meat0918: We have to face the facts. As automation creeps into more and more facets of life, we need to figure out what people will do.
Mugato: There's a middle class?
sparkeyjames: Wasn't it just a few years ago that a computer controlled vehicle could barely navigate a contest obstacle course?/cannot remember what contest it was.//there were several entries.///I think only 1 managed to finish and that well outside the time limit.
Esroc: Eventually we're going to have to stop and admit that not every soul in a society has to work to keep the society running. If people didn't have such a stick up their asses about every man, woman, and child justifying their right to live via mindless meaningless tasks we'd all be better off.Automation is a blessing. Let it do its thing so people can go enjoy the short time they have on this Earth.
bingethinker: Esroc: Eventually we're going to have to stop and admit that not every soul in a society has to work to keep the society running. If people didn't have such a stick up their asses about every man, woman, and child justifying their right to live via mindless meaningless tasks we'd all be better off.Automation is a blessing. Let it do its thing so people can go enjoy the short time they have on this Earth.Back in the 60s, they thought we'd all have 20 hour work weeks, but still get paid just as much. The corporations said, "Hell no! We'll get one guy to do the work of two, and pay him 25% less, because now "the computer does all the work," and if he doesn't like it, there's thousands of out-of-work people who can take his job!"
meat0918: Those are middle class jobs?We have to face the facts. As automation creeps into more and more facets of life, we need to figure out what people will do.If the automated burger line ever gets cheaper than hiring someone for minimum wage, that's going to hurt a lot of people.
Fear the Clam: Regardless of what you do, if the only reason you still have a job is because you're cheaper than the computer/robot that could replace you, you should start figuring out something else to do because it's just a matter of time.
Esroc: Eventually we're going to have to stop and admit that not every soul in a society has to work to keep the society running.
Quantum Apostrophe: meat0918: We have to face the facts. As automation creeps into more and more facets of life, we need to figure out what people will do.As soon as we figure out how to automate lawyers, accountants and CEOs. Until then, just deal with it. The much vaunted "productivity" you supposedly get from technology somehow never ends up in your hands.
GilRuiz1: Neither Slashdot nor NYTimes articles explained in any way how self-driving cars were going to destroy the middle class. Taxi drivers and delivery drivers, sure, but how the middle class was going to be destroyed by robocars wasn't covered.[400x400 from http://i43.tinypic.com/30k4uxc.jpg image 400x400]
Alexei Novikov: Automation is not the problem. Unrealistic expectations and slave labor conditions created by employers aren't the problem. A failing education system isn't the problem.The real problem is overpopulation. Our societal framework has changed. At the same time that our world no longer needs drooling masses of unskilled workers, circumstances are creating drooling masses of unskilled workers.There's a pretty simple solution to this problem. It's called population control. STOP BREEDING. It's that simple. We don't have to euthanize anyone, we don't have to make questionable decisions about who gets to live and who has to die, we just need real sex ed, visible and affordable (or free) sterilization options, and more advocacy and less stigmatization of adoption and fostering.
Fooby: Unfortunately in rural America, as farming jobs become more automated, and regular people move to cities to try to find a way to make a living, we have a quiet scourge moving in that reproduces like rabbits and gobbles up all available land.They are... the Amish.They depress the local economy by dealing mainly only amongst themselves, and make it harder for regular Americans to get modern services that are available in metro areas, like cellphone coverage and high speed Internet.Good luck getting the Amish to control their population numbers. They are willfully ignorant of the environmental and societal issues facing the rest of us, and only educate themselves up to about an 8th grade level, and even then only in the most basic skills of reading, writing, and math.When it comes to their impact on the environment, the "old fashioned horse 'n buggy" image you see on the road is mostly a sham. At home they use high-polluting small gas engines and kerosine/gas mantle lighting, to do the same jobs that the rest of us are doing with more efficient centralized power.Rural areas of America are eventually going to become a sea of exploding populations of Amish, as they continue to pop out babies at a rate of 5-10 per family, and there is eventually no available land for their children to take over and "homestead".
poot_rootbeer: Esroc: Eventually we're going to have to stop and admit that not every soul in a society has to work to keep the society running.Or better yet, society can run just fine if every person puts in just 20-30 hours of work per week, leaving more leisure time for family, self-betterment, or artistic pursuits.Not likely to happen, though, because it would necessarily mean a reduction in income (or at least purchasing power) to the people who are working 60+ hours per week.
Heron: But most of those types of jobs that actually do any work are under-paid already. There are plenty of management jobs that justify their pay by claiming similar hours, but the vast majority of "management" work is unnecessary bs, particularly in the office work environment.
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