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(Examiner)   George Zimmerman wants $200K to $300K reimbursement from Florida since he was found not guilty. According to Florida law, he could very well get it   (examiner.com) divider line 894
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2013-08-27 12:21:35 AM
Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles.

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground."

Step 3.) Profit.
 
2013-08-27 12:27:56 AM

teto85: Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, who is on top of you beating your head into the concrete

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense

Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed


.5/3 isn't that bad, I guess....
 
2013-08-27 01:10:07 AM
The state could have saved a lot of money if they didn't charge him. Maybe spent it on prosecutions where they had evidence of a crime.
 
2013-08-27 01:50:22 AM

Mrbogey: The state could have saved a lot of money if they didn't charge him. Maybe spent it on prosecutions where they had evidence of a crime.


There needed to be a trial.  The prosecutor overreached however.  If they'd aimed for criminal negligence or something that would have been a value judgment for the jurors without any facts directly conflicting with it, I think there could have been a conviction.
 
2013-08-27 05:11:18 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey: The state could have saved a lot of money if they didn't charge him. Maybe spent it on prosecutions where they had evidence of a crime.

There needed to be a trial.  The prosecutor overreached however.  If they'd aimed for criminal negligence or something that would have been a value judgment for the jurors without any facts directly conflicting with it, I think there could have been a conviction.


They tried to dumb down the charges at the end to no avail. If the guy can't be proven one crime, asking for a mercy fark on a lower crime makes your case even weaker.
 
2013-08-27 06:28:44 AM

Fark It: teto85: Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, who is on top of you beating your head into the concrete -

The
guy was following an unarmed person, for no reason, with a gun.

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed - That really doesn't happen.
 
2013-08-27 06:40:35 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey: The state could have saved a lot of money if they didn't charge him. Maybe spent it on prosecutions where they had evidence of a crime.

There needed to be a trial.  The prosecutor overreached however.  If they'd aimed for criminal negligence or something that would have been a value judgment for the jurors without any facts directly conflicting with it, I think there could have been a conviction.


Classic overcharging. The old saying goes, "Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered." Oh, well, them's the breaks when you let publicity and political hay override your legal judgment. Scoreboard. Pay up.
 
2013-08-27 06:52:08 AM
Yes, but it's only payable in Disney Dining Plan vouchers
 
2013-08-27 06:59:18 AM
Finally, justice in this case.
 
2013-08-27 07:18:11 AM
Everyone who is found to be innocent should get all lawyer fees back
 
2013-08-27 07:19:14 AM
Florida should reward its racists and lunatics.  They're an important part of its cultural identity, after all.
 
2013-08-27 07:20:42 AM
Didn't Hannity and other racists pay for his lawyers?
 
2013-08-27 07:21:47 AM
At the very least, he should be compensated for his court cost and the inconvenience. The state prosecutor went after him after publicly stating they didn't have a case. It's ridiculous that they could pull this type of crud on someone when they know they couldn't win.
 
2013-08-27 07:23:06 AM

Abacus9: Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?


Sure does. Especially when it was you who started the whole thing by following him around the neighborhood (by car and on foot), while you were armed, and after referring to him as an "asshole" simply because of the color of his skin.
 
2013-08-27 07:23:32 AM
* sigh *

You want him guilty? Repeal the Fifth through Eighth Amendments.

And enjoy the whirlwind.
 
2013-08-27 07:24:19 AM
Headline fails without Florida tag
 
2013-08-27 07:24:30 AM
Good! The man never committed a crime. He should be reimbursed for his troubles and his good name being smeared through the news.
 
2013-08-27 07:24:51 AM

Fark It: Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed


No, it's "profit".  He got a LOT of money from conservative and white supremacist groups to aid his initial legal defense.  Several years' salary by his current income scale.
 
2013-08-27 07:25:45 AM

Abacus9: Fark It: teto85: Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, who is on top of you beating your head into the concrete - The
guy was following an unarmed person, for no reason, with a gun.


None of which has any relevance.

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

If said unarmed person is trying to kill you and doing a good job of it, then of course it is. Why wouldn't it be? Also, he never claimed Stand Your Ground.

Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed - That really doesn't happen.

Citation needed.
 
2013-08-27 07:26:14 AM

Fark It: teto85: Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, who is on top of you beating your head into the concrete

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense

Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed

.5/3 isn't that bad, I guess....


Nope.
It was correct the first time
 
2013-08-27 07:27:15 AM
As he should. He was acquitted. If you're acquitted you shouldn't have to pay legal fees.
 
2013-08-27 07:27:21 AM

TheBigJerk: Fark It: Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed

No, it's "profit".  He got a LOT of money from conservative and white supremacist groups to aid his initial legal defense.  Several years' salary by his current income scale.


If it makes the prosecutor think twice before pulling this stunt again on someone when they admit they probably can't win the case, it's worth it.
 
