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2013-08-26 05:16:04 PM

karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?


Nope. This is the thread where the Fark regulars rationalize it this time around because, you know, Obama.
 
2013-08-26 05:16:37 PM
Soon, the water off Syria will turn white as USS Ohio spews forth 154 Tomahawks in a stunning display of American ability to shiat away money on something that really doesn't threaten America directly.


LET them die...
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-26 05:16:46 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours
Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!

Taxbongo?  I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.


I would have to agree.  resorting to argumentum ad hominem discredits your position
 
2013-08-26 05:17:01 PM

cman: Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.

FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?


Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship. Pointing out that Israel has clear interests in the Syrian conflict, which it has expressed publicly, and that it has been involved in propping up the rebels from nearly the beginning is not a conspiracy theory. It's basic farking literacy.
 
2013-08-26 05:17:12 PM

InmanRoshi: darth_badger: US wars are started with false flags and this will be the next one. This will keep people employed in America and is good for the military industrial complex.

The only hope I have is that the stock market tanked immediately after Kerry's speech.   The American people don't have anymore appetitite for another interventionist war in the Middle East.   The little flags and the yellow ribbon car magnets have lost their charm.


That will not happen. The rich are sure to move money to make money.  American Idol and the NFL will stop most people from being terrified.
 
2013-08-26 05:17:23 PM
War never changes.
 
2013-08-26 05:17:36 PM

ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.


underscoopfire.com

"Wherever there's injustice, we'll be there!" Better send these guys in

/hot like El Guapo
 
2013-08-26 05:17:48 PM

Heron: cman: Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.

FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?

Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a centuries-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship. Pointing out that Israel has clear interests in the Syrian conflict, which it has expressed publicly, and that it has been involved in propping up the rebels from nearly the beginning is not a conspiracy theory. It's basic farking lit ...


ftfm
 
2013-08-26 05:17:50 PM
Muadhamiya, here we go again
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-26 05:18:06 PM

the money is in the banana stand: What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?


Hot cocoa sampler boxes for everyone!
 
2013-08-26 05:18:19 PM

Mike_LowELL: Battle of Tours


The battle where the French Christians were victorious over the Muslim invaders? Or was Fartbongo responsible for the Umayyad loss?
 
2013-08-26 05:19:45 PM
"Using chemical weapons against innocent civilians is unacceptable. No regime can be allowed to do so with impunity," said. Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

Says the Congressman who took more in contributions from the defense industry than anyone else, last year.

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2012&ind=D
 
2013-08-26 05:19:58 PM

basemetal: make me some tea: basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.

The videos showed a whole bunch of dead people.

Still want to know what kind of gas.


I've seen 'sarin' named in articles about this.  I don't know if there's any reality to that, if it's disinformation, propaganda, or the equivalent to 'pit bull' / 'AK-47'.  But that's what I've seen named.
 
2013-08-26 05:20:28 PM

Cup Check: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

[300x140 from http://underscoopfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Three-Amigos.png image 300x140]

"Wherever there's injustice, we'll be there!" Better send these guys in

/hot like El Guapo

ts1.mm.bing.net


'Would you say I have a plethora of WMD's?'
 
2013-08-26 05:20:48 PM

the money is in the banana stand: What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?


We will either try to make the people follow our method of democracy or put another nutcase in power who we will defend to the death if he's caught incinerating children for laughs. Only to kill him 20 years later when things go way south.
 
2013-08-26 05:20:52 PM
Obama and biden are just trying to make some money for themselves and their buddies in big oil
 
2013-08-26 05:21:31 PM

Heron: cman: Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.

FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?

Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship. Pointing out that Israel has clear interests in the Syrian conflict, which it has expressed publicly, and that it has been involved in propping up the rebels from nearly the beginning is not a conspiracy theory. It's basic farking lit ...


