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(NYPost)   The Essence of True Heroism: Having faced a 'blizzard of bullets' for his fellow Soldiers in Afghanistan, U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Ty Carter received the Medal of Honor from President Obama today   (nypost.com) divider line 26
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2013-08-26 08:47:17 PM
6 votes:
Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.
2013-08-27 10:55:34 AM
4 votes:

PunGent: gfid: dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.

And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?

Heh, that's a whole different question.

Not a bad question, mind you...


Actually, it *IS* a bad question.

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If we've *EVER* had a good reason to go to war, this was it.

More people died in the 9/11 attack than died in the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Pearl Harbor attack was focused entirely on military assets, instead of civilians.

We *HAD* to go into Afghanistan, as soon as the Taliban government sided with and protected Al Qaeda.

No choice.

I think people start conflating in their minds the subsequent invasion of Iraq, which actually was unnecessary and ill-advised, with the invasion of Afghanistan, which we were forced to do by the action of others, and was essential for the US to remain a credible threat.  Probably this is because the invasion of Iraq happened less than 2 years after we went into Afghanistan, and now 10 years later they sort of bleed together in people's minds, unless they actually take a moment and think about it.
2013-08-27 07:28:37 AM
3 votes:

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.


The Medal Of Honor under most circumstances is not awarded for killing the enemy. It's for protecting your own troops at great personal risk or sacrifice. Which is why most of the Medal of Honors have been given posthumously. There have been guys who jumped on a grenade or drew fire away from others. If you read the citations, it's something like that, or they volunteer to be the last one in the group to leave an area, fighting like crazy to give the others a chance to escape.

Salute.
2013-08-27 04:42:14 AM
3 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: log_jammin: you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?

An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act. I don't see how it would be possible to argue otherwise. And by creating media surrounding tales of people doing heroic things, the medals are designed to foster public support for military actions.


Sorry, but I can't criticize Obama for this.  What's he supposed to do?  Make a phone call and tell him the medal is being mailed to him?

Sorry, but it's an honor to be awarded that medal.  That's why they call it the Medal of Honor. Let's save our outrage over Obama's political moves for something else.  Him being awarded the Medal of Honor was not a defense of going to war in the first place, which maybe you're aware Obama didn't start.  It wasn't a statement on foreign policy.  It was meant to honor someone who served our country and did so heroically.  I see honoring him as unpolitical.  It's something I think all Americans can support no matter if we're Democrats, Republicans or even Communists.

Go piss in someone else's cornflakes.
2013-08-27 04:18:49 AM
3 votes:

Wrencher: NFA: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.

Actually, it should be an honor for any President. Even if a President were to already have one themselves.


I had assumed that was what fecking meant. Not that the POTUS is to be criticized, but that getting to award the Congressional Medal of Honor to someone is insanely rare. How many people get a chance to stand on stage with someone nationally recognized as a bonafide badass warrior, and be the one to introduce them and hand them the award?

Heroes are forged, not born, and the crucible breaks upon each casting.
2013-08-27 03:49:13 AM
3 votes:

log_jammin: you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?


An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act. I don't see how it would be possible to argue otherwise. And by creating media surrounding tales of people doing heroic things, the medals are designed to foster public support for military actions.
2013-08-27 07:23:39 AM
2 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act


Medals are (almost) always awarded publically. And getting the nation's highest honor is kinda a big deal. Especially if you are still alive at the time. The president has always awarded the MOH (as far as I know) for living recipients. I've never seen a case where it was "Look how cool a president I am" and not "This is all about this soldier who did a very brave thing"


On a side note, I wonder what would happen to you, if you walked up on stage and told the president he could keep his damn medal and you don't want it from him.
2013-08-27 04:30:04 AM
2 votes:

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.


We honor those who are willing to put their life on the line, in the service of others. Contempt is reserved for those who send them into harm's way needlessly.
If you don't have respect for someone willing to die to protect you and your country, you just suck.
2013-08-27 03:53:13 AM
2 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: log_jammin: you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?

An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act. I don't see how it would be possible to argue otherwise. And by creating media surrounding tales of people doing heroic things, the medals are designed to foster public support for military actions.


And if one thinks otherwise, how often do the medal recipients say things like, "I deserved this" "this is what I always wanted" "I'm just glad I was recognized for my accomplishments."
2013-08-27 12:53:04 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: PunGent: gfid: dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.

And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?

Heh, that's a whole different question.

Not a bad question, mind you...

Actually, it *IS* a bad question.

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If we've *EVER* had a good reason to go to war, this was it.

More people died in the 9/11 attack than died in the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Pearl Harbor attack was focused entirely on military assets, instead of civilians.

We *HAD* to go into Afghanistan, as soon as the Taliban government sided with and protected Al Qaeda.

No choice.

