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(Jezebel)   Finally, Jezebel weighs in on Miley's blatant racism   (groupthink.jezebel.com) divider line 75
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2013-08-27 09:49:05 AM
14 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.


I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.
2013-08-27 09:38:26 AM
12 votes:
Maybe I'm getting old, but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice.  It was a stupid performance by a stupid kid who embarrassed herself in front of millions.  There's no need to manufacture personal outrage like Miley goddamn Cyrus victimized you.
2013-08-27 11:53:34 AM
5 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Super_pope: People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."

Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument.


Not really. It addresses it, but it hardly "nullifies" it.  Mostly it just declares by fiat that any discussion of that simple fact is a "derail" of the discussion, then condescends to us all by declaring that the entire incident can only be properly understood in the context of "cultural imperialism and the colonial history that minorities face." So only Real True Social Justice Warriors can "get it," and any attempt to argue otherwise is "derailing"

I strongly suspect that any attempt to argue this point with the author would lead to further condescension in the form of "You need to brush up on Feminism/Racism/Social Justice 101,  because you clearly Just Don't Get it, and I'm way too busy to hold your hand through all of that just to show why you're wrong, but trust me, you are wrong, wrong wrongity wrong, and if you only had as much education in this area as I do, you wouldn't even be arguing it.But you don't, so you'll just have to accept that you are wrong on my say so"

In fact, looking at the discussion, that's pretty much her exact response to the commenter who brings up that point.

"you've completely missed the point. I'm really not about to spoonfeed you Racism 101 rhetoric at 1am"

"I just recognize that there's a whole lot of other theory you need to ingest first before you can even begin to comprehend the points I've made here, and I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you."


See, you can't argue against this position without the proper credentials. but you know how she knows  you don't have the proper credentials? Because if you did, you wouldn't be arguing against it, you'd just agree with her.

That's some catch, that catch 22
2013-08-27 10:00:07 AM
5 votes:
Only Jezebel can make you want to take Miley's side in this sh*t show.
2013-08-27 09:48:13 AM
5 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill


Congratulations. You just made the author's point better than she did, and saved 1,000 words in the process.
2013-08-27 09:24:52 AM
5 votes:
WTF is that woman talking about?

I didn't see Miley's performance but quite frankly I think some black people will see racism in anything anyone does.

If a white firefighter saved this whole woman's family from a burning house she would probably scream racism.
2013-08-27 09:22:10 AM
5 votes:
Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.
2013-08-27 10:00:53 AM
4 votes:
2013-08-27 09:40:34 AM
4 votes:

MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.


There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.
2013-08-27 10:40:41 AM
3 votes:

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


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Don't forget about Gwen...
2013-08-27 10:37:07 AM
3 votes:

JAGChem82: I liked listening to Eminem in my late teens/early 20s, and I never thought that he was "co-opting" black culture for simple material gain.


That's because he really wasn't.  He was a member of poor urban culture, for lack of a better term, and thus wasn't co-opting shiat.  You could make a better argument that someone like Talib Kweli is co-opting poor urban culture, given that he is the park slope raised son of two professionals with a brother who clerked for the supreme court, than someone born to a 15 year old drug addict and who grew up in ghetto detroit.
2013-08-27 10:08:40 AM
3 votes:
I really can't wrap my head around these allegations that Miley is racist, or robbing black culture for her own gain; for years now, the pointy end of the pop-music market has been dominated by black artists, rappers, or music that has roots in black culture/dance/etc, particularly the segment of the market that's aimed above the kids that have been Miley's traditional audience. Is it really such a shock that she'd be influenced by (or trying to muscle in on) this scene if she wants to continue her career? At some point you have to accept that if you're going to turn your culture into a commodity then it is going to become diluted and, well, go mainstream. Miley isn't edgy, she's just following the curve, and a little overblown controversy has kept her in the spotlight while she does it.

For what it's worth I think she's got a great voice, but her country-chops really don't fit with the direction she's taken.
2013-08-27 09:52:29 AM
3 votes:
Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman
2013-08-27 09:50:28 AM
3 votes:
The piece does bring up a lot of good points, but I'm leaning more toward Miley just being utterly clueless about the larger world.

That said, she didn't put this together by herself, there is a massive production team behind it. They should probably know better, but simulated interracial anal rimming really hits all the right demos. The kids just love it.

