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2013-08-27 10:11:13 AM  
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2013-08-27 10:18:33 AM  
The article does bring up a valid point: It looks like Miley is trying to be Rihanna lite.
(Pun unintended, but I'll keep it in there.)

As for black women only being seen as sexualized objects... I think it's ridiculous. 1. Miley tries to be sexy like Rihanna, looks ridiculous. 2. Rihanna acts similarly to Miley, it's okay because she's black? Who exactly is sexualizing black women now?
 
2013-08-27 10:20:43 AM  

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


everyone is Irish on St. Patty's Day.

I'll buy you a beer next St. Patty's Day if I run into you.

/actually part Irish.
//If we deny black people the right to enjoy St. Patty's then we should deny all those other non-Irish farking white folks the pleasure of it too.
///Hell, the Irish have a lot of reasons to be pissed off at other white people
 
2013-08-27 10:27:39 AM  

shortymac: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

The only bit I truly 100% agree with is with Miley smacking the ass of her black back-up dancer. It's extremely disrespectful to the dancer and I can easily see how people can call that racist.

Miley's only true intentions are "attention whoring for ad money", her publicists are over the moon right now with all the attention she's getting. They only way to stop this type of behavior is to vote with our attention and wallets. Ignore her and don't buy any of her products.


Madonna was way better at being shocking and making a career out of it. And at abusing her backup black dancers. Miley should follow that model if she wants to stay(?) relevant.
 
2013-08-27 10:29:28 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish


My pat response is, "my mom's maiden name was (Irish surname). How about you?".

Usually shuts them up.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:21 AM  
This is what I particularly don't care for "social justice" blogging, because it all too typically goes after what I consider easy targets without solutions. Not that I care for Miley's dancing or her attempts to act "thuggish", but she ain't the only white girl ever to pretend to be ghetto and hood to get attention. I liked listening to Eminem in my late teens/early 20s, and I never thought that he was "co-opting" black culture for simple material gain. Even if he was, well, he saw a niche for white rappers out there, and he made himself some money for it. It's more crass capitalism than racism, and it's not the same as a minstrel show.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:57 AM  
I just... I... but... a pop tartlet does a somewhat provocotive routine on MTV and people are actually... this... what... so then... because pop music is so... I mean... Lady Gaga's butt... so then... cultural implications of twerking... I... holy jesus what's happening

How is this any kind of story/issue/discussion? I don't understand any of this at all...
 
2013-08-27 10:31:44 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.

There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.


I don't know, I've seen a lot of black people who have co-opted stuff from the predominantly white punk scene. The hair dye, body piercings and all that. Plus, for those of us who have actually been to a strip club in the last 30 years might recognize a lot of the dance moves and fashion choices that white girls are supposedly co-opting from black women.
 
2013-08-27 10:37:07 AM  

JAGChem82: I liked listening to Eminem in my late teens/early 20s, and I never thought that he was "co-opting" black culture for simple material gain.


That's because he really wasn't.  He was a member of poor urban culture, for lack of a better term, and thus wasn't co-opting shiat.  You could make a better argument that someone like Talib Kweli is co-opting poor urban culture, given that he is the park slope raised son of two professionals with a brother who clerked for the supreme court, than someone born to a 15 year old drug addict and who grew up in ghetto detroit.
 
2013-08-27 10:39:42 AM  
A conundrum: I don't want to give their site page clicks, but I want to make fun of the stuff they write.
 
2013-08-27 10:40:41 AM  

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


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Don't forget about Gwen...
 
2013-08-27 10:42:41 AM  
Actually, the great blog Sociological Images has several posts about the use of minorities as props.
 
2013-08-27 10:43:13 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.


There was an article or post somewhere on the internet that I liked that addressed this.

The difference is the history of oppression.  Ripping off black culture IS worse than ripping off white culture.

/Nobody's saying Miley's intentionally being racist.  Intent isn't the point here.
 
2013-08-27 10:45:21 AM  

JAGChem82: gilgigamesh: The All-Powerful Atheismo: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish

My pat response is, "my mom's maiden name was (Irish surname). How about you?".

Usually shuts them up.

Haha, I will say as a black guy, SPD is the one of the few instances where we try and get in touch with our "white" roots. Now that I'm in GA, I've been meaning to go down to Savannah on that day to see what the fuss is all about.


Black people appropriating white culture? LOL, we don't care, party on dude.

waitaminute, the Irish count as white?

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2013-08-27 10:46:17 AM  
And as for racist co-opting of another ethnicity's culture, where were all these hardcore social justice types when Polaris unveiled their revived Indian motorcyles at Sturgis? For those who don't think that's racist, take a look at one of those bikes, and the logo, now imagine it as Negro motorcycles. Back when Indian first started it was acceptable, but that company went out of business in 1953.

