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(Des Moines Register)   $16,000 spent to build electric car charging stations at library that were used 13 times in 15 months   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 232
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2013-08-26 06:37:18 PM
<clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
 
2013-08-26 06:45:40 PM

mephisto_kur: <clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.


Thank you for stating what should be painfully obvious, but sadly isn't.
 
2013-08-26 06:48:08 PM
Did they burst into flames after those 15 months were over?

Here in Austin they charge $2 per hour to park in those spaces, which isn't economically feasible for a plugin hybrid.  Costs about twice as much as gas.

I recently found out that they also have a $25/month unlimited deal which would be nice if there were any stations near my office.
 
2013-08-26 06:54:13 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: mephisto_kur: <clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.

Thank you for stating what should be painfully obvious, but sadly isn't.


True as that is, I'm thinking the Library may not be the place to start.  Perhaps City Hall, or a Parking Garage, maybe the Mall.  It was probably a pass-through number in their budget (the City was going to put them somewhere, they decided to put them at the Library, the City gave them extra money for it), but not necessarily.  If it was the Library's decision, then they spent 16K they didn't have to spare on something that isn't getting used, when they could have spent that $16K on materials, better or more accessible computers... things pertinent to their core mission.

I hope for their sake their Director knew what he was doing at budget time.
 
2013-08-26 06:57:39 PM

mephisto_kur: IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.


Maybe early adopters should subsidize their useless crap, rather then wasting public funds that could better be spent on maintaining/creating/improving infrastructure in town that is actually used.

/I thought you're supposed to charge them at home and always have a full tank of gas yadda yadda yadda
 
2013-08-26 06:58:49 PM
I didn't see the dollar return analysis on the library (surely built with public dollars); or the road that leads to the library.  Yet they think they should do the analysis on the charging station.
 
2013-08-26 07:01:04 PM

mephisto_kur: <clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.


That commie car company Tesla is putting them in for free out in California.  And people are letting them get away with it.

The Kum & Go convenience chain has installed electric vehicle charging stations at four stores in the Des Moines area and another in Fairfield. Meanwhile, Hy-Vee has installed units at its Urbandale store, and plans to install others as it builds new stores, including one opening this week in Waukee and another opening Sept. 24 in Ankeny, said spokeswoman Ruth Comer. Hy-Vee also offers electric charging at its Fairfield gas station

See?  This is the communism of which I speak.
 
2013-08-26 07:01:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: True as that is, I'm thinking the Library may not be the place to start. Perhaps City Hall, or a Parking Garage, maybe the Mall


They put them at all the government buildings around here.  Libraries, the capital, city hall, DMV offices, etc.  Lets the city say they're eco-friendly or whatever.  They give tax incentives to businesses and a few got on board (i.e. whole foods), but yeah 30% off $16,000 is still pretty pricey.
 
2013-08-26 07:02:28 PM
About $16,000 was spent to install three ChargePoint units

My luggage cost more than that.
 
2013-08-26 07:12:35 PM

mephisto_kur: <clears throat>
IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.


True.  My office building has had a couple of charging stations in the parking garage for at least 10 years.  For at least 8 of those, I saw them being used maybe once a year, if that.  About a year or two ago, I'd see them being used maybe once a month.  Now, at the times when I go in our out of the garage, I see them being used at least once a week.  (In fact, when I went out of the garage at lunchtime a few hours ago, I notice that there was a new Tesla S plugged into one of them.)  By this time next year, they'll probably be used at least twice as much as they are now, and in 5 years, they'll be in use every day.

The infrastructure has to be in place first before electric vehicles can be a viable option--and this is part of that effort.  I doesn't work the other way.
 
2013-08-26 07:19:43 PM

fluffy2097: mephisto_kur: IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.

Maybe early adopters should subsidize their useless crap, rather then wasting public funds that could better be spent on maintaining/creating/improving infrastructure in town that is actually used.

/I thought you're supposed to charge them at home and always have a full tank of gas yadda yadda yadda


How about you start subsidizing your carbon emissions. Sound fair?

/yes, I know you are an admitted troll.
 
2013-08-26 07:29:55 PM

Hollie Maea: fluffy2097: mephisto_kur: IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.

Maybe early adopters should subsidize their useless crap, rather then wasting public funds that could better be spent on maintaining/creating/improving infrastructure in town that is actually used.

/I thought you're supposed to charge them at home and always have a full tank of gas yadda yadda yadda

How about you start subsidizing your carbon emissions. Sound fair?

/yes, I know you are an admitted troll.


How?  By buying "carbon offsets"?  I'm assuming you're in the carbon offset market?  If so, I've got a lovely set of offsets I'd like to sell you.  Only $10.00 per ton.  Really.  Trust me.
 
2013-08-26 07:40:12 PM
EMERGING TECHNOLOGY IS EMERGING
 
2013-08-26 07:51:02 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: How?


Can't.  That's because conservatives such as Fluffy (or her persona anyway) block it politically.
 
