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(Jezebel)   Finally, Jezebel weighs in on Miley's blatant racism   (groupthink.jezebel.com) divider line 189
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2013-08-27 09:04:25 AM
I actually enjoyed seeing all the back up dancers with very nice cabooses.
 
2013-08-27 09:05:39 AM
Thank goodness there's someone on the internet who isn't afraid to discriminate against people based on race. I mean, if Miley was black, there's no story here, right?
 
2013-08-27 09:07:55 AM
Wow, all Miley all the time. I suddenly miss when fark was obsessed with Ben Affleck as Batman.
 
2013-08-27 09:10:25 AM
I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?
 
2013-08-27 09:13:12 AM
I've come to realize that foam fingers are, in fact, quite erotic.
 
2013-08-27 09:15:50 AM
Well, I'm glad we finally got around to talking about how racist it was.  That means the whole mess is a few minutes away from being forgotten.
 
2013-08-27 09:22:10 AM
Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.
 
2013-08-27 09:23:54 AM
Oh: and Miley Cyrus can't sing. She was totally upstaged talent wise by Robin Thicke.
 
2013-08-27 09:24:52 AM
WTF is that woman talking about?

I didn't see Miley's performance but quite frankly I think some black people will see racism in anything anyone does.

If a white firefighter saved this whole woman's family from a burning house she would probably scream racism.
 
2013-08-27 09:25:47 AM

styckx: I'm not reading any of that.. Cliff notes?


Essentially the articles main point is that by "twirking" Miley essentially stole black female sexuality or something.

The problem is that they completely sidestepped the other glaring teddy bear in the room, and that is the commodification of black female sexuality in Miley's performance. But it's not a thing that white women deal with, so it didn't warrant inclusion or discussion by the white-led mainstream feminist media.

The author also has a problem with the use of backup dancers as she goes onto state:
From her insistence on twerking, to her use of all black women asliteral props(they were teddy bears) to her smacking of her dancer's ass and the simulation of rimming, it is very clear to me, that Miley thinks that black women's bodies are to be enjoyed, devalued and put on display for entertainment purposes.

Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian. The page wraps up with complaints that Miley's dancing is tied to Trayvon Martin's death because the VMAs are imperialist.
 
2013-08-27 09:26:41 AM

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.



I am certain that her primary goal was to objectify herself to the maximum and that she most likely surpassed her goal.........  I doubt she gave much consideration to the backup.
 
2013-08-27 09:26:58 AM
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2013-08-27 09:32:50 AM
I don't think you can call it racist when dumb white kids like her approximate their idea of a certain subset of a culture in which most of the members are black because she thinks it makes her look more authentic.

It's not any more racist than if Chinese kids start wearing terrible mullets and warbling like a dead cat because they think it makes them sound more American.
smartbitchestrashybooks.com

It's just lame, it's not racist.   She's a dumb kid trying to be dangerous, not realizing that there is little danger in being a caricature.
 
2013-08-27 09:33:23 AM

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.
 
2013-08-27 09:35:00 AM
i40.tinypic.com

I think I speak for everyone with this.
 
2013-08-27 09:37:48 AM

tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.


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2013-08-27 09:38:26 AM
Maybe I'm getting old, but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice.  It was a stupid performance by a stupid kid who embarrassed herself in front of millions.  There's no need to manufacture personal outrage like Miley goddamn Cyrus victimized you.
 
2013-08-27 09:39:26 AM
FFS.

that is all.
 
2013-08-27 09:40:34 AM

MFAWG: gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.

White kids have been co-opting black culture for 100 years or more, so there's that.


There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.
 
2013-08-27 09:42:19 AM

gfid: tinderfitles: Then the author goes on to say some such about cultural imperialism and saying that you can't dance black if you arn't black because its like wearing a headdress of feathers if you arn't indian.

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Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.  I'm not even criticizing it from a historical/that's so racist/redskins type of angle.  It's simply ridiculous and terrible.  It's like Xanadu crossed with the Pocahantas.

