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(NYPost)   The Essence of True Heroism: Having faced a 'blizzard of bullets' for his fellow Soldiers in Afghanistan, U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Ty Carter received the Medal of Honor from President Obama today   (nypost.com) divider line 99
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2013-08-26 08:47:17 PM  
Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.
 
2013-08-26 08:54:26 PM  
Salute, SSG. Carter. May you have a long and peaceful life
 
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2013-08-26 09:33:34 PM  

feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.


Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.
 
2013-08-26 09:47:04 PM  

NFA: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.


That was a shot? I'll have to turn on MSNBC, to find out what's acceptable today
 
2013-08-27 01:23:13 AM  
I'll be over here waiting for someone to complain about the hero tag.
 
2013-08-27 02:15:26 AM  

log_jammin: I'll be over here waiting for someone to complain about the hero tag.


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2013-08-27 02:17:21 AM  
Also, salute to Ty Carter.
 
2013-08-27 02:35:25 AM  

log_jammin: I'll be over here waiting for someone to complain about the hero tag.


why would someone complain? these are the few cases where HERO is clearly warranted.
I guess extreme military haters ....

I hate war and the military complex as much as the next guy, but I have family and friends in afghan and other fobs today. why would anyone hate the soldiers?

/not counting the insane farks like at those prisons or some of the insanity in VN ...
/gah - I hate people
 
2013-08-27 02:45:46 AM  

namatad: why would someone complain?


because there's always someone.

always.
 
2013-08-27 03:13:25 AM  

log_jammin: namatad: why would someone complain?

because there's always someone.

always.


The important thing is to focus on them, and not Ty Carter.
 
2013-08-27 03:15:40 AM  

impaler: The important thing is to focus on them, and not Ty Carter.


who?
 
2013-08-27 03:32:40 AM  

log_jammin: impaler: The important thing is to focus on them, and not Ty Carter.

who?


Miley Cyrus. That woman that was twerking at the VMAs? You might have heard of her.
 
2013-08-27 03:38:31 AM  

impaler: Miley Cyrus. That woman that was twerking at the VMAs? You might have heard of her.


dude that was crazy!!!!
 
2013-08-27 03:41:19 AM  

NFA: Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president. Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.


Give your a TFer I thought you would be use to this but...



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2013-08-27 03:42:24 AM  
FTA: "Still suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, Carter stood nearly emotionless during the ceremony, &

No medal can take away the damage that is done to these men and women serving in the armed forces. It's a shame the politicians continue to put them in harm's way, and then exploit their heroism for public support that helps to perpetuate our endless wars Global Struggle Against People Who Hate Us For Our Freedoms!
 
2013-08-27 03:45:40 AM  
I installed the mwr Internet(spawar) at that fob 7 months before that happened. Crazy times.
 
2013-08-27 03:45:47 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: and then exploit their heroism for public support


you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?
 
2013-08-27 03:48:01 AM  
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2013-08-27 03:49:13 AM  

log_jammin: you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?


An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act. I don't see how it would be possible to argue otherwise. And by creating media surrounding tales of people doing heroic things, the medals are designed to foster public support for military actions.
 
2013-08-27 03:50:27 AM  

Allen262: Give your a TFer I thought you would be use to this but...


You may be having a stroke.

Time lost is brain lost.
 
2013-08-27 03:53:13 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: log_jammin: you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?

An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act. I don't see how it would be possible to argue otherwise. And by creating media surrounding tales of people doing heroic things, the medals are designed to foster public support for military actions.


And if one thinks otherwise, how often do the medal recipients say things like, "I deserved this" "this is what I always wanted" "I'm just glad I was recognized for my accomplishments."
 
2013-08-27 03:55:13 AM  

The Muthaship: Allen262: Give your a TFer I thought you would be use to this but...

You may be having a stroke.

Time lost is brain lost.


Well I farked that up...
 
2013-08-27 03:55:21 AM  
It's a slide show, but whoa!

Enormous Testicles of Steel!
 
2013-08-27 03:56:12 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act.


political act =/= expoltiation
 
2013-08-27 03:59:03 AM  

impaler: And if one thinks otherwise, how often do the medal recipients say things like, "I deserved this" "this is what I always wanted" "I'm just glad I was recognized for my accomplishments."


