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2013-08-27 09:04:25 AM
I actually enjoyed seeing all the back up dancers with very nice cabooses.
 
2013-08-27 09:05:39 AM
Thank goodness there's someone on the internet who isn't afraid to discriminate against people based on race. I mean, if Miley was black, there's no story here, right?
 
2013-08-27 09:07:55 AM
Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.
 
2013-08-27 09:10:25 AM
I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?
 
2013-08-27 09:13:12 AM
I've come to realize that foam fingers are, in fact, quite erotic.
 
2013-08-27 09:15:50 AM
Well, I'm glad we finally got around to talking about how racist it was.  That means the whole mess is a few minutes away from being forgotten.
 
2013-08-27 09:22:10 AM
Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.
 
2013-08-27 09:23:54 AM
Oh: and Miley Cyrus can't sing. She was totally upstaged talent wise by Robin Thicke.
 
2013-08-27 09:24:52 AM
WTF is that woman talking about?

I didn't see Miley's performance but quite frankly I think some black people will see racism in anything anyone does.

If a white firefighter saved this whole woman's family from a burning house she would probably scream racism.
 
2013-08-27 09:25:47 AM

styckx: I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?


Essentially the articles main point is that by "twirking" Miley essentially stole black female sexuality or something.

The problem is that they completely sidestepped the other glaring teddy bear in the room, and that is the commodification of black female sexuality in Miley's performance. But it's not a thing that white women deal with, so it didn't warrant inclusion or discussion by the white-led mainstream feminist media.

The author also has a problem with the use of backup dancers as she goes onto state:
From her insistence on twerking, to her use of all black women asliteral props(they were teddy bears) to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming, it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued and put on display for entertainment purposes.

Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian. The page wraps up with complaints that Miley's dancing is tied to Trayvon Martin's death because the VMAs are imperialist.
 
2013-08-27 09:26:41 AM

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.



I am certain that her primary goal was to objectify herself to the maximum and that she most likely surpassed her goal.........  I doubt she gave much consideration to the backup.
 
2013-08-27 09:26:58 AM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-27 09:32:50 AM
I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.
 
2013-08-27 09:33:23 AM

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.
 
2013-08-27 09:35:00 AM
i40.tinypic.com

I think I speak for everyone with this.
 
2013-08-27 09:37:48 AM

tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.


a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-08-27 09:38:26 AM
Maybe I'm getting old, but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice.  It was a stupid performance by a stupid kid who embarrassed herself in front of millions.  There's no need to manufacture personal outrage like Miley goddamn Cyrus victimized you.
 
2013-08-27 09:39:26 AM
FFS.

that is all.
 
2013-08-27 09:40:34 AM

MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.


There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.
 
2013-08-27 09:42:19 AM

gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.  I'm not even criticizing it from a historical/that's so racist/redskins type of angle.  It's simply ridiculous and terrible.  It's like Xanadu crossed with the Pocahantas.

I blame cocaine.
 
2013-08-27 09:43:54 AM
That's it, I'm celebrating white culture with a bigass luau which will include barbeque, curries, and a dim sum bar.

White culture: we will subjugate your people all in the name of decent take away food.
 
2013-08-27 09:46:27 AM
If Chris Brown had stormed the stage and punched her, the performance would have been racist. Otherwise, it was just tardish.
 
2013-08-27 09:46:45 AM
Dafuq?

www.lolbrary.com

Dafuq
 
2013-08-27 09:48:13 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill


Congratulations. You just made the author's point better than she did, and saved 1,000 words in the process.
 
2013-08-27 09:49:05 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.


I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.
 
2013-08-27 09:50:28 AM
The piece does bring up a lot of good points, but I'm leaning more toward Miley just being utterly clueless about the larger world.

That said, she didn't put this together by herself, there is a massive production team behind it. They should probably know better, but simulated interracial anal rimming really hits all the right demos. The kids just love it.

Also, I'm sure those dancers liked the pay for a really easy job. Sociology is for the well-to-do.
 
2013-08-27 09:51:30 AM

gilgigamesh: Oh: and Miley Cyrus can't sing. She was totally upstaged talent wise by Robin Thicke.


She can't really dance, either. If she had actually co-opted black culture, it would've been an improvement.

The upside of all this for me is that I hadn't realized until this whole kerfuffle that Robin Thicke's song was so gross and rapey.

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2013-08-27 09:52:29 AM
Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman
 
2013-08-27 09:53:59 AM

DeepDownHounds: Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman


*clicks profile*

dafuq?
 
2013-08-27 09:54:29 AM

HotWingConspiracy: anal rimming


We can at least thank Miley that she has forced the 24 hour news cycle to talk endlessly about rimjobs.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:25 AM

Teiritzamna: (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determine what i get to act like)


Bill Cosby.  You must have missed the meeting.  But come on, give it to the Cos.  He earned it.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:46 AM

Rapmaster2000: DeepDownHounds: Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman

*clicks profile*

dafuq?


How dare you objectify a proud black woman who is apparently stuck in the body of a nerdy white guy I guess.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:52 AM
So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?
 
2013-08-27 09:58:44 AM

Shadowknight: Bill Cosby. You must have missed the meeting. But come on, give it to the Cos. He earned it.


So THAT'S why i love sweaters and puddin'!
 
2013-08-27 09:59:20 AM

gilgigamesh: How dare you objectify a proud black woman who is apparently stuck in the body of a nerdy white guy I guess.


he's transracial.  a cisraced individual like you could never understand.
 
2013-08-27 09:59:38 AM

MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?


I think it makes him drunk.
 
2013-08-27 10:00:07 AM
Only Jezebel can make you want to take Miley's side in this sh*t show.
 
2013-08-27 10:00:47 AM

tinderfitles: The page wraps up with complaints that Miley's dancing is tied to Trayvon Martin's death because the VMAs are imperialist.


Holy crap. I didn't read it all, then went back after you mentioned this just to verify... It really does.
 
2013-08-27 10:00:53 AM
 
2013-08-27 10:00:55 AM
 
2013-08-27 10:01:22 AM

MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?


FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy
 
2013-08-27 10:01:38 AM
Man that woman has problems, ninjacate I mean.
 
2013-08-27 10:02:10 AM

James!: Maybe I'm getting old, but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice.  It was a stupid performance by a stupid kid who embarrassed herself in front of millions.  There's no need to manufacture personal outrage like Miley goddamn Cyrus victimized you.


Forget it, James, it's the Internet.

Everyone must talk about everything all the time.

//also, you're getting old.
 
2013-08-27 10:02:20 AM

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Well said...I think we too often confuse race and "culture". "Culture" is a behavioral choice. To assign certain "cultural" choices to every member of a particular race is itself racist.
 
2013-08-27 10:03:34 AM
A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.
 
2013-08-27 10:04:15 AM

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish
 
2013-08-27 10:06:38 AM

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


The only bit I truly 100% agree with is with Miley smacking the ass of her black back-up dancer. It's extremely disrespectful to the dancer and I can easily see how people can call that racist.

Miley's only true intentions are "attention whoring for ad money", her publicists are over the moon right now with all the attention she's getting. They only way to stop this type of behavior is to vote with our attention and wallets. Ignore her and don't buy any of her products.
 
mhd
2013-08-27 10:07:38 AM

Rapmaster2000: Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.


I just remember the video, and given Cher in her prime barely dressed, I'm quite glad that it happened. Don't really remember the song itself.
 