2013-08-27 07:27:22 AM

TheBigJerk: Fark It: Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed

No, it's "profit".  He got a LOT of money from conservative and white supremacist groups to aid his initial legal defense.  Several years' salary by his current income scale.


He may have gotten a lot of money, but US defense attorneys are infamous for how much they can cost. Did he get enough to cover that?
 
2013-08-27 07:28:20 AM

Abacus9: Fark It: teto85: Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles, who is on top of you beating your head into the concrete - The
guy was following an unarmed person, for no reason, with a gun.

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed - That really doesn't happen.


Why don't you go ask that Tacoma WW2 Vet about unarmed assailants
 
2013-08-27 07:28:47 AM

fredklein: Abacus9: Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Sure does. Especially when it was you who started the whole thing by following him around the neighborhood (by car and on foot), while you were armed, and after referring to him as an "asshole" simply because of the color of his skin.


Will you morons learn that's what neighbor hood watched do. Follow suspicious people around. He did pick some poor defenseless black kid and decide to pick on him. And YES...shooting a person who is on top of you banging your head on the ground that saw, and tried to go for, said gun...is self defense.
 
2013-08-27 07:28:50 AM
Sounds low.
 
2013-08-27 07:29:05 AM
Florida, what happened man? You used to be cool man, what happened??
 
2013-08-27 07:29:09 AM
Saving for later..I'm sure this will reach full potatoe by the time I get to work
 
2013-08-27 07:29:37 AM
Florida should sue Jessie Jackson and Sharpton for making a big deal out of this.
 
2013-08-27 07:30:02 AM

Millennium: TheBigJerk: Fark It: Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed

No, it's "profit".  He got a LOT of money from conservative and white supremacist groups to aid his initial legal defense.  Several years' salary by his current income scale.

He may have gotten a lot of money, but US defense attorneys are infamous for how much they can cost. Did he get enough to cover that?


Sort of

The defense team did it "kinda" pro-bono, they didn't charge billable hours, but did have to cover expenses like expert witnesses and evidence gathering/analysis, neither of which are cheap.
 
2013-08-27 07:31:02 AM
Good. Hopefully he uses some of it to buy more guns.
 
2013-08-27 07:31:15 AM

fredklein: Abacus9: Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Sure does. Especially when it was you who started the whole thing by following him around the neighborhood (by car and on foot), while you were armed, and after referring to him as an "asshole" simply because of the color of his skin.


Following someone doesn't justify striking first. Especially since Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a weapon, nor could he have known that Zimmerman had called him an "asshole", nor can you have known that this was due to Martin's race.
 
2013-08-27 07:31:16 AM

spentshells: Everyone who is found to be innocent should get all lawyer fees back


Sounds good until you think about it.  Should O.J. Simpson or Jeffrey Epstein get back the millions they spent on lawyers?  It's a generally-accepted truism that the more expensive the lawyer the more likely you are to get off, is it a good idea to start guaranteeing a payout to them?
 
2013-08-27 07:32:10 AM
3. Profit


Pay the man.
 
2013-08-27 07:32:14 AM
He was found not guilty, and defense lawyers are notorious for charging a metric buttload of money for their services.  I'm cool with him getting reimbursed by the state that decided to try him for murder when they had virtually no case.
 
2013-08-27 07:32:33 AM
Side note:

Been following/posting in these Zimmerman threads from the beginning, and just started watching Breaking Bad this month.

I find it staggering that in all these threads I have not seen a single comment alluding to the Jesse/Tuco fight, or related pic, despite the similarities (drug stuff aside)
 
2013-08-27 07:33:06 AM

smoky2010: Good! The man never committed a crime. He should be reimbursed for his troubles and his good name being smeared through the news.


So... dense...
 
2013-08-27 07:33:19 AM

teto85: Step 1.) Shoot a kid armed with a can of Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles.

Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground."

Step 3.) Profit.


I'm sure you're just trolling, but it works both ways.  If he was convicted by a jury he would've had to have paid the prosecution their costs.
 
2013-08-27 07:33:23 AM

Gestankfaust: Will you morons learn that's what neighbor hood watched do. Follow suspicious people around.


To be fair, Zimmerman was off-duty. He shouldn't have followed Martin. But that still doesn't justify Martin's apparent role in the whole thing, and it certainly doesn't mean Zimmerman should have allowed himself to be killed.
 
2013-08-27 07:33:45 AM

Abacus9: Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?


Absolutely, and it always has, if they put you in a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.  That's the law in all 50 states.
 
2013-08-27 07:33:54 AM
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2013-08-27 07:34:21 AM
The case should have never gone to trial. The state never had a chance of proving their case with the evidence they had and they wasted FL tax payer money.

Looks like the whole ordeal is going to end up costing the state even more.
 
2013-08-27 07:36:15 AM

Millennium: fredklein: Abacus9: Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Sure does. Especially when it was you who started the whole thing by following him around the neighborhood (by car and on foot), while you were armed, and after referring to him as an "asshole" simply because of the color of his skin.