I think you're confusing between a) the awarding of the medal and b) the public acts surrounding the medal.

It's like the difference between a Nobel Prize in Chemistry and a Nobel Peace Prize.

The latter is a very political act that uses the media surrounding it to make very political statements, while the other is mostly for recognition among your peers of the outstanding things you have done in your field (along with a nice pile of cash).
 
2013-08-27 03:59:23 AM  
Well, hell. My hat's off to you. Even if you were a Marine named Sergeant Carter. You don't look the way I envisioned.
 
2013-08-27 04:00:05 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FTA: "Still suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, Carter stood nearly emotionless during the ceremony, &



also to put this in context

Still suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome, Carter stood nearly emotionless during the ceremony, although a faint smile crossed his face near the end that turned into a broad grin as Obama hung the metal and its blue ribbon around his neck and the audience - which included 40 members of the recipient's family - answered with a rousing standing ovation.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:  No medal can take away the damage that is done to these men and women serving in the armed forces.

which is why he spent time talking about his PTSD.
 
2013-08-27 04:01:01 AM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2013-08-27 04:01:48 AM  

log_jammin: political act =/= expoltiation


No, but when it's used to help perpetuate a state that continues to put soldiers in harm's way for no good reason, then that crosses a line, imo.

Maybe if I'd talked with a soldier that came back from Afghanistan that said "man, we're doing a really good thing there," I would feel differently. But everyone I've known there has said it feels like they're putting their life on the line for no reason.
 
2013-08-27 04:02:07 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I think you're confusing between a) the awarding of the medal and b) the public acts surrounding the medal.


please demonstrate the difference between the two. what specifically makes this more than awarding a medal.
 
2013-08-27 04:04:04 AM  

log_jammin: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: No medal can take away the damage that is done to these men and women serving in the armed forces.

which is why he spent time talking about his PTSD.


Yeah, I think that he used his platform to speak out on PTSD is another really heroic thing to have done. I'm glad that he took advantage of the opportunity given to him to do it.
 
2013-08-27 04:04:11 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: No, but when it's used to help perpetuate a state that continues to put soldiers in harm's way for no good reason, then that crosses a line, imo.


you seem to be some sort of mind reader.
 
2013-08-27 04:06:01 AM  

NFA: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.


Actually, it should be an honor for any President. Even if a President were to already have one themselves.
 
2013-08-27 04:06:36 AM  
Congratulations, Sgt. Carter.
 
2013-08-27 04:07:28 AM  
The best way to honor these guys is to stop having these worthless farking wars every 2 years.
Onward to Syria!
 
2013-08-27 04:08:06 AM  

feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.


You sir, are an un-American piece of human garbage.
 
2013-08-27 04:12:51 AM  
The NSA knows exactly how many bullets he dodged that day.
 
2013-08-27 04:18:49 AM  

Wrencher: NFA: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.

Actually, it should be an honor for any President. Even if a President were to already have one themselves.


I had assumed that was what fecking meant. Not that the POTUS is to be criticized, but that getting to award the Congressional Medal of Honor to someone is insanely rare. How many people get a chance to stand on stage with someone nationally recognized as a bonafide badass warrior, and be the one to introduce them and hand them the award?

Heroes are forged, not born, and the crucible breaks upon each casting.
 
2013-08-27 04:20:16 AM  
Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.
 
2013-08-27 04:21:53 AM  
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2013-08-27 04:21:59 AM  

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's?


Oh dear.
 
2013-08-27 04:30:04 AM  

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.


We honor those who are willing to put their life on the line, in the service of others. Contempt is reserved for those who send them into harm's way needlessly.
If you don't have respect for someone willing to die to protect you and your country, you just suck.
 
2013-08-27 04:30:24 AM  
close enough.

I'm calling it at 04:20:16 a.m.
 
2013-08-27 04:37:33 AM  
The Outpost by Jake Tapper is an excellent history of COP Keating and the men who lived and died there.  Highly recommended, unless you have hypertension - it is a maddening indictment of the inefficiency and seeming total incompetence of US high command.
 