2013-08-27 10:08:40 AM
I really can't wrap my head around these allegations that Miley is racist, or robbing black culture for her own gain; for years now, the pointy end of the pop-music market has been dominated by black artists, rappers, or music that has roots in black culture/dance/etc, particularly the segment of the market that's aimed above the kids that have been Miley's traditional audience. Is it really such a shock that she'd be influenced by (or trying to muscle in on) this scene if she wants to continue her career? At some point you have to accept that if you're going to turn your culture into a commodity then it is going to become diluted and, well, go mainstream. Miley isn't edgy, she's just following the curve, and a little overblown controversy has kept her in the spotlight while she does it.

For what it's worth I think she's got a great voice, but her country-chops really don't fit with the direction she's taken.
 
2013-08-27 10:10:45 AM

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Exactly.  There's something Marie Antoinette-ish about the whole thing. Is it racist?  Well, not in the sense of deliberate harm, no, but it sure comes out of a landscape of racial inequality.

The rich white girl gets the money and the attention, and tomorrow she can take off her costume and move on to the next trendy thing.

Personally I just wish she'd put her tongue away.  You're so rebellious, we get it.
 
2013-08-27 10:11:13 AM
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2013-08-27 10:18:33 AM
The article does bring up a valid point: It looks like Miley is trying to be Rihanna lite.
(Pun unintended, but I'll keep it in there.)

As for black women only being seen as sexualized objects... I think it's ridiculous. 1. Miley tries to be sexy like Rihanna, looks ridiculous. 2. Rihanna acts similarly to Miley, it's okay because she's black? Who exactly is sexualizing black women now?
 
2013-08-27 10:20:43 AM

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


everyone is Irish on St. Patty's Day.

I'll buy you a beer next St. Patty's Day if I run into you.

/actually part Irish.
//If we deny black people the right to enjoy St. Patty's then we should deny all those other non-Irish farking white folks the pleasure of it too.
///Hell, the Irish have a lot of reasons to be pissed off at other white people
 
2013-08-27 10:27:39 AM

shortymac: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

The only bit I truly 100% agree with is with Miley smacking the ass of her black back-up dancer. It's extremely disrespectful to the dancer and I can easily see how people can call that racist.

Miley's only true intentions are "attention whoring for ad money", her publicists are over the moon right now with all the attention she's getting. They only way to stop this type of behavior is to vote with our attention and wallets. Ignore her and don't buy any of her products.


Madonna was way better at being shocking and making a career out of it. And at abusing her backup black dancers. Miley should follow that model if she wants to stay(?) relevant.
 
2013-08-27 10:29:28 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish


My pat response is, "my mom's maiden name was (Irish surname). How about you?".

Usually shuts them up.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:21 AM
This is what I particularly don't care for "social justice" blogging, because it all too typically goes after what I consider easy targets without solutions. Not that I care for Miley's dancing or her attempts to act "thuggish", but she ain't the only white girl ever to pretend to be ghetto and hood to get attention. I liked listening to Eminem in my late teens/early 20s, and I never thought that he was "co-opting" black culture for simple material gain. Even if he was, well, he saw a niche for white rappers out there, and he made himself some money for it. It's more crass capitalism than racism, and it's not the same as a minstrel show.
 
2013-08-27 10:30:57 AM
I just... I... but... a pop tartlet does a somewhat provocotive routine on MTV and people are actually... this... what... so then... because pop music is so... I mean... Lady Gaga's butt... so then... cultural implications of twerking... I... holy jesus what's happening

How is this any kind of story/issue/discussion? I don't understand any of this at all...
 
2013-08-27 10:31:44 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.

There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.


I don't know, I've seen a lot of black people who have co-opted stuff from the predominantly white punk scene. The hair dye, body piercings and all that. Plus, for those of us who have actually been to a strip club in the last 30 years might recognize a lot of the dance moves and fashion choices that white girls are supposedly co-opting from black women.
 
2013-08-27 10:37:07 AM

JAGChem82: I liked listening to Eminem in my late teens/early 20s, and I never thought that he was "co-opting" black culture for simple material gain.


That's because he really wasn't.  He was a member of poor urban culture, for lack of a better term, and thus wasn't co-opting shiat.  You could make a better argument that someone like Talib Kweli is co-opting poor urban culture, given that he is the park slope raised son of two professionals with a brother who clerked for the supreme court, than someone born to a 15 year old drug addict and who grew up in ghetto detroit.
 
2013-08-27 10:39:42 AM
A conundrum: I don't want to give their site page clicks, but I want to make fun of the stuff they write.
 
2013-08-27 10:40:41 AM

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


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Don't forget about Gwen...
 
2013-08-27 10:42:41 AM
Actually, the great blog Sociological Images has several posts about the use of minorities as props.
 
2013-08-27 10:43:13 AM

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.


There was an article or post somewhere on the internet that I liked that addressed this.

The difference is the history of oppression.  Ripping off black culture IS worse than ripping off white culture.

/Nobody's saying Miley's intentionally being racist.  Intent isn't the point here.
 
2013-08-27 10:45:21 AM

JAGChem82: gilgigamesh: The All-Powerful Atheismo: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish

My pat response is, "my mom's maiden name was (Irish surname). How about you?".

Usually shuts them up.

Haha, I will say as a black guy, SPD is the one of the few instances where we try and get in touch with our "white" roots. Now that I'm in GA, I've been meaning to go down to Savannah on that day to see what the fuss is all about.


Black people appropriating white culture? LOL, we don't care, party on dude.

waitaminute, the Irish count as white?

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2013-08-27 10:46:17 AM
And as for racist co-opting of another ethnicity's culture, where were all these hardcore social justice types when Polaris unveiled their revived Indian motorcyles at Sturgis? For those who don't think that's racist, take a look at one of those bikes, and the logo, now imagine it as Negro motorcycles. Back when Indian first started it was acceptable, but that company went out of business in 1953.

But no, a silly girl makes an ass of herself, so everybody has to see it through their own particular ideological lense and get their share of the attention generated by this blatant act of attention whoring.
 
2013-08-27 10:46:55 AM
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2013-08-27 10:54:44 AM
We're greenlighting random internet comments now?

Wait until Reddit finds out about this.
 
2013-08-27 10:56:06 AM

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese Korean kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.


http://www.hulu.com/watch/183062
 
2013-08-27 11:00:42 AM

Theaetetus: Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.

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Don't forget about Gwen...


That to me is an actual clear case of race as props, and offers a nice comparison to what I was saying.

Japanese culture is much more closely tied to a particular race, given that Japan is one of, if not the, most homogeneous country in the world, racially speaking.  Thus when someone not japanese uses a rather shallow iconography from a small facet of japan to dress up her bland southern cali surfer girl image, it feels like using a whole race/culture as a prop.  And thus it is pretty damn reasonable to discuss the racism involved there.

However, hip-hop, booty-dancing, etc. are not inherently black, anymore than country is inherently white.  One is predominantly urban, and associated with the poor, and the other is predominantly rural and also associated with the poor.  To use the example above, eminem is not pretending to be black, he is legitimately being poor and urban.  He is not Gwen Stefani, he would be comparable to a white girl who actually grew up near Harajuku.

This type of music, or type of dance is really more class associated, than race associated.  But in America we like to gloss over class because it makes us feel icky about capitalism, so we make a shorthand: urban poor = black.  Thus we can now safely discuss things like the welfare state, crumbling infrastructure, etc as a racial issue, which has the two pronged benefit of deflecting the discussion onto a slew of other messy topics and keeping the urban poor and the rural poor from joining up (i.e. how many clips have you seen of poor whites arguing against government aid because its for them blacks).
 
