...

It's going to be a long, long time before anyone truly accepts A&M as part of the SEC. We're still trying to give Arkansas back.


I wish we could reform the SWC and take them back.
 
2013-08-27 10:33:21 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Do those other '100-plus student-athletes' really deserve to have a sure victory later voided

Does anyone really care when the NCAA acts like five year olds and pretends that someone didn't really win a game?  Because that gets old by the time you turn ten.


I'm thinking they could get smacked with at least an extra loss this season, hurting their bowl placement...or probation next year or the next.  Granted, given the glacial pace the NCAA likes to 'investigate' profitable programs, it will probably be 2020 before they have any findings to share.

Note: not defending the NCAA and colleges' 'We get the money and you get three hots and a cot' approach to football.  If a marching band member can have a scholarship and a side gig in the evening, why not a football player?
 
2013-08-27 10:34:03 AM  

Nabb1: js34603: Probably just discussing how to keep this quiet until he leaves for the NFL.

If he goes to the NFL ESPN will get off his back in a nanosecond.


Just like they did for Reggie Bush.
 
2013-08-27 10:34:27 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...in the best interests of Texas A&M and the 100-plus student-athletes on the team,

They are playing RICE.   Do those other '100-plus student-athletes' really deserve to have a sure victory later voided because Manziel suited up and/or played?  He has already sold them out for a few bucks; do they really have to sacrifice their season to him, too?


Most student athletes don't care about what the record is.  That's for fans to worry about.  Most of the guys working as short order cooks at Bob Evans to get through college don't really care.

Oh wait, you are talking about the guys who get the scholarships and don't actually have to work to put themselves through college aren't you?  Yeah, those guys might care a little, but for them a win is a win.
 
2013-08-27 10:36:25 AM  

plewis: Of COURSE he made money.  He's a complete idiot with a raging ego!  I'll be really glad when he finally goes back to obscurity.  It's shiat like this that keeps me from ever watching college ball and I'm starting to get the same hate on for the pro game.

Fark these entitled dumbshiats.


How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?
 
2013-08-27 10:37:18 AM  
Is his name pronounced 'Tool'?  Turning pro, he should have legally changed it from Jeff Tuel to Jet Ffuel.
 
2013-08-27 10:37:58 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Is his name pronounced 'Tool'?  Turning pro, he should have legally changed it from Jeff Tuel to Jet Ffuel.


Wrong thread, dammit.
 
2013-08-27 10:38:16 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Do those other '100-plus student-athletes' really deserve to have a sure victory later voided

Does anyone really care when the NCAA acts like five year olds and pretends that someone didn't really win a game?  Because that gets old by the time you turn ten.


When they (or, more likely, the people on the team a year or so after this little douchebag has graduated) become bowl ineligible, yeah - both they and the fans kind of do care.

(Not that bowl ineligibility for a team whose glory days are still the epitome of mediocrity like atm).
 
2013-08-27 10:39:35 AM  

MFAWG: How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?


As someone who actually had to pay his way through school and wasn't given a 4 year long job interview that would have enabled me to immediately make millions in my chosen career while other people did my work for me, I would love to be on that "plantation" and be "exploited" like these poor players.
 
2013-08-27 10:43:45 AM  

MFAWG: plewis: Of COURSE he made money.  He's a complete idiot with a raging ego!  I'll be really glad when he finally goes back to obscurity.  It's shiat like this that keeps me from ever watching college ball and I'm starting to get the same hate on for the pro game.

Fark these entitled dumbshiats.

How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?


Let's be honest, he didn't do this to expose anything about the NCAA.  He did it because he wanted to make money and he thought he could get away with it.
 
2013-08-27 10:44:53 AM  

Nabb1: js34603: Probably just discussing how to keep this quiet until he leaves for the NFL.

If he goes to the NFL ESPN will get off his back in a nanosecond.


By NFL rules, I don't think he could be eligible for at least another three years, (5 years after entering and practicing college football)?
 
2013-08-27 10:48:44 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: By NFL rules, I don't think he could be eligible for at least another three years, (5 years after entering and practicing college football)?


