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2013-08-27 07:26:13 AM  
What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?
 
2013-08-27 08:09:50 AM  
Al Bundy falling off roof comes to mind.
 
2013-08-27 08:10:00 AM  

TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?


Nope, not that I'm too torn up about losing CBS, but time warner is a piece of shiat in general.  Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.
 
2013-08-27 08:10:19 AM  
Time Warner loses as soon as football starts.
 
2013-08-27 08:11:01 AM  
I only have antenna tv and the picture rivals that of cable and it's free
 
2013-08-27 08:11:11 AM  

TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?


That's what I was going to say.  These things usually resolve themselves in a week, at most.
 
2013-08-27 08:11:26 AM  
People get pissed at the cable company but if they take a higher programming price then they are just going to pass cost on to the customer.
 
2013-08-27 08:13:05 AM  

baufan2005: People get pissed at the cable company but if they take a higher programming price then they are just going to pass cost on to the customer.


Or, you know, they could ditch the home shopping crap to cover the cost.
 
2013-08-27 08:14:46 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Or, you know, they could ditch the home shopping crap to cover the cost.


You do realize cable companies don't *pay* for home shopping channels but are paid to carry them?

If they drop the home shopping channel then the price will go up elsewhere.
 
2013-08-27 08:15:26 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I only have antenna tv and the picture rivals that of cable and it's free


The article also says this. OTA doesn't suffer from compression. Subby's trollin'.

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2013-08-27 08:17:37 AM  

Waldo Pepper: I only have antenna tv and the picture rivals that of cable and it's free


I think the headline was referring to the actual programs on CBS not the quality of the picture. And the over the air (OTA) picture should be as good as cable or better. OTA is coming straight from the source and if the show is in HD the signal should be 1080i (high quality). Cable could be degrading the signal to a lower quality such as 720p (middling quality) and passing it off as HD. There's a big difference in picture quality between the two.
 
2013-08-27 08:18:24 AM  
FTA: likely causing more than one subscriber to wonder why she pays a monthly cable bill.

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2013-08-27 08:21:00 AM  
Pretty risky for a cable company to offer OTA antennas. We use one for broadcast television and it eliminated any need or desire for their service. Between that and cheap online sunday ticket there is no real need for cable.
 
2013-08-27 08:21:07 AM  
I love it.  Cable is dying a slow death.  They farked us over for years and now they're paying the price.  I can get this shiat over the internet.
 
2013-08-27 08:21:16 AM  
clever ploy. most people don't live in a area that gets many channels over the air. i know we are only talking one channel here but even having to hook up the rabbit ears and switching between rabbit ear and cable tv is too much work or confuses some people. my parents are in their 80's and could get many channels over the air but they can't deal with using rabbit ears and readjusting them every time they change channels. it isn't so much the cable company is saying they are great but that rabbit ears can really suck but our company is doing its best to serve you in this difficult time.
 
2013-08-27 08:23:18 AM  

gfid: I love it.  Cable is dying a slow death.  They farked us over for years and now they're paying the price. still ridiculously wealthy and successful and can continue to do business.  I can get this shiat over the internet.

 
2013-08-27 08:24:03 AM  
I'd have completely cut cable by now if I didn't get a discount on Internet service greater than the cost of basic cable.  Installing an antenna on my roof (which ya really need to do to get the best OTA signal) and wiring it throughout the house seems like a colossal pain in the ass as well.
 
2013-08-27 08:24:27 AM  

starlost: clever ploy. most people don't live in a area that gets many channels over the air. i know we are only talking one channel here but even having to hook up the rabbit ears and switching between rabbit ear and cable tv is too much work or confuses some people. my parents are in their 80's and could get many channels over the air but they can't deal with using rabbit ears and readjusting them every time they change channels. it isn't so much the cable company is saying they are great but that rabbit ears can really suck but our company is doing its best to serve you in this difficult time.


Maybe old antennas. I get 42 channels OTA and don't ever have to adjust it since it is omnidirectional.
 
2013-08-27 08:24:40 AM  
Ah, TWC.  "This is what we charge, this is what you'll get, kiss my ass."  We don't just rip you off, we insult you sh*tless.  Had a 30/5 TWC roadrunner feed.  Never even came close to 4/1mbps.  Add a sh*tty VoIP phone with no UPS and 72 channels of utter sh*t and you're oinking up 180.00 a month for whatever the hell they feel like capping you at.  If this company falls into the ocean, maybe the .gov crews will get off their ass and start a WPA type program blowing 100/10 fiber to every house in America.  You know, like the civilized countries.
 
2013-08-27 08:27:13 AM  
tripleseven: Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.


Lucky bastard... We could use a little healthy competition among the telecoms out here in flyover country.
 