2013-08-26 07:53:01 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: By buying "carbon offsets"?  I'm assuming you're in the carbon offset market?  If so, I've got a lovely set of offsets I'd like to sell you.  Only $10.00 per ton.  Really.  Trust me.


I personally would prefer a carbon tax.  But cap and trade would be tolerable too.  Or hell--a cessation of whining about how much it costs any time the government does any tiny thing to promote decreased emissions would be a damn good start.
 
2013-08-26 08:06:18 PM
Do these charging stations have meters on them? If not, why not?
 
2013-08-26 08:07:28 PM

Hollie Maea: How about you start subsidizing your carbon emissions. Sound fair?


Built into the gas tax. Why don't you start paying for your road maintenance, which is part of the gasoline tax as well?

Hollie Maea: That's because conservatives such as Fluffy (or her persona anyway)


LOL on so many levels.
 
2013-08-26 08:08:28 PM

Hollie Maea: block it politically.


Is someone voting in my name? Because If someone is voting for me, that needs to be addressed.

/Don't vote. It only encourages the motherfarkers
 
2013-08-26 08:36:14 PM

bojon: Do these charging stations have meters on them? If not, why not?


The article says it costs a dollar to use them. It does not say if thats for an hour, or all day if you like.

Anyways. The library, the town, and the state now only has to have 15,987 more EV's park there to break even on their investment.

Oh wait, Power costs money too, and the whole great thing about EV's is YOU CAN CHARGE THEM AT HOME!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 08:42:17 PM

fluffy2097: The library, the town, and the state now only has to have 15,987 more EV's park there to break even on their investment.


I know, right? Not to mention the huge building behind the parking lot. I mean, it's a building filled with books, movies, and music, that just lets people take them out for free! How much revenue is being lost right there? It's ridiculous.
 
2013-08-26 08:56:35 PM

nmrsnr: I know, right? Not to mention the huge building behind the parking lot. I mean, it's a building filled with books, movies, and music, that just lets people take them out for free! How much revenue is being lost right there? It's ridiculous.


A building that could be filled with $16,000 in more books, movies and music for the common good.

Meanwhile, an EV can be charged anywhere you can find a 110v plug, and aren't designed for long trips. Furthermore nobody in their right mind with an EV would ever pay a dollar for a quick juice up during the 10 minutes they stop to return books on their 2 mile drive to their local library, or even if they were spending hours there to study. You can get the power cheaper elsewhere, Probably free from lamp posts in the damn parking lot if Hollie Mae is to believed.
 
2013-08-26 09:06:18 PM

fluffy2097: Meanwhile, an EV can be charged anywhere you can find a 110v plug, and aren't designed for long trips.


Yet.

Furthermore nobody in their right mind with an EV would ever pay a dollar for a quick juice up during the 10 minutes they stop to return books on their 2 mile drive to their local library, or even if they were spending hours there to study. You can get the power cheaper elsewhere, Probably free from lamp posts in the damn parking lot if Hollie Mae is to believed.

Did you miss this part: "A 20-minute charge using the fastest equipment can add 60 to 80 miles of driving range, according to federal officials. The slowest - plugging into a standard wall outlet - adds two to five miles of range per hour."

Plugging in to the charging station for 20 minutes is equal to ~12 hours of charging. I think people might pay for that.
 
2013-08-26 09:09:21 PM
High speed EV charging stations make sense on highways, where long journeys are taken and an EV's range and recharge time at low voltages becomes problematic.

Hotels are also good candidates for charging stations, as people stay the night and want to charge while they sleep.

Nobody drives more then a couple of miles to a library, and you don't spend countless hours there unless you're homeless and masturbating or a kid without a car. Even they don't spend the night.

EV users, by and large, charge at home. "Imagine having a full gas tank every morning when you got out of bed to go to work. You'd never need to charge up on the way to the office or the library or grocery store."
 
2013-08-26 09:24:01 PM
FTFA: Ryan Rhodes, an Iowa tea party leader...described the installation of the electric charging stations at the Franklin Avenue Library as a "very disappointing waste of tax dollars."

Fixed that for everyone.
 
2013-08-26 09:52:42 PM
Is this the thread where we have someone who is philosophically opposed to EVs explain to us what it's like to own one?
 
2013-08-26 10:03:03 PM
The Stonecutters are starting to slip. Next, Steve Guttenberg will start to lose his star power.
 
2013-08-26 10:19:30 PM

fluffy2097: you don't spend countless hours there


But you might spend 20 minutes. Also librarians tend to be better read than the average person. So it makes sense that they might vote to be ahead of the progress curve.

Also, if you know so much about electronic cars and their related infrastructure shut your mouth, open your checkbook, and make a farkin' mint. You could be the next Sheetz or AMPM.
 