Also, I'm sure those dancers liked the pay for a really easy job. Sociology is for the well-to-do.
2013-08-27 09:15:50 AM
3 votes:
Well, I'm glad we finally got around to talking about how racist it was.  That means the whole mess is a few minutes away from being forgotten.
2013-08-27 06:29:16 PM
2 votes:
It must genuinely suck to walk through life with a chip on your shoulder like that. Waiting for every and any opportunity and excuse to be offended, outraged, and unhappy.


I feel sorry for these people. Most of the Jezebel posters sound like lonely, sad, terminally angry people.
2013-08-27 02:11:41 PM
2 votes:
The only problem I had with that article is insisting white people can't do "black" things. Excuse me? If white people insisted blacks couldn't do "white" things there would be such a nasty backlash of crying racism, but it is TOTALLY okay to do the opposite and if anyone cries racism nobody cares.

You can be special with special rights or equal with equal rights, but you can't be both. Special rights is just going to keep racism alive you stupid twat waffle.

For what it is worth "Thrift Shop" was BY FAR the most popular rap song of the year. Sorry he was a whitie and you think only black rappers should win. Talk about a racist biatch.
2013-08-27 01:35:16 PM
2 votes:
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2013-08-27 01:31:01 PM
2 votes:
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2013-08-27 12:15:28 PM
2 votes:
The two things I got from that article:

1: Miley was acting black at the VMAs, and that's bad.
2: It's racist to imply that the behaviors Miley engaged in were culturally "black".

Sooooo...the author is calling herself a racist.  Got it.
2013-08-27 11:24:49 AM
2 votes:
It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?
2013-08-27 11:24:05 AM
2 votes:

LectertheChef: God Is My Co-Pirate: MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.

There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I don't know, I've seen a lot of black people who have co-opted stuff from the predominantly white punk scene. The hair dye, body piercings and all that. Plus, for those of us who have actually been to a strip club in the last 30 years might recognize a lot of the dance moves and fashion choices that white girls are supposedly co-opting from black women.


And those strip club moves come via Jamaican dance halls.

But the problem isn't an individual, anonymous white girl choosing to dance "black."  The problem is the wider social context in which a black woman dancing "black" is called ghetto or treated like an object, or at best ignored, while a rich, famous white woman doing it for a tv stunt gets money and attention and is "edgy."

Like a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask should - should - generate no more controversy than any other president, but get a crowd of white people cheering for a black man to be run down by a bull - in a part of the world that still has plenty of racial tension - that becomes gross.
2013-08-27 11:21:55 AM
2 votes:
People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."
2013-08-27 11:00:42 AM
2 votes:

Theaetetus: Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.

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Don't forget about Gwen...


That to me is an actual clear case of race as props, and offers a nice comparison to what I was saying.

Japanese culture is much more closely tied to a particular race, given that Japan is one of, if not the, most homogeneous country in the world, racially speaking.  Thus when someone not japanese uses a rather shallow iconography from a small facet of japan to dress up her bland southern cali surfer girl image, it feels like using a whole race/culture as a prop.  And thus it is pretty damn reasonable to discuss the racism involved there.

However, hip-hop, booty-dancing, etc. are not inherently black, anymore than country is inherently white.  One is predominantly urban, and associated with the poor, and the other is predominantly rural and also associated with the poor.  To use the example above, eminem is not pretending to be black, he is legitimately being poor and urban.  He is not Gwen Stefani, he would be comparable to a white girl who actually grew up near Harajuku.

This type of music, or type of dance is really more class associated, than race associated.  But in America we like to gloss over class because it makes us feel icky about capitalism, so we make a shorthand: urban poor = black.  Thus we can now safely discuss things like the welfare state, crumbling infrastructure, etc as a racial issue, which has the two pronged benefit of deflecting the discussion onto a slew of other messy topics and keeping the urban poor and the rural poor from joining up (i.e. how many clips have you seen of poor whites arguing against government aid because its for them blacks).
2013-08-27 10:43:13 AM
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.


There was an article or post somewhere on the internet that I liked that addressed this.

The difference is the history of oppression.  Ripping off black culture IS worse than ripping off white culture.

/Nobody's saying Miley's intentionally being racist.  Intent isn't the point here.
2013-08-27 10:42:41 AM
2 votes:
Actually, the great blog Sociological Images has several posts about the use of minorities as props.
2013-08-27 10:31:44 AM
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.

There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.


I don't know, I've seen a lot of black people who have co-opted stuff from the predominantly white punk scene. The hair dye, body piercings and all that. Plus, for those of us who have actually been to a strip club in the last 30 years might recognize a lot of the dance moves and fashion choices that white girls are supposedly co-opting from black women.
2013-08-27 10:18:33 AM
2 votes:
The article does bring up a valid point: It looks like Miley is trying to be Rihanna lite.
(Pun unintended, but I'll keep it in there.)