2013-08-27 08:28:53 AM  

tripleseven: TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?

Nope, not that I'm too torn up about losing CBS, but time warner is a piece of shiat in general.  Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.


They just hooked up FIOS on our street. I was amazed how much more expensive it is than Comcast for internet. Like double the price expensive and there is a $360 early termination fee if you cancel before 2 years.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-27 08:29:02 AM  

clkeagle: tripleseven: Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.

Lucky bastard... We could use a little healthy competition among the telecoms out here in flyover country.


FIOS is coming to my town and I did a "pre-sign up" with them just yesterday.  I am leaving Comcast behind.  They DESPERATELY need the competition.
 
2013-08-27 08:30:11 AM  

Carth: Like double the price expensive and there is a $360 early termination fee if you cancel before 2 years


I will never understand why we let companies get away with this.  "Uh, if you fire us, you have to give us money".  Try that at McDonald's.
 
2013-08-27 08:30:33 AM  
Hammer down
Rabbit ears
Hammer down
 
2013-08-27 08:32:32 AM  

bunner: Ah, TWC.  "This is what we charge, this is what you'll get, kiss my ass."  We don't just rip you off, we insult you sh*tless.  Had a 30/5 TWC roadrunner feed.  Never even came close to 4/1mbps.  Add a sh*tty VoIP phone with no UPS and 72 channels of utter sh*t and you're oinking up 180.00 a month for whatever the hell they feel like capping you at.  If this company falls into the ocean, maybe the .gov crews will get off their ass and start a WPA type program blowing 100/10 fiber to every house in America.  You know, like the civilized countries.


My city floated bonds to build its own fiberoptic network. When other towns around us realized how popular this was, Slime-Warner bought off several members of the NC legislature to pass a law effectively prohibiting cities from using bonds to build the same network. Then TWC quit putting any money into improving the infrastructure in this state.

I really hope the slimeballs running the company rot in jail with those legislators one day, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-08-27 08:33:48 AM  

Carth: tripleseven: TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?

Nope, not that I'm too torn up about losing CBS, but time warner is a piece of shiat in general.  Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.

They just hooked up FIOS on our street. I was amazed how much more expensive it is than Comcast for internet. Like double the price expensive and there is a $360 early termination fee if you cancel before 2 years.


The price is negotiable if you don't bundle and don't sign a contract.
 
2013-08-27 08:33:57 AM  
"enjoy 1966 CBS quality programming "

CBS did have quality programing back then.

The Jackie Gleason Show
The Ed Sullivan Show
TheSmothers Brothers
Mission Impossible

Hell,  They even had Lost in space!
 
2013-08-27 08:35:56 AM  

sonofslacker: Waldo Pepper: I only have antenna tv and the picture rivals that of cable and it's free

I think the headline was referring to the actual programs on CBS not the quality of the picture. And the over the air (OTA) picture should be as good as cable or better. OTA is coming straight from the source and if the show is in HD the signal should be 1080i (high quality). Cable could be degrading the signal to a lower quality such as 720p (middling quality) and passing it off as HD. There's a big difference in picture quality between the two.


The compression spoken of is not a reduction of resolution, but rather of the data rate of the transmission. You can still retain the same resolution while having a drop in video quality, same as photographic or audio. Less data used for the each pixel even when there are the same number of pixels results in lower quality pixels. The OTA broadcasts come down at full data rate, whereas many cable companies do feed shows at lower data rates to save on bandwidth costs.
 
2013-08-27 08:36:14 AM  

UsikFark: Carth: tripleseven: TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?

Nope, not that I'm too torn up about losing CBS, but time warner is a piece of shiat in general.  Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.

They just hooked up FIOS on our street. I was amazed how much more expensive it is than Comcast for internet. Like double the price expensive and there is a $360 early termination fee if you cancel before 2 years.

The price is negotiable if you don't bundle and don't sign a contract.


That's what I'm hoping. They sent us the flyer on friday and said a Rep is going door to door this week. I'm just going to show him my Comcast bill and ask if they can match it. Their price of 50 Mbps down for $89 a month with no contract is double what I'm paying.

Although the 500 Mbps service would be nice if it weren't $300 a month.
 
2013-08-27 08:36:36 AM  

d23: FIOS is coming to my town and I did a "pre-sign up" with them just yesterday. I am leaving Comcast behind. They DESPERATELY need the competition.


FIOS came to my town and was every bit as expensive as Comcast.  Grab your ankles.
 
