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2013-08-26 03:30:30 PM  
What is not "undeniable" is who the fark actually used the WMD.
Since the rule of thumb is follow the cash, I'll go with the best funded, perennial fave, CIA.

begin
 
2013-08-26 03:31:16 PM  
Okay, so let's see it then.
 
2013-08-26 03:33:12 PM  
Nobel Peace prizes don't earn themselves
 
2013-08-26 03:39:18 PM  
As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.
 
2013-08-26 03:41:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.


The Iraq where we are greeted as liberators?  Sign me up!
 
2013-08-26 03:42:31 PM  
Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!
 
2013-08-26 03:43:26 PM  
Milton Berle?
 
2013-08-26 03:47:34 PM  

oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!


Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?
 
2013-08-26 03:50:06 PM  

johnryan51: Milton Berle?


WC Fields, natch
 
2013-08-26 03:53:08 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Shock and Awe.

Followed by years of "WTF do we do now?" if past is precedent.
 
2013-08-26 03:56:04 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.
 
2013-08-26 03:56:34 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


We de-clutter some military warehouses? We could use freecycle, but who knows whose hands stuff would end up in then.
 
2013-08-26 04:03:02 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.


Pretty much exactly what happened in Libya.
 
2013-08-26 04:03:14 PM  

www.popularresistance.org

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

 
2013-08-26 04:05:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

Pretty much exactly what happened in Libya.


I'd say we handled Libya about as well as we could have.
 
2013-08-26 04:15:17 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.


Air and missile, boots on the ground, drones, whatever. Anything we do militarily will probably ultimately kill, injure, and make refugees out of many multiples of the number of people Syria can do within itself. Cui bono?

/farking Gottschalks
 
2013-08-26 04:15:46 PM  
dammit

Just ... dammit.
 
2013-08-26 04:17:15 PM  
War should be a last result. It should be painful. It should require sacrifice. It should make you never want to fight one again and avoid it at all costs.

For these reasons, we'll simply use drones and hand out tax cuts. Cause that's America Post 9/11. Or, America Mark 2.
 
2013-08-26 04:24:35 PM  
I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.
 
2013-08-26 04:26:03 PM  
It doesn't concern us
 
2013-08-26 04:31:13 PM  

basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.


The videos showed a whole bunch of dead people.
 
2013-08-26 04:31:21 PM  
Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!
 
2013-08-26 04:41:03 PM  
The world should just get it over with...gas that entire section of the globe, killing just about everyone. We can then have a global pity-party, stating it really sucked having to do it but it was necessary.
 
2013-08-26 04:46:22 PM  

make me some tea: basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

The videos showed a whole bunch of dead people.


Still want to know what kind of gas.
 
2013-08-26 04:49:55 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Battle of Tours


I like it!
 
2013-08-26 04:51:42 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Libya
 
2013-08-26 04:52:57 PM  

basemetal: make me some tea: basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

The videos showed a whole bunch of dead people.

Still want to know what kind of gas.


We'd have a better idea if Syria didn't open fire on the UN Inspectors.

/Well past time for the "Peacekeepers" to make their mark
 
2013-08-26 04:53:40 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!


You forgot Benghazi, Benghazi, and Poland.
 
2013-08-26 04:53:45 PM  

snocone: What is not "undeniable" is who the fark actually used the WMD.
Since the rule of thumb is follow the cash, I'll go with the best funded, perennial fave, CIA.

begin


I don't know.  The last time we went through this it was Tenet lying to Powell so he'd get in front of people to say it.  So historically, while the CIA was the spark of the popular support (fear) for the Iraq war, they're perfectly content to just lie about it.
 
2013-08-26 04:54:20 PM  
It aint no easy thing being the World's Police Officer.
 
2013-08-26 04:54:43 PM  
Wasn't there a chemical weapons attack in Syria earlier this year or last year that was claimed to have been conducted by Assad right off the bat only to have an actual investigation a few months later show the rebels conducted the attack?
 
2013-08-26 04:54:48 PM  

cman: It doesn't concern us


yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.
 
2013-08-26 04:55:34 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!


And Ben Affleck.  You always forget him.
 
2013-08-26 04:55:38 PM  
And if it turns out that the rebels also used them...?
 
2013-08-26 04:56:15 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.


What if Assad wins anyway in that scenario?

Then it just sound like prolonging the war for nothing gained (assuming you hope Assad looses).
 
2013-08-26 04:56:37 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!


Taxbongo?  I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.
 
2013-08-26 04:56:44 PM  
So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!
 
2013-08-26 04:56:56 PM  
war is good for business

how many people do we need to kill so we can all be wealthy?
 
2013-08-26 04:56:58 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-08-26 04:57:13 PM  
Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Remember the last time we went to war over WMDs in the mid-east?

AIPAC pays good money to keep your leaders on the string, it would be unfair were they to not earn that money by blowing a few thousand Syrian children into dust. They're just Arab animals, after all.
 
2013-08-26 04:57:16 PM  
US wars are started with false flags and this will be the next one. This will keep people employed in America and is good for the military industrial complex.
 
2013-08-26 04:57:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Mike_LowELL: Battle of Tours

I like it!


I dunno. I remember he used to have good insight on video game stuff. Then some time ago he turned into this. It kind of ruined any attempts at trolling he does for me, knowing he was once a legitimate poster. He should have created an alt.
 
2013-08-26 04:57:55 PM  
www.hollywoodreporter.com

Let's just make sure that this douchebag didn't edit the interviews first.
 
2013-08-26 04:57:59 PM  
Sure, subby, Saddam gassed people with chemicals supplied by Ronny Raygun.  W used this, amongst other opaque shiat thrown at the wall, minus the Raygun part, to attack Iraq 15 years later.

Kinda different from drawing a line, and then acting when that line is crossed.
 
2013-08-26 04:58:15 PM  
Here you go, folks. The Smoking Gun Might Be a Mushroom Cloud.

Put your savings in Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and General Dynamics. They're fixing to get their once every 2 to 4 year bailout from the government.
 
2013-08-26 04:58:29 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: And if it turns out that the rebels also used them...?


The UN (backed by the US), should be enforcing a mandatory ceasefire on both sides, and killing any who don't comply.
 
2013-08-26 04:58:39 PM  
ffftttwwwwwwwWWWWWWWW

HITLER!

/right?
 
2013-08-26 04:59:09 PM  

Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Remember the last time we went to war over WMDs in the mid-east?

AIPAC pays good money to keep your leaders on the string, it would be unfair were they to not earn that money by blowing a few thousand Syrian children into dust. They're just Arab animals, after all.



8/10

This will get a few bites
 
2013-08-26 04:59:26 PM  

darth_badger: US wars are started with false flags and this will be the next one. This will keep people employed in America and is good for the military industrial complex.


The only hope I have is that the stock market tanked immediately after Kerry's speech.   The American people don't have anymore appetitite for another interventionist war in the Middle East.   The little flags and the yellow ribbon car magnets have lost their charm.
 
2013-08-26 04:59:55 PM  

ManateeGag: yeah it does. didn't you know, we have to the world's police force. any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene. God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.


Tell that to every case where the goddamn UN put the brunt of military action on the US.

The US is like that big, dumb kid everyone looks down on because he's "violent" until some other, smaller country or group needs him to come along and handle a problem. Neat thing is, foreign regimes can point us at someone else, plant plenty of evidence, and watch while we rush headlong towards leveling the fark out of them, all the while tacitly denouncing what we've done.

On the list of places that deserve our help, Syria's pretty goddamn far down the list, behind places like Columbia and Mexico, which we actually had a pretty big hand in screwing up, what with the drug war and all, and are thus much higher on the list of places that should get some intervention attention.
 
2013-08-26 05:00:11 PM  

Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?


Doctors W/o Borders tends to be a pretty trusted source.
 
2013-08-26 05:00:20 PM  

Mad_Radhu: [565x318 from http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbn ail_570x321/2013/08/newsroom_genoa_-_h_-_2013.jpg image 565x318]

Let's just make sure that this douchebag didn't edit the interviews first.


Am I alone in having called the reason for the basketball game being in the background when it originally came up? I was thinking, "This dumbass is going to try to edit this later and get farked with the built in timestamp."
 
2013-08-26 05:00:51 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.


We need to figure out how to rebuild Detroit and Baltimore.
 
2013-08-26 05:00:52 PM  
During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...
 
2013-08-26 05:01:05 PM  

MNguy: Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Doctors W/o Borders tends to be a pretty trusted source.


And they said they didn't know.
 
2013-08-26 05:01:31 PM  

DoomPaul: Wasn't there a chemical weapons attack in Syria earlier this year or last year that was claimed to have been conducted by Assad right off the bat only to have an actual investigation a few months later show the rebels conducted the attack?


I'm betting on the rebels/Al Quida as well.

Assad is farking clever. He has a medical degree, and is a specialist in eye surgery.

Clever people can of course be psychos, but psychos usually have a strong sense of selfpreservation. Launching a gas attack the same day the UN inspectors arrive seems out of character for such a person.
 
2013-08-26 05:01:55 PM  

Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...


You sound dumb.
 
2013-08-26 05:02:04 PM  

Fusilier: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

We need to figure out how to rebuild Detroit and Baltimore.


Tear it down and start anew
 
2013-08-26 05:02:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours

Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!


*snort*

Don't forget last night's Miley Cyrus performance
 
2013-08-26 05:02:34 PM  
Oh boy, forgot this was on the main page with all the insane people. Abandoning ship immediately.
 
2013-08-26 05:02:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.


Depends.  Turkey has a HUGE army and they do NOT want this clusterfark on their border.  If this happens as an UN operation I imagine they'd take a big interest in seeing it run right.

Start with air strikes, then have Turkish army go in while the Foreign Legion airdrops into the Damascus airport.
 
2013-08-26 05:03:15 PM  

InmanRoshi: Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...

You sound dumb.


You sound uninformed...dispute any of my points...
 
2013-08-26 05:03:55 PM  
Unlike Libya, Syria has a metric assload of antiaircraft weapons, the best the Russians sell. This is going to be a tomahawk missile fest of the first order. I wouldn't bet on too many boots on the ground, Putin has decided to dig his heels in on Syria, and we all remember the fun we had with our proxy wars.
 
2013-08-26 05:04:55 PM  
Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?
 
2013-08-26 05:05:01 PM  
Russian warships have left their docks and are in the Med. Bombing will start soon.
 
2013-08-26 05:05:50 PM  
Not just no, but fark no.
 
2013-08-26 05:06:17 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.


Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?
 
2013-08-26 05:06:25 PM  

ManRay: It aint no easy thing being the World's Police Officer.


The LEAST the world could do is get us decent donuts, but no...we even have to make those ourselves.

/actually, Tim Horton's aren't bad
 
2013-08-26 05:06:34 PM  

spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

What if Assad wins anyway in that scenario?

Then it just sound like prolonging the war for nothing gained (assuming you hope Assad looses).


If Assad wins then he'll be king of a pile of rubble, so at least he won't pose a concern to Israel or our other allies in the area.
 
2013-08-26 05:06:50 PM  

GleeUnit: Don't forget last night's Miley Cyrus performance


GleeUnit: Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of ToursTwerk
Syria


There you go.
 
2013-08-26 05:06:51 PM  

karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?


This is the thread in which conservatives and liberals of all sort band together for the greater good
 
2013-08-26 05:06:54 PM  
We should delay getting involved for as long as possible. The more of them that kill each other the better.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:18 PM  

SilentStrider: Not just no, but fark no.


Yeah, I don't want any part of this business, either. It's awful, to be sure, but no matter who wins, we (the US) lose.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [450x338 from http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/8/83/fark_83cOR0czc4uX2FLjpWW4_8b 507E.gif?t=tiCMtmROAF-iNZzDbTo1Bw&f=1378094400 image 450x338]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5fKFFqJe4
 
2013-08-26 05:07:21 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Taxbongo? I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.


Welcome to fark!
 
2013-08-26 05:07:27 PM  
It's in our national interest to keep the...Damascus steel supply safe. And all of those other vital things Syria provides.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Depends.  Turkey has a HUGE army and they do NOT want this clusterfark on their border.  If this happens as an UN operation I imagine they'd take a big interest in seeing it run right.

Start with air strikes, then have Turkish army go in while the Foreign Legion airdrops into the Damascus airport.


Not gonna happen without NATO, the Russians have the Turks by the balls, Link
 
2013-08-26 05:07:50 PM  
Question: As Americans, why do we care?

/Isolationist
//Git off'n muh lawn.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:01 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


If so, we have boots on the ground in some 50 countries
 
2013-08-26 05:08:26 PM  

snocone: What is not "undeniable" is who the fark actually used the WMD.
Since the rule of thumb is follow the cash, I'll go with the best funded, perennial fave, CIA.

begin


I'm gonna say they outsourced it to Al-Qaeda.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:31 PM  
"Using chemical weapons against innocent civilians is unacceptable. No regime can be allowed to do so with impunity," said. Rep. Buck McKeo


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_pro v e_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran

Well, except for when we dislike the person you're gassing more than we dislike you.  Then it's just fine.  We'll even give you maps of where they are.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:33 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


Yeah...odds are we had assets in country for weeks already.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:40 PM  

Giltric: We should delay getting involved for as long as possible. The more of them that kill each other the better.


Just like Rwanda.
 
2013-08-26 05:09:21 PM  

WTF Indeed: Russian warships have left their docks and are in the Med. Bombing will start soon.


So, you're saying this thing will get out of control?
 
2013-08-26 05:09:27 PM  

ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.


I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.
 
2013-08-26 05:10:03 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Dead brown people aka keeping up with our previous stellar foreign policy
 
2013-08-26 05:10:20 PM  

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: Unlike Libya, Syria has a metric assload of antiaircraft weapons, the best the Russians sell. This is going to be a tomahawk missile fest of the first order. I wouldn't bet on too many boots on the ground, Putin has decided to dig his heels in on Syria, and we all remember the fun we had with our proxy wars.


