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2013-08-26 05:58:55 PM
I blame beer myself.
 
2013-08-26 06:02:07 PM
Cthulu is fattening up every beast that walks the land for the slaughter.
 
2013-08-26 06:07:25 PM
Obviously everyone and everything is gaining weight due to the increasing force of gravity.  The longer Obama stays in office, the more the earth sucks.  Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-08-26 06:11:57 PM
The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.
 
2013-08-26 06:23:33 PM
Not only is the earth ever expanding but so are our mammals!
 
2013-08-26 06:38:11 PM
Of course not. It's only a picture.
 
2013-08-26 06:40:48 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.


And lack of pirates.
 
2013-08-26 06:57:06 PM
I wonder if there have been any major changes to farming or our food supply in that time.
 
2013-08-26 07:07:11 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.


Wouldn't it also be funny if there is a link to CO2/O2 concentrations and obesity? More O2 would suggest an enviroment with a lot of vegetation around you, and thus plenty of food and less of a need to store fat. More CO2 would mean less vegetation, so a mammal's body will try to store more fat because it perceives itself to be in a food-scarce environment.
 
2013-08-26 07:08:09 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.



I made the mistake of clicking on that as well and as the picture was loading I was hoping it was just a suggestive graphic or some kind of modern art.  Gonna have to call home to the wife and let her know that my penis will be in hiding for at least the next 24 hours.
 
2013-08-26 07:08:50 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.


For feral rats?
 
2013-08-26 07:10:39 PM
I blame Pepsi. At least for my weight. And rotten teeth.
 
2013-08-26 07:11:54 PM
Obviously our alien reptilian overlords are fattening us up for slaughter.
 
2013-08-26 07:18:36 PM

foo monkey: Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.

And lack of pirates.


Well, unlike the pirate comparison, it's easily demonstrable that you don't burn as many calories if you sit around in 70 degrees all day instead of 60-100 degrees like you would outside.

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: For feral rats?


That would have to be something else.  Maybe we're feeding them more crap.
 
2013-08-26 07:20:01 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.


I've always had a feeling air conditioning plays some sort of role in modern obesity, even if it's minor. I couldn't imagine an Alabama summer without it, which is what my parents had to deal with.
 
2013-08-26 07:25:55 PM

Stibium: Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.

Wouldn't it also be funny if there is a link to CO2/O2 concentrations and obesity? More O2 would suggest an enviroment with a lot of vegetation around you, and thus plenty of food and less of a need to store fat. More CO2 would mean less vegetation, so a mammal's body will try to store more fat because it perceives itself to be in a food-scarce environment.


That's actually a pretty cool idea.
 
2013-08-26 07:30:44 PM
Doesn't matter, we should still assume fat is caused by being lazy and eating too much. If we can't mock fat people, there's no safe group to make fun of without repercussion.
 
2013-08-26 07:32:18 PM

FunkOut: Not only is the earth ever expanding but so are our mammals!


Leon's getting LAAAARGERRRRR!
 
2013-08-26 07:34:53 PM

meat0918: Cthulu is fattening up every beast that walks the land for the slaughter.


Don't try blaming your fat ass on me.
 
2013-08-26 07:41:12 PM
I've been using the insulin-metabolism stuff as a diet for a few months now - I eat 2/3 of my food as protein/"good carb" based foods (meats, dairy, most vegetables), and only 1/3 "bad carb" foods (grains, rice, sugar, sugary fruits/vegetables).  With only moderate exercise (about 10-15 minutes of bike riding a day), I've been dropping a steady 1-2 pounds per week.  My wife on the other hand has been doing it for 3 months, with a much higher percentage of good foods, and has dropped 45 pounds since she started.

I don't have to count calories, go hungry, or totally cut out foods I like.
 
2013-08-26 07:45:07 PM

fusillade762: FunkOut: Not only is the earth ever expanding but so are our mammals!

Leon's getting LAAAARGERRRRR!


img43.imageshack.us

That took way too long.  Y'all slipping.

Anyway, it's Nixon's fault.
 
2013-08-26 07:49:53 PM
Personally, I blame apartheid.
 
2013-08-26 07:51:10 PM

js34603: Doesn't matter, we should still assume fat is caused by being lazy and eating too much. If we can't mock fat people, there's no safe group to make fun of without repercussion.


Straight white men under the age of 70.

They're all rapists and pedophiles and stupid and fat and ruin countries and warmongering Republican racists, etc. etc.
 