Israel is surrounded by people who want to see the country demolished and every Jewish citizen killed.  They're flanked by nations that they embarrassed in a war back in the '60s and who still can't concede that Israel has a right to the territories it seized as spoils of that war.
 
2013-08-26 05:21:35 PM

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


Billion Dollar pallets of cash (that can just vanish) seemed to be a motivating factor in Iraq.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:01 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Bidness for the Bidness God.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:07 PM

Phineas: Obama and biden are just trying to make some money for themselves and their buddies in big oil


>golf cap<
 
2013-08-26 05:22:15 PM

Mike_LowELL: Battle of Tours


awesome.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:51 PM

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue
 
2013-08-26 05:24:20 PM

21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue


ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-08-26 05:24:21 PM

flynn80: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Billion Dollar pallets of cash (that can just vanish) seemed to be a motivating factor in Iraq.


You should check politifact.....
 
2013-08-26 05:24:46 PM
We need to start a new war because the peaceniks and civil libertarians who believe we don't need a total military police state are feeling like they should have their way. Time to show them who's in charge.
 
2013-08-26 05:24:52 PM
Hot cocoa sampler boxes for everyone!

Not so fast there, Lt. Gotta check the list to see if those are Halal:


http://turntoislam.com/community/threads/what-chocolates-are-halal.61 1 37/">http://turntoislam.com/community/threads/what-chocolates-are-hal al.611 37/


/really, I am just fed the hell up with these people.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:02 PM
btw, i love that 1,300 years later, the neutrality is disputed on the battle of tours wiki page.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:18 PM

21-7-b: Iran is supporting Assad.


Your point?
 
2013-08-26 05:25:36 PM

darth_badger: InmanRoshi: darth_badger: US wars are started with false flags and this will be the next one. This will keep people employed in America and is good for the military industrial complex.

The only hope I have is that the stock market tanked immediately after Kerry's speech.   The American people don't have anymore appetitite for another interventionist war in the Middle East.   The little flags and the yellow ribbon car magnets have lost their charm.

That will not happen. The rich are sure to move money to make money.  American Idol and the NFL will stop most people from being terrified.


Don't forget comic book movies and "geek culture" to keep middle aged men in perpetual suspended adolescence so that they're easier to control.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:38 PM

Fusilier: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

We need to figure out how to rebuild Detroit and Baltimore.


Well, Detroit's easy -- just blame it on Dearborn and start airdropping the pallets of Benjamins.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:56 PM
Sliding Carp:Still want to know what kind of gas.

I've seen 'sarin' named in articles about this.  I don't know if there's any reality to that, if it's disinformation, propaganda, or the equivalent to 'pit bull' / 'AK-47'.  But that's what I've seen named.


That stuff's nasty. You just slowly suffocate.
www.babyassface.com
 
2013-08-26 05:26:13 PM

FlashHarry: btw, i love that 1,300 years later, the neutrality is disputed on the battle of tours wiki page.


Guessing we're not settling this soon....
 
2013-08-26 05:26:40 PM

GoldSpider: 21-7-b: Iran is supporting Assad.

Your point?


Can you read?
 
2013-08-26 05:26:43 PM

21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.


The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:44 PM

TuteTibiImperes: our forceful foreign negotiations that way.


In this world, in this day and age, it's hilarious that you self identify with these entities. They look at you just like they look at every foreign government and peon in the world.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:49 PM
Heron:
Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship.

The latter half did fark-all to save them in the centuries upon centuries that they've been treated as walking abominations by most of the Western world.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:50 PM

basemetal: [850x567 from http://www.popularresistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Pepper-Spr ay-Officer-Pike.jpg image 850x567]

I want to know what type of chemical weapon first.  We talking VX, Sarin, or some strong tear gas that caused some asthmatics to go nuts.


They got pictures of dead bodies lined up in rows. Mostly women and kids.

I still don't think we need to get involved. Team America World Police was supposed to be just a movie, not a concept.
 