But no, a silly girl makes an ass of herself, so everybody has to see it through their own particular ideological lense and get their share of the attention generated by this blatant act of attention whoring.
 
2013-08-27 10:46:55 AM  
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2013-08-27 10:54:44 AM  
We're greenlighting random internet comments now?

Wait until Reddit finds out about this.
 
2013-08-27 10:56:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese Korean kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.


http://www.hulu.com/watch/183062
 
2013-08-27 11:00:42 AM  

Theaetetus: Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.

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Don't forget about Gwen...


That to me is an actual clear case of race as props, and offers a nice comparison to what I was saying.

Japanese culture is much more closely tied to a particular race, given that Japan is one of, if not the, most homogeneous country in the world, racially speaking.  Thus when someone not japanese uses a rather shallow iconography from a small facet of japan to dress up her bland southern cali surfer girl image, it feels like using a whole race/culture as a prop.  And thus it is pretty damn reasonable to discuss the racism involved there.

However, hip-hop, booty-dancing, etc. are not inherently black, anymore than country is inherently white.  One is predominantly urban, and associated with the poor, and the other is predominantly rural and also associated with the poor.  To use the example above, eminem is not pretending to be black, he is legitimately being poor and urban.  He is not Gwen Stefani, he would be comparable to a white girl who actually grew up near Harajuku.

This type of music, or type of dance is really more class associated, than race associated.  But in America we like to gloss over class because it makes us feel icky about capitalism, so we make a shorthand: urban poor = black.  Thus we can now safely discuss things like the welfare state, crumbling infrastructure, etc as a racial issue, which has the two pronged benefit of deflecting the discussion onto a slew of other messy topics and keeping the urban poor and the rural poor from joining up (i.e. how many clips have you seen of poor whites arguing against government aid because its for them blacks).
 
2013-08-27 11:01:34 AM  

JAGChem82: gilgigamesh: The All-Powerful Atheismo: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish

My pat response is, "my mom's maiden name was (Irish surname). How about you?".

Usually shuts them up.

Haha, I will say as a black guy, SPD is the one of the few instances where we try and get in touch with our "white" roots. Now that I'm in GA, I've been meaning to go down to Savannah on that day to see what the fuss is all about.


It's died down a bit but it is still a lot of fun. Especially when it falls on like a Thursday or Friday, but if ya come down I will be the first to buy you a drink. Just a heads up though the rules tend to shift a lot from year to year so grab a local paper they usually run articles on the list of do's and don'ts.
 
2013-08-27 11:03:02 AM  
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2013-08-27 11:03:30 AM  

gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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2013-08-27 11:14:50 AM  

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


Racists don't belong at St. Patty's parades. St. Patrick always chased off the snakes.
 
2013-08-27 11:16:18 AM  

The Muthaship: A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.


I'm just hoping its funded by us tax payers so I can feel like I'm contributing
 
2013-08-27 11:16:49 AM  
Unless she was shuckin' and jivin', her "dance" wasn't racist.
 
2013-08-27 11:20:37 AM  
the writer of this article gives miley cyrus too much credit. there is no evidence that miley has the depth required to have thoughts and feelings at this scale. i think this performance just provided an opportunity to write about and discuss long-held beliefs about racism and femininity.

since i am not black, or a woman, it is not for me to say that this person isn't a victim of miley cyrus' racism that targets black women specifically... to me, it just looked like an idiot trying to be cool and failing. the girl (and her management) saw that all of the kids are into twerking, and told her to go have her madonna moment at the mtv award show. she is aping the concept of sensational performance far more than she is aping "urban" music and culture... at least she generated controversy, because she sure as hell cannot twerk...
 
2013-08-27 11:21:55 AM  
People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."
 
2013-08-27 11:22:25 AM  

LectertheChef: And as for racist co-opting of another ethnicity's culture, where were all these hardcore social justice types when Polaris unveiled their revived Indian motorcyles at Sturgis? For those who don't think that's racist, take a look at one of those bikes, and the logo, now imagine it as Negro motorcycles. Back when Indian first started it was acceptable, but that company went out of business in 1953.

But no, a silly girl makes an ass of herself, so everybody has to see it through their own particular ideological lense and get their share of the attention generated by this blatant act of attention whoring.


Wouldn't this still be the case if the subject was motorcycles instead of pop music?
 
2013-08-27 11:23:58 AM  

Rapmaster2000: gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.  I'm not even criticizing it from a historical/that's so racist/redskins type of angle.  It's simply ridiculous and terrible.  It's like Xanadu crossed with the Pocahantas.

I blame cocaine.


I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?
 