2013-08-26 07:51:52 PM

Stibium: Wouldn't it also be funny if there is a link to CO2/O2 concentrations and obesity? More O2 would suggest an enviroment with a lot of vegetation around you, and thus plenty of food and less of a need to store fat. More CO2 would mean less vegetation, so a mammal's body will try to store more fat because it perceives itself to be in a food-scarce environment.


It turns out that there is indeed a link between CO2 and obesity.
 
2013-08-26 07:51:59 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the reason people are fat is that they eat more calories than they burn.
 
2013-08-26 08:00:55 PM
I blame dihydrogen monoxide and wind turbine syndrome.
 
2013-08-26 08:02:09 PM

Cobblestone Flag: I've always had a feeling air conditioning plays some sort of role in modern obesity, even if it's minor. I couldn't imagine an Alabama summer without it, which is what my parents had to deal with.


I don't know.  When its hot and humid out I don't want to exercise or work.  I just sit, occasionally wiping the sweat from my face when it runs into my eyes.  I'm much more active when the temperature is cooler.
 
2013-08-26 08:02:13 PM

fang06554: I've been using the insulin-metabolism stuff as a diet for a few months now - I eat 2/3 of my food as protein/"good carb" based foods (meats, dairy, most vegetables), and only 1/3 "bad carb" foods (grains, rice, sugar, sugary fruits/vegetables).  With only moderate exercise (about 10-15 minutes of bike riding a day), I've been dropping a steady 1-2 pounds per week.  My wife on the other hand has been doing it for 3 months, with a much higher percentage of good foods, and has dropped 45 pounds since she started.

I don't have to count calories, go hungry, or totally cut out foods I like.



Aye, I've lost 40 pounds  in about 6 months (I'm down to 192lb)  and I'm 6' tall on the dot.  I eat  as much as I want, but there is no bread, rice or any sweets in my diet right now.  Some cheese here and there, but I usually just eat a protein option (beef /pork/ chicken / fish) with either some salad and/or vegetables.   Sure that might be a little strict for a long term diet, but honestly feeling and looking healthy is worth it.

As for exercise, I just started running just 2 miles, 3 times a week, and I am dabbling about with some very lightweight lifting... like twice a week.

I'm at a point to where my body feels at ease with this lifestyle, and it has gotten easier to maintain it (the lifestyle).

Not sure where I'm going with this... just sharing I guess. One thing I can say for sure is that running and exercising definitely makes it easier, and just makes more sense. Simply dieting won't get you far, not to mention that if your in an office environment, without  exercise you're living a pretty unnatural lifestyle. You have to keep your body in some type of agreeable shape... sittign on your ass and simply not eating won't really give you the results you're  imagining.... you'll end up just as much ut of shape as you are now, but with  less fat on you.  Trust me it's not good enough.


You're better off exercising and eatign whatever you want , instead of not doing anything and starving to death.
 
2013-08-26 08:04:30 PM
Do they take into account the increasing sweetness of fruits?  I imagine lab animals are being fed some level of fruits.  Over the years fruits have been selectively bred to increase sweetness (caused by an increase in the fructose level).  Are monkeys eating different fruits then humans?
 
2013-08-26 08:06:12 PM
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2013-08-26 08:17:43 PM

GWSuperfan: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the reason people are fat is that they eat more calories than they burn.


Didn't read TFA, didja?
 
2013-08-26 08:35:27 PM
In that case, I will go back to frequenting my favorite local wing joint and consuming large quantities of hot wings on a regular basis
www.thewingdome.com
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/lol, just kidding, I never stopped
//I'm not going to let a silly thing like gaining weight keep me from my wings
 
2013-08-26 08:38:05 PM
Dear subby, screw you for linking to the crappy content farm summary, and not to the actual essay, which is linked at the end of the article.

No one bother with the link, just go to http://www.aeonmagazine.com/being-human/david-berreby-obesity-era/ instead.
 
2013-08-26 08:46:54 PM
I like how the essay completely ignores that the fact that we are not eating more calories than 100 years ago, but that we are simply more sedentary. But lots of cool unfounded hypotheses, based on other animals getting larger (not fatter, larger, as there is no reference to increase in BMI for the animal models).
 
2013-08-26 08:48:04 PM
A lot of the techs for labs are pressured to feed rooms quickly without much regard for accuracy which could account for some of the weight gain...  mice feed is generally pretty well regulated or fed ad lib, though.
 