Yeah, too bad we didn't hold on to those F-117As. Those might have been useful in disassembling that air defense network. Of course, you can probably just fly in some Predators low to the ground and take out the missile and gun emplacements just as easily these days. They may not be quite as stealthy, but I'm guessing you can always Zerg rush the air defenses until you knock some big holes in the perimeter for about the same cost as an F-35.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:23 PM  
This is what I'm talking about.  I list a series of random, unrelated incidents and attempt to pin them on the worst president in the history of this country, and people call me a troll.  I didn't know that attempting to arouse emotion on an internet message board for my own amusement was trolling these days.

Thats_Not_My_Baby: I dunno. I remember he used to have good insight on video game stuff. Then some time ago he turned into this. It kind of ruined any attempts at trolling he does for me, knowing he was once a legitimate poster. He should have created an alt.


Alts are for casuals.  The skill is in being able to seamlessly switch from one posting style to another without arousing suspicion.

GleeUnit: Don't forget last night's Miley Cyrus performance


Implying the performance was merely a "disaster" and not a billion-dollar CIA project designed to distract Americans from the important issues, like Benghazi.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:24 PM  

PunGent: So, you're saying this thing will get out of control?


No. You don't keep ships stationary in at dock in a city that has a good chance of getting bombed in the coming hours.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:34 PM  

Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.


FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?
 
2013-08-26 05:12:24 PM  

Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Remember the last time we went to war over WMDs in the mid-east?

AIPAC pays good money to keep your leaders on the string, it would be unfair were they to not earn that money by blowing a few thousand Syrian children into dust. They're just Arab animals, after all.


In fairness, the last time, we had the receipts.
 
2013-08-26 05:13:55 PM  
Want to fix Syria, Rwanda, Mali, etc?

Close the West to immigration...how can the undeveloped world find it's patriots if everyone that want liberty and justice flees their homelands for 'the better life in the West'?

If everyone that wants freedom and opportunity flees to the US and Europe, then every country that doesn't have a strong culture and effective national institutions will simply become Syria or Rwanda.

Like Afghanistan...and letting that little teapot steep worked out well, did it not?
 
2013-08-26 05:14:08 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


I seem to recall a story revealing CIA "trainers" working with the rebels coming out 6 months to a year ago, but that could be my brain making crap up. Too lazy to check the intertubes :p
 
2013-08-26 05:14:13 PM  
Holy crap! Kerry is Hitler, I KNEW it!
 
2013-08-26 05:14:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

What if Assad wins anyway in that scenario?

Then it just sound like prolonging the war for nothing gained (assuming you hope Assad looses).

If Assad wins then he'll be king of a pile of rubble, so at least he won't pose a concern to Israel or our other allies in the area.


Hopefully decision makers in NATO doesn't see it the same way you do.

But who knows, they did the Iraq thing... :(
 
2013-08-26 05:14:49 PM  
What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?
 
2013-08-26 05:14:56 PM  
www.filmweb.no
What this war needs is Ernst Stavro Blofeld, a diamond coated satellite WMD and Jill St. John.  I, of course, am Bond.  James Bond.
 
2013-08-26 05:15:14 PM  

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


Blow up everyone mentioned above?
 
2013-08-26 05:15:20 PM  

cman: FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?


Dog whistles.
 
2013-08-26 05:15:30 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


In an ideal world I'd love to see us handle most of our forceful foreign negotiations that way.  Have CIA teams keep track of what's going on, and if they see a problem developing, allow them to nip it in the bud before it grows big enough to make the news or require military intervention.

Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.


The way Morsi was going he wouldn't made Mubarek look like Mother Theresa.  The Egyptian Military stepped in to fix the problem before it got out of hand, and once they've handled the Muslim Brotherhood situation hopefully they step down and allow for democratic elections.

Israel is our strongest ally in the region, and we need to consider their needs in our operations over there.
 
2013-08-26 05:16:04 PM  

karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?


Nope. This is the thread where the Fark regulars rationalize it this time around because, you know, Obama.
 
2013-08-26 05:16:37 PM  
Soon, the water off Syria will turn white as USS Ohio spews forth 154 Tomahawks in a stunning display of American ability to shiat away money on something that really doesn't threaten America directly.


LET them die...
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-26 05:16:46 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!

Taxbongo?  I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.


I would have to agree.  resorting to argumentum ad hominem discredits your position
 
2013-08-26 05:17:01 PM  

cman: Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.

FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?


Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship. Pointing out that Israel has clear interests in the Syrian conflict, which it has expressed publicly, and that it has been involved in propping up the rebels from nearly the beginning is not a conspiracy theory. It's basic farking literacy.
 
2013-08-26 05:17:12 PM  

InmanRoshi: darth_badger: US wars are started with false flags and this will be the next one. This will keep people employed in America and is good for the military industrial complex.

The only hope I have is that the stock market tanked immediately after Kerry's speech.   The American people don't have anymore appetitite for another interventionist war in the Middle East.   The little flags and the yellow ribbon car magnets have lost their charm.


That will not happen. The rich are sure to move money to make money.  American Idol and the NFL will stop most people from being terrified.
 
2013-08-26 05:17:23 PM  
War never changes.
 
2013-08-26 05:17:36 PM  

ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.


underscoopfire.com

"Wherever there's injustice, we'll be there!" Better send these guys in

/hot like El Guapo
 
2013-08-26 05:17:48 PM  

Heron: cman: Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.

FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?

Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a centuries-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship. Pointing out that Israel has clear interests in the Syrian conflict, which it has expressed publicly, and that it has been involved in propping up the rebels from nearly the beginning is not a conspiracy theory. It's basic farking lit ...


ftfm
 
2013-08-26 05:17:50 PM  
Muadhamiya, here we go again
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-26 05:18:06 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?


Hot cocoa sampler boxes for everyone!
 
2013-08-26 05:18:19 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Battle of Tours


The battle where the French Christians were victorious over the Muslim invaders? Or was Fartbongo responsible for the Umayyad loss?
 
2013-08-26 05:19:45 PM  
"Using chemical weapons against innocent civilians is unacceptable. No regime can be allowed to do so with impunity," said. Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

Says the Congressman who took more in contributions from the defense industry than anyone else, last year.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2012&ind=D
 
2013-08-26 05:19:58 PM  

basemetal: make me some tea: basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

The videos showed a whole bunch of dead people.

Still want to know what kind of gas.


I've seen 'sarin' named in articles about this.  I don't know if there's any reality to that, if it's disinformation, propaganda, or the equivalent to 'pit bull' / 'AK-47'.  But that's what I've seen named.
 
2013-08-26 05:20:28 PM  

Cup Check: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

[300x140 from http://underscoopfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Three-Amigos.png image 300x140]

"Wherever there's injustice, we'll be there!" Better send these guys in

/hot like El Guapo

ts1.mm.bing.net


'Would you say I have a plethora of WMD's?'
 
2013-08-26 05:20:48 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?


We will either try to make the people follow our method of democracy or put another nutcase in power who we will defend to the death if he's caught incinerating children for laughs. Only to kill him 20 years later when things go way south.
 
2013-08-26 05:20:52 PM  
Obama and biden are just trying to make some money for themselves and their buddies in big oil
 
2013-08-26 05:21:31 PM  

Heron: cman: Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.

FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?

Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship. Pointing out that Israel has clear interests in the Syrian conflict, which it has expressed publicly, and that it has been involved in propping up the rebels from nearly the beginning is not a conspiracy theory. It's basic farking lit ...


Israel is surrounded by people who want to see the country demolished and every Jewish citizen killed.  They're flanked by nations that they embarrassed in a war back in the '60s and who still can't concede that Israel has a right to the territories it seized as spoils of that war.
 
2013-08-26 05:21:35 PM  

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


Billion Dollar pallets of cash (that can just vanish) seemed to be a motivating factor in Iraq.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:01 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Bidness for the Bidness God.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:07 PM  

Phineas: Obama and biden are just trying to make some money for themselves and their buddies in big oil


>golf cap<
 
2013-08-26 05:22:15 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Battle of Tours


awesome.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:51 PM  

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue
 
2013-08-26 05:24:20 PM  

21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue


ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-08-26 05:24:21 PM  

flynn80: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Billion Dollar pallets of cash (that can just vanish) seemed to be a motivating factor in Iraq.


You should check politifact.....
 
2013-08-26 05:24:46 PM  
We need to start a new war because the peaceniks and civil libertarians who believe we don't need a total military police state are feeling like they should have their way. Time to show them who's in charge.
 
2013-08-26 05:24:52 PM  
Hot cocoa sampler boxes for everyone!

Not so fast there, Lt. Gotta check the list to see if those are Halal:


http://turntoislam.com/community/threads/what-chocolates-are-halal.61 1 37/">http://turntoislam.com/community/threads/what-chocolates-are-hal al.611 37/


/really, I am just fed the hell up with these people.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:02 PM  
btw, i love that 1,300 years later, the neutrality is disputed on the battle of tours wiki page.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:18 PM  

21-7-b: Iran is supporting Assad.


Your point?
 
2013-08-26 05:25:36 PM  

darth_badger: InmanRoshi: darth_badger: US wars are started with false flags and this will be the next one. This will keep people employed in America and is good for the military industrial complex.

The only hope I have is that the stock market tanked immediately after Kerry's speech.   The American people don't have anymore appetitite for another interventionist war in the Middle East.   The little flags and the yellow ribbon car magnets have lost their charm.

That will not happen. The rich are sure to move money to make money.  American Idol and the NFL will stop most people from being terrified.


Don't forget comic book movies and "geek culture" to keep middle aged men in perpetual suspended adolescence so that they're easier to control.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:38 PM  

Fusilier: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

We need to figure out how to rebuild Detroit and Baltimore.


Well, Detroit's easy -- just blame it on Dearborn and start airdropping the pallets of Benjamins.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:56 PM  
Sliding Carp:Still want to know what kind of gas.

I've seen 'sarin' named in articles about this.  I don't know if there's any reality to that, if it's disinformation, propaganda, or the equivalent to 'pit bull' / 'AK-47'.  But that's what I've seen named.


That stuff's nasty. You just slowly suffocate.
www.babyassface.com
 
2013-08-26 05:26:13 PM  

FlashHarry: btw, i love that 1,300 years later, the neutrality is disputed on the battle of tours wiki page.


Guessing we're not settling this soon....
 
2013-08-26 05:26:40 PM  

GoldSpider: 21-7-b: Iran is supporting Assad.

Your point?


Can you read?
 
2013-08-26 05:26:43 PM  

21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.


The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: our forceful foreign negotiations that way.


In this world, in this day and age, it's hilarious that you self identify with these entities. They look at you just like they look at every foreign government and peon in the world.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:49 PM  
Heron:
Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship.

The latter half did fark-all to save them in the centuries upon centuries that they've been treated as walking abominations by most of the Western world.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:50 PM  

basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.


They got pictures of dead bodies lined up in rows. Mostly women and kids.

I still don't think we need to get involved. Team America World Police was supposed to be just a movie, not a concept.
 
2013-08-26 05:29:20 PM  
Heron:
Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship.

But that's the whole game now, one that everyone from Wolf Blitzer to Jon Stewart are playing - pretending that Judaism is monolithic; that Benji Netanyahu speaks for all Jews. It's bullshiat, of course, but it has a long history of working. At least until it doesn't work any more and peoples go on a rampage against all Jews. It's only happened about 200 times in history.

If you're a Jew who is against warmongering every one of Israel's neighbors into pure chaos, bombing wells in Lebanon or allowing non-Jews the vote; you're not an anti-semite, you're a self-loather, a kapo.
 
2013-08-26 05:30:06 PM  
Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....
 
2013-08-26 05:30:46 PM  
It would be such a breath of fresh air to stay out of this one, but I know we can't do that now can we.
 
2013-08-26 05:30:58 PM  

Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.


The problem is identifying "they". Who exactly is our enemy? Can we eliminate them or will more pop up? It is one thing when your opposition is all wearing red uniforms and the conditions for winning is to simply kill those wearing red uniforms. It is another thing when people just keep putting on red uniforms no matter how many you kill.
 
2013-08-26 05:31:28 PM  

Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does. didn't you know, we have to the world's police force. any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene. God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.


According to Michael Rivero's Show today Isreal gave Gas and oil rights in the Golan heights to a company that Cheney holds stock in.
 
2013-08-26 05:33:07 PM  
You guessed it-

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-26 05:33:45 PM  

Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.


I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters
 
2013-08-26 05:34:19 PM  
maybe having WMDs is cause for war
definitely having them, not so much
too bad libs
 
2013-08-26 05:34:27 PM  

flynn80: According to Michael Rivero's Show


Holy crap! He's still around?
 
2013-08-26 05:34:40 PM  

21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue


Yes, a lot of us do understand that for the neo-cons, Syria has always been about a "back door into Iran". That still doesn't explain why it's a good idea for the US to get involved.
 
2013-08-26 05:35:18 PM  

21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters


Show me how to effectively target and isolate our opposition. THAT is the problem.
 
2013-08-26 05:35:21 PM  

Darkrover2: Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....


We need a way to do mass-sterilization from the air. No killing. Put countries/tribes/regions on notice to get their houses in order or else. They don't, then they can live out their lives watching themselves fade.
 
2013-08-26 05:35:40 PM  

Darkrover2: Cup Check: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

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"Wherever there's injustice, we'll be there!" Better send these guys in

/hot like El Guapo

'Would you say I have a plethora of WMD's?'


dancingczars.files.wordpress.com

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
 
2013-08-26 05:36:29 PM  
So we know they gassed their own people.

How will the public react when we invade to end WMD's and don't find any?
 
2013-08-26 05:37:03 PM  

21-7-b: Can you read?


Allow me to explore your train of logic:

1.  Iran supports the Assad regime.
2.  Therefore we should bomb Syria.
 
2013-08-26 05:37:46 PM  

Darkrover2: So we know they gassed their own people.

How will the public react when we invade to end WMD's and don't find any?


I ask again, how in the fark do we know that?

Because Zionist media and leaders who pick up millions in AIPAC money said so?
 
2013-08-26 05:38:06 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-26 05:38:07 PM  

cc_rider: 21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue

Yes, a lot of us do understand that for the neo-cons, Syria has always been about a "back door into Iran". That still doesn't explain why it's a good idea for the US to get involved.


Read the comment I was replying to, ffs. Middle East expert Kit Fister stated the Iranians were supporting the rebels
 
2013-08-26 05:39:11 PM  
So, Obama's hubris for declaring 'redlines' will get America into another Mideast War opposed by over 80% of Americans. I hope the 2014 elections become a referendum on America's unwanted role in the Syrian War.
 