2013-08-27 04:42:14 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: log_jammin: you think being awarded the CMO is exploitation?

An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act. I don't see how it would be possible to argue otherwise. And by creating media surrounding tales of people doing heroic things, the medals are designed to foster public support for military actions.


Sorry, but I can't criticize Obama for this.  What's he supposed to do?  Make a phone call and tell him the medal is being mailed to him?

Sorry, but it's an honor to be awarded that medal.  That's why they call it the Medal of Honor. Let's save our outrage over Obama's political moves for something else.  Him being awarded the Medal of Honor was not a defense of going to war in the first place, which maybe you're aware Obama didn't start.  It wasn't a statement on foreign policy.  It was meant to honor someone who served our country and did so heroically.  I see honoring him as unpolitical.  It's something I think all Americans can support no matter if we're Democrats, Republicans or even Communists.

Go piss in someone else's cornflakes.
 
2013-08-27 04:50:16 AM  

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's?


They don't?

Would this be a bad time to point out that the plural of hero is not "hero's", but "heroes"?  English mother-farker, do you speak it?

In reality pretty much every country in the world does treat soldiers like heroes, especially when they face danger in the line of enemy fire and go above and beyond the call of duty.  Even Australia does that.

Get off your high horse kangaroo and step into the real world.
 
2013-08-27 04:51:57 AM  
I've seen disaster threads before, but this one was a freaky fast spin back to the pad.
 
2013-08-27 05:21:06 AM  
img1.fark.net I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?
 
2013-08-27 05:22:36 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?


There have been many, many discussions about that at various levels.
 
2013-08-27 05:40:57 AM  

log_jammin: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I think you're confusing between a) the awarding of the medal and b) the public acts surrounding the medal.

please demonstrate the difference between the two. what specifically makes this more than awarding a medal.


LOL WUT?
 
2013-08-27 05:43:24 AM  

Wrencher: Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.

We honor those who are willing to put their life on the line, in the service of others. Contempt is reserved for those who send them into harm's way needlessly.
If you don't have respect for someone willing to die to protect you and your country, you just suck.


appeal to emotion! Awesome
 
2013-08-27 05:52:18 AM  

stirfrybry: log_jammin: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I think you're confusing between a) the awarding of the medal and b) the public acts surrounding the medal.

please demonstrate the difference between the two. what specifically makes this more than awarding a medal.

LOL WUT?


wut? lol.
 
2013-08-27 05:53:26 AM  
Another Medal of Honor recipient with a pulse and the ability to reap the benefits of said honor?  Obama's America, people.
 
2013-08-27 05:55:54 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: log_jammin: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: No medal can take away the damage that is done to these men and women serving in the armed forces.

which is why he spent time talking about his PTSD.

Yeah, I think that he used his platform to speak out on PTSD is another really heroic thing to have done. I'm glad that he took advantage of the opportunity given to him to do it.


Would this be the "public act around the award" that has you going full retard?
 
2013-08-27 06:25:40 AM  

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.


From an external standpoint, your country seems to be full of racists.

/Kinda trolling, does it count if it's true?
 
2013-08-27 06:38:01 AM  
FTFA "Carter told reporters outside the White House that winning the medal had been "one of the greatest experiences" for his family and that he would "strive to live up to the responsibility.""
Well done Carter. But you didn't win the medal, you earned it. Congrats.
 
2013-08-27 06:55:17 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?


THIS.   Can I haz court-martial, pleez?
 
2013-08-27 07:05:59 AM  

NFA: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

Nothing like using the achievements of a hero to take a low dirty shot at the president.  Then again, I would expect nothing more from you.


I half agree with that statement, it's an honor for both, and yea, probably more so for Obama.
 
2013-08-27 07:14:52 AM  

PunGent: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

THIS.   Can I haz court-martial, pleez?


Double this.
 
2013-08-27 07:18:48 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

There have been many, many discussions about that at various levels.


One of the neat things about the military is that it often looks to correct its mistakes through after action reports and "lessons learned" types of papers.  It's by no means a perfect process, and of course it can be and sometimes is corrupted by finger-pointing and CYA types of maneuvering, but overall it's a good process.
 