2013-08-27 11:01:34 AM

JAGChem82: gilgigamesh: The All-Powerful Atheismo: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish

My pat response is, "my mom's maiden name was (Irish surname). How about you?".

Usually shuts them up.

Haha, I will say as a black guy, SPD is the one of the few instances where we try and get in touch with our "white" roots. Now that I'm in GA, I've been meaning to go down to Savannah on that day to see what the fuss is all about.


It's died down a bit but it is still a lot of fun. Especially when it falls on like a Thursday or Friday, but if ya come down I will be the first to buy you a drink. Just a heads up though the rules tend to shift a lot from year to year so grab a local paper they usually run articles on the list of do's and don'ts.
 
2013-08-27 11:03:02 AM
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2013-08-27 11:03:30 AM

gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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2013-08-27 11:14:50 AM

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


Racists don't belong at St. Patty's parades. St. Patrick always chased off the snakes.
 
2013-08-27 11:16:18 AM

The Muthaship: A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.


I'm just hoping its funded by us tax payers so I can feel like I'm contributing
 
2013-08-27 11:16:49 AM
Unless she was shuckin' and jivin', her "dance" wasn't racist.
 
2013-08-27 11:20:37 AM
the writer of this article gives miley cyrus too much credit. there is no evidence that miley has the depth required to have thoughts and feelings at this scale. i think this performance just provided an opportunity to write about and discuss long-held beliefs about racism and femininity.

since i am not black, or a woman, it is not for me to say that this person isn't a victim of miley cyrus' racism that targets black women specifically... to me, it just looked like an idiot trying to be cool and failing. the girl (and her management) saw that all of the kids are into twerking, and told her to go have her madonna moment at the mtv award show. she is aping the concept of sensational performance far more than she is aping "urban" music and culture... at least she generated controversy, because she sure as hell cannot twerk...
 
2013-08-27 11:21:55 AM
People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."
 
2013-08-27 11:22:25 AM

LectertheChef: And as for racist co-opting of another ethnicity's culture, where were all these hardcore social justice types when Polaris unveiled their revived Indian motorcyles at Sturgis? For those who don't think that's racist, take a look at one of those bikes, and the logo, now imagine it as Negro motorcycles. Back when Indian first started it was acceptable, but that company went out of business in 1953.

But no, a silly girl makes an ass of herself, so everybody has to see it through their own particular ideological lense and get their share of the attention generated by this blatant act of attention whoring.


Wouldn't this still be the case if the subject was motorcycles instead of pop music?
 
2013-08-27 11:23:58 AM

Rapmaster2000: gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.  I'm not even criticizing it from a historical/that's so racist/redskins type of angle.  It's simply ridiculous and terrible.  It's like Xanadu crossed with the Pocahantas.

I blame cocaine.


I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?
 
2013-08-27 11:24:05 AM

LectertheChef: God Is My Co-Pirate: MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.

There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I don't know, I've seen a lot of black people who have co-opted stuff from the predominantly white punk scene. The hair dye, body piercings and all that. Plus, for those of us who have actually been to a strip club in the last 30 years might recognize a lot of the dance moves and fashion choices that white girls are supposedly co-opting from black women.


And those strip club moves come via Jamaican dance halls.

But the problem isn't an individual, anonymous white girl choosing to dance "black."  The problem is the wider social context in which a black woman dancing "black" is called ghetto or treated like an object, or at best ignored, while a rich, famous white woman doing it for a tv stunt gets money and attention and is "edgy."

Like a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask should - should - generate no more controversy than any other president, but get a crowd of white people cheering for a black man to be run down by a bull - in a part of the world that still has plenty of racial tension - that becomes gross.
 
2013-08-27 11:24:49 AM
It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?
 
2013-08-27 11:25:19 AM

Mugato: Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.


We were jolly green giants walking the earth then.
 
2013-08-27 11:25:32 AM

Super_pope: People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."


Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument.
 
2013-08-27 11:33:10 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: The problem is the wider social context in which a black woman dancing "black" is called ghetto or treated like an object, or at best ignored, while a rich, famous white woman doing it for a tv stunt gets money and attention and is "edgy."


Yeah TFA's point on that rung a bit hollow to me as well.  As if Rhianna was a poor unknown artist whose work was appropriated by some white chick, leaving her to languor in the depths of obscurity.  Rich people get press.  Rich people who used to be wholesome child stars who go raunchy gain more press.  The attempt to make that about race on the part of the author seem a tad desperate to me.
 
2013-08-27 11:33:44 AM

Giltric: It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?


Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!

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2013-08-27 11:35:47 AM

James!: but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice


Yes it does.  That's what social justice is.  It's a guarantee of always being offended so you can always have justification for acting like an asshole.  It's like punk rock for people who don't like music.
 
2013-08-27 11:41:53 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!


Is this one of those optical illusion things, where if I look long enough I'll see someone other than the girl in the picture?  If so, I'm up for the challenge.
 
2013-08-27 11:53:34 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Super_pope: People who cry, "cultural misappropriation," are usually just idiots.

Oh its racist for her to dance that way, cause "that's the way blacks dance and its their culture and not hers, this is not her place as a white person?"  She's buying into a fad for dancing like a vulgar stripper.  Looking like a gross whore is something... you apparently think is just for black people.  I keep seeing things about how, "This is someone's lived experience she's putting on to seem cool blah blah."  Sure it is.  Things poor black people do have been sold to her generation REALLY hard as representing what's cool.  If she can't dance that way, you can't play rap on the public airwaves because whites might listen to it and enjoy it, and that's not their place.
 Its not like she's offering christian prayers to idols of Buddha and Mohamed while wearing an Indian headdress and eating fried chicken and watermelon.  I think that its a crappy thing to make fashion and decorating fads out of other cultures traditional symbols and things.  Twerking is not a "black tradition."

Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument.


Not really. It addresses it, but it hardly "nullifies" it.  Mostly it just declares by fiat that any discussion of that simple fact is a "derail" of the discussion, then condescends to us all by declaring that the entire incident can only be properly understood in the context of "cultural imperialism and the colonial history that minorities face." So only Real True Social Justice Warriors can "get it," and any attempt to argue otherwise is "derailing"

I strongly suspect that any attempt to argue this point with the author would lead to further condescension in the form of "You need to brush up on Feminism/Racism/Social Justice 101,  because you clearly Just Don't Get it, and I'm way too busy to hold your hand through all of that just to show why you're wrong, but trust me, you are wrong, wrong wrongity wrong, and if you only had as much education in this area as I do, you wouldn't even be arguing it.But you don't, so you'll just have to accept that you are wrong on my say so"

In fact, looking at the discussion, that's pretty much her exact response to the commenter who brings up that point.

"you've completely missed the point. I'm really not about to spoonfeed you Racism 101 rhetoric at 1am"

"I just recognize that there's a whole lot of other theory you need to ingest first before you can even begin to comprehend the points I've made here, and I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you."


See, you can't argue against this position without the proper credentials. but you know how she knows  you don't have the proper credentials? Because if you did, you wouldn't be arguing against it, you'd just agree with her.

That's some catch, that catch 22
 
mhd
2013-08-27 11:56:39 AM

Strik3r: I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?


IIRC, Cherokee never wore elaborate headdresses. So she's probably doubleplusracist.
 
2013-08-27 12:04:11 PM

Strik3r: Rapmaster2000: gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.  I'm not even criticizing it from a historical/that's so racist/redskins type of angle.  It's simply ridiculous and terrible.  It's like Xanadu crossed with the Pocahantas.