2013-08-26 08:52:49 PM
If you want to delude yourself and tell yourself that it's not your fault, go for it. It's your life. Just don't expect the rest of us to buy your bullshiat. We know how to cut fat, we know what effects it, we have been doing it daily. Whether it's an actor dropping 20 lbs for a role in 8 months, or a fighter cutting weight 2 weeks prior to a fight, to a bodybuilder working on that little extra cut. Metabolism is something you can control.
Don't give me the thyroid bullshiat either. Current numbers say there are only about 300 million legitimate sufferers out of 7 billion people. It is also fairly easily treatable, except for in the most extreme cases. There are a whole lot more fatties than that running around.

I was a skinny pup when I was young. Got a job, made some money, started "takin' it easy" and blimped up. After a few years of that crap got mad at myself, cut the crap, beer, late night snacks, and found the gym and looked good enough to inspire the rest of my family. Now, I got lazy again, started home brewing and grilling more. Now I'm looking at my dad, former fattie no longer, inspired by me and feeling like a slouch.

/ Time to get mad at myself again
// You can lie to us, you know the truth
 
2013-08-26 09:11:08 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.


Up here in Ak we have plenty of weight gain - but no air conditioning. Something about real cold makes you want to eat carbs. You can feel the chemical change in your body.

justGreg: I like how the essay completely ignores that the fact that we are not eating more calories than 100 years ago, but that we are simply more sedentary. But lots of cool unfounded hypotheses, based on other animals getting larger (not fatter, larger, as there is no reference to increase in BMI for the animal models).


Even if BMI wasn't a screwed index (mass increases as a cube of height, but BMI only divides by a square, so there is an inherent  linear error), how would you figure BMI for animals? It is based on height. Would you change that to length? would you stand them up on hind legs? What numbers would you use to determine overweight and obese?
 
2013-08-26 09:25:15 PM

Cobblestone Flag: Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.

I've always had a feeling air conditioning plays some sort of role in modern obesity, even if it's minor. I couldn't imagine an Alabama summer without it, which is what my parents had to deal with.


that would be heaters & AC ... though I'd much rather let my body work to keep itself warm and pump the AC as low as it'll go vs deal with heat.
 
2013-08-26 09:26:00 PM
I got fat from eating too many calories. I stopped eating so many calories and lost weight.
 
2013-08-26 10:02:11 PM
 Allison, who had been hearing about an unexplained rise in the average weight of lab animals, was nonetheless surprised by the consistency across so many species. 'Virtually in every population of animals we looked at, that met our criteria, there was the same upward trend,'

So.....what was that criteria? Lab animals that got fatter.

/Bunk study sounds bunk
 
2013-08-26 10:12:57 PM
Bets on what it is?

Sun?
 
2013-08-26 10:14:27 PM
Oh fark, the author and subby. Anybody who thinks this is a good article should be ashamed of themselves.

His first thing about only dropping 30 calories a day will lead to weight loss is true, but it would take a long farking time to lose that weight. It takes about 3500 calories to lose one pound. So if you reduce your caloric intake by that much, you'll lose 3lbs a year. So in 7 years you'll lose 20+ lbs. I'm in weight watchers for the last 3 months and I've lost over 20lbs. And here's the thing, it wasn't that difficult, it just takes being mindful of what you are eating. Like the biggest sacrifce I've made is instead of getting a bacon/egg/cheese on a roll, I get a bacon/egg on whole wheat bread. That's right, I've lost 20lbs in 3 months and I've eaten bacon 5-days a week.

The first error is he's confusing obesity in humans with lab animals getting larger. The lab animals aren't obese, they are larger. Like how a 6'2", 200lbs guy is larger than a 5'2" 150lbs guy. Here's a few reasons lab animals are getting bigger
1) Selective breeding.
2) Better treatment.
3) Better Nutrition.

Rats eat our food. Even rural rats.

But if you've given up reading the article it boils down to this: We eat more than we should, but it's capitalism's fault.
 
2013-08-26 10:20:15 PM

kroonermanblack: js34603: Doesn't matter, we should still assume fat is caused by being lazy and eating too much. If we can't mock fat people, there's no safe group to make fun of without repercussion.

Straight white men under the age of 70.

They're all rapists and pedophiles and stupid and fat and ruin countries and warmongering Republican racists, etc. etc.


Why only under the age of 70?
 
2013-08-26 10:23:25 PM
It doesn't matter what the subject is, this always happens:

Article: new study finds evidence of X, despite previous presumptions
Top commenter: X isn't true at all, and I'm not to reaffirm those previous assumptions without even attempt to refute the article or address any of its points.