2013-08-26 05:39:52 PM  
and there was also undeniable evidence of WMDs in Iraq
 
2013-08-26 05:40:20 PM  

GoldSpider: 21-7-b: Can you read?

Allow me to explore your train of logic:

1.  Iran supports the Assad regime.
2.  Therefore we should bomb Syria.


Can't you even be bothered to read the comment I was replying to? I was correcting a poster who stated that Iran was supporting the rebels. Stop being so damned lazy
 
2013-08-26 05:42:43 PM  

Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....

We need a way to do mass-sterilization from the air. No killing. Put countries/tribes/regions on notice to get their houses in order or else. They don't, then they can live out their lives watching themselves fade.


The sad part is that you assume I mean only poor/undeveloped/disadvantaged people. Nothing along those lines matters!

No matter what equation you are doing....

Not enough food
Not enough land
Not enough energy
Not enough water
Not enough health care                           vs                TOO MANY FARKIN PEOPLE
Not enough jobs
Not enough.....
 
2013-08-26 05:42:49 PM  

Darkrover2: Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....


That part comes after steps 2 and 3

2. ?
3. Profit
4.Kill all the poor.
 
2013-08-26 05:44:15 PM  

21-7-b: Can't you even be bothered to read the comment I was replying to?


I've been told that reading is for people with ambiguous sexual preferences at best.
 
2013-08-26 05:44:20 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?


First they install a private central bank to issue the state currency as loan to the new "government" with interest.  Next all Public/Government Natural resources and rights to them are sold off to foreign Corporations.  Now the country is in perpetual debt slavery to foreign banks and can never possibly pay back the loans because more debt then wealth is created.  This has been done time and time again, usually orchestrated by arming both sides of a conflict and then telling them that the other side wants to kill them.  All War is war by deception for the profit of banking interests.  War is nothing more than Financial transfer from the people to the elite through fraud.
 
2013-08-26 05:44:34 PM  

Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...


Only 63 seconds for the first bite

8.5/10
 
2013-08-26 05:44:52 PM  

Brontes: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

The Iraq where we are greeted as liberators?  Sign me up!


flowers and candy! won't take but 6 weeks and the oil will pay for it.
 
2013-08-26 05:46:06 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: and there was also undeniable evidence of WMDs in Iraq


It's the same weapons that were in Iraq.  You're not paying attention. Liberals are counting on it.
 
2013-08-26 05:46:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

Pretty much exactly what happened in Libya.


I hear leaving a country in rubble after you help them is a good way to make friends.   Thats why al qaeda has such a hard time establishing a foothold in Afghanistan.
 
2013-08-26 05:46:09 PM  
Um...Christopher Hitchens?
 
2013-08-26 05:46:48 PM  

21-7-b: cc_rider: 21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue

Yes, a lot of us do understand that for the neo-cons, Syria has always been about a "back door into Iran". That still doesn't explain why it's a good idea for the US to get involved.

Read the comment I was replying to, ffs. Middle East expert Kit Fister stated the Iranians were supporting the rebels


Sorry, I missed the previous comment, so I guess got ahead of myself there.   ;)
 
2013-08-26 05:47:01 PM  
Assad is a brutal dictator who killed his own people. If he gets his comeuppance because he got cause using chemical weapons, that's good enough.
 
2013-08-26 05:47:45 PM  

mark12A: Soon, the water off Syria will turn white as USS Ohio spews forth 154 Tomahawks in a stunning display of American ability to shiat away money on something that really doesn't threaten America directly.


LET them die...
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That was fantastic Kirk usage... it played perfectly in my mind.
 
2013-08-26 05:48:18 PM  
rstvideo.com

Comin' again to save the mother-farkin' day.

/hot
 
2013-08-26 05:48:20 PM  

thnksqrd: Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...

Only 63 seconds for the first bite

8.5/10


ts3.mm.bing.net
'Sometimes I amaze even myself....'
 
2013-08-26 05:49:13 PM  

Darkrover2: Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....

We need a way to do mass-sterilization from the air. No killing. Put countries/tribes/regions on notice to get their houses in order or else. They don't, then they can live out their lives watching themselves fade.

The sad part is that you assume I mean only poor/undeveloped/disadvantaged people. Nothing along those lines matters!

No matter what equation you are doing....

Not enough food
Not enough land
Not enough energy
Not enough water
Not enough health care                           vs                TOO MANY FARKIN PEOPLE
Not enough jobs
Not enough.....


If I were the King, development and money would have nothing to do with it. Having a bankrupt culture that breeds only hate and war would have everything to do with it. Texarkana would be just as viable a target as Northern India. I know, I know, I'm somehow racist for citing India, but let's see how everyone feels in 50 years when we're choking to death on curry farts.

The Renaissance was only possible because of the Black Death. Suddenly, the mail carrier could be the Postmaster because everybody was dead.
 
2013-08-26 05:50:17 PM  
Is it not painfully obvious that the Sarin attack was launched by Russia?

They take the moral high ground, only reluctantly allowing America to fire Tomahawks at Syria.  And in the meantime, they get to watch closely to see how their missile defence systems work in a real assault.  And, to top it all off, it drives one of their buyers back in the store to restock all their munitions.

America spends bajillions on yet another failed war in the middle east, further diminishing their economy, and humiliating themselves in the process.

Well played, Mr Putin.  Well played.
 
2013-08-26 05:50:56 PM  

Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....

We need a way to do mass-sterilization from the air. No killing. Put countries/tribes/regions on notice to get their houses in order or else. They don't, then they can live out their lives watching themselves fade.

The sad part is that you assume I mean only poor/undeveloped/disadvantaged people. Nothing along those lines matters!

No matter what equation you are doing....

Not enough food
Not enough land
Not enough energy
Not enough water
Not enough health care                           vs                TOO MANY FARKIN PEOPLE
Not enough jobs
Not enough.....

If I were the King, development and money would have nothing to do with it. Having a bankrupt culture that breeds only hate and war would have everything to do with it. Texarkana would be just as viable a target as Northern India. I know, I know, I'm somehow racist for citing India, but let's see how everyone feels in 50 years when we're choking to death on curry farts.

The Renaissance was only possible because of the Black Death. Suddenly, the mail carrier could be the Postmaster because everybody was dead.


We are a bit overdue for a pandemic...
 
2013-08-26 05:51:11 PM  

21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters


So why do WE need to get involved?  Why can't Germany, UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.  Why does it always have to be us?  We aren't even on the same side of the damn planet.  Seems it should be a little more pressing of an issue for their own neighbors.
 
2013-08-26 05:54:03 PM  

debug: So why do WE need to get involved?


USA! USA! USA!
 
2013-08-26 05:55:16 PM  
debug:
So why do WE need to get involved?  Why can't Germany, UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.  Why does it always have to be us?  We aren't even on the same side of the damn planet.  Seems it should be a little more pressing of an issue for their own neighbors.

Maybe they're not worried because A) It is not a threat and B) They don't have Wolf Blitzer et al shrieking Arabs! at them on the news every night.
 
2013-08-26 05:55:54 PM  

scottymac: karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?

Nope. This is the thread where the Fark regulars rationalize it this time around because, you know, Obama.


So what you are saying is that us Lefties get to deliver a big fat "I Told Ya So!"
 
2013-08-26 05:56:46 PM  
Your killing was all fine and dandy until you killed the wrong way. Now we will have to kill you and then rebuild you in the most expensive way possible.
 
2013-08-26 05:57:16 PM  
The nation ain't gonna build itself!
 
2013-08-26 05:57:24 PM  

debug: 21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters

So why do WE need to get involved?  Why can't Germany, UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.  Why does it always have to be us?  We aren't even on the same side of the damn planet.  Seems it should be a little more pressing of an issue for their own neighbors.


Europeans have defunded their militaries to the point they simply cannot carry out such a mission. Hell, they needed US support for the much less difficult removal of Gaddaffi. They know we will pay for it and bleed for it, so why bother.
 
2013-08-26 05:57:51 PM  

Apik0r0s: debug:
So why do WE need to get involved?  Why can't Germany, UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.  Why does it always have to be us?  We aren't even on the same side of the damn planet.  Seems it should be a little more pressing of an issue for their own neighbors.

Maybe they're not worried because A) It is not a threat and B) They don't have Wolf Blitzer et al shrieking Arabs! at them on the news every night.


The first two....budgetary and political issues....the second two, military issues...
 
2013-08-26 06:00:27 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Pumpernickel bread: and there was also undeniable evidence of WMDs in Iraq

It's the same weapons that were in Iraq.  You're not paying attention. Liberals are counting on it.


So, what you're saying is that there are no WMDs in Syria?
 
2013-08-26 06:00:38 PM  

21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue


okay, my mistake. That still doesn't explain to me why getting involved militarily in the middle east in YET ANOTHER country is doing us any favors? We support Assad: we lose. We support the rebels: We lose. No matter what happens, we end up the bad guy.
 
2013-08-26 06:01:44 PM  

dr_blasto: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Pumpernickel bread: and there was also undeniable evidence of WMDs in Iraq

It's the same weapons that were in Iraq.  You're not paying attention. Liberals are counting on it.

So, what you're saying is that there are no WMDs in Syria?


What he's saying is that the conspiracy theorists believe Saddam moved his WMDs to Syria before the US got there.
 
2013-08-26 06:03:13 PM  

basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.


It's a food product, essentially.
 
2013-08-26 06:04:20 PM  

Kit Fister: dr_blasto: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Pumpernickel bread: and there was also undeniable evidence of WMDs in Iraq

It's the same weapons that were in Iraq.  You're not paying attention. Liberals are counting on it.

So, what you're saying is that there are no WMDs in Syria?

What he's saying is that the conspiracy theorists believe Saddam moved his WMDs to Syria before the US got there.


It's more fun to call them out as if they were being honest or not crazy.
 
2013-08-26 06:04:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The way Morsi was going he wouldn't made Mubarek look like Mother Theresa.  The Egyptian Military stepped in to fix the problem before it got out of hand, and once they've handled the Muslim Brotherhood situation hopefully they step down and allow for democratic elections.

Israel is our strongest ally in the region, and we need to consider their needs in our operations over there.


The Egyptian military never stopped running things. Morsi tried to stand up to them and they proved that. They let that experiment last precisely as long as it took for the westernized urban minority to once more realize it was a minority, and when enough of them were willing to play along with their grandparents' deal to support military rule in exchange for second-hand modernization, they went right back to doing things more or less the way they have been since the Officers' Revolt.

At best, they'll allow a greater patina of powerless civilian control to sit in front of their rule; most likely, they'll just run it as an oligarchic council and shy away from the Strong Man excesses Nasser introduced and which threatened to transform into de facto monarchy under Mubarak(remember, he was trying to pass everything off to his son, whereas typically Head of State status has passed on to the next highest ranked military official when one "President" has stepped down or died).

As to Morsi, you need to understand exactly what he did. He tried to cut out the military and old military political clients from government. The power to legislate without judicial approval was necessary because all those judges are hold overs from the military regime. He attempted to re-install a democratically elected legislature -that yes, was mostly members of his Islamist part but that's because those are who the Egyptians freely elected; that party won for a reason, and that reason is its candidates got the most votes- which the military had disbanded through the Supreme Constitutional Court, which it controls. He declared nullified checks on Presidential and legislative power which the military had "passed" through the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. His government also did and said some other things that worried upper-class Egyptians, but what do you expect; proper political behavior within a democracy is a tradition you build, not a switch you flip. In any new democracy not headed by the inhumanly humble and fanatically Republican personage of George Washington is going to run into some hiccups in its early days, particularly when it has a hostile military -and an upper class with a decades long history of supporting that military so long as it keeps the poors down- breathing down its neck.

What he was trying to do was put the Egyptian military back in its barracks permanently so they'd never play kingmaker again. Their response was to orchestrate shortages and foment hysteria through their allied media networks, which led to unrest, which they then used as the basis for orchestrating a coup. This stuff isn't new, and it wasn't even well hidden; hell, Morsi's wikipedia page covers all of it. The reason you didn't hear about this in that way is because the Europeans, particularly Cameron, were emphatically behind the Egyptian military on this(that's why the BBC led the way on pro-coup coverage), and our gov didn't really care one way or another because Morsi, in playing to his base to shore up his position against the military, had promised to do certain things we weren't comfortable with, like seek the humanitarian extradition of Omar Abdel-Rahman, and include clauses in a new Constitution declaring it in-line with "Islamic Law", which doesn't really mean much. Bahrain claims to be in-line with Islamic law and it's covered in brothels and bars; Saudi Arabia claims the same and it has roaming religious police who will behead you in public for blasphemy. "in-line with Islamic Law" covers a lot of ground, but it sounds scary to pants-wetting ignorant westerners who've never bothered to crack a single damn book about foreign policy or history, and don't know what "real politik" actually means, so there we are.

Morsi's term was the forces of genuine Egyptian democracy, which in this instance were lead by the Islamic Brotherhood, trying to stand up to the military that has suppressed them for decades. Morsi thought the military was weakened by Mubarak's fall, he thought that the participation of the upper-class urbanites in bringing that about was a sign of a schism between the military and its historical base of support, and he picked his fight accordingly. He thought wrong, he lost, and the military made sure to murder his daughter in public and violently crush his supporters in front of the world to drive the point home. Eat the propaganda if you want, I certainly can't stop you, but this wasn't some heroic and wildly ahistorical example of the Egyptian military suddenly finding it cared about democracy and valiantly standing up to a power-mad, universally hated tyrant. This was a military dictatorship that had temporarily stood aside and allowed its chosen "leader" to get taken down after he started entertaining visions of kingship reasserting its authority over the people, with the renewed support of at least some of the urban elites who'd abandoned it due to Mubarak's excesses and the political trends of the time.
 
2013-08-26 06:05:47 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Kosovo. Or Libya. Pick one.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-08-26 06:07:12 PM  

Darkrover2: TOO MANY FARKIN PEOPLE


userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-08-26 06:08:21 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!


Saw Benghazi, almost highlighted you in dumbfark orange. Saw Taxbongo just in time, highlighted you in satire grey instead.
 