3 years after graduation from high school.  If it was 5 years after entering football players who didn't red shirt would have to sit around for a year and not be drafted after playing, which would do wonders to their stock.
 
2013-08-27 10:53:30 AM  

js34603: Probably just discussing how to keep this quiet until he leaves for the NFL.


Came to say "can't this just wait until after the season? We can talk about it around NFL draft time".

The Cam Newton approach...
 
2013-08-27 10:54:32 AM  
he's white and he plays in the sec.  i just can't see the current ncaa punishing someone like that

/troll over
 
2013-08-27 10:55:56 AM  

lilplatinum: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: By NFL rules, I don't think he could be eligible for at least another three years, (5 years after entering and practicing college football)?

3 years after graduation from high school.  If it was 5 years after entering football players who didn't red shirt would have to sit around for a year and not be drafted after playing, which would do wonders to their stock.


There is the 'all college eligibility expired' thing for a player who played four seasons.

IANAL, so here: http://www.nflregionalcombines.com/Docs/Eligibility%20rules.pdf

Which rule applies?
 
2013-08-27 10:57:37 AM  
I always wondered where Luke Cafferty would end up.
blog.zap2it.com
 
2013-08-27 11:01:54 AM  

lilplatinum: MFAWG: How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?

As someone who actually had to pay his way through school and wasn't given a 4 year long job interview that would have enabled me to immediately make millions in my chosen career while other people did my work for me, I would love to be on that "plantation" and be "exploited" like these poor players.


It's cool to rip people off because they have opportunities I didn't have!
 
2013-08-27 11:03:46 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: There is the 'all college eligibility expired' thing for a player who played four seasons.

IANAL, so here: http://www.nflregionalcombines.com/Docs/Eligibility%20rules.pdf

Which rule applies?


This one, you have to apply if you want to leave early.  73 players applied and were given special permission to enter the draft after 3 years of college last year, so its not a difficult process:

Such player has been granted eligibility through special 
permission of the Commissioner. Any applications for special eligibility must be in the
Commissioner's office no later than Saturday, January 15, 2012, if the player is to be 
considered for inclusion in the League's principal draft scheduled for April 26-28, 2012. No 
player shall be permitted to apply for special eligibility for selection in the draft, or 
otherwise be eligible for the draft, until three NFL regular seasons have begun and ended 
following either his graduation from high school or graduation of the class with which he 
entered high school, whichever is earlier. No player may elect to bypass the regular draft to 
apply for a supplemental draft.
 
2013-08-27 11:07:23 AM  

ElwoodCuse: lilplatinum: MFAWG: How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?

As someone who actually had to pay his way through school and wasn't given a 4 year long job interview that would have enabled me to immediately make millions in my chosen career while other people did my work for me, I would love to be on that "plantation" and be "exploited" like these poor players.

It's cool to rip people off because they have opportunities I didn't hav


They aren't getting ripped off.   Myriad other professions require you to sit around in school and be poor, most for a lot longer than 3 years.  Most of those professions also require you to go up to your ass in debt for the privilege of doing so.  Most of these other professions also do not publically televise you in front of your potential employers.   

Nor is the idea that the school benefits from their work, this happens to everyone who publishes a paper or research while doing graduate work at a school - the school owns the work you did because they allowed you the atmosphere to do it.

Acting like Football players are somehow uniquely 'taken advantage of' is farking absurd.   Their career path is far easier than, say, my wife who is doing her farking rotations right now.

/not to mention that only a handful of these evil 'plantation owner' universities make a profit off of football, for most it is a money losing experience.  But no, they should have to lose MORE money in order to pay THIS particular subset of students.
 
2013-08-27 11:12:29 AM  

lilplatinum: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: There is the 'all college eligibility expired' thing for a player who played four seasons.

IANAL, so here: http://www.nflregionalcombines.com/Docs/Eligibility%20rules.pdf

Which rule applies?