2013-08-27 11:24:05 AM  

LectertheChef: God Is My Co-Pirate: MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.

There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I don't know, I've seen a lot of black people who have co-opted stuff from the predominantly white punk scene. The hair dye, body piercings and all that. Plus, for those of us who have actually been to a strip club in the last 30 years might recognize a lot of the dance moves and fashion choices that white girls are supposedly co-opting from black women.


And those strip club moves come via Jamaican dance halls.

But the problem isn't an individual, anonymous white girl choosing to dance "black."  The problem is the wider social context in which a black woman dancing "black" is called ghetto or treated like an object, or at best ignored, while a rich, famous white woman doing it for a tv stunt gets money and attention and is "edgy."

Like a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask should - should - generate no more controversy than any other president, but get a crowd of white people cheering for a black man to be run down by a bull - in a part of the world that still has plenty of racial tension - that becomes gross.
 
2013-08-27 11:24:49 AM  
It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?
 
2013-08-27 11:25:19 AM  

Mugato: Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.


We were jolly green giants walking the earth then.
 
2013-08-27 11:25:32 AM  

Super_pope: People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."


Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument.
 
2013-08-27 11:33:10 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The problem is the wider social context in which a black woman dancing "black" is called ghetto or treated like an object, or at best ignored, while a rich, famous white woman doing it for a tv stunt gets money and attention and is "edgy."


Yeah TFA's point on that rung a bit hollow to me as well.  As if Rhianna was a poor unknown artist whose work was appropriated by some white chick, leaving her to languor in the depths of obscurity.  Rich people get press.  Rich people who used to be wholesome child stars who go raunchy gain more press.  The attempt to make that about race on the part of the author seem a tad desperate to me.
 
2013-08-27 11:33:44 AM  

Giltric: It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?


Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!

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2013-08-27 11:35:47 AM  

James!: but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice


Yes it does.  That's what social justice is.  It's a guarantee of always being offended so you can always have justification for acting like an asshole.  It's like punk rock for people who don't like music.
 
2013-08-27 11:41:53 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!


Is this one of those optical illusion things, where if I look long enough I'll see someone other than the girl in the picture?  If so, I'm up for the challenge.
 
2013-08-27 11:53:34 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Super_pope: People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."

Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument.


Not really. It addresses it, but it hardly "nullifies" it.  Mostly it just declares by fiat that any discussion of that simple fact is a "derail" of the discussion, then condescends to us all by declaring that the entire incident can only be properly understood in the context of "cultural imperialism and the colonial history that minorities face." So only Real True Social Justice Warriors can "get it," and any attempt to argue otherwise is "derailing"

I strongly suspect that any attempt to argue this point with the author would lead to further condescension in the form of "You need to brush up on Feminism/Racism/Social Justice 101,  because you clearly Just Don't Get it, and I'm way too busy to hold your hand through all of that just to show why you're wrong, but trust me, you are wrong, wrong wrongity wrong, and if you only had as much education in this area as I do, you wouldn't even be arguing it.But you don't, so you'll just have to accept that you are wrong on my say so"

In fact, looking at the discussion, that's pretty much her exact response to the commenter who brings up that point.

"you've completely missed the point. I'm really not about to spoonfeed you Racism 101 rhetoric at 1am"

"I just recognize that there's a whole lot of other theory you need to ingest first before you can even begin to comprehend the points I've made here, and I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you."


See, you can't argue against this position without the proper credentials. but you know how she knows  you don't have the proper credentials? Because if you did, you wouldn't be arguing against it, you'd just agree with her.

That's some catch, that catch 22
 
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2013-08-27 11:56:39 AM  

Strik3r: I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?


IIRC, Cherokee never wore elaborate headdresses. So she's probably doubleplusracist.
 
2013-08-27 12:04:11 PM  

Strik3r: Rapmaster2000: gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.  I'm not even criticizing it from a historical/that's so racist/redskins type of angle.  It's simply ridiculous and terrible.  It's like Xanadu crossed with the Pocahantas.

I blame cocaine.

I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?


Who knows.

Am I still allowed to listen to James Brown?

Was Jimi Hendrix co-opting white rock and roll with his music?  Was rock and roll co-opting black music in the first place.

Goddammit, can't we all just chill out and have a good time?

The last time I saw George Clinton he had a white woman singing with him and P-Funk.  The last time I saw the Allman Brothers there were a couple of black people in the band..

Get a grip people.
 
2013-08-27 12:06:14 PM  
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2013-08-27 12:06:47 PM  
"Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument."

If you mean the "monolithic part," hardly.  She's picked out one stupid fad she thinks is going to be beneficial to her (the ratchet) and she's running with it.  I would posit it isn't working for her.  What's she going to do, counterbalance it with Booker T. Washington and Fredrick Douglas impersonators giving a rousing speech, then close with by thanking George Washington Carver for peanut butter before wrestling some biatches in a vat of it?  Its a (really grotesque) three minute performance, and she's not THAT stupid.