2013-08-26 06:08:36 PM  

debug: UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.


Sure, as soon as the Euro becomes the new Reserve Currency of the World Economy. Better yet, lets walk away from NATO, that is sure to have a positive effect on our world alliances and in no way embolden Russia and China to flex their muscles.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-08-26 06:08:58 PM  

ciberido: basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

It's a food product, essentially.


www.robertcaplin.com

Megyn, boobs are GTFO
 
2013-08-26 06:09:57 PM  

d23: Darkrover2: TOO MANY FARKIN PEOPLE

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Yea, 3 too many as far as Genesis goes...Exodus and Leviticus as well...
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-08-26 06:10:18 PM  

NathanAllen: Sure, as soon as the Euro becomes the new Reserve Currency of the World Economy.


Quick, Shelly... put a bill in the hopper!
 
2013-08-26 06:11:36 PM  

Kit Fister: dr_blasto: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Pumpernickel bread: and there was also undeniable evidence of WMDs in Iraq

It's the same weapons that were in Iraq.  You're not paying attention. Liberals are counting on it.

So, what you're saying is that there are no WMDs in Syria?

What he's saying is that the conspiracy theorists believe Saddam moved his WMDs to Syria before the US got there.


Which he did. Potty Poot didn't give them to Syria.  And neither did Iran. Leaves only one source. Get a big crayon and connect those dots. durrr.  As badly as Curveball has been discredited, it's likely his data had some truth to it.  He had to be discredited after we found nothing in Iraq.  I wonder what Colin Powell is thinking about these days?
 
2013-08-26 06:12:01 PM  

Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: So we know they gassed their own people.

How will the public react when we invade to end WMD's and don't find any?

I ask again, how in the fark do we know that?

Because Zionist media and leaders who pick up millions in AIPAC money said so?


We don't know that.  Yet.  But I think there is some evidence that the Syrian government gassed its own people even though the Zionist media and the AIPAC shills said they did.  To wit:  3600 people who all came down in the same morning with symptoms that led doctors to believe they had all been exposed to a neurotoxin, the Syrian government's conventional bombardment of the area where those people lived over the course of the next several days after the symptoms were first reported, the fact that just about all the people affected were Sunni Muslims, and the dearth of reliable evidence that the rebels possess chemical weapons or that they know how to handle and deliver them.
 
2013-08-26 06:12:20 PM  

basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.


Based on the videos and reports from Doctors without borders, I'm going to go with Sarin or Tabun.
 
2013-08-26 06:12:43 PM  
When do the anti-war protests start? It's been years since the last good protests.
 
2013-08-26 06:14:26 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: 21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters

Show me how to effectively target and isolate our opposition. THAT is the problem.


Yeah, it is a problem, but as I understand it we can supply anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons which we can stop falling into the wrong hands because of the communication equipment they contain and the ability to remotely deactivate them. That places the FSA in a position whereby they can fight Assad, rather than simply being pounded day-after-day, as they have been, which should in turn make them seem more militarily attractive to those fighting than the Al Qaeda affiliates.

Ultimately if Syria is to stay intact the government will need to govern the loyalists, the rebels and the Kurds, and, given the last two-and-a-half years, not to mention the preceding 50, to govern without repression is going to require a meaningful coalition. In many ways, then, the obviousness of the difficulty inherent in the problem makes the solution easier: the country is going to need a meaningful, inclusive constitution that guarantees the groups some degree of safety and autonomy and has to sideline the all-or-nothing approach of Assad and Al Qaeda

The longer it takes us to do something the more atrocities the Al Qaeda franchises and Assad will commit and the more repressive the victorious parties are likely to be

Here's a site dedicated to the creative side of the revolution

Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda
 
2013-08-26 06:14:44 PM  

muck4doo: When do the anti-war protests start? It's been years since the last good protests.


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-08-26 06:15:01 PM  
To all the folks that want dusty boots;  Show me the R.O.I..
 
2013-08-26 06:15:59 PM  

muck4doo: When do the anti-war protests start? It's been years since the last good protests.


Oh hell muck, those hippies are still trying to figure out how to milk #Occupy XXX some more. They wouldn't know who or what to protest in this shiatty mess.
 
2013-08-26 06:16:18 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.


You practice to be this factually impaired?
 
2013-08-26 06:16:59 PM  

tirob: Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: So we know they gassed their own people.

How will the public react when we invade to end WMD's and don't find any?

I ask again, how in the fark do we know that?

Because Zionist media and leaders who pick up millions in AIPAC money said so?

We don't know that.  Yet.  But I think there is some evidence that the Syrian government gassed its own people even though the Zionist media and the AIPAC shills said they did.  To wit:  3600 people who all came down in the same morning with symptoms that led doctors to believe they had all been exposed to a neurotoxin, the Syrian government's conventional bombardment of the area where those people lived over the course of the next several days after the symptoms were first reported, the fact that just about all the people affected were Sunni Muslims, and the dearth of reliable evidence that the rebels possess chemical weapons or that they know how to handle and deliver them.


Makes sense, that the Syrian government would use chemical weapons in such an obvious way on the eve of a UN team arriving to investigate chemical weapons use. No detective in the world would buy that, they know you look at who benefits.
 
2013-08-26 06:17:14 PM  

Heron: TuteTibiImperes: The way Morsi was going he wouldn't made Mubarek look like Mother Theresa.  The Egyptian Military stepped in to fix the problem before it got out of hand, and once they've handled the Muslim Brotherhood situation hopefully they step down and allow for democratic elections.

Israel is our strongest ally in the region, and we need to consider their needs in our operations over there.

The Egyptian military never stopped running things. Morsi tried to stand up to them and they proved that. They let that experiment last precisely as long as it took for the westernized urban minority to once more realize it was a minority, and when enough of them were willing to play along with their grandparents' deal to support military rule in exchange for second-hand modernization, they went right back to doing things more or less the way they have been since the Officers' Revolt.

At best, they'll allow a greater patina of powerless civilian control to sit in front of their rule; most likely, they'll just run it as an oligarchic council and shy away from the Strong Man excesses Nasser introduced and which threatened to transform into de facto monarchy under Mubarak(remember, he was trying to pass everything off to his son, whereas typically Head of State status has passed on to the next highest ranked military official when one "President" has stepped down or died).

As to Morsi, you need to understand exactly what he did. He tried to cut out the military and old military political clients from government. The power to legislate without judicial approval was necessary because all those judges are hold overs from the military regime. He attempted to re-install a democratically elected legislature -that yes, was mostly members of his Islamist part but that's because those are who the Egyptians freely elected; that party won for a reason, and that reason is its candidates got the most votes- which the military had disbanded through the Supreme Constitutional Court, whi ...


cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2013-08-26 06:18:07 PM  

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


lh3.googleusercontent.com

Who cares, as long as there are more dead brown people, right?
 
2013-08-26 06:19:26 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-26 06:20:44 PM  

debug: 21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters

So why do WE need to get involved?  Why can't Germany, UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.  Why does it always have to be us?  We aren't even on the same side of the damn planet.  Seems it should be a little more pressing of an issue for their own neighbors.


That's true, but the bottom line is that America is the top dog.
 
2013-08-26 06:21:26 PM  
Invade Iraq for oil and now Syria for gas? It's always something.
 
2013-08-26 06:22:51 PM  

21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda


Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....
 
2013-08-26 06:23:20 PM  

Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-26 06:23:24 PM  

muck4doo: When do the anti-war protests start? It's been years since the last good protests.


Can we start protesting with upside down American Flags again?
 
2013-08-26 06:24:17 PM  
It seems like only four days ago when when we all had a good laugh about Obama being indifferent to gassed Syrians. Those were the days.
 
2013-08-26 06:25:37 PM  

lordjupiter: Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist

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As we knew you would...ignorance is bliss for the ignorant.
 
2013-08-26 06:26:54 PM  

JerseyTim: It seems like only four days ago when when we all had a good laugh about Obama being indifferent to gassed Syrians. Those were the days.


He hasn't done much yet. This still falls under the "talk big" heading.
 
2013-08-26 06:27:25 PM  

2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.

You practice to be this factually impaired?


If you think you have all the facts, I got news for you.  You don't.  But if you put some lipstick on that chicken tonight, I'm sure you'll both enjoy it.
 
2013-08-26 06:27:54 PM  

ztrom: Heron:
Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship.

The latter half did fark-all to save them in the centuries upon centuries that they've been treated as walking abominations by most of the Western world.


Did I say that it did? Europeans are disgusting assholes; humans in general are disgusting assholes. No part of their respective traditions and histories saved the Basques, the Welsh, the Irish, the Czechs, the Roma, the Ainu or any other "people" surrounded and outnumbered by another "people" -or attacked by a technically stronger foe- in any other part of the world, either. Be a minority anywhere before the 20th century, and in most places still, and chances were good you'd have a pretty rough time of it. This indisputably crappy fact of human existence doesn't make treating other people as sub-humans right, nor war-mongering just. That Europeans before WWII were shiatheads doesn't justify bull-dozing Palestinian homes, or reducing Beirut to rubble. You don't choose to be moral because it saves you; you choose to be moral because the only thing that gives life any value is choosing how you want to live it, and staying true to that decision.
 
2013-08-26 06:29:05 PM  

Darkrover2: lordjupiter: Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist

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As we knew you would...ignorance is bliss for the ignorant.


Put your line back in the water
 
2013-08-26 06:29:57 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!

Taxbongo?  I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.


Agreed. The obamacare issue was very heavy handed, and the mandate could have been written differently. The recent security leaks have been embarrassing, and other countries are wising up to his not really being desirous to put boots on the ground for more than a few minutes. None of these are cataclysmic, so I'd ask what those other disasters are, other than the ones handed to him like the economy, the two wars, and a culture of secrecy that borders on becoming a police state. He's done some stupid shiat, but the right-wing had better not claim they handed over to him a country overwhelmed with magical puppies and companies gleefully handing out well paid jobs.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-08-26 06:30:28 PM  

Darkrover2: lordjupiter: Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist

[250x272 from http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3292/5763428843_ce57f1f3a9.jpg image 250x272]

As we knew you would...ignorance is bliss for the ignorant.


Naw.  Obama is about as socialist as the Rockefeller family.  If you think he's a socialist then you are redefining words.
 
2013-08-26 06:31:54 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: debug: 21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters

So why do WE need to get involved?  Why can't Germany, UK, France, Italy etc take care of it.  Why does it always have to be us?  We aren't even on the same side of the damn planet.  Seems it should be a little more pressing of an issue for their own neighbors.

Europeans have defunded their militaries to the point they simply cannot carry out such a mission. Hell, they needed US support for the much less difficult removal of Gaddaffi. They know we will pay for it and bleed for it, so why bother.


Quite apart from raw military capability, America can call in favors far more effectively than individual (or even a coalition of) European countries. Generally, if America flexes its muscles it can rely on some sort of back-up. If a European country tried to flex its muscles in the same way it would be laughed out of town
 
2013-08-26 06:34:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: War should be a last result. It should be painful. It should require sacrifice. It should make you never want to fight one again and avoid it at all costs.


Nah.
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
Just a little taste is enough.
 
2013-08-26 06:35:08 PM  

Apik0r0s: tirob: Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: So we know they gassed their own people.

How will the public react when we invade to end WMD's and don't find any?

I ask again, how in the fark do we know that?

Because Zionist media and leaders who pick up millions in AIPAC money said so?

We don't know that.  Yet.  But I think there is some evidence that the Syrian government gassed its own people even though the Zionist media and the AIPAC shills said they did.  To wit:  3600 people who all came down in the same morning with symptoms that led doctors to believe they had all been exposed to a neurotoxin, the Syrian government's conventional bombardment of the area where those people lived over the course of the next several days after the symptoms were first reported, the fact that just about all the people affected were Sunni Muslims, and the dearth of reliable evidence that the rebels possess chemical weapons or that they know how to handle and deliver them.

Makes sense, that the Syrian government would use chemical weapons in such an obvious way on the eve of a UN team arriving to investigate chemical weapons use. No detective in the world would buy that, they know you look at who benefits.


As long as we're speculating now, I think that Assad benefits in two ways:  1) it's 355 of his perceived enemies dead, thousands more in the hospital, and a lesson to everyone else in Syria that if you look sideways at the forces of the government, you could be next, and 2) a message to the UN sock puppets of the Zionist entity that the Syrian government is sovereign and will do whatever it likes on its own territory, thank you.
 
2013-08-26 06:36:15 PM  

cman: It doesn't concern us


yeah.. Neither did the Holocaust. We shoulda just let the Jews figure it out, down to the last one.
 
2013-08-26 06:36:58 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....


What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?
 
2013-08-26 06:37:26 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!

And Ben Affleck.  You always forget him.


I've been TRYing to forget Ben Affleck.  Thank you so much for reminding me.
 
2013-08-26 06:37:31 PM  

tirob: As long as we're speculating now, I think that Assad benefits in two ways:  1) it's 355 of his perceived enemies dead, thousands more in the hospital, and a lesson to everyone else in Syria that if you look sideways at the forces of the government, you could be next, and 2) a message to the UN sock puppets of the Zionist entity that the Syrian government is sovereign and will do whatever it likes on its own territory, thank you.


That's completely rational.

/backs away
 
2013-08-26 06:37:54 PM  

tirob: Apik0r0s: tirob: Apik0r0s: Darkrover2: So we know they gassed their own people.

How will the public react when we invade to end WMD's and don't find any?

I ask again, how in the fark do we know that?

Because Zionist media and leaders who pick up millions in AIPAC money said so?

We don't know that.  Yet.  But I think there is some evidence that the Syrian government gassed its own people even though the Zionist media and the AIPAC shills said they did.  To wit:  3600 people who all came down in the same morning with symptoms that led doctors to believe they had all been exposed to a neurotoxin, the Syrian government's conventional bombardment of the area where those people lived over the course of the next several days after the symptoms were first reported, the fact that just about all the people affected were Sunni Muslims, and the dearth of reliable evidence that the rebels possess chemical weapons or that they know how to handle and deliver them.

Makes sense, that the Syrian government would use chemical weapons in such an obvious way on the eve of a UN team arriving to investigate chemical weapons use. No detective in the world would buy that, they know you look at who benefits.