I think people start conflating in their minds the subsequent invasion of Iraq, which actually was unnecessary and ill-advised, with the invasion of Afghanistan, which we were forced to do by the action of others, and was essential for the US to remain a credible threat.  Probably this is because the invasion of Iraq happened less than 2 years after we went into Afghanistan, and now 10 years later they sort of bleed together in people's minds, unless they actually take a moment and think about it.


What's interesting is I actually agree with you.  I think we definitely should have gone into Afghanistan and tore that place up and I think we should have left Iraq as it was with no-fly zones and stuff.

But like you said "Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position ".  I wasn't trying to make an argument against going into Afghanistan.  I was just pointing out that the whole country is a "relatively bad position".

I don't even know how Afghanistan can exist as a single entity.  It seems better suited to being divided up into several smaller countries each controlled by their own little tribe.
2013-08-27 10:50:38 AM
1 votes:

mediablitz: As a 6 year military veteran, I find your pretend naivete insulting.


as a 4 year military veteran let me just say fark you, at your insinuation that a medal of honor recipient must receive his medal in the dark behind closed doors or else it means he's nothing more than an exploitation victim. especially when he took that time to speak out about his, and others PTSD.

"pretend  naivete". seriously, fark off.
2013-08-27 09:17:43 AM
1 votes:

Apik0r0s: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

You sir, are an un-American piece of human garbage.


I don't know the poster's intent, but based on the words alone what in the world is wrong with his statement?

I would consider it a great honor to simply shake Sgt. Carter's hand.  The president presented him with the MoH.
2013-08-27 08:59:21 AM
1 votes:

MythDragon: On a side note, I wonder what would happen to you, if you walked up on stage and told the president he could keep his damn medal and you don't want it from him.


Nothing, because it won't happen, not with a soldier still on active duty.  The president is their highest superior, plain and simple.  Doing something like that would be something akin to meeting God, face to face, and telling him or her to fark off.

The nice thing for SSG Carter is that now, for the rest of his military career, whenever he is wearing that ribbon on his uniform, officers, including the highest ranking generals, won't be returning his salutes, they will be saluting him*.


*Technically, they are saluting the ribbon, but whatever.
2013-08-27 07:14:52 AM
1 votes:

PunGent: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

THIS.   Can I haz court-martial, pleez?


Double this.
2013-08-27 04:50:16 AM
1 votes:

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's?


They don't?

Would this be a bad time to point out that the plural of hero is not "hero's", but "heroes"?  English mother-farker, do you speak it?

In reality pretty much every country in the world does treat soldiers like heroes, especially when they face danger in the line of enemy fire and go above and beyond the call of duty.  Even Australia does that.

Get off your high horse kangaroo and step into the real world.
2013-08-27 04:21:59 AM
1 votes:

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's?


Oh dear.
2013-08-27 04:21:53 AM
1 votes:
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2013-08-27 04:20:16 AM
1 votes:
Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.
2013-08-27 04:07:28 AM
1 votes:
The best way to honor these guys is to stop having these worthless farking wars every 2 years.
Onward to Syria!
2013-08-27 04:06:01 AM
1 votes:

NFA: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.


Actually, it should be an honor for any President. Even if a President were to already have one themselves.
2013-08-27 04:04:11 AM
1 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: No, but when it's used to help perpetuate a state that continues to put soldiers in harm's way for no good reason, then that crosses a line, imo.


you seem to be some sort of mind reader.
2013-08-27 04:01:48 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: political act =/= expoltiation


No, but when it's used to help perpetuate a state that continues to put soldiers in harm's way for no good reason, then that crosses a line, imo.

Maybe if I'd talked with a soldier that came back from Afghanistan that said "man, we're doing a really good thing there," I would feel differently. But everyone I've known there has said it feels like they're putting their life on the line for no reason.
2013-08-27 03:55:21 AM
1 votes:
It's a slide show, but whoa!

Enormous Testicles of Steel!
2013-08-27 03:42:24 AM
1 votes:
FTA: "Still suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, Carter stood nearly emotionless during the ceremony, &

No medal can take away the damage that is done to these men and women serving in the armed forces. It's a shame the politicians continue to put them in harm's way, and then exploit their heroism for public support that helps to perpetuate our endless wars Global Struggle Against People Who Hate Us For Our Freedoms!
2013-08-27 02:35:25 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: I'll be over here waiting for someone to complain about the hero tag.


why would someone complain? these are the few cases where HERO is clearly warranted.
I guess extreme military haters ....

I hate war and the military complex as much as the next guy, but I have family and friends in afghan and other fobs today. why would anyone hate the soldiers?

/not counting the insane farks like at those prisons or some of the insanity in VN ...
/gah - I hate people
2013-08-27 01:23:13 AM
1 votes:
I'll be over here waiting for someone to complain about the hero tag.
 
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