She knows what seems to sell right now and its this kind of crap.  She's not going to make money trying to ape frigging Duke Ellington.  She won't make any money doing THIS I don't think because it comes off as awkward, desperate, and terrible, but she had a much better chance.

Also people talk about her being celebrated for this and paraded around like she was king of the VMAs.  I would say the enormous majority of the feedback I'm getting from EVERY person in my life is that this was awful.  Maybe for different reasons, but the response is pretty much, "God that was terrible."

And if she insists on keeping white hands out of all black culture I assume she shuns all creative works by black artists that are supported in any way by white fiscal backers, songwriters, producers, or distribution and logistical networks?  And all of the ones who are the FACE of selling this culture to stupid white people as, "What black people are like?"

What drives me CRAZY is PoC who see everything from a CRAAAAAAAZILY White American viewpoint and don't even see it.  "Doctors without borders does a bad thing because they come in all colonial like and play the white savior for fun, spreading the image that Somalians (or whatever) can't take care of themselves."  I bet those Somalis are really pissed off at the presumptive crackers bringing them medicine.  They've got a loooooot more pressing concerns than telling people bringing shiat they need to, "check your privilege."
 
2013-08-27 12:10:41 PM  
Oh hey, another poorly-written non-story about some asinine bullshiat from Jezebel.

Quelle Suprise.

It's like they are the Westboro Baptist Church of pop journalism.
 
2013-08-27 12:15:28 PM  
The two things I got from that article:

1: Miley was acting black at the VMAs, and that's bad.
2: It's racist to imply that the behaviors Miley engaged in were culturally "black".

Sooooo...the author is calling herself a racist.  Got it.
 
2013-08-27 12:26:15 PM  

Super_pope: What drives me CRAZY is PoC who see everything from a CRAAAAAAAZILY White American viewpoint and don't even see it. "Doctors without borders does a bad thing because they come in all colonial like and play the white savior for fun, spreading the image that Somalians (or whatever) can't take care of themselves." I bet those Somalis are really pissed off at the presumptive crackers bringing them medicine. They've got a loooooot more pressing concerns than telling people bringing shiat they need to, "check your privilege."


This part wasn't a great model of my point now that I think about it.  A much better one is to look at the American backlash to ads for the PSP and Resident Evil 4's (I think) setting being some fictional country in Africa.

In the first place, the adds had two different women playing PSPs, the white one had a white psp, and the black woman had a black one.  They were shown basically trying to dominate assume a dominate position in a conflict with each other.  The images were paired with lines reading, "Pick white," or "Pick black" or something to that effect on different billboards.  Seems like a no brainer that this would piss people off right?  Expect the whole thing was done in like... Sweden.  The huge outpouring of outrage totally neglected to acknowledge that basically nobody in the country where this advertisement campaign had been put together had any reason to even suspect someone would be offended, becausssssse SURPRISE SURPRISE SWEDEN IS NOT farkING AMERICA AND DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME HISTORY.

Resident Evil four was a good one too, since the creative team that put it together was overwhelmingly Japanese people who were born and raised in Japan.  Again, probably just something they didn't even think about saying, "Hmmm will this upset African Americans," because they're not American.  But there was a massive uproar by SJ bloggers about how terribly racist it was to have a game where a white person shot mostly black people.  It totally went over their heads of everyone involved that the cultural differences between the white American culture that permeates them so much they're mostly blind to it, and the Japanese culture made the game designers VERY unlikely to even notice what to them was obvious.
 
2013-08-27 12:29:34 PM  

mhd: Strik3r: I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?

IIRC, Cherokee never wore elaborate headdresses. So she's probably doubleplusracist.


IIRC, the song was a protest against racism, and the plight of a mixed race girl being shunned by both white and native cultures.

So definitely doubleplus reverse racist bibigotry.
 
2013-08-27 12:33:38 PM  
Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.
 
2013-08-27 12:36:08 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Giltric: It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?

Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!

[640x360 from http://i40.tinypic.com/162vx0.jpg image 640x360]


i.imgur.com

Man, I just HAD to.
 
2013-08-27 12:39:37 PM  
Feminism mentioned twice in the first two sentences. Stopped reading there.
 
2013-08-27 12:43:52 PM  

dahmers love zombie: The two things I got from that article:

1: Miley was acting black at the VMAs, and that's bad.
2: It's racist to imply that the behaviors Miley engaged in were culturally "black".

Sooooo...the author is calling herself a racist.  Got it.


Gibberish hoist by own petard my own summary
 
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