As long as we're speculating now, I think that Assad benefits in two ways:  1) it's 355 of his perceived enemies dead, thousands more in the hospital, and a lesson to everyone else in Syria that if you look sideways at the forces of the government, you could be next, and 2) a message to the UN sock puppets of the Zionist entity that the Syrian government is sovereign and will do whatever it likes on its own territory, thank you.


You realize that no one who uses phrases like 'sock puppets of the Zionist entity' can ever hope to be taken seriously, right?
 
2013-08-26 06:38:38 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.

You practice to be this factually impaired?

If you think you have all the facts, I got news for you.  You don't.  But if you put some lipstick on that chicken tonight, I'm sure you'll both enjoy it.


So, we should just take your word for it. I mean, there's zero evidence, but that's not important, right?
 
2013-08-26 06:39:11 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Mike_LowELL: Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!

Taxbongo?  I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.


He's been doing that a while now.  When it's not "Taxbongo" it's "Hussein."  It's like ringing a bell.  Pavlov would be proud.
 
2013-08-26 06:40:08 PM  

AngryDragon: muck4doo: When do the anti-war protests start? It's been years since the last good protests.


He's right. I live nearish to dc, and war proteats dropped off SHARPLY immediately after the election. Some of the usual protest community should, by rights be busting out the signs and huge paper mache puppets right about now.

That is if they are primarily peace activists and not largely political shills.
 
2013-08-26 06:40:24 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: You realize that no one who uses phrases like 'sock puppets of the Zionist entity' can ever hope to be taken seriously, right?


You realize he was speaking in the Syrian govt's voice there, right?

Reflex much?
 
2013-08-26 06:42:19 PM  

dr_blasto: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.

You practice to be this factually impaired?

If you think you have all the facts, I got news for you.  You don't.  But if you put some lipstick on that chicken tonight, I'm sure you'll both enjoy it.

So, we should just take your word for it. I mean, there's zero evidence, but that's not important, right?


Don't take my word, believe what you want.
 
2013-08-26 06:42:41 PM  

Apik0r0s: TuteTibiImperes: You realize that no one who uses phrases like 'sock puppets of the Zionist entity' can ever hope to be taken seriously, right?

You realize he was speaking in the Syrian govt's voice there, right?

Reflex much?


Ah, my apologies then.  Middle East threads seem to trend towards good 'ole fashioned Jew-hatins' fairly often, I must have my sensitivity set to high.
 
2013-08-26 06:44:32 PM  
Dare we call tne evidence a slam dunk?
 
2013-08-26 06:45:11 PM  

21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?


Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.
 
2013-08-26 06:45:42 PM  

21-7-b: What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?


It means that there are rebel forces who are openly aligned with Al Qaeda, and not just soldiers but their leaders. Link. This fact alone is enough for us to stay the hell out of it unless it's to kill a few rebels (I don't advocate doing that either but at least there would be some sense to it what with it being AQ related and all of that).
 
2013-08-26 06:45:54 PM  
As the kids like to say... LOL Kerry.
 
2013-08-26 06:48:47 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: dr_blasto: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.

You practice to be this factually impaired?

If you think you have all the facts, I got news for you.  You don't.  But if you put some lipstick on that chicken tonight, I'm sure you'll both enjoy it.

So, we should just take your word for it. I mean, there's zero evidence, but that's not important, right?

Don't take my word, believe what you want.


OK, then. I guess I'll just stick with what we actually have evidence to support.

fireclown: AngryDragon: muck4doo: When do the anti-war protests start? It's been years since the last good protests.

He's right. I live nearish to dc, and war proteats dropped off SHARPLY immediately after the election. Some of the usual protest community should, by rights be busting out the signs and huge paper mache puppets right about now.

That is if they are primarily peace activists and not largely political shills.


Well, unless you're talking about protesting the war in Afghanistan, wouldn't we need to actually have a war to protest?

Outside of that, this is one of those bad all-around things. Do nothing and watch the horrors escalate. Terrible.

Engage and be complicit in whatever happens and deal with your own aftermath/blowback.
 
2013-08-26 06:49:26 PM  
 
2013-08-26 06:52:36 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.

You practice to be this factually impaired?

If you think you have all the facts, I got news for you.  You don't.  But if you put some lipstick on that chicken tonight, I'm sure you'll both enjoy it.


Nice attempt at subject change.  There is no, zero, feedback that Curveball was anything but a talking head that told the spooks what they wanted to hear.  Your premise that he was in effect "due" to be correct on something has no basis in fact.
 
2013-08-26 06:54:02 PM  
This is going to suck. >_<
 
2013-08-26 06:54:25 PM  

dr_blasto: Engage and be complicit in whatever happens and deal with your own aftermath/blowback.


Obama will do nothing. If he does, he's staring at Putin right across the table. And that won't happen, he already snubbed Pooty so he could play more golf. We do nothing.
 
2013-08-26 06:55:26 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I didn't know that attempting to arouse emotion on an internet message board for my own amusement was trolling these days.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-08-26 06:57:21 PM  

Mouser: [410x512 from https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B-ySEFR-p-E/UhvTw_oU8PI/AAAAAAAABuI /mxGs1tR11cI/s512/40k20Khorne2001.jpg image 410x512]

Who cares, as long as there are more dead brown people, right?


Lemons?  I don't want your damn lemons!
 
2013-08-26 06:57:27 PM  

2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: his data had some truth to it.

You practice to be this factually impaired?

If you think you have all the facts, I got news for you.  You don't.  But if you put some lipstick on that chicken tonight, I'm sure you'll both enjoy it.

Nice attempt at subject change.  There is no, zero, feedback that Curveball was anything but a talking head that told the spooks what they wanted to hear.  Your premise that he was in effect "due" to be correct on something has no basis in fact.


Fine, if you say so. I wish Sarin gas had a footprint like uranium or plutonium isotopes. At any rate, you never addressed my query about where Syria's gas came from.  Care to try that? They didn't make it.  And Putin didn't give it to them. Neither did Iran. Who did?  The Easter Bunny?
 
2013-08-26 06:57:32 PM  
Question:  Why is it different if a person is killed by poison gas compared with say, a rocket, a sniper shot, run over by a tank, or killed by a mine?

Far more people have been killed by conventional methods in this conflict, what is so magical in peoples mind about choking to death or having you nervous system shut down over a shot to the head or chest that bleeds you out?  Both are horrible ways to die, but the world is outraged about gas being used while bullets simply receive a shrug of shoulders. Civil wars are horrible things, but if the situation wasn't worthy our involvement two weeks ago, I simply don't see what makes things all that different this week.  If we are going to respond, it should be limited to minor strikes on CCCI sites and maybe his air force.  You absolutely don't want to target the chemical weapons themselves as that could release them and kill many individuals downwind.
 
2013-08-26 06:58:05 PM  

ad_rizzle: Mike_LowELL: I didn't know that attempting to arouse emotion on an internet message board for my own amusement was trolling these days.

[640x480 from http://images.wikia.com/en.futurama/images/d/da/Fry_Looking_Squint.jpg image 640x480]


WTF do you think boards are for?
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-08-26 06:58:35 PM  

Captain Steroid: This is going to suck. >_<


We are a few sternly worded letters away from any action, at the least
 
2013-08-26 06:59:49 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it.


[[ citation needed ]]
 
2013-08-26 07:00:07 PM  

21-7-b: That's true, but the bottom line is that America is the top dog.


Of what?  Freeing the shiat out of people?
 
2013-08-26 07:00:52 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.


Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?
 
2013-08-26 07:01:35 PM  

russsssman: Neither did the Holocaust. We shoulda just let the Jews figure it out, down to the last one.


Oh, is that why we entered WW2?
 
2013-08-26 07:01:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Captain Steroid: This is going to suck. >_<

We are a few sternly worded letters away from any action, at the least


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
'Now go away, or we shall taunt you for the second time!'
 
2013-08-26 07:03:14 PM  

dr_blasto: OK, then. I guess I'll just stick with what we actually have evidence to support.


Sure, facts. *chortle*......It is a fact nothing was found in Iraq. It is also a fact a large convoy of trucks left Iraq and went to Syria as we ginned up the invasion. I'm sure it was just food and t-shirts. I can't ask you to prove a negative, I only have my suspicions and some extremely interesting coincidences. It's ok, call me a nut. I don't care.  The Sarin came from somewhere, close. That is also a fact.
 
2013-08-26 07:04:20 PM  

21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.

Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?


You've haven't read it yet, have you?
 
2013-08-26 07:04:26 PM  

Daedalus27: Question:  Why is it different if a person is killed by poison gas compared with say, a rocket, a sniper shot, run over by a tank, or killed by a mine?

Far more people have been killed by conventional methods in this conflict, what is so magical in peoples mind about choking to death or having you nervous system shut down over a shot to the head or chest that bleeds you out?  Both are horrible ways to die, but the world is outraged about gas being used while bullets simply receive a shrug of shoulders. Civil wars are horrible things, but if the situation wasn't worthy our involvement two weeks ago, I simply don't see what makes things all that different this week.  If we are going to respond, it should be limited to minor strikes on CCCI sites and maybe his air force.  You absolutely don't want to target the chemical weapons themselves as that could release them and kill many individuals downwind.


Chemical weapons are banned because they tend to have more collateral damage than traditional weapons.  Targeting civilians is always against the rules of war, but it's understood that sometimes there will be civilian deaths when engaging legitimate military targets.  Chemical and biological agents are considered to put civilians at too high a risk however.
 
2013-08-26 07:06:27 PM  

Ker_Thwap: As the kids like to say... LOL Kerry.


Heh, do the 'kids' even know who Kerry is? Wish I was joking.
 
2013-08-26 07:06:32 PM  
Meet the new boss....
 
2013-08-26 07:08:07 PM  

oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!


I'm honestly dissapointed by the armchair generals and tin foilers here...Looking at the pictures of the WMD 'victims' the dead Syrians here do not at all exhibited common telltale signs of chemical weapon symptoms.

If anyone remember the pics of the Kurds that SH gassed back in the day those bodes were literally frozen in state..The frozen state that is well known for persons who die immediately of nerve poisoning(sarin) is absent, the persons suffering are described to have dilated pupils when sarin and most other nerve agents actually cause your pupils to constrict. I just did not see them here.
 
2013-08-26 07:09:24 PM  

Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

It means that there are rebel forces who are openly aligned with Al Qaeda, and not just soldiers but their leaders. Link. This fact alone is enough for us to stay the hell out of it unless it's to kill a few rebels (I don't advocate doing that either but at least there would be some sense to it what with it being AQ related and all of that).


Your link had nothing to do with the point you were making, ou must have pasted the wrong url. Anyway, I'm sure there has at times been cooperation between the various groups but the reality is very different link
 
2013-08-26 07:09:49 PM  
WMD has been redefined to include things like an M67 fragmentary grenade. We're all guilty of war crimes.
 
2013-08-26 07:10:55 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is also a fact a large convoy of trucks left Iraq and went to Syria as we ginned up the invasion. I'm sure it was just food and t-shirts. I can't ask you to prove a negative, I only have my suspicions and some extremely interesting coincidences.


lochgarry.files.wordpress.com

Then why did the Bush Administration shrug its' shoulders at Saddam's missing WMDs instead of shouting from the hills that they were all now in Syria?
 
2013-08-26 07:11:15 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it.

[[ citation needed ]]


Seriously, this. Sarin is an organophosphate (incecticide). Doesn't really take a whole lot of technology to produce....
 
2013-08-26 07:12:11 PM  

cman: Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Remember the last time we went to war over WMDs in the mid-east?

AIPAC pays good money to keep your leaders on the string, it would be unfair were they to not earn that money by blowing a few thousand Syrian children into dust. They're just Arab animals, after all.


8/10

This will get a few bites


Naw, Apik0r0s is for real.

Unfortunately.
 
2013-08-26 07:13:23 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.

Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?

You've haven't read it yet, have you?


Is that an admission that you were wrong?
 
2013-08-26 07:13:49 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Captain Steroid: This is going to suck. >_<

We are a few sternly worded letters away from any action, at the least


I hope so. I'd really rather not have this turn into WWIII after we get involved against Assad leading China and Russia to get involved on Assad's side, and given the military prowess of some of our "allies", and the general feelings about us after the Spying thing, as well as 8 years of Bush, I'm not sure we could count on anyone but maybe Britain to back us up. Which means that, in all likelihood, despite possibly being technologically greater, we'd probably lose based on sheer numbers. Not to mention, you'd have the anti-American middle eastern factions piling on as well.

We're just not ready for another fight. We don't have the leadership or the resources to go toe to toe with a big force in a classic war for any length of time, not without some pretty big help from other nations...and really, besides China and Russia, who else is there? India?  They don't have the resources to go to war any more than we do. And herein lies the crux of our problem: We (and by we I mean Bush* and everyone who supported/mislead him depending on whom you believe the narrative from) blew a lot of the preparedness and fighting readiness by going on a campaign of liberation in Iraq and Afghanistan in a ham-fisted attempt to get "the terrorists". I was right there supporting it at the beginning.

Right now, considering the pace and dynamics of the battlefield something like Syria would involve if it turned into a bigger conflict (and unless Russia and China are all talk and no action, I don't see how they could not step in to support Assad along with the Iranians), I just don't see this as a winning proposition.  in fact, in my worst nightmares, it stars out as a simple depose-the-dictator-and-white-knight-for-the-rebellion and then turns into a giant escalation where our tactical choices go from which bombs to load onto the drones to how young do we want to draft and just how many nukes can we use without totally farking up the planet?

So, maybe a llot of this is paranoia, and maybe none of that will happen. But given our choices are the known of letting the two sides duke it out and stay the fark out of it or wading in like an idiot again with unpredictable results...god help me, let them kill each other and leave us out of it.
 
2013-08-26 07:13:57 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is also a fact a large convoy of trucks left Iraq and went to Syria as we ginned up the invasion. I'm sure it was just food and t-shirts. I can't ask you to prove a negative, I only have my suspicions and some extremely interesting coincidences.

[540x406 from http://lochgarry.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/stv.jpg image 540x406]

Then why did the Bush Administration shrug its' shoulders at Saddam's missing WMDs instead of shouting from the hills that they were all now in Syria?