As for black women only being seen as sexualized objects... I think it's ridiculous. 1. Miley tries to be sexy like Rihanna, looks ridiculous. 2. Rihanna acts similarly to Miley, it's okay because she's black? Who exactly is sexualizing black women now?
2013-08-27 10:10:45 AM
2 votes:

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Exactly.  There's something Marie Antoinette-ish about the whole thing. Is it racist?  Well, not in the sense of deliberate harm, no, but it sure comes out of a landscape of racial inequality.

The rich white girl gets the money and the attention, and tomorrow she can take off her costume and move on to the next trendy thing.

Personally I just wish she'd put her tongue away.  You're so rebellious, we get it.
2013-08-27 10:02:10 AM
2 votes:

James!: Maybe I'm getting old, but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice.  It was a stupid performance by a stupid kid who embarrassed herself in front of millions.  There's no need to manufacture personal outrage like Miley goddamn Cyrus victimized you.


Forget it, James, it's the Internet.

Everyone must talk about everything all the time.

//also, you're getting old.
2013-08-27 09:59:20 AM
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: How dare you objectify a proud black woman who is apparently stuck in the body of a nerdy white guy I guess.


he's transracial.  a cisraced individual like you could never understand.
2013-08-27 09:39:26 AM
2 votes:
FFS.

that is all.
2013-08-27 09:26:41 AM
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.



I am certain that her primary goal was to objectify herself to the maximum and that she most likely surpassed her goal.........  I doubt she gave much consideration to the backup.
2013-08-27 09:25:47 AM
2 votes:

styckx: I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?


Essentially the articles main point is that by "twirking" Miley essentially stole black female sexuality or something.

The problem is that they completely sidestepped the other glaring teddy bear in the room, and that is the commodification of black female sexuality in Miley's performance. But it's not a thing that white women deal with, so it didn't warrant inclusion or discussion by the white-led mainstream feminist media.

The author also has a problem with the use of backup dancers as she goes onto state:
From her insistence on twerking, to her use of all black women asliteral props(they were teddy bears) to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming, it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued and put on display for entertainment purposes.

Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian. The page wraps up with complaints that Miley's dancing is tied to Trayvon Martin's death because the VMAs are imperialist.
2013-08-27 09:23:54 AM
2 votes:
Oh: and Miley Cyrus can't sing. She was totally upstaged talent wise by Robin Thicke.
2013-08-27 09:05:39 AM
2 votes:
Thank goodness there's someone on the internet who isn't afraid to discriminate against people based on race. I mean, if Miley was black, there's no story here, right?
2013-08-27 11:21:44 PM
1 votes:

stonelotus: Fano: wellreadneck: Meh. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Plus, even though she's rich, she still can play the culture card.
Remember, good nutrition has given her some length of bone, but she's not more than one generation  from poor white trash, is she?

Right you are, Dr. Kimmel: (forgive my copypasta)

Jimmy Kimmel:"You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Miley Cyrus? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure Kentucky. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the Disney Corporation."

JK: "You were ten years old. You went to live with cousins at a chicken ranch in Montana. And...?"


Miley:[tears begin forming in her eyes] And one morning, I just ran away.
Jimmy Kimmel:No "just", Miley. What set you off? You started at what time?
Miley Cyrus: Early, still dark.
Jimmy Kimmel: Then something woke you, didn't it? Was it a dream? What was it?
Miley Cyrus: I heard a strange noise.
Jimmy Kimmel: What was it?
Miley Cyrus: It was... screaming. Some kind of screaming, like a child's voice. Like maybe Webigail.
Jimmy Kimmel: What did you do?
Miley Cyrus: I went downstairs, outside. I crept up into the hen house. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to.
Jimmy Kimmel: And what did you see, Miley? What did you see?
Miley Cyrus: Chickens. The chickens were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: They were slaughtering the young pullets?
Miley Cyrus: And they were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: And you ran away?
Miley Cyrus: No. First I tried to free them. I... I opened the latch to their crates, but they wouldn't r ...


What do you mean? I wrote it.http://www.fark.com/comments/5163519/Miley-Cyrus-once-stole-a-bunc h-of -cocks#new
2013-08-27 07:58:38 PM
1 votes:
Oh racism, is there nothing you can't co-opt into your crazed collective of cerebrally challenged clones? From Jar Jar Binks to Miley Montana's moonshine-fueled bridge burning, your mesmerizing ability to infuse yourself into the most banal of spectacles stands as an immovable monument to your endless defiance of rational thought, reason, and logic.