Following someone doesn't justify striking first. Especially since Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a weapon, nor could he have known that Zimmerman had called him an "asshole", nor can you have known that this was due to Martin's race.


And we don't KNOW that OJ killed Nicole.

But when Zimmerman gets the money (funded by taxpayers so yeah it really punishes the DA *eyeroll*) I wouldn't be surprised if the Martin family gets most of it through a civil suit.
 
2013-08-27 07:36:52 AM

Vodka Zombie: Florida should reward its racists and lunatics.  They're an important part of its cultural identity, after all.


Hey, they got their trial they were carrying on so much about. And at the trial they so wanted, they got an abject lesson that "black rage" is not going to be accepted as a rationalization for bad behavior. Along with the pride of having a black President comes acceptance into the mainstream. This is a double-edged sword, because it also means the end of your specially-protected "victim-class" status.
 
2013-08-27 07:37:47 AM

TheBigJerk: wouldn't be surprised if the Martin family gets most of it through a civil suit.


I would be. In FL if you can prove self defense you're immune from civil suits.
 
2013-08-27 07:38:02 AM

Gestankfaust: fredklein: Abacus9: Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Sure does. Especially when it was you who started the whole thing by following him around the neighborhood (by car and on foot), while you were armed, and after referring to him as an "asshole" simply because of the color of his skin.

Will you morons learn that's what neighbor hood watched do. Follow suspicious people around. He did pick some poor defenseless black kid and decide to pick on him. And YES...shooting a person who is on top of you banging your head on the ground that saw, and tried to go for, said gun...is self defense.


Firstly, it's really inappropriate to call others "morons" when you can't even spell. Even if it was just an innocent mistake, it makes you look dumb.

Second, do you have a cite? I've been unable to find a "neighbor hood watched"(sic) website that advocates 1) being armed, 2) calling people "assholes" simply because of their color, 3) stalking them through the neighborhood, and 4) shooting them dead.

Third, while the law may disagree, I (and many others) don't feel it's self defense if you are the one who started it. 'Starting it' means you are on the offensive, not defensive.
 
2013-08-27 07:38:17 AM

TheBigJerk: Fark It: Step 3.) Profit. Get reimbursed

No, it's "profit".  He got a LOT of money from conservative and white supremacist groups to aid his initial legal defense.  Several years' salary by his current income scale.


I believe that the law in Florida is you are correct.  It doesn't matter that a third source already reimbursed the costs.  However, I don't know whether the money will go to the lawyers - their profit - or to Zimmerman - his profit.

Wendy's Chili: Didn't Hannity and other racists pay for his lawyers?


In Florida, Lawyer's fees aren't costs unless agreed to or defined in such a way in a contract.  This is just for the costs of depositions, transcripts, exhibits, and expert witness fees.  You can google "Florida Uniform Taxation of Costs" for a general guideline of what is recoverable.  However, that's for civil cases.  In Florida the costs that are recoverable are governed by statute and I'm far too lazy to look that up right now.
 
2013-08-27 07:39:04 AM

TheBigJerk: Millennium: fredklein: Abacus9: Step 2.) Claim "Stand Your Ground." self-defense - Shooting an unarmed person now qualifies as self-defense?

Sure does. Especially when it was you who started the whole thing by following him around the neighborhood (by car and on foot), while you were armed, and after referring to him as an "asshole" simply because of the color of his skin.

Following someone doesn't justify striking first. Especially since Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a weapon, nor could he have known that Zimmerman had called him an "asshole", nor can you have known that this was due to Martin's race.

And we don't KNOW that OJ killed Nicole.

But when Zimmerman gets the money (funded by taxpayers so yeah it really punishes the DA *eyeroll*) I wouldn't be surprised if the Martin family gets most of it through a civil suit.


Nope

Florida self defense statute shields against all court proceedings, criminal and civil, and specifically states that those who bring said cases shall pay all legal fees incurred by the defendant.

The Martins won't get a single red cent from Zimmerman, especially as it would look like a tacit admission of guilt if he voluntarily gave them money.
 
2013-08-27 07:41:07 AM

TheBigJerk: spentshells: Everyone who is found to be innocent should get all lawyer fees back

Sounds good until you think about it.  Should O.J. Simpson or Jeffrey Epstein get back the millions they spent on lawyers?  It's a generally-accepted truism that the more expensive the lawyer the more likely you are to get off, is it a good idea to start guaranteeing a payout to them?


THIS!

Now if they can PROVE that the prosecutor acted maliciously then defendants should be able to go after them for that.  I don't think it's a wise idea to start with the assumption that if you win you will get reimbursed.  Besides, isn't that the point of a public defender anyway or is that more of a sliding scale type of thing.
 
2013-08-27 07:41:21 AM
He was acquitted, why shouldn't he get the money? They dragged him through court for that long only to drop the charges basically.
 
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