This one, you have to apply if you want to leave early.  73 players applied and were given special permission to enter the draft after 3 years of college last year, so its not a difficult process:

Such player has been granted eligibility through special 
permission of the Commissioner. Any applications for special eligibility must be in the
Commissioner's office no later than Saturday, January 15, 2012, if the player is to be 
considered for inclusion in the League's principal draft scheduled for April 26-28, 2012. No 
player shall be permitted to apply for special eligibility for selection in the draft, or 
otherwise be eligible for the draft, until three NFL regular seasons have begun and ended 
following either his graduation from high school or graduation of the class with which he 
entered high school, whichever is earlier. No player may elect to bypass the regular draft to 
apply for a supplemental draft.


Thanks!  The way he lawyered up, I wonder if he wants to be kicked out by the NCAA?  He's got a Heisman, but he's only one bad hit from going from sure-fire 1st round cash to 'whatever happened to...?'   He could be a flopped Jets QB in only a year!
 
2013-08-27 11:12:51 AM  

lilplatinum: MFAWG: How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?

As someone who actually had to pay his way through school and wasn't given a 4 year long job interview that would have enabled me to immediately make millions in my chosen career while other people did my work for me, I would love to be on that "plantation" and be "exploited" like these poor players.


You might have a point if this was European Football and Manziel was free to sign with the team of his choice after he finishes his time on the plantation, bit that's not how it works in 'Merica.
 
2013-08-27 11:15:28 AM  

MFAWG: You might have a point if this was European Football and Manziel was free to sign with the team of his choice after he finishes his time on the plantation, bit that's not how it works in 'Merica.


This is America, he is free to start his own league if he finds this particular path to being a millionaire (despite a Tebowesque lack of ability to play with the big boys) is too onerous to him.   Poor little fella, no other workers in America have to go through such grueling trials as free school and free publicity.   Really feel for him, you are right to group him with people who were forcibly stolen from their homes and worked to death for generations - pretty much the same thing.
 
2013-08-27 11:15:59 AM  
I'm trying to come up with a new nickname for Johnny "Football", but failing.

Johnny Trainwreck?

Johnny Entitled Southern Dipshiat?

Help me out here, Farkers.
 
2013-08-27 11:17:01 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Thanks!  The way he lawyered up, I wonder if he wants to be kicked out by the NCAA?  He's got a Heisman, but he's only one bad hit from going from sure-fire 1st round cash to 'whatever happened to...?'   He could be a flopped Jets QB in only a year!


Come on, Rex Ryan would never allow an attention whore on his team.
 
2013-08-27 11:20:46 AM  

MFAWG: lilplatinum: MFAWG: How is he an idiot to trade in on his fame and expose the rank hypocrisy ofthe plantation owners running college football?

As someone who actually had to pay his way through school and wasn't given a 4 year long job interview that would have enabled me to immediately make millions in my chosen career while other people did my work for me, I would love to be on that "plantation" and be "exploited" like these poor players.

You might have a point if this was European Football and Manziel was free to sign with the team of his choice after he finishes his time on the plantation, bit that's not how it works in 'Merica.


They also have this insane idea in Europe that if you're a professional-caliber athlete, you go play for a club, even if you happen to be in school.  School athletics are glorified intramurals, while the footballers can sign endorsement deals to their heart's content.

And hell, even in this country the Olympics don't care about amateurism anymore.  You don't get to that level of competition unless you're professionally supported, and those folks sign endorsement deals all the time.

And God forbid an Olympic skier get done with that career and want to play some football when he goes back to school, while another guy who played pro baseball is perfectly fine.

The system is so farked up it's hard to see any real solution to the problem, but the worst possible decision is to continue to perpetuate the current farce.
 
2013-08-27 11:23:44 AM  

plewis: Of COURSE he made money.  He's a complete idiot with a raging ego!  I'll be really glad when he finally goes back to obscurity.  It's shiat like this that keeps me from ever watching college ball and I'm starting to get the same hate on for the pro game.

Fark these entitled dumbshiats.


See the thing is, whether its pro or college ball, you dont see any of the soap opera drama while watching actual games. Stay away from ESPN etc. (including this sports tab) when the games arent being played and you wont see the soap opera side. The games themselves look almost the same as always. Its the growing vortex of garbage in their slipstream that you dont like. The garbage has always been there but its never been celebrated to this extent before. And that vortex of suck is easily avoidable with even the tiniest amount of restraint on your part.
 