2013-08-27 07:22:22 AM  

readbot42: PunGent: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

THIS.   Can I haz court-martial, pleez?

Double this.


I wouldn't be too hasty.

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.   For all we know, it was necessary, given the situation as the local commander saw it without the benefit of hindsight.
 
2013-08-27 07:23:39 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: An elected official awarding the medal in a big ceremony with press in attendance makes it an inherently political act


Medals are (almost) always awarded publically. And getting the nation's highest honor is kinda a big deal. Especially if you are still alive at the time. The president has always awarded the MOH (as far as I know) for living recipients. I've never seen a case where it was "Look how cool a president I am" and not "This is all about this soldier who did a very brave thing"


On a side note, I wonder what would happen to you, if you walked up on stage and told the president he could keep his damn medal and you don't want it from him.
 
2013-08-27 07:26:38 AM  

PunGent: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

THIS.


filmdope.com

"My bad."
 
2013-08-27 07:28:37 AM  

Downblunder: Just out of curiosity, do American's realise other countries don't treat their soldiers like hero's? Seeing all the hero tag posts on Fark for vets and stuff like that time Colbert had an audience full of returning Iraq vets seems weird to me.

From an external observer it kinda plays into the stereotype of the US being a little too in love with war as a concept.


The Medal Of Honor under most circumstances is not awarded for killing the enemy. It's for protecting your own troops at great personal risk or sacrifice. Which is why most of the Medal of Honors have been given posthumously. There have been guys who jumped on a grenade or drew fire away from others. If you read the citations, it's something like that, or they volunteer to be the last one in the group to leave an area, fighting like crazy to give the others a chance to escape.

Salute.
 
2013-08-27 07:32:01 AM  
The PTSD fight has been addressed.  Good.
 
2013-08-27 07:38:52 AM  
Propaganda. Whatever
 
2013-08-27 07:40:18 AM  
Its always nice to know that in a moment where we recognize this man's extraordinary heroism in service to our country, that we recognize what is even more important: Trolling FARK.

Yeah, yeah, I know, welcome to FARK. Doesn't mean you can't put away the keyboard and show a little class for once.
 
2013-08-27 07:41:43 AM  

dittybopper: HotWingAgenda: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

There have been many, many discussions about that at various levels.

One of the neat things about the military is that it often looks to correct its mistakes through after action reports and "lessons learned" types of papers.  It's by no means a perfect process, and of course it can be and sometimes is corrupted by finger-pointing and CYA types of maneuvering, but overall it's a good process.


See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.
 
2013-08-27 07:55:11 AM  
Yeah whatever.
Lovers only love you when they're playin'.

When the Army does stupid shiat and troops are forced to do amazing things to save their and other peoples' hides, generals should be fired.
 
2013-08-27 08:54:22 AM  

PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.


See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.
 
2013-08-27 08:59:21 AM  

MythDragon: On a side note, I wonder what would happen to you, if you walked up on stage and told the president he could keep his damn medal and you don't want it from him.


Nothing, because it won't happen, not with a soldier still on active duty.  The president is their highest superior, plain and simple.  Doing something like that would be something akin to meeting God, face to face, and telling him or her to fark off.

The nice thing for SSG Carter is that now, for the rest of his military career, whenever he is wearing that ribbon on his uniform, officers, including the highest ranking generals, won't be returning his salutes, they will be saluting him*.


*Technically, they are saluting the ribbon, but whatever.
 
2013-08-27 09:17:43 AM  

Apik0r0s: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

You sir, are an un-American piece of human garbage.


I don't know the poster's intent, but based on the words alone what in the world is wrong with his statement?

I would consider it a great honor to simply shake Sgt. Carter's hand.  The president presented him with the MoH.
 
2013-08-27 09:22:16 AM  

JustGetItRight: Apik0r0s: feckingmorons: Good for Sgt. Carter, what an honor for the President.

You sir, are an un-American piece of human garbage.

I don't know the poster's intent, but based on the words alone what in the world is wrong with his statement?

I would consider it a great honor to simply shake Sgt. Carter's hand.  The president presented him with the MoH.


I would consider it to be the 'best part' of being President. The job of visibly recognizing what is best in us ...
 
2013-08-27 09:44:10 AM  

dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.