I blame cocaine.

I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?


Who knows.

Am I still allowed to listen to James Brown?

Was Jimi Hendrix co-opting white rock and roll with his music?  Was rock and roll co-opting black music in the first place.

Goddammit, can't we all just chill out and have a good time?

The last time I saw George Clinton he had a white woman singing with him and P-Funk.  The last time I saw the Allman Brothers there were a couple of black people in the band..

Get a grip people.
 
2013-08-27 12:06:14 PM
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2013-08-27 12:06:47 PM
"Did you actually read the article? Because it nullifies this argument."

If you mean the "monolithic part," hardly.  She's picked out one stupid fad she thinks is going to be beneficial to her (the ratchet) and she's running with it.  I would posit it isn't working for her.  What's she going to do, counterbalance it with Booker T. Washington and Fredrick Douglas impersonators giving a rousing speech, then close with by thanking George Washington Carver for peanut butter before wrestling some biatches in a vat of it?  Its a (really grotesque) three minute performance, and she's not THAT stupid.

She knows what seems to sell right now and its this kind of crap.  She's not going to make money trying to ape frigging Duke Ellington.  She won't make any money doing THIS I don't think because it comes off as awkward, desperate, and terrible, but she had a much better chance.

Also people talk about her being celebrated for this and paraded around like she was king of the VMAs.  I would say the enormous majority of the feedback I'm getting from EVERY person in my life is that this was awful.  Maybe for different reasons, but the response is pretty much, "God that was terrible."

And if she insists on keeping white hands out of all black culture I assume she shuns all creative works by black artists that are supported in any way by white fiscal backers, songwriters, producers, or distribution and logistical networks?  And all of the ones who are the FACE of selling this culture to stupid white people as, "What black people are like?"

What drives me CRAZY is PoC who see everything from a CRAAAAAAAZILY White American viewpoint and don't even see it.  "Doctors without borders does a bad thing because they come in all colonial like and play the white savior for fun, spreading the image that Somalians (or whatever) can't take care of themselves."  I bet those Somalis are really pissed off at the presumptive crackers bringing them medicine.  They've got a loooooot more pressing concerns than telling people bringing shiat they need to, "check your privilege."
 
2013-08-27 12:10:41 PM
Oh hey, another poorly-written non-story about some asinine bullshiat from Jezebel.

Quelle Suprise.

It's like they are the Westboro Baptist Church of pop journalism.
 
2013-08-27 12:15:28 PM
The two things I got from that article:

1: Miley was acting black at the VMAs, and that's bad.
2: It's racist to imply that the behaviors Miley engaged in were culturally "black".

Sooooo...the author is calling herself a racist.  Got it.
 
2013-08-27 12:26:15 PM

Super_pope: What drives me CRAZY is PoC who see everything from a CRAAAAAAAZILY White American viewpoint and don't even see it. "Doctors without borders does a bad thing because they come in all colonial like and play the white savior for fun, spreading the image that Somalians (or whatever) can't take care of themselves." I bet those Somalis are really pissed off at the presumptive crackers bringing them medicine. They've got a loooooot more pressing concerns than telling people bringing shiat they need to, "check your privilege."


This part wasn't a great model of my point now that I think about it.  A much better one is to look at the American backlash to ads for the PSP and Resident Evil 4's (I think) setting being some fictional country in Africa.

In the first place, the adds had two different women playing PSPs, the white one had a white psp, and the black woman had a black one.  They were shown basically trying to dominate assume a dominate position in a conflict with each other.  The images were paired with lines reading, "Pick white," or "Pick black" or something to that effect on different billboards.  Seems like a no brainer that this would piss people off right?  Expect the whole thing was done in like... Sweden.  The huge outpouring of outrage totally neglected to acknowledge that basically nobody in the country where this advertisement campaign had been put together had any reason to even suspect someone would be offended, becausssssse SURPRISE SURPRISE SWEDEN IS NOT farkING AMERICA AND DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME HISTORY.

Resident Evil four was a good one too, since the creative team that put it together was overwhelmingly Japanese people who were born and raised in Japan.  Again, probably just something they didn't even think about saying, "Hmmm will this upset African Americans," because they're not American.  But there was a massive uproar by SJ bloggers about how terribly racist it was to have a game where a white person shot mostly black people.  It totally went over their heads of everyone involved that the cultural differences between the white American culture that permeates them so much they're mostly blind to it, and the Japanese culture made the game designers VERY unlikely to even notice what to them was obvious.
 
2013-08-27 12:29:34 PM

mhd: Strik3r: I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?

IIRC, Cherokee never wore elaborate headdresses. So she's probably doubleplusracist.


IIRC, the song was a protest against racism, and the plight of a mixed race girl being shunned by both white and native cultures.

So definitely doubleplus reverse racist bibigotry.
 
2013-08-27 12:33:38 PM
Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.
 
2013-08-27 12:36:08 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Giltric: It's racist for black people to dress any way other than in a loin cloth and bone through their nose.

Why do they have to steal the white mans look of wearing pants and a shirt?

Hey, we can talk about the fashion industry and racism if you want.  Look!  Black people as props!

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i.imgur.com

Man, I just HAD to.
 
2013-08-27 12:39:37 PM
Feminism mentioned twice in the first two sentences. Stopped reading there.
 
2013-08-27 12:43:52 PM

dahmers love zombie: The two things I got from that article:

1: Miley was acting black at the VMAs, and that's bad.
2: It's racist to imply that the behaviors Miley engaged in were culturally "black".

Sooooo...the author is calling herself a racist.  Got it.


Gibberish hoist by own petard my own summary
 
2013-08-27 12:46:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.


We know all about stealing from the black man, and holding him down, so we know for sure when it isn't happening.
 
2013-08-27 12:48:17 PM

Fano: The My Little Pony Killer: Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.

We know all about stealing from the black man, and holding him down, so we know for sure when it isn't happening.


That's good! Now tell me another.
 
2013-08-27 12:49:43 PM
This just in - acting like a whore is part of black culture.
All you caucasian-asian-other  whores stop that shiat right now.
Also, do not have a black friend, lest you be accused of accessorizing.
 
2013-08-27 12:54:09 PM

Teiritzamna: gilgigamesh: How dare you objectify a proud black woman who is apparently stuck in the body of a nerdy white guy I guess.

he's transracial.  a cisraced individual like you could never understand.


That, good sir/madam, is farking brilliant.
 
2013-08-27 12:58:59 PM

JAGChem82: I will say that "PoC" phrase drives me up a friggin wall, however.


Port of Call?
Piece of Cake?
Proof of Concept?

C'mon, throw me a bone here.
 
2013-08-27 01:07:57 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Fano: The My Little Pony Killer: Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.

We know all about stealing from the black man, and holding him down, so we know for sure when it isn't happening.

That's good! Now tell me another.


The proud womyn of Jezebel have taken a moment away from man hating Mandingo fantasies to slut shame a woman who dares to room a zoom zoom and a boom boom.
 
2013-08-27 01:08:35 PM
regarding this thread:
www.zeldauniverse.net
 
2013-08-27 01:10:23 PM
so it's white peoples fault black girls act like whores? Fark you.
 
2013-08-27 01:11:58 PM
A white guy invented basketball, I say it's about time we took it back...for America!
 
2013-08-27 01:12:03 PM

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


Ain't they ever heard of the Black Irish?
 
2013-08-27 01:16:12 PM
Author needs to calm down and learn there's a difference between correlation and causation.
 