2013-08-26 05:29:20 PM
Heron:
Israel does not equal Jews. Israel is a State run by war-mongers whose own military and secret service think need to chill the fark out, and Judaism is a world-wide religion with a century-long tradition of peacefulness, neighborliness, open-mindedness, empiricism, and scholarship.

But that's the whole game now, one that everyone from Wolf Blitzer to Jon Stewart are playing - pretending that Judaism is monolithic; that Benji Netanyahu speaks for all Jews. It's bullshiat, of course, but it has a long history of working. At least until it doesn't work any more and peoples go on a rampage against all Jews. It's only happened about 200 times in history.

If you're a Jew who is against warmongering every one of Israel's neighbors into pure chaos, bombing wells in Lebanon or allowing non-Jews the vote; you're not an anti-semite, you're a self-loather, a kapo.
 
2013-08-26 05:30:06 PM
Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....
 
2013-08-26 05:30:46 PM
It would be such a breath of fresh air to stay out of this one, but I know we can't do that now can we.
 
2013-08-26 05:30:58 PM

Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.


The problem is identifying "they". Who exactly is our enemy? Can we eliminate them or will more pop up? It is one thing when your opposition is all wearing red uniforms and the conditions for winning is to simply kill those wearing red uniforms. It is another thing when people just keep putting on red uniforms no matter how many you kill.
 
2013-08-26 05:31:28 PM

Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does. didn't you know, we have to the world's police force. any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene. God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.


According to Michael Rivero's Show today Isreal gave Gas and oil rights in the Golan heights to a company that Cheney holds stock in.
 
2013-08-26 05:33:07 PM
You guessed it-

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-26 05:33:45 PM

Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.


I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters
 
2013-08-26 05:34:19 PM
maybe having WMDs is cause for war
definitely having them, not so much
too bad libs
 
2013-08-26 05:34:27 PM

flynn80: According to Michael Rivero's Show


Holy crap! He's still around?
 
2013-08-26 05:34:40 PM

21-7-b: Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!

Iran is supporting Assad. Get a clue


Yes, a lot of us do understand that for the neo-cons, Syria has always been about a "back door into Iran". That still doesn't explain why it's a good idea for the US to get involved.
 
2013-08-26 05:35:18 PM

21-7-b: Radioactive Ass: 21-7-b: I don't have enough information to say that I know who used the chemical weapons. The administration thinks it does

I think the time for some sort of Western intervention has come, though.

The administration needs to lay out that information to the voters then because if the administration is going  to attack someone in their name then they need to be shown exactly why it is justified. Both sides have a motive for doing it or not doing it and both sides have denied it. One side is lying. How about we do that before shooting $200+ million dollars worth of missiles on them and give assistance to what amounts to Al Queda?

Unless they go outside of their own borders we need to stay out of it.

I don't get this argument that we shouldn't intervene because we would be strengthening the syrian Al Qaeda franchise. Obviously we need to intervene in a way that doesn't strengthen Al Qaeda. What has so far strengthened Al Qaeda is our not intervening, and the longer time passes without us intervening the stronger they look set to become. They slaughtered 450 Kurds the other day, for example, and their ranks are now being daily swelled by underequipped FSA fighters


Show me how to effectively target and isolate our opposition. THAT is the problem.
 
2013-08-26 05:35:21 PM

Darkrover2: Not to be the Devil's Advocate......

...but there is the issue of 9 billion people on a planet built for about 3 billion...max.

Discuss....


We need a way to do mass-sterilization from the air. No killing. Put countries/tribes/regions on notice to get their houses in order or else. They don't, then they can live out their lives watching themselves fade.
 
2013-08-26 05:35:40 PM

Darkrover2: Cup Check: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

[300x140 from http://underscoopfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Three-Amigos.png image 300x140]

"Wherever there's injustice, we'll be there!" Better send these guys in

/hot like El Guapo



'Would you say I have a plethora of WMD's?'


dancingczars.files.wordpress.com

Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
 
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