And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?
 
2013-08-27 09:44:56 AM  
So, he got a medal because the Taliban can't shoot for shiat?  War is a Racket.
 
2013-08-27 09:52:48 AM  
Thanks for your service SSGT Carter.

On a somewhat unrelated note:

I'd still like to know why Brian Chontosh wasn't awarded a MoH.
 
2013-08-27 09:57:29 AM  

LiberalConservative: FTFA "Carter told reporters outside the White House that winning the medal had been "one of the greatest experiences" for his family and that he would "strive to live up to the responsibility.""
Well done Carter. But you didn't win the medal, you earned it. Congrats.


Can just hear obama telling SSgt that he didn't earn the medal.
 
2013-08-27 10:03:09 AM  

dittybopper: MythDragon: On a side note, I wonder what would happen to you, if you walked up on stage and told the president he could keep his damn medal and you don't want it from him.

Nothing, because it won't happen, not with a soldier still on active duty.  The president is their highest superior, plain and simple.  Doing something like that would be something akin to meeting God, face to face, and telling him or her to fark off.



I know what it would be akin to, Just wondering what would happen if you did. I'm not a fan of Obama, but I certianly would never do it, as it would be more than just an afront to the president, it would be a slap in the face of everyone who has given their life for this country. But I still wonder if you had some really disgruntled soldier who took the medal, hucked it into the bushes, and said "Yeah, that's what I think of your award" what would happen. For an officer it would be especially bad, but what about an enlisted man? Kicked out? Field Grade Article 15? Court marshall? Wall-to-wall counseling statement?
 
2013-08-27 10:04:23 AM  

dittybopper: readbot42: PunGent: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [54x11 from http://img1.fark.net/images/2001/topics/hero.gif image 54x11] I won't argue with.

But who the hell had the bright idea of putting Combat Outpost Keating "at the bottom of a valley and surrounded by high mountains", to quote TFA?

THIS.   Can I haz court-martial, pleez?

Double this.

I wouldn't be too hasty.

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.   For all we know, it was necessary, given the situation as the local commander saw it without the benefit of hindsight.


Possibly.  "The situation requires it" is the sort of BS West Point fark-ups use to cover each other's asses, though...if the situation REQUIRED a bad deployment...part of the farking job as an officer is to CHANGE the situation.
You know...make the enemy react to you, instead of you reacting to them...military doctrine since, I dunno, all of recorded history.

How long was that outpost there?  longer than about a month...I say demote the bastard.
 
2013-08-27 10:05:59 AM  

gfid: dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.

And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?


Heh, that's a whole different question.

Not a bad question, mind you...
 
2013-08-27 10:31:14 AM  

log_jammin: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: No, but when it's used to help perpetuate a state that continues to put soldiers in harm's way for no good reason, then that crosses a line, imo.

you seem to be some sort of mind reader.


You seem willfully ignorant. The medal couldn't be awarded privately, with friends and family attending? It was a publicity event. Sure, it was for a good cause, but you pretending it had no other purpose is silly.

It's no different than all the "support our troops!" crap, while they wait 18-24 months for support once we've used them up.

As a 6 year military veteran, I find your pretend naivete insulting.
 
2013-08-27 10:37:22 AM  

Molavian: I'd still like to know why Brian Chontosh wasn't awarded a MoH.


I didn't get that either. He's not complaining though. Quite the badass move on his part. There is something extra amazing about picking up the rifles of the guys you killed to kill some more.
 
2013-08-27 10:50:38 AM  

mediablitz: As a 6 year military veteran, I find your pretend naivete insulting.


as a 4 year military veteran let me just say fark you, at your insinuation that a medal of honor recipient must receive his medal in the dark behind closed doors or else it means he's nothing more than an exploitation victim. especially when he took that time to speak out about his, and others PTSD.

"pretend  naivete". seriously, fark off.
 
2013-08-27 10:55:34 AM  

PunGent: gfid: dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.

And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?

Heh, that's a whole different question.

Not a bad question, mind you...


Actually, it *IS* a bad question.

2.bp.blogspot.com

If we've *EVER* had a good reason to go to war, this was it.