2013-08-27 08:38:06 AM  

bunner: Ah, TWC.  "This is what we charge, this is what you'll get, kiss my ass."  We don't just rip you off, we insult you sh*tless.  Had a 30/5 TWC roadrunner feed.  Never even came close to 4/1mbps.  Add a sh*tty VoIP phone with no UPS and 72 channels of utter sh*t and you're oinking up 180.00 a month for whatever the hell they feel like capping you at.  If this company falls into the ocean, maybe the .gov crews will get off their ass and start a WPA type program blowing 100/10 fiber to every house in America.  You know, like the civilized countries.


I have TWC cable's 30/5megabit service, no cable or phone. I get consistent 24/7/365 3.83 MegaByte download speed.
 
2013-08-27 08:38:43 AM  

Vodka Zombie: TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?

That's what I was going to say.  These things usually resolve themselves in a week, at most.


I think the cable companies are realizing that we've finally reached the point where people are going to cancel their service because of the high prices.  So they're trying to fight back.
 
2013-08-27 08:42:45 AM  

Carth: UsikFark: Carth: tripleseven: TheMaskedArmadillo: What?  This shiat hasn't been resolved yet?

Nope, not that I'm too torn up about losing CBS, but time warner is a piece of shiat in general.  Thankfully, the fios is getting hooked up in my building this month.

I'll be first on the list for install.

They just hooked up FIOS on our street. I was amazed how much more expensive it is than Comcast for internet. Like double the price expensive and there is a $360 early termination fee if you cancel before 2 years.

The price is negotiable if you don't bundle and don't sign a contract.

That's what I'm hoping. They sent us the flyer on friday and said a Rep is going door to door this week. I'm just going to show him my Comcast bill and ask if they can match it. Their price of 50 Mbps down for $89 a month with no contract is double what I'm paying.

Although the 500 Mbps service would be nice if it weren't $300 a month.


Remember their base price is before fees and taxes, which are substantial. Let them know you will be comparing final prices.
 
2013-08-27 08:43:14 AM  
You're halfway there, people with digital antennas. Now get rid of cable and get a Roku or something else with lots of TV apps. Time Warner was nice enough to do half the work for you.
 
2013-08-27 08:43:49 AM  
There are plenty of a-holes here.  But number one on my list is actually the content providers.  They are the reason we don't have a la carte pricing.  The cable companies would go for it.  But these content providers like to bundle their channels and force the cable and satellite companies to carry the shiat if they want the cream.

Then the increase the carriage fees because they have the hot programs, i.e. Dexter on Showtime or NFL sports on CBS (Hence the dropping of the CBS stations in NY, Dallas, etc).   In CBS case, Dexter is going off the air, and they want to lock in a higher rate as a hedge against ratings drop.  But, you say, I pay separate for Showtime! Yes and no.  You pay for Showtime, but the right to carry Showtime is bundled with other properties, i.e.  Smithsonian, CBS College sports.  Sports networks account for 19.5% of costs of your cable bill yet only have about 4% of the viewership (source)  If this was a la carte you potentially could see a drop of ~$14 a month of your cable bill or more (provided that the other a-holes in the story, the cable providers, passed the savings along.  This is a BIG if, IMO)

tl;dr version: you end up paying for the most expensive programming even if you don't watch it thanks to CBS et al.
 
2013-08-27 08:44:30 AM  

George Babbitt: sonofslacker: Waldo Pepper: I only have antenna tv and the picture rivals that of cable and it's free

I think the headline was referring to the actual programs on CBS not the quality of the picture. And the over the air (OTA) picture should be as good as cable or better. OTA is coming straight from the source and if the show is in HD the signal should be 1080i (high quality). Cable could be degrading the signal to a lower quality such as 720p (middling quality) and passing it off as HD. There's a big difference in picture quality between the two.

The compression spoken of is not a reduction of resolution, but rather of the data rate of the transmission. You can still retain the same resolution while having a drop in video quality, same as photographic or audio. Less data used for the each pixel even when there are the same number of pixels results in lower quality pixels. The OTA broadcasts come down at full data rate, whereas many cable companies do feed shows at lower data rates to save on bandwidth costs.


Yep. It's the compression artifacts. I have a friend who had me over to watch a game, and the cable company had throttled down ESPN for some other big premiers that night. On his 60" TV, there were compression artifacts as big as a nickel (pretty much just a two-color gradient square). High definition my ass.

PBS's nature stuff OTA is breathtaking. Much lower compression on all OTA channels makes a huge difference.
 
2013-08-27 08:45:05 AM  

sonofslacker: Waldo Pepper: I only have antenna tv and the picture rivals that of cable and it's free

I think the headline was referring to the actual programs on CBS not the quality of the picture. And the over the air (OTA) picture should be as good as cable or better. OTA is coming straight from the source and if the show is in HD the signal should be 1080i (high quality). Cable could be degrading the signal to a lower quality such as 720p (middling quality) and passing it off as HD. There's a big difference in picture quality between the two.