2013-08-27 01:17:54 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

Ain't they ever heard of the Black Irish?


My brother lives in Cork, and his wife is black from Bordeaux. They wouldn't mind partying with you.

/actually she's Madagasi
 
2013-08-27 01:25:52 PM
how do you know you have too much time on your hands?

You worry about "cultural appropriation" and think its bad.

Losers.
 
2013-08-27 01:26:10 PM
Comparing tweaking to a Native American headress...

Strikes me as kind of racist
 
2013-08-27 01:26:10 PM

loki see loki do: JAGChem82: I will say that "PoC" phrase drives me up a friggin wall, however.

Port of Call?
Piece of Cake?
Proof of Concept?

C'mon, throw me a bone here.


People of Color?
 
2013-08-27 01:28:52 PM

abhorrent1: Feminism mentioned twice in the first two sentences. Stopped reading there.


Ha, that's nothing. You mentioned feminism once in your first sentence, so I stopped reading there.

I win.
 
2013-08-27 01:36:24 PM

Giltric: People of Color?


That's the one.
 
2013-08-27 01:36:52 PM

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Quoted for truth
 
2013-08-27 01:40:25 PM

gfid: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

everyone is Irish on St. Patty's Day.

I'll buy you a beer next St. Patty's Day if I run into you.

/actually part Irish.
//If we deny black people the right to enjoy St. Patty's then we should deny all those other non-Irish farking white folks the pleasure of it too.
///Hell, the Irish have a lot of reasons to be pissed off at other white people


You said Patty instead of Paddy 3 times. I hate you.
 
2013-08-27 01:42:16 PM

loki see loki do: JAGChem82: I will say that "PoC" phrase drives me up a friggin wall, however.

Port of Call?
Piece of Cake?
Proof of Concept?

C'mon, throw me a bone here.


PoC = People of color

Because I, as a black man, share so much in common with a Japanese female and a Puerto Rican teenager concerning our experiences in America. (eye roll)

I get that all three of us have been the victim of discrimination at some point and time, but everyone's life story isn't the same, and just because we are this non-white mass, we're going to agree on everything with each other.

Besides, I have no problem identifying myself as black or African-American, depending on how formal I need to be. That's how I'm identified as in America and the rest of the world, and I'm not ashamed of my heritage. PoC sounds like some political catchphrase conjured up by well meaning but overdesperate white people trying to be "non-racist".
 
2013-08-27 01:42:40 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: [614x1500 from http://31.media.tumblr.com/bc0e8032cd5270495cc4bc42e9c4f0d6/tumblr_mm1 alokIFN1s71q1zo1_1280.png image 614x1500]


Obvious fake is obvious?
 
2013-08-27 01:47:59 PM

Crewmannumber6: so it's white peoples fault black girls act like whores? Fark you.


No, but it's ignorant white people's faults that they think all black women act like whores.
 
2013-08-27 01:53:00 PM
Her performance would have been more entertaining had she started smearing black face all over herself and then deep throated an oversized chocolate cruller.
 
2013-08-27 01:54:37 PM

JAGChem82: Besides, I have no problem identifying myself as black or African-American, depending on how formal I need to be. That's how I'm identified as in America and the rest of the world, and I'm not ashamed of my heritage. PoC sounds like some political catchphrase conjured up by well meaning but overdesperate white people trying to be "non-racist".


Yeah, it reeks of the euphemism treadmill.
 
2013-08-27 01:56:30 PM
So, only black folks are allowed to have sexy time in their dancing?

Got it.
 
2013-08-27 01:57:43 PM

styckx: I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?


1) Miley is racist and continues the portrayal of black women as the "Jezebel" stereotype.

2) Miley thinks that the "urban" culture is representative of the entirety of black culture.

3) White people be making money off black culture, and that's bad.

I guess only Jay-Z and Kayne are allowed to exploit black culture and women.

And WTF is ratchet?
 
2013-08-27 02:03:22 PM
JAGChem82:

Besides, I have no problem identifying myself as black or African-American, depending on how formal I need to be. That's how I'm identified as in America and the rest of the world, and I'm not ashamed of my heritage. PoC sounds like some political catchphrase conjured up by well meaning but overdesperate white people trying to be "non-racist".

I understand it came from non-white people who didn't like the idea that the collective descriptor of non-white people was "non-white" as they thought it implied they were lacking something and was therefore negative, instead POC implies that they have something and they view it as positive.

IMO it's a very academic distinction that probably turns off a lot of people, but hey - if someone wants to use it to refer to themselves I'm not going to argue.
 
2013-08-27 02:05:38 PM
I am honesty floored that no one has mentioned the Lolita slant. I could be reading way to much into it but teddy bears, "Blurred Lines" the age gap and at the end where she does the coy, bite the foam finger creeped my husband the fark out.
 
2013-08-27 02:05:56 PM
Of course, but how will Miley's twerking affect the price of crude oil  barrel?
 
2013-08-27 02:06:21 PM

Super_pope: What's she going to do, counterbalance it with Booker T. Washington and Fredrick Douglas impersonators giving a rousing speech, then close with by thanking George Washington Carver for peanut butter before wrestling some biatches in a vat of it? Its a (really grotesque) three minute performance, and she's not THAT stupid.


I would watch this. And masturbate.
 
2013-08-27 02:07:21 PM

Fano: The My Little Pony Killer: Fano: The My Little Pony Killer: Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.

We know all about stealing from the black man, and holding him down, so we know for sure when it isn't happening.

That's good! Now tell me another.

The proud womyn of Jezebel have taken a moment away from man hating Mandingo fantasies to slut shame a woman who dares to room a zoom zoom and a boom boom.


That's the part that makes me come in here and wharrgarble :(

/and use emoticons, apparently
 
2013-08-27 02:09:05 PM

Mugato: Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.


You sir, win one internet for making me laugh for the first time today.
 
2013-08-27 02:11:41 PM
The only problem I had with that article is insisting white people can't do "black" things. Excuse me? If white people insisted blacks couldn't do "white" things there would be such a nasty backlash of crying racism, but it is TOTALLY okay to do the opposite and if anyone cries racism nobody cares.

You can be special with special rights or equal with equal rights, but you can't be both. Special rights is just going to keep racism alive you stupid twat waffle.

For what it is worth "Thrift Shop" was BY FAR the most popular rap song of the year. Sorry he was a whitie and you think only black rappers should win. Talk about a racist biatch.
 
2013-08-27 02:12:15 PM

mhd: Strik3r: I thought Cher was a "half-breed" Cheroke? Can you be racist about yourself?

IIRC, Cherokee never wore elaborate headdresses. So she's probably doubleplusracist.


Generally not, but they did adopt some stuff from the plains tribes after they got herded to Oklahoma, and that made it's way back to Tennessee and the Carolinas.

Cher, according to the wiki, is half Armenian (her dad) and half EuroMutt/Cherokee (her mom).
 
2013-08-27 02:12:38 PM

A. Snatchfold: Crewmannumber6: so it's white peoples fault black girls act like whores? Fark you.

No, but it's ignorant white people's faults that they think all black women act like whores.


I didn't say all black women, you made that jump. So what does that say about you?
 
2013-08-27 02:13:28 PM

KierzanDax: styckx: I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?

1) Miley is racist and continues the portrayal of black women as the "Jezebel" stereotype.

2) Miley thinks that the "urban" culture is representative of the entirety of black culture.

3) White people be making money off black culture, and that's bad.

I guess only Jay-Z and Kayne are allowed to exploit black culture and women.

And WTF is ratchet?