More people died in the 9/11 attack than died in the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Pearl Harbor attack was focused entirely on military assets, instead of civilians.

We *HAD* to go into Afghanistan, as soon as the Taliban government sided with and protected Al Qaeda.

No choice.

I think people start conflating in their minds the subsequent invasion of Iraq, which actually was unnecessary and ill-advised, with the invasion of Afghanistan, which we were forced to do by the action of others, and was essential for the US to remain a credible threat.  Probably this is because the invasion of Iraq happened less than 2 years after we went into Afghanistan, and now 10 years later they sort of bleed together in people's minds, unless they actually take a moment and think about it.
 
2013-08-27 10:56:15 AM  

LiberalConservative: FTFA "Carter told reporters outside the White House that winning the medal had been "one of the greatest experiences" for his family and that he would "strive to live up to the responsibility.""
Well done Carter. But you didn't win the medal, you earned it. Congrats.


Carter got a Medal, but he didn't earn that.  Somebody else did that for him.
 
2013-08-27 11:07:38 AM  
Salute to the soldier!  Too bad that a Kenyan dude who doesn't like the US constitution got to hold the medal during the ceremony, though.
 
2013-08-27 12:10:05 PM  

EliminateNinniesAndTwits: Salute to the soldier!  Too bad that a Kenyan dude who doesn't like the US constitution got to hold the medal during the ceremony, though.


OMG you owe me a new keyboard, that was sooo funny!  And fresh, too!
 
2013-08-27 12:53:04 PM  

dittybopper: PunGent: gfid: dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.

And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?

Heh, that's a whole different question.

Not a bad question, mind you...

Actually, it *IS* a bad question.

[504x382 from http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gCeJykmRHq8/TW2CLnAoBSI/AAAAAAAAAAo/n2P5ADtm l48/s748/911.jpg image 504x382]

If we've *EVER* had a good reason to go to war, this was it.

More people died in the 9/11 attack than died in the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Pearl Harbor attack was focused entirely on military assets, instead of civilians.

We *HAD* to go into Afghanistan, as soon as the Taliban government sided with and protected Al Qaeda.

No choice.

I think people start conflating in their minds the subsequent invasion of Iraq, which actually was unnecessary and ill-advised, with the invasion of Afghanistan, which we were forced to do by the action of others, and was essential for the US to remain a credible threat.  Probably this is because the invasion of Iraq happened less than 2 years after we went into Afghanistan, and now 10 years later they sort of bleed together in people's minds, unless they actually take a moment and think about it.


What's interesting is I actually agree with you.  I think we definitely should have gone into Afghanistan and tore that place up and I think we should have left Iraq as it was with no-fly zones and stuff.

But like you said "Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position ".  I wasn't trying to make an argument against going into Afghanistan.  I was just pointing out that the whole country is a "relatively bad position".

I don't even know how Afghanistan can exist as a single entity.  It seems better suited to being divided up into several smaller countries each controlled by their own little tribe.
 
2013-08-27 02:50:53 PM  

gfid: But like you said "Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position ".  I wasn't trying to make an argument against going into Afghanistan.  I was just pointing out that the whole country is a "relatively bad position".


Oh, OK.   Funny thing is, though, some people actually think that way, that we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan.
 
2013-08-27 03:45:34 PM  

dittybopper: PunGent: gfid: dittybopper: PainfulItching: See Khe Sanh. and the Battle of. The Marines ended up leaving that base after a ridiculous number of casualties. Also in a valley with elevations around it. It had to be supplied with C130s coming in low and dropping their cargo on the runway.

See my other comment in this thread:

Sometimes you need to deploy into a relatively bad position, but the situation requires it and there are no good alternatives.

And by relatively bad position you mean Afghanistan, right?

Heh, that's a whole different question.

Not a bad question, mind you...

Actually, it *IS* a bad question.

[504x382 from http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gCeJykmRHq8/TW2CLnAoBSI/AAAAAAAAAAo/n2P5ADtm l48/s748/911.jpg image 504x382]

If we've *EVER* had a good reason to go to war, this was it.

More people died in the 9/11 attack than died in the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the Pearl Harbor attack was focused entirely on military assets, instead of civilians.