Let fly your standard of idiocy and irrationality! Sound the trump and loose the bow strings! There be racist wolves in twerking Disney princess' and CGI rabbit's clothing that needs be defeated in the name of liberty, justice, and freedom for all mankind...
2013-08-27 04:43:54 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


Modern liberalism defined
2013-08-27 04:40:27 PM
1 votes:
My favorite part is in the comments section a poster quotes Picasso, and the author retorts that they don't care what a white guy says.
2013-08-27 04:15:50 PM
1 votes:
RZT's Leftoverism Stew

This recipe provides delightful new life for leftovers from
the infrastructure of legimate social justice movements created
by great chefs that went before you.
1) Start with leftover organizations and fervor from a legitimate
social movement.  The recipe works best with sexism and racism,
but can be adapted for any formerly great movement that almost all
thinking people agreed with at the time.
2) Start reheating leftovers in a large university town.
3) While simmmering, use liberal amounts of guilt to get univesity
administrators to create "Department of ____ Studies" (works best
with older, white-male admins).
4) Create tenured faculty positions for prominent people that were
tangentially involved in orginal movement.
5) Add published papers containing almost no content but impressive
titles.
6) Season to taste with pseudo-scientific jargon, borrowing heavily
from social sciences terminology.  (These do not need to be fresh
ideas, but they should be very broad and vague statements.)
7) Periodically toss in new terms for old concepts, being careful to
condemn the old terms so that the recipe seems innovative and modern.

Enjoy a lifetime of high-paying and respected professorships!
2013-08-27 03:58:11 PM
1 votes:
Jezebel is one of those websites that spends a lot of time on meaningless bullshiat and tries to make bold headline click-bait. Have a strong opinion that disagrees? They'll never approve your comment. Not sure what they're afraid of over there.
2013-08-27 03:29:57 PM
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.

Like ganguro style?
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Someone needs to tell the Japanese that stealing from the mexicans is where it's at, now.
2013-08-27 03:23:51 PM
1 votes:
Oh MY GOD BECKY!
2013-08-27 02:28:21 PM
1 votes:
I could buy most of the article's arguments, except for the end, where the author pretty much says it's never ever OK to borrow from other cultures (and her dismissal of the commenter asking a similar question was kind of a turn off).  I get that a history of oppression plays a strong role in determining whether or not borrowing from another culture is acceptable.  But I feel that there's a difference between cultural misappropriation and a genuine admiration or even desire of a particular culture; I'm just having trouble figuring out where the line between the two is.  I mean, the world should be a melting pot, right?  Why shouldn't we be able to share in the best any cultures have to offer?

/neither black nor white
2013-08-27 02:27:57 PM
1 votes:

Dafatone: Oh_Enough_Already: [614x1500 from http://31.media.tumblr.com/bc0e8032cd5270495cc4bc42e9c4f0d6/tumblr_mm1 alokIFN1s71q1zo1_1280.png image 614x1500]

Obvious fake is obvious?


Obvious parody is close enough to the truth that you almost couldn't tell?
2013-08-27 02:12:38 PM
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A. Snatchfold: Crewmannumber6: so it's white peoples fault black girls act like whores? Fark you.

No, but it's ignorant white people's faults that they think all black women act like whores.


I didn't say all black women, you made that jump. So what does that say about you?
2013-08-27 01:47:59 PM
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Crewmannumber6: so it's white peoples fault black girls act like whores? Fark you.


No, but it's ignorant white people's faults that they think all black women act like whores.
2013-08-27 01:40:25 PM
1 votes:

gfid: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

everyone is Irish on St. Patty's Day.

I'll buy you a beer next St. Patty's Day if I run into you.

/actually part Irish.
//If we deny black people the right to enjoy St. Patty's then we should deny all those other non-Irish farking white folks the pleasure of it too.
///Hell, the Irish have a lot of reasons to be pissed off at other white people


You said Patty instead of Paddy 3 times. I hate you.
2013-08-27 12:49:43 PM
1 votes:
This just in - acting like a whore is part of black culture.
All you caucasian-asian-other  whores stop that shiat right now.
Also, do not have a black friend, lest you be accused of accessorizing.
2013-08-27 12:46:51 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.