From what I understood, the author had no problem with white people like Macklemore, Robin Thicke, Justin Timberlake etc, because they're authentic. But she had a problem with someone from Miley's background trying to get street cred by making a 180 in her theatrical presentation in an attempt to emulate what she thinks is 'black culture'. It's all a manufactured stunt designed to distance herself from her Disney roots, and the poor girl doesn't realize how silly she comes off.
 
2013-08-27 02:16:56 PM

Crewmannumber6: I didn't say all black women, you made that jump. So what does that say about you?


It says when you speak of groups in the general plural (i.e. "white people," "black girls") the general assumption is you are speaking about groups in general.  It does no good to say (perhaps deliberately) provocative statements like white people can't jump, penguins make terrible lawyers, or stars aren't made mainly of hydrogen, and then try to walk that statement back with: Gotcha! i didn't say "all!"

The "all" is implied in English.
 
2013-08-27 02:17:28 PM

Crewmannumber6: A. Snatchfold: Crewmannumber6: so it's white peoples fault black girls act like whores? Fark you.

No, but it's ignorant white people's faults that they think all black women act like whores.

I didn't say all black women, you made that jump. So what does that say about you?


It says to me that my reading comprehension is great, because you didn't use a qualifier when making your statement. :)
 
2013-08-27 02:19:35 PM
I'll save many, many words: black women hate that white women are taking all the available black men.
 
2013-08-27 02:22:56 PM
Am I the only one who thinks all back-up dancers are props? Pick up a new set in each town, don't even bother wicing them from place to place. They're like the sound/light crew, a difficult role to master maybe but hardly worth learning your name. Can we have a small rally that they were people and not just pre-recorded holograms of Miley? A rich person actually created a few jobs for those people. The system works.

If they were completely hidden in androgynous creepy bear costumes, would the lynch-mob have gotten this far or would we just be stuck on the "kid apes sexy, creeps out crowd" aspect?
 
2013-08-27 02:27:34 PM

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


Challenge you for being "Irish" or just being racist and challenge you for daring to be black in public?
 
2013-08-27 02:27:57 PM

Dafatone: Oh_Enough_Already: [614x1500 from http://31.media.tumblr.com/bc0e8032cd5270495cc4bc42e9c4f0d6/tumblr_mm1 alokIFN1s71q1zo1_1280.png image 614x1500]

Obvious fake is obvious?


Obvious parody is close enough to the truth that you almost couldn't tell?
 
2013-08-27 02:28:21 PM
I could buy most of the article's arguments, except for the end, where the author pretty much says it's never ever OK to borrow from other cultures (and her dismissal of the commenter asking a similar question was kind of a turn off).  I get that a history of oppression plays a strong role in determining whether or not borrowing from another culture is acceptable.  But I feel that there's a difference between cultural misappropriation and a genuine admiration or even desire of a particular culture; I'm just having trouble figuring out where the line between the two is.  I mean, the world should be a melting pot, right?  Why shouldn't we be able to share in the best any cultures have to offer?

/neither black nor white
 
2013-08-27 02:28:55 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Fano: The My Little Pony Killer: Fano: The My Little Pony Killer: Hehe, look at all the white guys in here insisting that there's nothing to see, move along now.

We know all about stealing from the black man, and holding him down, so we know for sure when it isn't happening.

That's good! Now tell me another.

The proud womyn of Jezebel have taken a moment away from man hating Mandingo fantasies to slut shame a woman who dares to room a zoom zoom and a boom boom.

That's the part that makes me come in here and wharrgarble :(

/and use emoticons, apparently


Well, you requested serious wharrgarbl. ;)
 
2013-08-27 02:30:29 PM

A. Snatchfold: KierzanDax: styckx: I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?

1) Miley is racist and continues the portrayal of black women as the "Jezebel" stereotype.

2) Miley thinks that the "urban" culture is representative of the entirety of black culture.

3) White people be making money off black culture, and that's bad.

I guess only Jay-Z and Kayne are allowed to exploit black culture and women.

And WTF is ratchet?

From what I understood, the author had no problem with white people like Macklemore, Robin Thicke, Justin Timberlake etc, because they're authentic. But she had a problem with someone from Miley's background trying to get street cred by making a 180 in her theatrical presentation in an attempt to emulate what she thinks is 'black culture'. It's all a manufactured stunt designed to distance herself from her Disney roots, and the poor girl doesn't realize how silly she comes off.


What? her roots go way back. she was a chicken thief as a kid.
 
2013-08-27 02:38:22 PM
Wait, is she saying black people shouldn't be background dancers/singers, because that makes them "props"?
 
2013-08-27 02:55:22 PM
Vapid coont seeks to remain relevant. Film at 11:00.
 
2013-08-27 02:55:26 PM

DeepDownHounds: Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman


There's a lot of grasping at straws.  I mean, black men take it personally when someone pulls their purse closer or locks their car door when a person sees them.  Problem is, a lot of us white people do that no matter what race or sex the other person is, because this is a dangerous world & you should trust no-one.

No offense, but you ain't all that.  So don't take it personally.  I was stunned when Obama said that thing about people locking their car doors before he became famous.  He lived in a dangerous city & he DIDNT' lock his doors when his babies were in the car with him?????
 
2013-08-27 02:57:35 PM

Mugato: Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.


I remember when Taylor Swift was Fark's sweetheart.
 
2013-08-27 02:58:23 PM
I just thought it was bad dancing. Did I miss something or does Gawker Media still suck and Fark should go f*ck itself for continuing to link to them?
 
2013-08-27 03:20:44 PM

stainedglassdoll: I could buy most of the article's arguments, except for the end, where the author pretty much says it's never ever OK to borrow from other cultures (and her dismissal of the commenter asking a similar question was kind of a turn off).  I get that a history of oppression plays a strong role in determining whether or not borrowing from another culture is acceptable.  But I feel that there's a difference between cultural misappropriation and a genuine admiration or even desire of a particular culture; I'm just having trouble figuring out where the line between the two is.  I mean, the world should be a melting pot, right?  Why shouldn't we be able to share in the best any cultures have to offer?

/neither black nor white


This portion is a ridiculous diatribe:
"It's not that we can't share. It's that until such time as black people are not ridiculed and debased for the styles and music and lifestyle that they create, live and breathe, hands off. Until such time as black fashion, art and music can become mainstream without having to be passed through a white filter, hands off.

Until such time as being black is no longer seen as something less than, hands off. That's it. "


The author is getting so caught up in defining "blackness" that she doesn't think through the consequences of walling off "black culture" into its own little ghetto. By doing so, it guarantees that anything "black" will be considered "other and alien. " Instead by sharing in the cultures, I would think we would see the things we all enjoy, such as callipygian women.

Earlier in the article a quote was drawn about Lil Kim: "Lil Kim had to be 'recognized' by a white, blonde rapper; " that is a VERY bad example to draw. Why?

i2.cdnds.net

Lil Kim has apparently decided to get surgery to appropriate asian idenity. That's not stealing a dance move, that's Face/Off level thievery.
 
2013-08-27 03:22:02 PM
This writer will next write a 10,000 word diatribe on how Tyler the Creator taking on the skateboarder persona is a classic house Negro move and how it demeans his anceators who did not have wheel-enables boards in which to skate. And something about Reginald Denny.
 
2013-08-27 03:23:51 PM
Oh MY GOD BECKY!
 
2013-08-27 03:24:06 PM
It's good to be a part of something, ninjacate.

And you are part of the problem.
 
2013-08-27 03:29:57 PM

Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.