2013-08-27 11:24:30 AM  

The Smails Kid: I'm trying to come up with a new nickname for Johnny "Football", but failing.

Johnny Trainwreck?

Johnny Entitled Southern Dipshiat?

Help me out here, Farkers.


Johnny Hancock seems to have stuck
 
2013-08-27 11:27:19 AM  
Being a researcher and being a big time football player at a major conference school is totally the same thing
 
2013-08-27 11:28:05 AM  

The Smails Kid: I'm trying to come up with a new nickname for Johnny "Football", but failing.

Johnny Trainwreck?

Johnny Entitled Southern Dipshiat?

Help me out here, Farkers.


Johny Fool-fail
 
2013-08-27 11:29:09 AM  

lilplatinum: As someone who actually had to pay his way through school and wasn't given a 4 year long job interview that would have enabled me to immediately make millions in my chosen career while other people did my work for me


Speaking as someone who mostly ate Ramen noodles for 4 years while also working through school, that's a pretty chickensh*t reason to use as a basis to argue against a student-athlete's quest to profit immediately off their endeavors.

Manziel has done enough things off the field which paint him in bright colors as a huge farking douchebag so I don't care for him either, but c'mon.
 
2013-08-27 11:35:00 AM  
Why should they be so special when shiat tons of others have their work profit the school?Not that I care if they change it, but the farktards who act like it is somehow some massive injustice need to get some perspective.
 
2013-08-27 11:37:00 AM  
Tell them what, if they all feel so oppressed they should just strike and refuse to tale scholarships until the system changes.If they agree to it and break the agreement they made, fark em.
 
2013-08-27 11:39:14 AM  

lilplatinum: Tell them what, if they all feel so oppressed they should just strike and refuse to tale scholarships until the system changes.If they agree to it and break the agreement they made, fark em.


Which is why I said they should try and unionize.
 
2013-08-27 11:41:43 AM  
Backstory on Manziel's family (slideshow)

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/item/Timeli n e -Johnny-Manziel-s-astounding-family-23035.php

Wildcatting was crazy business in East TX last century...wide open with high stakes.
 
2013-08-27 11:42:33 AM  
Most good football schools are in the south, best o luck to them in that union happy territory.
 
2013-08-27 11:46:31 AM  
He took a page from Cam Newton's playbook and denied everything.  Who cares what the NCAA says 2 years from now.  He'll be in the pros, and if the Aggies actually win something, they'll just add it to the pile of phantom championships they claim.
 
2013-08-27 11:51:37 AM  

lilplatinum: Most good football schools are in the south, best o luck to them in that union happy territory.


The NCAA also thought the O'Bannon suit was laughable.
 
2013-08-27 11:51:39 AM  

mikaloyd: plewis: Of COURSE he made money.  He's a complete idiot with a raging ego!  I'll be really glad when he finally goes back to obscurity.  It's shiat like this that keeps me from ever watching college ball and I'm starting to get the same hate on for the pro game.

Fark these entitled dumbshiats.

See the thing is, whether its pro or college ball, you dont see any of the soap opera drama while watching actual games. Stay away from ESPN etc. (including this sports tab) when the games arent being played and you wont see the soap opera side. The games themselves look almost the same as always. Its the growing vortex of garbage in their slipstream that you dont like. The garbage has always been there but its never been celebrated to this extent before. And that vortex of suck is easily avoidable with even the tiniest amount of restraint on your part.


Saw on the channel guide last night Keith Olbermann has a one hour (ONE HOUR!!!) show on ESPN2 now. A sure sign that sports jumped the shark.

24 hour news ruined news. 24 hours sports channels doing the same for sports. EVERY farkING NETWORK having a 24 hour sports channel is farking ridiculous.
 
2013-08-27 11:53:31 AM  

lilplatinum: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Thanks!  The way he lawyered up, I wonder if he wants to be kicked out by the NCAA?  He's got a Heisman, but he's only one bad hit from going from sure-fire 1st round cash to 'whatever happened to...?'   He could be a flopped Jets QB in only a year!

Come on, Rex Ryan would never allow an attention whore on his team.


You're too smart to think Rex Ryan is still coaching the Jets past...what is the over/under on his getting fired??
 
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