I blame cocaine.
 
2013-08-27 09:43:54 AM
That's it, I'm celebrating white culture with a bigass luau which will include barbeque, curries, and a dim sum bar.

White culture: we will subjugate your people all in the name of decent take away food.
 
2013-08-27 09:46:27 AM
If Chris Brown had stormed the stage and punched her, the performance would have been racist. Otherwise, it was just tardish.
 
2013-08-27 09:46:45 AM
Dafuq?

www.lolbrary.com

Dafuq
 
2013-08-27 09:48:13 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill


Congratulations. You just made the author's point better than she did, and saved 1,000 words in the process.
 
2013-08-27 09:49:05 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.


I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.
 
2013-08-27 09:50:28 AM
The piece does bring up a lot of good points, but I'm leaning more toward Miley just being utterly clueless about the larger world.

That said, she didn't put this together by herself, there is a massive production team behind it. They should probably know better, but simulated interracial anal rimming really hits all the right demos. The kids just love it.

Also, I'm sure those dancers liked the pay for a really easy job. Sociology is for the well-to-do.
 
2013-08-27 09:51:30 AM

gilgigamesh: Oh: and Miley Cyrus can't sing. She was totally upstaged talent wise by Robin Thicke.


She can't really dance, either. If she had actually co-opted black culture, it would've been an improvement.

The upside of all this for me is that I hadn't realized until this whole kerfuffle that Robin Thicke's song was so gross and rapey.

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2013-08-27 09:52:29 AM
Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman
 
2013-08-27 09:53:59 AM

DeepDownHounds: Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman


*clicks profile*

dafuq?
 
2013-08-27 09:54:29 AM

HotWingConspiracy: anal rimming


We can at least thank Miley that she has forced the 24 hour news cycle to talk endlessly about rimjobs.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:25 AM

Teiritzamna: (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determine what i get to act like)


Bill Cosby.  You must have missed the meeting.  But come on, give it to the Cos.  He earned it.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:46 AM

Rapmaster2000: DeepDownHounds: Man, talk about GRASPING AT STRAWS. That's some paranoid shiat. Was this woman on acid when she saw the VMA's? Because she is reading things into it that simply weren't there.

/Proud BLACK Woman

*clicks profile*

dafuq?


How dare you objectify a proud black woman who is apparently stuck in the body of a nerdy white guy I guess.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:52 AM
So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?
 
2013-08-27 09:58:44 AM

Shadowknight: Bill Cosby. You must have missed the meeting. But come on, give it to the Cos. He earned it.


So THAT'S why i love sweaters and puddin'!
 
2013-08-27 09:59:20 AM

gilgigamesh: How dare you objectify a proud black woman who is apparently stuck in the body of a nerdy white guy I guess.


he's transracial.  a cisraced individual like you could never understand.
 
2013-08-27 09:59:38 AM

MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?


I think it makes him drunk.
 
2013-08-27 10:00:07 AM
Only Jezebel can make you want to take Miley's side in this sh*t show.
 
2013-08-27 10:00:47 AM

tinderfitles: The page wraps up with complaints that Miley's dancing is tied to Trayvon Martin's death because the VMAs are imperialist.


Holy crap. I didn't read it all, then went back after you mentioned this just to verify... It really does.
 
2013-08-27 10:00:53 AM
 
2013-08-27 10:00:55 AM
 
2013-08-27 10:01:22 AM

MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?


FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy
 
2013-08-27 10:01:38 AM
Man that woman has problems, ninjacate I mean.
 
2013-08-27 10:02:10 AM

James!: Maybe I'm getting old, but every goddamn thing doesn't have to be forced through the play-do fun factory of social justice.  It was a stupid performance by a stupid kid who embarrassed herself in front of millions.  There's no need to manufacture personal outrage like Miley goddamn Cyrus victimized you.


Forget it, James, it's the Internet.