You'll have to ask them. It's a fair query.
 
2013-08-26 07:13:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Daedalus27: Question:  Why is it different if a person is killed by poison gas compared with say, a rocket, a sniper shot, run over by a tank, or killed by a mine?

Far more people have been killed by conventional methods in this conflict, what is so magical in peoples mind about choking to death or having you nervous system shut down over a shot to the head or chest that bleeds you out?  Both are horrible ways to die, but the world is outraged about gas being used while bullets simply receive a shrug of shoulders. Civil wars are horrible things, but if the situation wasn't worthy our involvement two weeks ago, I simply don't see what makes things all that different this week.  If we are going to respond, it should be limited to minor strikes on CCCI sites and maybe his air force.  You absolutely don't want to target the chemical weapons themselves as that could release them and kill many individuals downwind.

Chemical weapons are banned because they tend to have more collateral damage than traditional weapons.  Targeting civilians is always against the rules of war, but it's understood that sometimes there will be civilian deaths when engaging legitimate military targets.  Chemical and biological agents are considered to put civilians at too high a risk however.


I understand the theory behind it, but then again this is a civil war where arguably the civilians are also a part of the rebellion and providing aid and comfort to his foes and if the rebels are firing from civilian areas, it can become a legitimate military target. Of course the use should be proportionate but this conflict has moved toward the WW2 concepts of total war. Sure it is a war crime, but to be tried they have to survive and with the present forces, chances are the loser is going to be killed by the victor so there is less of an incentive to hold back.

And again it goes back to the point where if I fire a scud into a rebel held area killing dozens and injuring many (an act that has occurred repeatedly during this conflict), there isn't much of any reaction anywhere.  But lob a few dozen chemical rounds causing similar death and destruction and suddenly everyone stands up and makes noise (maybe not this chemical attack, but the earlier one which resulted in fewer deaths).  Effects are seemingly overlooked and only the means of causing death are focused on.  Ultimately it doesn't matter how they are dying whether it is incinerated in a nuclear blast, poisoned by gas, or blown up in a artillery barrage, your just as dead either way.
 
2013-08-26 07:14:43 PM  

21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.

Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?

You've haven't read it yet, have you?

Is that an admission that you were wrong?


No, it's an admission that you don't have the foggiest f*cking clue what you are talking about.
 
2013-08-26 07:18:43 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: dr_blasto: OK, then. I guess I'll just stick with what we actually have evidence to support.

Sure, facts. *chortle*......It is a fact nothing was found in Iraq. It is also a fact a large convoy of trucks left Iraq and went to Syria as we ginned up the invasion. I'm sure it was just food and t-shirts. I can't ask you to prove a negative, I only have my suspicions and some extremely interesting coincidences. It's ok, call me a nut. I don't care.  The Sarin came from somewhere, close. That is also a fact.


Sarin has a shelf life measured in weeks.
 
2013-08-26 07:20:04 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.

Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?

You've haven't read it yet, have you?

Is that an admission that you were wrong?

No, it's an admission that you don't have the foggiest f*cking clue what you are talking about.


Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about and thought all the rebels were Al Qaeda.
 
2013-08-26 07:20:05 PM  
I propose doing nothing, but issuing a strongly worded letter condemning the attacks.  That is the one and only way that America could really contribute anything without killing lots more people that don't need killin'.
 
2013-08-26 07:21:13 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: You'll have to ask them. It's a fair query.


Considering the intelligence apparatus at their disposal, that such a fact would have saved them a ton of face, and that there's no logical reason for Saddam to truck his chemical weapons stockpile to Syria while the combined military might of the United States and friends are playing for keeps, I'm going to stick with the conclusion that your fair query is as horseshiat as truther and birther conspiracies.
 
2013-08-26 07:21:29 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel

Sarin shelf-life, curveball, the make-up of the rebels - you're totally clueless, aren't you?
 
2013-08-26 07:23:22 PM  

21-7-b: Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about and thought all the rebels were Al Qaeda.


i for one fully admit that I believed the Rebels were mostly Islamists.
 
2013-08-26 07:23:57 PM  

21-7-b: Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about and thought all the rebels were Al Qaeda.


i for one fully admit that I believed the Rebels were mostly Islamists.  (doesn't change my opinion on getting involved, however).
 
2013-08-26 07:25:38 PM  

21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.

Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?

You've haven't read it yet, have you?

Is that an admission that you were wrong?

No, it's an admission that you don't have the foggiest f*cking clue what you are talking about.

Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about and thought all the rebels were Al Qaeda.


I didn't say 'all', don't move the posts.  To deny the rebels in Syria don't have AQ's help is just stupid, and I don't think you're stupid.
 
2013-08-26 07:25:49 PM  
Oh, John Kerry said it.

Is the imaged seared... SEARED... into his brain?
 
2013-08-26 07:26:47 PM  

Flab: Apik0r0s is for real.


QFT
 
2013-08-26 07:27:34 PM  

russsssman: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah.. Neither did the Holocaust. We shoulda just let the Jews figure it out, down to the last one.


1. Japan bombed Perl Harbor
2. Germany, being an ally of Japan, declared war upon the United States

That actually did concern us. This Syria thing, we have nothing in it
 
2013-08-26 07:27:40 PM  

russsssman: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah.. Neither did the Holocaust. We shoulda just let the Jews figure it out, down to the last one.


You do know that the Sunni extremists fighting Asad consider his Alawite supporters to be heretics, and have called for their extermination, right?

By attacking Asad, Obama is basically signing their death warrant.
 
2013-08-26 07:28:33 PM  
"I really screwed the world with World War II, enjoying the repercussions?"
www.thedailyrash.com
 
2013-08-26 07:29:11 PM  

karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?


No, this is the one where we blindly support everything Obama does because we have tied our self esteem to his performance.
 
2013-08-26 07:29:14 PM  
Why am I supposed to care about Syria again?
 
2013-08-26 07:29:47 PM  

Kit Fister: 21-7-b: Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about and thought all the rebels were Al Qaeda.

i for one fully admit that I believed the Rebels were mostly Islamists.


If you feel like reading up
 
2013-08-26 07:30:43 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Lt. Cheese Weasel: 21-7-b: Al Qaeda is using the uprising to further its own agenda. We need to ensure that our actions don't further their agenda. Done right, though, weakening Assad can also weaken Al Qaeda

Well now, there is the crux of the biscuit. The rebellion is clearly aligned to AQ. There is no doubt of that.  Assad is propped by Pooty Poot and Iran. 'Done right' in this case = doing nothing.  We can hope the rebels get in a few licks and take Assad out. And some other hat in the Syrian Military takes over and squashes the rebels and can appease the Islamo nutters long enough for some back room bargains. Sadly, our bargainer is Obama and he's not good at this.  Putin is. It's not like we held any sway before in Syria, but maybe the russians can talk some sense to these idiots.  Iran is basically checked by Israel. If Iran does anything outwardly agressive, the Jews will crash that crap, and Putin knows he can do nothing outwardly agressive about it.  Proxy v Proxy....

What does "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" mean?

Gee, too confusing huh? The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.
Read this.

Well, I thought i thought that anyone with a passing knowledge understood that the Al Qaeda element came late to the Syrian party and that their contingent is pretty small, eg Al Nusra - Strength 6,000 compared to Free Syrian Army - a separate entity - Size 80,000. So, I am confused as to what you meant by "the rebellion is clearly aligned to Al Qaeda" ?

You've haven't read it yet, have you?

Is that an admission that you were wrong?

No, it's an admission that you don't have the foggiest f*cking clue what you are talking about.

Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about and thought all the rebels were Al Qaeda.

I didn't say 'all', don't move the posts.  To deny the rebels in Syria don't have AQ's help is just stupid, and I don't think you're stupid.


Check out the link i posted for kit
 
2013-08-26 07:31:27 PM  

Mouser: By attacking Asad, Obama is basically signing their death warrant.


No, he's just executing the warrant that was signed in Tel Aviv and given to him by J Street.
 
2013-08-26 07:31:31 PM  
I'm just waiting to post the headline, "Obama has been nearly identical to Bush in many areas, but at least he hasn't started multiple wars."
 
2013-08-26 07:34:15 PM  

cman: russsssman: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah.. Neither did the Holocaust. We shoulda just let the Jews figure it out, down to the last one.

1. Japan bombed Perl Harbor
2. Germany, being an ally of Japan, declared war upon the United States

That actually did concern us. This Syria thing, we have nothing in it


semicomplete.com
 
2013-08-26 07:34:19 PM  
Thanks Bush!

farking asshole.

This shiat never would have happened if we'd all voted for Obama years ago.
 
2013-08-26 07:34:23 PM  

basemetal: make me some tea: basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

The videos showed a whole bunch of dead people.

Still want to know what kind of gas.


we'll know soon enough.  doctors on the ground say its a nerve agent for sure and the UN inspectors finally got some blood an tissue samples after being sniped at
 
2013-08-26 07:34:51 PM  

BMFPitt: I'm just waiting to post the headline, "Obama has been nearly identical to Bush in many areas, but at least he hasn't started multiple wars."


Obama seems to finish wars rather than start them, but whatever
 
2013-08-26 07:34:58 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Lt. Cheese Weasel: You'll have to ask them. It's a fair query.

Considering the intelligence apparatus at their disposal, that such a fact would have saved them a ton of face, and that there's no logical reason for Saddam to truck his chemical weapons stockpile to Syria while the combined military might of the United States and friends are playing for keeps, I'm going to stick with the conclusion that your fair query is as horseshiat as truther and birther conspiracies.


If you really wanted to be cynical about it, you could say that they knew and didn't say anything because no one would really care if we attacked Iraq and it would allow us to go back in and get the guy Daddy failed to get, while if we said something, we'd have to deal with not only not being able to justify a war with Iraq, but also have to deal with Syria's allies should we ever have considered military action.  The fact that they kept with their lame story and never deviated to proclaim "lol we showed up at Saddam's palace, but all we found was this dude with a mushroom on his head saying that the WMDs were in another castle", however, puts the lie to it because either we didn't know they were moved (which would be a huge screwup by the Intelligence agencies if it were true), or the whole thing is a steaming pile to begin with and there were *gasp* no WMDs left in Iraq and Bush just wanted to play soldier in a bigger sandbox.

Unfortunately, I think we'll never know what actually happened that convinced Bush to go to hell and back to instigate a war with Iraq of all places, since we profited nothing by our excursion.
 
2013-08-26 07:35:24 PM  

cman: karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?

This is the thread in which conservatives and liberals of all sort band together for the greater good


0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-08-26 07:35:39 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: cman: russsssman: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah.. Neither did the Holocaust. We shoulda just let the Jews figure it out, down to the last one.

1. Japan bombed Perl Harbor
2. Germany, being an ally of Japan, declared war upon the United States

That actually did concern us. This Syria thing, we have nothing in it

[700x473 from http://semicomplete.com/presentations/logstash-puppetconf-2012/images/ xkcd-perl.png image 700x473]


My web browser has autocorrect for spelling mistakes.

Unfortunately it does not yet have one for context spelling mistakes
 
2013-08-26 07:38:19 PM  

Giltric: We should delay getting involved for as long as possible. The more of them that kill each other the better.



the only thing worth preserving there was the Aleppo Souk.  and since thats burned....
 
2013-08-26 07:39:37 PM  

21-7-b: BMFPitt: I'm just waiting to post the headline, "Obama has been nearly identical to Bush in many areas, but at least he hasn't started multiple wars."

Obama seems to finish wars rather than start them, but whatever


To be fair, he really hasn't faced an opportunity that would really have put him to the test in that regard. He inherited two police actions and a shiatload of poor decisions from his predecessor, and other than using some bombs in Libya where no real intervention was needed, we haven't seen a case where it was even remotely justified.

The true test here is to see whether Obama follows in Bush's footsteps and declares that because WMDs, we must invade; or whether he decides that the political fallout from spearheading yet another intervention would only put one of the last nails in the US's coffin and thus stay the fark out of it unless or until the UN as a whole chose to act with military force -- and even then, hopefully opts to donate a few bombs, some jet fuel, and real-world ordnance delivery training of pilots to the cause instead of boots on the ground.

/holy shiat, I'm turning into a democrat.
//god help me.
 
2013-08-26 07:40:18 PM  

Grandmaster_Slapnuts: [850x478 from http://rstvideo.com/trailer/files/2011/10/team-america-world-police2.j pg image 850x478]

Comin' again to save the mother-farkin' day.

/hot


About time
 
2013-08-26 07:42:05 PM  
A total crock of shiat and a complete lie.
 
2013-08-26 07:43:50 PM  
Maybe we should send Kerry to go check. Go Kerry, go go go.
 
2013-08-26 07:44:03 PM  

Kit Fister: 21-7-b: BMFPitt: I'm just waiting to post the headline, "Obama has been nearly identical to Bush in many areas, but at least he hasn't started multiple wars."

Obama seems to finish wars rather than start them, but whatever

To be fair, he really hasn't faced an opportunity that would really have put him to the test in that regard. He inherited two police actions and a shiatload of poor decisions from his predecessor, and other than using some bombs in Libya where no real intervention was needed, we haven't seen a case where it was even remotely justified.

The true test here is to see whether Obama follows in Bush's footsteps and declares that because WMDs, we must invade; or whether he decides that the political fallout from spearheading yet another intervention would only put one of the last nails in the US's coffin and thus stay the fark out of it unless or until the UN as a whole chose to act with military force -- and even then, hopefully opts to donate a few bombs, some jet fuel, and real-world ordnance delivery training of pilots to the cause instead of boots on the ground.

/holy shiat, I'm turning into a democrat.
//god help me.


You're going to have to see past the UN. Did you read the link i posted for you?
 
2013-08-26 07:46:38 PM  

pacified: cman: karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?

This is the thread in which conservatives and liberals of all sort band together for the greater good

[597x392 from http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1340/03/134003954115 9.jpg image 597x392]


I think the sane people on both sides of the aisle have figured out that the only thing that comes from trying to get involved in the middle east is pain, suffering, and death, only to be further bled dry by the oil barons. 'Tis truly a cursed place, and one best left to rot.

/i propose we compromise with the Palestinians and just give Florida to the Israelis. Win-Win for everyone.
 