We know all about stealing from the black man, and holding him down, so we know for sure when it isn't happening.
2013-08-27 12:39:37 PM
1 votes:
Feminism mentioned twice in the first two sentences. Stopped reading there.
2013-08-27 12:33:38 PM
1 votes:
Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.
2013-08-27 12:06:14 PM
1 votes:
31.media.tumblr.com
2013-08-27 11:35:47 AM
1 votes:

James!: but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice


Yes it does.  That's what social justice is.  It's a guarantee of always being offended so you can always have justification for acting like an asshole.  It's like punk rock for people who don't like music.
2013-08-27 11:33:44 AM
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Giltric: It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?


Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!

i40.tinypic.com
2013-08-27 11:25:32 AM
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Super_pope: People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."


Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument.
2013-08-27 11:20:37 AM
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the writer of this article gives miley cyrus too much credit. there is no evidence that miley has the depth required to have thoughts and feelings at this scale. i think this performance just provided an opportunity to write about and discuss long-held beliefs about racism and femininity.

since i am not black, or a woman, it is not for me to say that this person isn't a victim of miley cyrus' racism that targets black women specifically... to me, it just looked like an idiot trying to be cool and failing. the girl (and her management) saw that all of the kids are into twerking, and told her to go have her madonna moment at the mtv award show. she is aping the concept of sensational performance far more than she is aping "urban" music and culture... at least she generated controversy, because she sure as hell cannot twerk...
2013-08-27 11:03:02 AM
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I'll just leave this here again:

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2013-08-27 10:30:57 AM
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I just... I... but... a pop tartlet does a somewhat provocotive routine on MTV and people are actually... this... what... so then... because pop music is so... I mean... Lady Gaga's butt... so then... cultural implications of twerking... I... holy jesus what's happening

How is this any kind of story/issue/discussion? I don't understand any of this at all...
2013-08-27 10:30:21 AM
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This is what I particularly don't care for "social justice" blogging, because it all too typically goes after what I consider easy targets without solutions. Not that I care for Miley's dancing or her attempts to act "thuggish", but she ain't the only white girl ever to pretend to be ghetto and hood to get attention. I liked listening to Eminem in my late teens/early 20s, and I never thought that he was "co-opting" black culture for simple material gain. Even if he was, well, he saw a niche for white rappers out there, and he made himself some money for it. It's more crass capitalism than racism, and it's not the same as a minstrel show.
2013-08-27 10:27:39 AM
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shortymac: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

The only bit I truly 100% agree with is with Miley smacking the ass of her black back-up dancer. It's extremely disrespectful to the dancer and I can easily see how people can call that racist.

Miley's only true intentions are "attention whoring for ad money", her publicists are over the moon right now with all the attention she's getting. They only way to stop this type of behavior is to vote with our attention and wallets. Ignore her and don't buy any of her products.


Madonna was way better at being shocking and making a career out of it. And at abusing her backup black dancers. Miley should follow that model if she wants to stay(?) relevant.
2013-08-27 10:20:43 AM
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gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


everyone is Irish on St. Patty's Day.

I'll buy you a beer next St. Patty's Day if I run into you.

/actually part Irish.
//If we deny black people the right to enjoy St. Patty's then we should deny all those other non-Irish farking white folks the pleasure of it too.
///Hell, the Irish have a lot of reasons to be pissed off at other white people
2013-08-27 10:04:15 AM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish
2013-08-27 10:03:34 AM
1 votes:
A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.
2013-08-27 10:02:20 AM
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Well said...I think we too often confuse race and "culture". "Culture" is a behavioral choice. To assign certain "cultural" choices to every member of a particular race is itself racist.
2013-08-27 10:01:38 AM
1 votes:
Man that woman has problems, ninjacate I mean.
2013-08-27 10:00:47 AM
1 votes:

tinderfitles: The page wraps up with complaints that Miley's dancing is tied to Trayvon Martin's death because the VMAs are imperialist.


Holy crap. I didn't read it all, then went back after you mentioned this just to verify... It really does.
2013-08-27 09:59:38 AM
1 votes:

MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?


I think it makes him drunk.
2013-08-27 09:57:52 AM
1 votes:
So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?
2013-08-27 09:53:59 AM
1 votes:

DeepDownHounds: Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman


*clicks profile*

dafuq?
2013-08-27 09:35:00 AM
1 votes:
i40.tinypic.com

I think I speak for everyone with this.
2013-08-27 09:33:23 AM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.
2013-08-27 09:32:50 AM
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I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.
2013-08-27 09:10:25 AM
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I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?
 
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