Everyone must talk about everything all the time.

//also, you're getting old.
 
2013-08-27 10:02:20 AM

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Well said...I think we too often confuse race and "culture". "Culture" is a behavioral choice. To assign certain "cultural" choices to every member of a particular race is itself racist.
 
2013-08-27 10:03:34 AM
A doctoral dissertation could (and will) be written on the racial, class, and gender dynamics of Cyrus's shtick.

There are no words.
 
2013-08-27 10:04:15 AM

gilgigamesh: MilesTeg: So if a black guy gets drunk on St. Patrick's Day does that make him a racist?

FWIW I have had more than one angry white guy challenge me for being at a St Patricks Day parade.

/black guy


you should have challenged them for not being Irish.
/nobody at St. Patty's Day is actually Irish
 
2013-08-27 10:06:38 AM

gilgigamesh: Ok, I'm certainly aware of the "minstrel show" dynamic and the caricature of white performers aping (npi) black culture. They are real issues, to an extent, but come on. I don't think you can call her intentions "racist", or that she intended to objectify her back up dancers, at least any more than she objectified herself.

Also, that article read like a sociology 101 textbook that exploded.


The only bit I truly 100% agree with is with Miley smacking the ass of her black back-up dancer. It's extremely disrespectful to the dancer and I can easily see how people can call that racist.

Miley's only true intentions are "attention whoring for ad money", her publicists are over the moon right now with all the attention she's getting. They only way to stop this type of behavior is to vote with our attention and wallets. Ignore her and don't buy any of her products.
 
mhd
2013-08-27 10:07:38 AM

Rapmaster2000: Cher's 'Half-Breed' is one of those "did that really happen" moments.


I just remember the video, and given Cher in her prime barely dressed, I'm quite glad that it happened. Don't really remember the song itself.
 
2013-08-27 10:08:40 AM
I really can't wrap my head around these allegations that Miley is racist, or robbing black culture for her own gain; for years now, the pointy end of the pop-music market has been dominated by black artists, rappers, or music that has roots in black culture/dance/etc, particularly the segment of the market that's aimed above the kids that have been Miley's traditional audience. Is it really such a shock that she'd be influenced by (or trying to muscle in on) this scene if she wants to continue her career? At some point you have to accept that if you're going to turn your culture into a commodity then it is going to become diluted and, well, go mainstream. Miley isn't edgy, she's just following the curve, and a little overblown controversy has kept her in the spotlight while she does it.

For what it's worth I think she's got a great voice, but her country-chops really don't fit with the direction she's taken.
 
2013-08-27 10:10:45 AM

Teiritzamna: God Is My Co-Pirate: There's something gross about pretty, rich, white girls playing dress up as black women because they think it's "edgy" - see also Katy Perry's ridiculous mouth grill.

I think the problem here is the constant American conflation of race and class.  I have seen white people sporting grills, twerking, and whetever else, not because they were appropriating black culture, but because they grew up and lived in the same neighborhoods.  Its not that it is outrageous that a white girl is actin' black, a concept that is rather racist in and of itself (as a black person, am i supposed to act a certain way?  why?  who gets to determien what i get to act like). It should, however, be outrageous to see rich (often multigenerational rich) folks wear the emblems of the poor as if it was a humorous or titilating costume:

"I am dressing so ghetto!  Its hilarious!"

The conflation is doubly annoying because 1) it makes it really difficult to address actual class issues in america without the discussion becoming a race focused shiatshow and 2) it is far more racist to assume that poor = black than for a white girl to shake her (non-existent) ass.


Exactly.  There's something Marie Antoinette-ish about the whole thing. Is it racist?  Well, not in the sense of deliberate harm, no, but it sure comes out of a landscape of racial inequality.

The rich white girl gets the money and the attention, and tomorrow she can take off her costume and move on to the next trendy thing.

Personally I just wish she'd put her tongue away.  You're so rebellious, we get it.
 
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