2013-08-26 07:46:53 PM  

dr_blasto: Lt. Cheese Weasel: dr_blasto: OK, then. I guess I'll just stick with what we actually have evidence to support.

Sure, facts. *chortle*......It is a fact nothing was found in Iraq. It is also a fact a large convoy of trucks left Iraq and went to Syria as we ginned up the invasion. I'm sure it was just food and t-shirts. I can't ask you to prove a negative, I only have my suspicions and some extremely interesting coincidences. It's ok, call me a nut. I don't care.  The Sarin came from somewhere, close. That is also a fact.

Sarin has a shelf life measured in weeks.


That's why it is stored as a binary weapon-- the two parts are mixed only when it is to be deployed.
 
2013-08-26 07:48:09 PM  
They've been spreading this bullshiat about Syria for weeks now, trying as hard as they can to get everyone fired up about something. They made up this shiat about chemical weapons to get the people riled the same exact way they lied about WMDs. We bought it then, should we really buy it now? They're LYING to us. They're chomping at the bit to invade Syria, any chance they can get. It's all lies. Do NOT believe it. I have no idea what they WANT in Syria, but the fact is, they're going no matter what the reason. I'm so sick of this bullshiat. I saw it coming WEEKS ago.
 
2013-08-26 07:48:21 PM  

21-7-b: You're going to have to see past the UN. Did you read the link i posted for you?


i did, and I'm not sure what relevance it has to the proposition of just staying the hell out of the entire region?
 
2013-08-26 07:50:36 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it. And Putin didn't give it to them. Neither did Iran.


Presenting facts not in evidence.
 
2013-08-26 07:51:43 PM  

bwilson27: They've been spreading this bullshiat about Syria for weeks now, trying as hard as they can to get everyone fired up about something. They made up this shiat about chemical weapons to get the people riled the same exact way they lied about WMDs. We bought it then, should we really buy it now? They're LYING to us. They're chomping at the bit to invade Syria, any chance they can get. It's all lies. Do NOT believe it. I have no idea what they WANT in Syria, but the fact is, they're going no matter what the reason. I'm so sick of this bullshiat. I saw it coming WEEKS ago.


Oh no, I don't think they're Lying to us, I don't see what benefit it gets them when they know that acting against the ally of two major powers (and one which owns most of the US's debt and an increasing portion of our business interests) and I doubt they're so foolish as to believe that neither of Syria's biggest allies will get involved if we just scream WMDs as lout as we can before we rush in.

I think it's very likely someone somewhere in Syria let off some chemical weapons.

I just don't think that the majority of the people -- or the President -- have the stomach to run full-tilt into another war, despite what the goons like Kerry are pushing. So far, Obama's kept himself out of the scrum of people calling for us to go military on Syria, and for that he's earned just a little bit of respect from me.
 
2013-08-26 07:56:32 PM  
Hey, why so Syrious?
 
2013-08-26 07:56:35 PM  
Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.
 
2013-08-26 07:58:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Disgruntled Goat: And if it turns out that the rebels also used them...?

The UN (backed by the US), should be enforcing a mandatory ceasefire on both sides, and killing any who don't comply.


And just how the fark is that supposed to ever happen in a world where Russia has veto power on the UN and happens to be supporting the Assad regiem?
 
2013-08-26 07:59:11 PM  
If we start bombing now Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and General Dynamics profit margins should look pretty phat by October.  Also they will be able to report some healthy projected earnings for the coming year.
 
2013-08-26 07:59:23 PM  

2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it. And Putin didn't give it to them. Neither did Iran.

Presenting facts not in evidence.


Lt Cheese Weasel, let me spell it out for you:

A lot of nations have or can produce the type of chemical weapons supposedly used in Syria. Saddam supposedly had such weapons, but we never found any proof of them, just piles of old, inert, useless scrap that once had been.  Syria has such weapons, and is allied with a lot of nations which produce and/or could procure them.

Since we have yet to find hard, hands-on evidence of the source of these weapons, and since we really only have some second hand documentation on the attack, we don't have enough information to even say that Assad was the one responsible for it, let alone where he might have gotten the weapons. It's not like we're in a position to go all CSI on it, if we could even determine from any remaining traces where the chemical was made. Maybe if we were talking about something a little more complicated than an easily homemade substance, like, say, a particular strain of Smallpox or Anthrax or something, we might have a chance at tracing it back to a lab where it was grown. But, far as I know, Sarin is a pretty simple gas to produce in a simple lab.

/Disclaimer for the NSA: I am not, nor I have ever studied the production of any chemical, biological, or radiological agents for tactical delivery, nor have i any interest in further speculation or research on the ability to produce same. I am a simple meat popsicle.
 
2013-08-26 08:00:22 PM  

Apik0r0s: Mouser: By attacking Asad, Obama is basically signing their death warrant.

No, he's just executing the warrant that was signed in Tel Aviv and given to him by J Street.


Yes, the Jew is using the Black as muscle against me, got it.

You know, I'm not half as offended by your bigotry as I am by your ignorance of religious history.  Sunni and Shi'a Muslims have been killing each other in that part of the world for centuries before Zionism was even thought of.  If you'd bother to crack a book, you'd know this.

But no, all you and your brain-dead Stormfront buddies can come up with is "it's de ebbil j00z fault!"  It's pathetic, really.
 
2013-08-26 08:00:26 PM  
Does Syria even HAVE oil??  Let's get our priorities straight here, people.

[X]  Humanitarian crisis

[  ]  Exploitable resource*

*The war will pay for itself, no joke!!
 
2013-08-26 08:00:45 PM  

Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.


No bombs need to fall. In fact, Bombs need to be farking eliminated altogether. This is NOT cowboys and Indians, it's the real world.
Take all your overgrown infants away, somewhere, and build them a home....
 
2013-08-26 08:02:18 PM  

Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.


In that region of the world, we already have zero credibility. I refer you to the previous Iraq campaign which hoodwinked the entire world and ended up with major egg all over our face, and our general behavior in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Lebanon, Israel, etc. etc. etc. going back decades.

So, basically, all we get out of it is even MORE crap if we go in guns blazing without taking a second to realize what exactly the outcome might be.
 
2013-08-26 08:06:31 PM  
Please keep Kerry away from the big boys games. He almost sounds like he is parroting what Israel told him to say. Yes I know its Syria, but gotta expand the empire after Palestine is wiped out. Plus Israel has already attacked, so.... Bomb Israel in retaliation?

A unstable Middle East is best for manipulators of the people of the Middle East.

/Show us evidence of who actually used the stuff and we will do something that does not involve another 3 trillion dollars.
 
2013-08-26 08:07:24 PM  

bwilson27: Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.

No bombs need to fall. In fact, Bombs need to be farking eliminated altogether. This is NOT cowboys and Indians, it's the real world.
Take all your overgrown infants away, somewhere, and build them a home....


There may some day be a time when war is no longer needed, but we are far, far from that time.  I doubt that man will ever, without a major change to our species on the biological level, be completely free of violence or the baser natures that drive men like Hitler, Assad, etc. to do great evil to one another.  Hell, as long as humans continue to see differences of opinion as a reason to go to loud words and blows, or one neighbor finds reason to covet another's possessions, this kind of shiat will continue to happen.

All we can do is to actively prepare for peace while remaining vigilant and prepared to defend ourselves if necessary.
 
2013-08-26 08:10:42 PM  
You  know what else is undeniable?

 i10.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-26 08:11:24 PM  

Kit Fister: Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.

In that region of the world, we already have zero credibility. I refer you to the previous Iraq campaign which hoodwinked the entire world and ended up with major egg all over our face, and our general behavior in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Lebanon, Israel, etc. etc. etc. going back decades.

So, basically, all we get out of it is even MORE crap if we go in guns blazing without taking a second to realize what exactly the outcome might be.


You think we don't have any credibility in the middle east?  We gained no new friends, but we have plenty of credibility.  One attack on new york brought 2 invasions and over a decade of war, with lots of bodies everywhere...  I think we have gained a kind of credibility...  The kind that says bad shiats gonna happen if you make us come over there...
 
2013-08-26 08:14:56 PM  
Nobody, and I mean nobody, (especially not liberals) cares about Libya anymore - even though it's now a lawless jihadi war zone, more or less run by the Muslim Brotherhood.  However, it was useful for the dutiful state-media leading up to the last election, as it lasted months, not weeks.  'Operation Re-Election' created a lot of those neat commander-in-chief headlines that lead off the evening news (Slick Willy's 'Monica missiles' did the same thing).

Needless to say, there's no reporting on Libya anymore.

Syria will be useful in the exact same way.  The real budget fight is coming up in September.  The government has run out of money again and a large number of Republican lawmakers are refusing to pass a budget that funds Obamacare.

I would expect that the bombing will begin soon and will last as long as necessary for the state-media to remind the public that we must 'rally around the war-time president' and dispense with 'silly partisan bickering' when our troops are in harm's way.


/I WILL be proven right...
 
2013-08-26 08:16:12 PM  

Daedalus27: Effects are seemingly overlooked and only the means of causing death are focused on.  Ultimately it doesn't matter how they are dying whether it is incinerated in a nuclear blast, poisoned by gas, or blown up in a artillery barrage, your just as dead either way.


So if the Ciberido Liberation Front were to kidnap you and decree your execution for crimes against Ciberidism, and the executioner gave you the choice of being shot in the head or burned at the stake, you'd just shrug and say, "Doesn't matter to me!  I'm just as dead either way.  Kill me any way you like."

And you think every single person who's ever died in war feels the same way, right?
 
2013-08-26 08:16:40 PM  

Maul555: Kit Fister: Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.

In that region of the world, we already have zero credibility. I refer you to the previous Iraq campaign which hoodwinked the entire world and ended up with major egg all over our face, and our general behavior in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Lebanon, Israel, etc. etc. etc. going back decades.

So, basically, all we get out of it is even MORE crap if we go in guns blazing without taking a second to realize what exactly the outcome might be.

You think we don't have any credibility in the middle east?  We gained no new friends, but we have plenty of credibility.  One attack on new york brought 2 invasions and over a decade of war, with lots of bodies everywhere...  I think we have gained a kind of credibility...  The kind that says bad shiats gonna happen if you make us come over there...


How's that workin out?
 
2013-08-26 08:19:46 PM  

Giltric: Yeah...odds are we had assets in country for weeksdecades already.


ftfy
 
2013-08-26 08:20:11 PM  
Such a bullshiat casus bellum.
Assad has won so now we need to liberate Syria's government into dust.
I miss being a kid and liking the idea of my country
 
2013-08-26 08:21:24 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Maybe we should send Kerry to go check. Go Kerry, go go go.


Biden can drive his Trans Am there.
 
2013-08-26 08:22:28 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: the bombing will begin soon


Or just skip the bombing and use those funds for keeping U.S. citizens healthy.
 
2013-08-26 08:24:00 PM  

Kit Fister: 21-7-b: You're going to have to see past the UN. Did you read the link i posted for you?

i did, and I'm not sure what relevance it has to the proposition of just staying the hell out of the entire region?


I posted the link because you claimed to be ignorant of the role of al qaeda in syria. The link gives more information about that. You didn't comment on it and still don't seem to want to

However, as it happens, the link concludes:

These initial reactions do not bode well for Jabhat Nusra's continued popularity. This leaves a brief window through which other more secular opposition groups may be able to assert a counter-authority if they are able to demonstrate the same level of operational effectiveness as Jabhat Nusra. This effectiveness also extends to civilian governance, as Jabhat Nusra is now also competitive in this space as well. The U.S. alongside the larger international community should look to capitalize on the potential backlash and empower a force that will be able to compete with Jabhat Nusra. The recent announcements underscore the growing confidence of radical and jihadist elements fighting in Syria, and provide a glimpse of what could be the future for Syria if more is not done to cultivate a moderate alternative.


Which, as it turns out, should also inform your understanding of one part of the case for intervention. I suppose the reality is that it is just one more thing for you to ignore

The conflict has waged for two and a half years and yet you thought Iran was backing the rebels, who you thought were all Al Qaeda. You are obviously totally disinterested in the conflict and geopolitics - that seems irrefutable - and just want to ignore it. Why don't you just say that rather than acting as though you have anything to contribute beyond "I'm Kit Fister, I have no interest in Syria or world affairs, and I think America shouldn't get involved in these things." It's a perfectly legitimate position to hold
 
2013-08-26 08:24:10 PM  
Fark libs that defend Obama on stuff like this, crack me up.  Bunch of farking hypocrites.  Not that I'm keeping score, but I've seen Obama defended on:

NSA spying on American citizens (It was Bush)
Drone strikes on American citizens (they had it coming)
Raiding more medical marijuana facilities than 8 years of  Bush (he was only enforcing the law never mind that he's issued a memo skirting the laws on immigration).
Use of Military in Libya without Congressional approval (it wasn't war!)
And now he's beating the war drum and you're gleefully beating it with him.
Going after whistleblowers (dirty traitors).

I really hate the GOP but liberals folding like a deck of cards on principles I used to think were important to you...piss me off as much as the GOP now.  You have no principles that are sacred anymore.  Stop justifying it because it's YOUR guy.
 
2013-08-26 08:25:03 PM  
Knock knock...

Who's there?

www.photoandwallpapers.com
 FREEDOM.
 
2013-08-26 08:30:41 PM  

Brontes: Nobel Peace prizes don't earn themselves


Winner.

Though, I honestly would have gone with:
Economies don't jump-start themselves without a good war...
 
2013-08-26 08:35:04 PM  
How about we just sit this one out.  I mean completely sit it out.  Don't supply arms to either side.  Don't send a missle against anyone.  Don't even condemn anyone.  Do fark all nothing.  When asked about it, our only response is, "not our problem."

Because every time we try to help we end up with a bunch of major assholes in power who hate us so much that they supply bombs to terrorists to use against us.  Fark 'em.  Let them kill each other off, then maybe someone more peaceful will move into the now empty county.
 
2013-08-26 08:36:11 PM  

21-7-b: Kit Fister: 21-7-b: You're going to have to see past the UN. Did you read the link i posted for you?

i did, and I'm not sure what relevance it has to the proposition of just staying the hell out of the entire region?