Every time. I mean, it's ok with disagree with the article... if you have some particular points to make about why it's wrong, and so on...
 
2013-08-26 10:25:59 PM

Lsherm: The whole essay is a pretty good read.

I wish they'd follow up with the theory that air conditioning keeps us in a thermal neutral zone all the time, which prevents episodes of increased fat burning.  It would make sense since I imagine obesity rates correlate pretty well to the availability air conditioning.


That's an interesting hypothesis, although I have a better one.

People shoving too much food down their throats makes them fat.  Maybe they should take up smoking or drinking large amounts of coffee.  Both are appetite suppressant, and also neutralize the taste buds, taking away any residual pleasure from eating food.

When eating becomes some chore that you have to do to keep from blacking out, then you'll see fewer fat people.
 
2013-08-26 10:28:47 PM

Shakin_Haitian: I got fat from eating too many calories. I stopped eating so many calories and lost weight.


GWSuperfan: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the reason people are fat is that they eat more calories than they burn.


Yyyyyeah, that'll get you an A on any seventh grade health test out there. But the more interesting question than "does thermodynamics still hold?" is "is there anything affecting the efficiency of the way that the bodies of mammals these days use and store energy?"

If you secretly snuck into my garage at night and started tuning up my car, inflating my tires to proper pressure, updating the onboard fuel-monitoring computer, and so forth, it'd start getting better mileage. If for some reason I filled up my car based on the number of miles driven rather than what the fuel gauge said, eventually the amount that used to be just enough fuel would start spilling out the top of the tank.

Metabolisms vary enormously from person to person, which is another way of saying that energy-efficiency varies from person to person. It's really not so hard to believe that the fuel-efficiency in bodies in general might be affected by one or more environmental factors. Bodies are a hell of a lot more complicated in their chemistry than a gasoline engine is.
 
2013-08-26 10:39:05 PM

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Something to balance out a day of playing in the surf.
 
2013-08-26 10:40:56 PM

semiotix: Yyyyyeah, that'll get you an A on any seventh grade health test out there. But the more interesting question than "does thermodynamics still hold?" is "is there anything affecting the efficiency of the way that the bodies of mammals these days use and store energy?"

Metabolisms vary enormously from person to person, which is another way of saying that energy-efficiency varies from person to person. It's really not so hard to believe that the fuel-efficiency in bodies in general might be affected by one or more environmental factors. Bodies are a hell of a lot more complicated in their chemistry than a gasoline engine is.


That is all true, and something interesting to examine and investigate.  But it still boils down to "when X happens, you don't need as much caloric intake", the flip side of which is "when X happens, and you maintain your current eating habits, you will gain weight."

Or, more simply put, eating more than you need...
 
2013-08-26 10:44:51 PM

jonny_q: It doesn't matter what the subject is, this always happens:

Article: new study finds evidence of X, despite previous presumptions
Top commenter: X isn't true at all, and I'm not to reaffirm those previous assumptions without even attempt to refute the article or address any of its points.

Every time. I mean, it's ok with disagree with the article... if you have some particular points to make about why it's wrong, and so on...


I had made several points, you have failed to address them.
 
2013-08-26 11:01:41 PM

Mister Peejay: semiotix: Yyyyyeah, that'll get you an A on any seventh grade health test out there. But the more interesting question than "does thermodynamics still hold?" is "is there anything affecting the efficiency of the way that the bodies of mammals these days use and store energy?"

Metabolisms vary enormously from person to person, which is another way of saying that energy-efficiency varies from person to person. It's really not so hard to believe that the fuel-efficiency in bodies in general might be affected by one or more environmental factors. Bodies are a hell of a lot more complicated in their chemistry than a gasoline engine is.

That is all true, and something interesting to examine and investigate.  But it still boils down to "when X happens, you don't need as much caloric intake", the flip side of which is "when X happens, and you maintain your current eating habits, you will gain weight."

Or, more simply put, eating more than you need...


The interesting thing is that there seem to be many more "event X" than had previously been thought...and this is just on the demand side of the equation.  When you factor in things like cost, flavor, ease of food prep, and other cultural things it can move the dials on metabolism all over the place.

And the article doesn't even address things like birth control pills or psych medications, many of which are mess with appetite and metabolic patterns quite a bit. (and may explain the higher rates of obesity in women than men, aside from straight up gender differences when nobody is on meds.)

/I personally agree with the heating/AC hypothesis as a big contributing factor.  72°F is just perfect for stuffing your face.
 
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