We *HAD* to go into Afghanistan, as soon as the Taliban government sided with and protected Al Qaeda.

No choice.

I think people start conflating in their minds the subsequent invasion of Iraq, which actually was unnecessary and ill-advised, with the invasion of Afghanistan, which we were forced to do by the action of others, and was essential for the US to remain a credible threat.  Probably this is because the invasion of Iraq happened less than 2 years after we went into Afghanistan, and now 10 years later they sort of bleed together in people's minds, unless they actually take a moment and think about it.


Go in...sure.  Stay in, for half-assed nation building?

I'm not yet convinced.

And speaking of WWII...which we wrapped up in four years...how long after 9/11 was this outpost hit?
 
2013-08-27 04:05:18 PM  

PunGent: Go in...sure.  Stay in, for half-assed nation building?

I'm not yet convinced.

And speaking of WWII...which we wrapped up in four years...how long after 9/11 was this outpost hit?


Nuke Kabul?
 
2013-08-27 04:56:57 PM  

mediablitz: You seem willfully ignorant. The medal couldn't be awarded privately, with friends and family attending? It was a publicity event. Sure, it was for a good cause, but you pretending it had no other purpose is silly.

It's no different than all the "support our troops!" crap, while they wait 18-24 months for support once we've used them up.

As a 6 year military veteran, I find your pretend naivete insulting.


As a civilian, I find this bullsh*t ironic.
 
2013-08-27 08:22:43 PM  
Every one of you Obama bashers in here denigrates the Medal of Honor and Sgt. Carter. Fark your politics, and fark you. Pump up your itty bitty baby balls and show some respect for our servicemen and women. Keyboard commandos taking potshots at the Commander In Chief when awarding a CMOH is about as vile and un-American as it gets. I haven't come to expect much better of you.

Just keep calling yourselves Americans, you filthy farking pieces of shiat.
 
2013-08-27 09:10:52 PM  

mediablitz: Molavian: I'd still like to know why Brian Chontosh wasn't awarded a MoH.

I didn't get that either. He's not complaining though. Quite the badass move on his part. There is something extra amazing about picking up the rifles of the guys you killed to kill some more.


Simply amazing.  I don't have the words to describe the type of awe I have for the guy.
 
2013-08-27 10:01:54 PM  
I bet he'd be happy to be awarded a pie in the face, as long as he was alive to receive it, you know?
 
2013-08-27 10:53:57 PM  

Apik0r0s: Every one of you Obama bashers in here denigrates the Medal of Honor and Sgt. Carter. Fark your politics, and fark you. Pump up your itty bitty baby balls and show some respect for our servicemen and women. Keyboard commandos taking potshots at the Commander In Chief when awarding a CMOH is about as vile and un-American as it gets. I haven't come to expect much better of you.

Just keep calling yourselves Americans, you filthy farking pieces of shiat.


Reminds of when Kerry was running, and "conservatives" were lining up to piss on the Navy Cross.
 
2013-08-28 02:16:16 AM  

PunGent: Apik0r0s: Every one of you Obama bashers in here denigrates the Medal of Honor and Sgt. Carter. Fark your politics, and fark you. Pump up your itty bitty baby balls and show some respect for our servicemen and women. Keyboard commandos taking potshots at the Commander In Chief when awarding a CMOH is about as vile and un-American as it gets. I haven't come to expect much better of you.

Just keep calling yourselves Americans, you filthy farking pieces of shiat.

Reminds of when Kerry was running, and "conservatives" were lining up to piss on the Navy Cross.


SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! unless they're dagburn Dimmycrat varmints.
 
2013-08-28 08:38:19 AM  
There are no words to express my gratitude for this soldier's heroism.

Youth of today - This is a true role model. He risked his life to save others. He was willing to give his all in the defense of his cause. He didn't make millions of dollars putting a ball in a hoop and afterward go out and shoot someone at a strip club and use the :roid rage" defense. Nor did he have ten children from ten different women, keeping his millions to himself and letting the government pay for his escapades.
 
2013-08-28 10:07:40 AM  
since the politicians are happy to send an american out to die
then forget them
I think they should have to look 'em in the eye when they manage not only to live
but to save their friends in an act of courage
 
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