I posted the link because you claimed to be ignorant of the role of al qaeda in syria. The link gives more information about that. You didn't comment on it and still don't seem to want to

However, as it happens, the link concludes:

These initial reactions do not bode well for Jabhat Nusra's continued popularity. This leaves a brief window through which other more secular opposition groups may be able to assert a counter-authority if they are able to demonstrate the same level of operational effectiveness as Jabhat Nusra. This effectiveness also extends to civilian governance, as Jabhat Nusra is now also competitive in this space as well. The U.S. alongside the larger international community should look to capitalize on the potential backlash and empower a force that will be able to compete with Jabhat Nusra. The recent announcements underscore the growing confidence of radical and jihadist elements fighting in Syria, and provide a glimpse of what could be the future for Syria if more is not done to cultivate a moderate alternative.

Which, as it turns out, should also inform your understanding of one part of the case for intervention. I suppose the reality is that it is just one more thing for you to ignore

The conflict has waged for two and a half years and yet you thought Iran was backing the rebels, who you thought were all Al Qaeda. You are obviously totally disinterested in the conflict and geopolitics - that seems irrefutable - and just want to ignore it. Why don't you just say that rather than acting as though you have anything to contribute beyond "I'm Kit Fister, I have no interest in Syria or world affairs, and I think America shouldn't get involved in these things." It's a perfectly legitimate position to hold


Fair enough. My question to you, then, is whether it is worth the lives and treasure for us to go in and support the rebels, ensuring this group is taken care of as well, or is it more important that the US remain out of it for the well being of our nation?

I am disinterested in this conflict, and even more so know a lot of soldiers farked up by our last wars who are the human face of what happens when you attack for no good reason.

In this case, I don't think our intervention, outside of as part of a UN force perhaps, is worth the cost for us.

Then again, this whole thing is shaping up to be everything we said Iraq was. So, maybe I'm wrong.
 
2013-08-26 08:36:12 PM  

bwilson27: Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.

No bombs need to fall. In fact, Bombs need to be farking eliminated altogether. This is NOT cowboys and Indians, it's the real world.
Take all your overgrown infants away, somewhere, and build them a home....


It's funny that you comment that this is the real world, but in the same thought talk about how bombs need to be eliminated altogether.  Cuz...that's the real world?
 
2013-08-26 08:38:08 PM  

Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.


4.bp.blogspot.com
Syria, when the bombs fell.
 
2013-08-26 08:42:12 PM  

Maul555: Lost Thought 00: Disgruntled Goat: And if it turns out that the rebels also used them...?

The UN (backed by the US), should be enforcing a mandatory ceasefire on both sides, and killing any who don't comply.

And just how the fark is that supposed to ever happen in a world where Russia has veto power on the UN and happens to be supporting the Assad regiem?


You bribe Russia, obviously
 
2013-08-26 08:42:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 08:42:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 08:44:33 PM  
 
2013-08-26 08:49:09 PM  

OgreMagi: How about we just sit this one out.  I mean completely sit it out.  Don't supply arms to either side.  Don't send a missle against anyone.  Don't even condemn anyone.  Do fark all nothing.



Too late.  Our precious little king has already decreed that 'Assad has to go'.The CIA is already arming and training the 'rebels', including Al Qaeda (shhhh... that's a phony scandal, so don't tell anybody).  Red line after red line has been drawn in both Syria and Iran - and both are gleefully hopping over them with mocking laughter.

And as any rodeo clown can tell you, our precious little king does not like to be laughed at...
 
2013-08-26 08:54:53 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Nobody, and I mean nobody, (especially not liberals) cares about Libya anymore - even though it's now a lawless jihadi war zone, more or less run by the Muslim Brotherhood.  However, it was useful for the dutiful state-media leading up to the last election, as it lasted months, not weeks.  'Operation Re-Election' created a lot of those neat commander-in-chief headlines that lead off the evening news (Slick Willy's 'Monica missiles' did the same thing).

Needless to say, there's no reporting on Libya anymore.

Syria will be useful in the exact same way.  The real budget fight is coming up in September.  The government has run out of money again and a large number of Republican lawmakers are refusing to pass a budget that funds Obamacare.

I would expect that the bombing will begin soon and will last as long as necessary for the state-media to remind the public that we must 'rally around the war-time president' and dispense with 'silly partisan bickering' when our troops are in harm's way.


/I WILL be proven right...


I would expect that your death will be from auto-erotic asphyxiation while looking at a collage of Ayn Rand and Ronald Reagan press clippings.

/I will be just as right as you.
 
2013-08-26 08:59:23 PM  

2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it. And Putin didn't give it to them. Neither did Iran.

Presenting facts not in evidence.


You mean like Bush going after Iraq to bulge his pocketbook? Sure....
 
2013-08-26 09:01:20 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it. And Putin didn't give it to them. Neither did Iran.

Presenting facts not in evidence.

You mean like Bush going after Iraq to bulge his pocketbook? Sure....


You continue to try to change the subject.

Have a nice day.
 
2013-08-26 09:01:39 PM  
Is this the thread where all the Obamabots say "YES! LET'S GO" and all the teaparty patriots call Obama a warmongering baby killer?
 
2013-08-26 09:01:39 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 2wolves: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They didn't make it. And Putin didn't give it to them. Neither did Iran.

Presenting facts not in evidence.

You mean like Bush going after Iraq to bulge his pocketbook? Sure....


Hmmm I guess its true that an abundance of weed does make you paranoid.
 
2013-08-26 09:06:48 PM  

Heron: SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?

I seem to recall a story revealing  CIA "trainers" working with the rebels coming out 6 months to a year ago, but that could be my brain making crap up. Too lazy to check the intertubes :p



How about  a report from this past week?

Jerusalem Post

Report: Syrian rebel forces trained by West are moving towards Damascus

QUOTES:

"Guerrilla fighters trained by the West began moving towards Damascus in mid-August, French newspaper Le Figaro reported on Thursday.

Le Figaro reported that this is the reason behind the Assad regime's alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus on Wednesday morning, as UN inspectors were allowed into the country to investigate allegations of WMD use.

"The rebels were trained for several months in a training camp on the Jordanian-Syrian border by CIA operatives, as well as Jordanian and Israeli commandos, the paper said.

"The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers crossed the border on August 17 into the Deraa region, and a second group was deployed on August 19, the paper reported.

END QUOTES

Gather 'round, kids! It's Amos' Famous CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!!!

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 Note the dates?

CIA and Mossad trained operatives depart the Syrian/Jordan border on August 17th and 19th, headed toward DAMASCUS.

COINCIDENTALLY, a massive chemical weapon is detonated on August 21, on the outskirts of where? DAMASCUS.

AND CURIOUSLY the US and Israel seemed to know IMMEDIATELY that there HAD been a CW attack, AND blamed AssadCo.


Now, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT sayin' that this was necessarily a "false-flag" attacked designed to set up a US invasion of Syria!

All I'm sayin' is, that if it WAS a false flag attack, we have a pretty good idea of who MIGHT have had SOMETHING to do with pulling it off.

Don't ya think???


/God Bless us, EVERY ONE!
 
2013-08-26 09:07:11 PM  

Savage Belief: Is this the thread where all the Obamabots say "YES! LET'S GO" and all the teaparty patriots call Obama a warmongering baby killer?


No, I think this is the thread where every sane person sits down and soberly admits to the rrealities of war and truly weighs the costs. Before A-stan and Iraq II, we only knew, dimly, war as a fun exercise of sport during Iraq I, since we weren't heavily participating in Serbia and Blackhawk down was just a movie to most people. We didn't get that war is neither fun nor worthwhile save for the most extreme of circumstances.

We can go balls out into Syria but I believe it would be ill advised and demands a much greater sense of tact on our part.
 
2013-08-26 09:09:27 PM  

Amos Quito: Heron: SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?

I seem to recall a story revealing  CIA "trainers" working with the rebels coming out 6 months to a year ago, but that could be my brain making crap up. Too lazy to check the intertubes :p


How about  a report from this past week?

Jerusalem Post

Report: Syrian rebel forces trained by West are moving towards Damascus

QUOTES:

"Guerrilla fighters trained by the West began moving towards Damascus in mid-August, French newspaper Le Figaro reported on Thursday.

Le Figaro reported that this is the reason behind the Assad regime's alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus on Wednesday morning, as UN inspectors were allowed into the country to investigate allegations of WMD use.

"The rebels were trained for several months in a training camp on the Jordanian-Syrian border by CIA operatives, as well as Jordanian and Israeli commandos, the paper said.

"The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers crossed the border on August 17 into the Deraa region, and a second group was deployed on August 19, the paper reported.

END QUOTES

Gather 'round, kids! It's Amos' Famous CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!!!

 Note the dates?

CIA and Mossad trained operatives depart the Syrian/Jordan border on August 17th and 19th, headed toward DAMASCUS.

COINCIDENTALLY, a massive chemical weapon is detonated on August 21, on the outskirts of where? DAMASCUS.

AND CURIOUSLY the US and Israel seemed to know IMMEDIATELY that there HAD been a CW attack, AND blamed AssadCo.


Now, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT sayin' that this was necessarily a "false-flag" attacked designed to set up a US invasion of Syria!

All I'm sayin' is, that if it WAS a false flag attack, we have a pretty good idea of who MIGHT have had SOMETHING to do with pulling it off.

Don't ya think???


/God Bless us, EVERY ONE!


So, vote republicrat?
 
2013-08-26 09:13:05 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.


I read the link. But al-Qaeda as Salafist Sunnis--they are all about Ibn Tamiyya (or what they think he is) and the supposed pre-Ottoman restoration of the Caliphate. The Twelvers are Shias. They don't do a Caliphate or Ibn Tamiyya. They want an Imamate. Except in very limited historical circumstances hundreds of years ago there is no overlap between those concepts. The Qaedans have attacked Iran several times and want to kill every last Shia. Assad is an Alawite, a member of the 10% minority that is allied with the Shia. That's why Iran supports Assad and al-Qaeda wants to destroy him. Yes they like to provoke superpowers like the USA and Russia. But they want to kill Shias, not help them. I don't know why you're mixing them up.
 
2013-08-26 09:15:58 PM  
Neighborhood Watch: including Al Qaeda (shhhh... that's a phony scandal,

What about al-Qaeda is a "phony scandal?" Do you think al-Qaeda isn't real? Are you a Truther?
 
2013-08-26 09:17:08 PM  

karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?


I think this the thread where everyone is tired of this shiat an realizes that there is no "win" in this action for the US.

US Gets involved and Syrian Army manages a win. Assad still in power, Syrian leaders hate US. Russia looks like King shiat of fark Island. The US tax payers lose.

US gets involved And rebels win. AlQueda steamrolls any sane faction of the FSA and installs new Islamic Regime and Syrian Leaders Hate US. The US taxpayers lose.

It's like choosing side in a knife fight between a rapist and a pedophile.
 
2013-08-26 09:19:00 PM  
Obama and Hillary have reinstated the Cold War.  Good job!
 
2013-08-26 09:19:37 PM  

LL316: bwilson27: Maul555: Anyone who doesn't want us to bomb needs to be wishing Obama never made any of those red line speeches.  Now we have to bomb or else we lose credibility.  if we lose credibility, then anybody can use chemical weapons on whomever they want, because who's gonna stop them?  If not the US, then no one will...

Syria has called our bluff, and now the bombs need to fall.

No bombs need to fall. In fact, Bombs need to be farking eliminated altogether. This is NOT cowboys and Indians, it's the real world.
Take all your overgrown infants away, somewhere, and build them a home....

It's funny that you comment that this is the real world, but in the same thought talk about how bombs need to be eliminated altogether.  Cuz...that's the real world?


Yes, it's the real world. Got a problem?
 
2013-08-26 09:19:54 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: tirob: .

As long as we're speculating now, I think that Assad benefits in two ways:  1) it's 355 of his perceived enemies dead, thousands more in the hospital, and a lesson to everyone else in Syria that if you look sideways at the forces of the government, you could be next, and 2) a message to the UN sock puppets of the Zionist entity that the Syrian government is sovereign and will do whatever it likes on its own territory, thank you.

You realize that no one who uses phrases like 'sock puppets of the Zionist entity' can ever hope to be taken seriously, right?


I was speaking in the voice of the Syrian government as Apikoros says, but I assure you that there are people out there who use phrases like this all the time and expect to be taken *very* seriously.

Apik0r0s: tirob: As long as we're speculating now, 

That's completely rational.

/backs away


Do you think that Assad is necessarily a rational actor these days?  The man has after all been under a huge amount of pressure for the past two years.
 
2013-08-26 09:20:51 PM  
What would prevent us from just doing what we did in Yugoslavia and keeping the fight off the ground?  The Kosovo campaign went incredibly well, it was short, cheap for a war, we didn't lose anyone in combat, and it was effective.

Just take them out from above and by missile.  Knock down Assad's forces enough that the rebels can take care of the rest and let the remnants of Assad's army and the rebels wear each other down for as long as they have any fight left in them.  Syria will be left in ruins and not a threat to any of our interests in the area, Assad's forces will kill some Al-Qaeda guys, Al-Qaeda will kill Assad's guys, and we can just sit back and let it play out.
 
2013-08-26 09:21:14 PM  

Somacandra: Lt. Cheese Weasel: The rebellion is being led by factions/tribes that are sympathetic to Al Queda and their desire to restore the Caliphate by bringing about the 12th Imam.

I read the link. But al-Qaeda as Salafist Sunnis--they are all about Ibn Tamiyya (or what they think he is) and the supposed pre-Ottoman restoration of the Caliphate. The Twelvers are Shias. They don't do a Caliphate or Ibn Tamiyya. They want an Imamate. Except in very limited historical circumstances hundreds of years ago there is no overlap between those concepts. The Qaedans have attacked Iran several times and want to kill every last Shia. Assad is an Alawite, a member of the 10% minority that is allied with the Shia. That's why Iran supports Assad and al-Qaeda wants to destroy him. Yes they like to provoke superpowers like the USA and Russia. But they want to kill Shias, not help them. I don't know why you're mixing them up.


I'll tell you why, when you get right down to it, an Islamo nutter is an Islamo nutter.  Tribes/factions/ allegiances...none of it matters.  The common denominator is that all of these are people still living in the 12th century and this planet has no room for their insanity.