Not really.  I dropped cable about 10 years ago (I'm not "principled", just cheap!).  In bad weather, local stations might get a little snowy, but you could still watch them.  Since they went to digital signals, if the weather is bad, the picture gets pixilated and the audio has lots of interruptions-- enough to make it impossible to follow the story at times.  I'd go back to cable, but I hate Time-Warner with a passion.  And I really don't want to pay huge amounts of money for the same crap I get now, but on 300 stations.
 
2013-08-27 08:46:07 AM  

George Babbitt: I get consistent 24/7/365 3.83 MegaByte download speed.


Bless you, yo.  I got crap.
 
2013-08-27 08:47:36 AM  
The biggest problem with this, for someone who has only had TWC internet is that CBS is blocking that from accessing the videos on their site, which is really just doublely shooting themselves in the foot. If I dont pay for cable tv then they are losing ad revenue by blocking me from their site.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-27 08:48:08 AM  

GoldSpider: d23: FIOS is coming to my town and I did a "pre-sign up" with them just yesterday. I am leaving Comcast behind. They DESPERATELY need the competition.

FIOS came to my town and was every bit as expensive as Comcast.  Grab your ankles.


Actually, here I am getting a faster internet service and it will be $25 less.
 
2013-08-27 08:50:14 AM  
Stuck with TWC at the house. Their Internet service sucks, I won't give them money for TV programming. Sprint's 3G makes up for their slack when the bandwidth randomly goes to crap.
 
2013-08-27 08:50:46 AM  
Teevee is largely sh*t, IMHO, so all I really want is 100/10 fiber, a 42" plasma HDMI monitor jacked into my 5.1 rig and a way to get BBC programming here.
 
2013-08-27 08:51:52 AM  
I use charter and their tv service is hit or miss. I am happy with their internet though. I am supposed to get 35 mbps download speeds but it usually runs near 50.
 
2013-08-27 08:52:09 AM  

George Babbitt: bunner: Ah, TWC.  "This is what we charge, this is what you'll get, kiss my ass."  We don't just rip you off, we insult you sh*tless.  Had a 30/5 TWC roadrunner feed.  Never even came close to 4/1mbps.  Add a sh*tty VoIP phone with no UPS and 72 channels of utter sh*t and you're oinking up 180.00 a month for whatever the hell they feel like capping you at.  If this company falls into the ocean, maybe the .gov crews will get off their ass and start a WPA type program blowing 100/10 fiber to every house in America.  You know, like the civilized countries.

I have TWC cable's 30/5megabit service, no cable or phone. I get consistent 24/7/365 3.83 MegaByte download speed.


We had similar problems until upgrading our router. Apparently after a few years the signal degrades? Who knew.  Of course if you get crappy speeds even when plugged in to the modem that TWC just sucks.
 
2013-08-27 08:53:54 AM  
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2013-08-27 08:55:19 AM  
Any good links to watch streaming TV? free of course
 
2013-08-27 08:55:44 AM  
We bought Mohu Leaf Antenna's for the whole house and ditched cable. Mom is happy with old school tv.  I stream my favorites from the Internet. The kids and ex-hubby are so deep into Netflix they can't get out. We all watch a lot more PBS which has definitely improved the quality of conversation around the house.

I still keep trying to figure out why the hell we spent over $100 bucks a month for cable.
 
2013-08-27 08:56:54 AM  

bunner: I will never understand why we let companies get away with this. "Uh, if you fire us, you have to give us money". Try that at McDonald's.


That's a terrible analogy.  That is, unless you have some sort of contract with McDonalds to get food at a discounted rate based on your committment to spend a preset amount each year.
 
2013-08-27 08:58:00 AM  
Got rabbit ears back in early 2000, since HDTV broadcasts were just starting and wanted to get local stations as they came on line.  Worked well, even could pick up 60 miles away (lived on top of a hill in the hill country).

Funny thing, the Hypesters at Best Buy, who had never tried to get local HDTV at home and probably had never seen an HDTV tuner, said rabbit ears would never be sold at their high class establishment and besides, rabbit ears all have a virus and you'd need to buy the special $100 virus protection.
 
2013-08-27 08:58:34 AM  

DrBrownCow: bunner: I will never understand why we let companies get away with this. "Uh, if you fire us, you have to give us money". Try that at McDonald's.

That's a terrible analogy.  That is, unless you have some sort of contract with McDonalds to get food at a discounted rate based on your committment to spend a preset amount each year.


Not the most astute analogy, I suppose, but then again, it's the same construct.  I provide you with something and if I don't provide what I agreed to provide, you have to pay me to get rid of me.
 
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