2013-08-26 10:34:41 PM
 
2013-08-26 10:37:34 PM
I really thought that electric cars would be bigger now.  I remember when the Volt came out and Tesla was always in the news. I thought we would all be driving EVs before long.   Even here in Austin, a city that considers itself forward thinking, there aren't that many.
 
2013-08-26 10:38:12 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: mephisto_kur: <clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.

Thank you for stating what should be painfully obvious, but sadly isn't.

 
2013-08-26 10:40:38 PM
Hey, let's also discuss the real cost of petroleum, and how much of its cost at the pump is subsidized, hmmm?
 
2013-08-26 10:41:32 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Austin, a city that considers itself forward thinking


Texas is that last place on earth you're going to see petroleum replaced except maybe Saudi Arabia.
 
2013-08-26 10:41:37 PM
How do these work?

Are there standard plugs, standard voltages, amperages for electric cars?  Are they Tesla compatible?  How long does a fill take?
 
2013-08-26 10:42:16 PM
dane101.com
 
2013-08-26 10:44:33 PM

doglover: fluffy2097: you don't spend countless hours there

But you might spend 20 minutes. Also librarians tend to be better read than the average person. So it makes sense that they might vote to be ahead of the progress curve.

Also, if you know so much about electronic cars and their related infrastructure shut your mouth, open your checkbook, and make a farkin' mint. You could be the next Sheetz or AMPM.


I think the fact that $16,000 in equipment have only been used 13 times in 15 month says all we need to about the economics of this particular charging station. It runs in the red.

Hollie Maea: Is this the thread where we have someone who is philosophically opposed to EVs explain to us what it's like to own one?


This is the thread where I point out the blindingly obvious problems with EV infrastructure to people with their own words.

Why does the local library need a $16,000 charger if all these EV's are designed for short ranges, and to be charged at home? Or from one of the many completely free 110v outlets available all over the place.

doglover: Also librarians tend to be better read than the average person. So it makes sense that they might vote to be ahead of the progress curve.


I think a librarian is going to want $16,000 worth of stuff that gets used more then once a month.  Like, books and computers and other library stuff. You know?
 
2013-08-26 10:46:40 PM
"Give them books and give them books and all they do is eat the pages..."
 
2013-08-26 10:48:51 PM

FlashHarry: EMERGING TECHNOLOGY IS EMERGING


OK, innovation is coming out.
 
2013-08-26 10:49:27 PM

mephisto_kur: <clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.


Prove it.

:-D
 
2013-08-26 10:49:53 PM
$16,000 spent to build electric car charging stations at library that were used 13 times in 15 months

And a whole bunch of bridges were built when there was perfectly good ferry boats.
 
2013-08-26 10:51:12 PM

born_yesterday: FlashHarry: EMERGING TECHNOLOGY IS EMERGING

OK, innovation is coming out.


That was good.
 
2013-08-26 10:52:17 PM

fluffy2097: I think the fact that $16,000 in equipment have only been used 13 times in 15 month says all we need to about the economics of this particular charging station. It runs in the red.


As opposed to that mad ROI libraries normally enjoy with their expensive books they loan out for free.
 
2013-08-26 10:54:48 PM
Could it be that they simply picked a poor location? I'm guessing that the number of folks going to the library and staying long enough to charge a vehicle would pretty small. It could be the same person 13 times. I saw one of these at the Cracker Barrel in Mesquite the other day. I have to wonder how much usage it gets.

But yeah, ya gotta start somewhere.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:21 PM
And I still can't access the Helium reserve.... thunder it all.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:32 PM
Electric cars are a waste of time, hydrogen is where it's at.
 
2013-08-26 10:57:07 PM

mephisto_kur: <clears throat>

IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.


How about with 1 charging station at a little over $5,000, and the other $10K goes to running the library.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:01 PM
You know whats INSIDE that library? Books filled with pictures of places that you can actually drive to IF you have a car that runs on gas (or diesel) fuel (or if you have a magical libtard democratic unicorn that runs upon the rainbows springing forth from the gold earned by hard working, tax-paying conservative republicans, libertarians, and tea party'ers).
 
2013-08-26 10:58:16 PM

born_yesterday: FlashHarry: EMERGING TECHNOLOGY IS EMERGING

OK, innovation is coming out.


Nice,
 
2013-08-26 10:58:39 PM
Still waiting for fusion powered vehicles before I get rid of my H1 Hummer.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:44 PM
It's called progress and it happens slowly.

In a classroom of one of my high school history teachers, there was a giant blow up of a photograph taken of my hometown's main street in the early 1900's.  The street was absolutely clogged with big wagons filled with cotton.  But, if you looked really closely you could see one shiny black automobile. Turns out, someone took that picture just to get a shot of the very first car that was owned in town.  Thankfully, the down town had bricked streets so that one could drive an early car on it instead of the dodgy clay paths being used in most of the town.

Think of these few charging stations that are losing money as the bricked streets that will lead to more usage over time.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:50 PM

freak7: Electric cars are a waste of time, hydrogen is where it's at.


This.
 
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