Like ganguro style?
3.bp.blogspot.com
cms.hairmania.gr
www.levelupvideogames.net

Someone needs to tell the Japanese that stealing from the mexicans is where it's at, now.
 
2013-08-27 03:31:43 PM
"it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued"

if I'm enjoying a black woman's body I'm not exactly devaluing it.
 
2013-08-27 03:47:00 PM

The Muthaship: A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.


There will be - lots and lots of words.  I'd guess several hundred liberal arts majors saw that article and seriously contemplated it as a topic for their master's thesis or dissertation
 
2013-08-27 03:56:13 PM

syberpud: The Muthaship: A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.

There will be - lots and lots of words.  I'd guess several hundred liberal arts majors saw that article and seriously contemplated it as a topic for their master's thesis or dissertation


Wouldn't that depend on which particular brand of liberal arts it is? A poli-sci or sociology major sure, a music major though? Not so much.
 
2013-08-27 03:58:11 PM
Jezebel is one of those websites that spends a lot of time on meaningless bullshiat and tries to make bold headline click-bait. Have a strong opinion that disagrees? They'll never approve your comment. Not sure what they're afraid of over there.
 
2013-08-27 04:15:50 PM
RZT's Leftoverism Stew

This recipe provides delightful new life for leftovers from
the infrastructure of legimate social justice movements created
by great chefs that went before you.
1) Start with leftover organizations and fervor from a legitimate
social movement.  The recipe works best with sexism and racism,
but can be adapted for any formerly great movement that almost all
thinking people agreed with at the time.
2) Start reheating leftovers in a large university town.
3) While simmmering, use liberal amounts of guilt to get univesity
administrators to create "Department of ____ Studies" (works best
with older, white-male admins).
4) Create tenured faculty positions for prominent people that were
tangentially involved in orginal movement.
5) Add published papers containing almost no content but impressive
titles.
6) Season to taste with pseudo-scientific jargon, borrowing heavily
from social sciences terminology.  (These do not need to be fresh
ideas, but they should be very broad and vague statements.)
7) Periodically toss in new terms for old concepts, being careful to
condemn the old terms so that the recipe seems innovative and modern.

Enjoy a lifetime of high-paying and respected professorships!
 
2013-08-27 04:40:27 PM
My favorite part is in the comments section a poster quotes Picasso, and the author retorts that they don't care what a white guy says.
 
2013-08-27 04:43:54 PM

gilgigamesh: like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


Modern liberalism defined
 
2013-08-27 05:08:08 PM

Fano: stainedglassdoll: I could buy most of the article's arguments, except for the end, where the author pretty much says it's never ever OK to borrow from other cultures (and her dismissal of the commenter asking a similar question was kind of a turn off).  I get that a history of oppression plays a strong role in determining whether or not borrowing from another culture is acceptable.  But I feel that there's a difference between cultural misappropriation and a genuine admiration or even desire of a particular culture; I'm just having trouble figuring out where the line between the two is.  I mean, the world should be a melting pot, right?  Why shouldn't we be able to share in the best any cultures have to offer?

/neither black nor white

This portion is a ridiculous diatribe:
"It's not that we can't share. It's that until such time as black people are not ridiculed and debased for the styles and music and lifestyle that they create, live and breathe, hands off. Until such time as black fashion, art and music can become mainstream without having to be passed through a white filter, hands off.

Until such time as being black is no longer seen as something less than, hands off. That's it. "


The author is getting so caught up in defining "blackness" that she doesn't think through the consequences of walling off "black culture" into its own little ghetto. By doing so, it guarantees that anything "black" will be considered "other and alien. " Instead by sharing in the cultures, I would think we would see the things we all enjoy, such as callipygian women.

Earlier in the article a quote was drawn about Lil Kim: "Lil Kim had to be 'recognized' by a white, blonde rapper; " that is a VERY bad example to draw. Why?

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Lil Kim has apparently decided to get surgery to appropriate asian idenity. That's not stealing a dance move, that's Face/Off level thievery.


Exactly.  If everyone takes their toys and goes off into their self-segregating corners, we're not all going to magically someday end up on equal social footing.

Lil's Kim's face is a travesty on many levels, but blacks appropriating Asian culture isn't new either. Remember all those 80's kung fu movies?
 
2013-08-27 05:09:06 PM

Fano: Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
[262x400 from http://smartbiatchestrashybooks.com/images/uploads/BillyRayCyrusMullet . jpg image 262x400]

It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.
Like ganguro style?
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Someone needs to tell the Japanese that stealing from the mexicans is where it's at, now.


It will always look weird to me (generally) when a person's lips are lighter than the rest of their face.  *shudder*
 
2013-08-27 05:59:09 PM
Vice did it first and did it better.
 
2013-08-27 06:29:16 PM
It must genuinely suck to walk through life with a chip on your shoulder like that. Waiting for every and any opportunity and excuse to be offended, outraged, and unhappy.


I feel sorry for these people. Most of the Jezebel posters sound like lonely, sad, terminally angry people.
 
2013-08-27 06:34:00 PM

ZeroCorpse: It must genuinely suck to walk through life with a chip on your shoulder like that. Waiting for every and any opportunity and excuse to be offended, outraged, and unhappy.


I feel sorry for these people. Most of the Jezebel posters sound like lonely, sad, terminally angry people.


Salman Rushdie feels your pain

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/salman-ru sh die-were-all-too-offended-now-8755930.html
 
2013-08-27 06:50:42 PM

red5ish: Mugato: Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.

I remember when Taylor Swift was Fark's sweetheart.


Damn, grandpa.
 
2013-08-27 07:28:28 PM
Meh. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Plus, even though she's rich, she still can play the culture card.
Remember, good nutrition has given her some length of bone, but she's not more than one generation  from poor white trash, is she?
 
2013-08-27 07:37:46 PM

wellreadneck: Meh. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Plus, even though she's rich, she still can play the culture card.
Remember, good nutrition has given her some length of bone, but she's not more than one generation  from poor white trash, is she?


Right you are, Dr. Kimmel: (forgive my copypasta)

Jimmy Kimmel:"You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Miley Cyrus? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure Kentucky. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the Disney Corporation."

JK: "You were ten years old. You went to live with cousins at a chicken ranch in Montana. And...?"


Miley:[tears begin forming in her eyes] And one morning, I just ran away.
Jimmy Kimmel:No "just", Miley. What set you off? You started at what time?
Miley Cyrus: Early, still dark.
Jimmy Kimmel: Then something woke you, didn't it? Was it a dream? What was it?
Miley Cyrus: I heard a strange noise.
Jimmy Kimmel: What was it?
Miley Cyrus: It was... screaming. Some kind of screaming, like a child's voice. Like maybe Webigail.
Jimmy Kimmel: What did you do?
Miley Cyrus: I went downstairs, outside. I crept up into the hen house. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to.
Jimmy Kimmel: And what did you see, Miley? What did you see?
Miley Cyrus: Chickens. The chickens were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: They were slaughtering the young pullets?
Miley Cyrus: And they were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: And you ran away?
Miley Cyrus: No. First I tried to free them. I... I opened the latch to their crates, but they wouldn't run. They just stood there, confused. They wouldn't run.
Jimmy Kimmel: But you could and you did, didn't you?
Miley Cyrus: Yes. I took one chicken, and I ran away as fast as I could.
Jimmy Kimmel: Where were you going, Miley?
Miley Cyrus: I don't know. I didn't have any food, any water and it was very cold, very cold. I thought, I thought if I could save just one, but... he was so heavy. So heavy. I didn't get more than a few miles when the my agent's limo picked me up. The rancher was so angry he sent me to live at Celebration Station. I never saw the ranch again.
Jimmy Kimmel: What became of your chicken, Miley?
Miley Cyrus: They killed him.
 
2013-08-27 07:58:38 PM
Oh racism, is there nothing you can't co-opt into your crazed collective of cerebrally challenged clones? From Jar Jar Binks to Miley Montana's moonshine-fueled bridge burning, your mesmerizing ability to infuse yourself into the most banal of spectacles stands as an immovable monument to your endless defiance of rational thought, reason, and logic.

Let fly your standard of idiocy and irrationality! Sound the trump and loose the bow strings! There be racist wolves in twerking Disney princess' and CGI rabbit's clothing that needs be defeated in the name of liberty, justice, and freedom for all mankind...
 
2013-08-27 09:44:56 PM

Fano: wellreadneck: Meh. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Plus, even though she's rich, she still can play the culture card.
Remember, good nutrition has given her some length of bone, but she's not more than one generation  from poor white trash, is she?

Right you are, Dr. Kimmel: (forgive my copypasta)

Jimmy Kimmel:"You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Miley Cyrus? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure Kentucky. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the Disney Corporation."

JK: "You were ten years old. You went to live with cousins at a chicken ranch in Montana. And...?"


Miley:[tears begin forming in her eyes] And one morning, I just ran away.
Jimmy Kimmel:No "just", Miley. What set you off? You started at what time?
Miley Cyrus: Early, still dark.
Jimmy Kimmel: Then something woke you, didn't it? Was it a dream? What was it?
Miley Cyrus: I heard a strange noise.
Jimmy Kimmel: What was it?
Miley Cyrus: It was... screaming. Some kind of screaming, like a child's voice. Like maybe Webigail.
Jimmy Kimmel: What did you do?
Miley Cyrus: I went downstairs, outside. I crept up into the hen house. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to.
Jimmy Kimmel: And what did you see, Miley? What did you see?
Miley Cyrus: Chickens. The chickens were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: They were slaughtering the young pullets?
Miley Cyrus: And they were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: And you ran away?
Miley Cyrus: No. First I tried to free them. I... I opened the latch to their crates, but they wouldn't run. Th ...


you're forgiven for the copy-pasta.  you should be shot at dawn for your attribution.
 
2013-08-27 11:07:54 PM

EdgeRunner: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

Racists don't belong at St. Patty's parades. St. Patrick always chased off the snakes.


F*ck!! I can't keep quiet any longer.

It's ST. PADDY'S DAY.

Not "St. Patty's."

Thank you.
 
2013-08-27 11:21:44 PM

stonelotus: Fano: wellreadneck: Meh. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Plus, even though she's rich, she still can play the culture card.
Remember, good nutrition has given her some length of bone, but she's not more than one generation  from poor white trash, is she?

Right you are, Dr. Kimmel: (forgive my copypasta)

Jimmy Kimmel:"You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition's given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Miley Cyrus? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed: pure Kentucky. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the Disney Corporation."

JK: "You were ten years old. You went to live with cousins at a chicken ranch in Montana. And...?"


Miley:[tears begin forming in her eyes] And one morning, I just ran away.
Jimmy Kimmel:No "just", Miley. What set you off? You started at what time?
Miley Cyrus: Early, still dark.
Jimmy Kimmel: Then something woke you, didn't it? Was it a dream? What was it?
Miley Cyrus: I heard a strange noise.
Jimmy Kimmel: What was it?
Miley Cyrus: It was... screaming. Some kind of screaming, like a child's voice. Like maybe Webigail.
Jimmy Kimmel: What did you do?
Miley Cyrus: I went downstairs, outside. I crept up into the hen house. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to.
Jimmy Kimmel: And what did you see, Miley? What did you see?
Miley Cyrus: Chickens. The chickens were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: They were slaughtering the young pullets?
Miley Cyrus: And they were screaming.
Jimmy Kimmel: And you ran away?
Miley Cyrus: No. First I tried to free them. I... I opened the latch to their crates, but they wouldn't r ...


What do you mean? I wrote it.http://www.fark.com/comments/5163519/Miley-Cyrus-once-stole-a-bunc h-of -cocks#new
 
2013-08-27 11:27:39 PM
self-attribution for a derivative is even worse.
 
2013-08-28 01:02:10 AM
I didn't know that they forced Miley's backup dancers to take those jobs. That's just terrible.
 
2013-08-28 02:11:29 AM

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: I didn't know that they forced Miley's backup dancers to take those jobs. That's just terrible.


I'm sure the writer would find some explanation that they are either race traitors or forced into the Man's New Minstrelsy.

As opposed to this paean to non-caucasian standards of beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JphDdGV2TU This knight demolishes the the dominant paradigm of heroin chic foisted upon us by white hegemony.
 
2013-08-28 03:19:09 AM

MadAzza: EdgeRunner: gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy

Racists don't belong at St. Patty's parades. St. Patrick always chased off the snakes.

F*ck!! I can't keep quiet any longer.

It's ST. PADDY'S DAY.

Not "St. Patty's."

Thank you.


It's... It's not a holiday about beer and burgers? MY LIFE HAS BEEN A LIE.

/on that one day, anyway. At least I'm still in the clear celebrating National Shaving Day on Dec. 25th with old St. Nick.
 
2013-08-28 03:32:40 AM
Gah, the insufferable pseudo-intellectuallism throughout that page is barf-inducing!  The author's response to one of the comments amounted to "Do you even lift?!"
 
2013-08-28 03:52:47 AM

The Muthaship: Only Jezebel can make you want to take Miley's side in this sh*t show.


Couldn't have said it better, and won't try.
 
2013-08-28 03:59:15 AM
People watch the MTV video awards?
 
2013-08-28 08:33:52 AM

ScouserDuck: My favorite part is in the comments section a poster quotes Picasso, and the author retorts that they don't care what a white guy says.


pablo picasso was never called an asshole
 
2013-08-28 10:40:29 AM
"What Miley did last night was easily one of the most racist displays I've ever seen. From her insistence on twerking, to her use of all black women as  literal props(they were teddy bears) to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming, it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued and put on display for entertainment purposes"

Black rappers do that same type thing and it's fine.  A white girl does it and suddenly it's "racist."  How is it not racist to cry "racism" when a white person does something that blacks regularly do?
 
2013-08-28 04:08:12 PM
I'm pretty positive she wasn't the one that choreographed that abortion of a dance number. If the choreographer was Black, does that make this whole argument moot?
 
2013-08-28 06:01:30 PM
Wow, this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

From her insistence on twerking,
This is how black skanks dance!  White skanks aren't allowed to dance like this!

to her use of all black women as literal props (they were teddy bears)
How many black women?  ALL THE BLACK WOMEN.  Must have been crowded inside those teddy bear costumes.

to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming
Ok, now you're telling me white people aren't allowed to enjoy some good old fashioned girl on girl ass smacking and rimming?  This is an outrage.
 
2013-08-28 07:34:22 PM

Fano: Rapmaster2000: I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
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It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.
Like ganguro style?
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Someone needs to tell the Japanese that stealing from the mexicans is where it's at, now.


wait now.... I like that Gunguru Style thingy..
www.startrek.com encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
Ya, that's David Soul there.

//hot like Vaal
 
2013-08-28 09:39:24 PM
I know a black man who is taking care of his two kids while attending grad school. I'm going to confront him next time I see him about stealing from white culture.
 
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