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2013-08-26 05:00:11 PM  

Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?


Doctors W/o Borders tends to be a pretty trusted source.
 
2013-08-26 05:00:20 PM  

Mad_Radhu: [565x318 from http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbn ail_570x321/2013/08/newsroom_genoa_-_h_-_2013.jpg image 565x318]

Let's just make sure that this douchebag didn't edit the interviews first.


Am I alone in having called the reason for the basketball game being in the background when it originally came up? I was thinking, "This dumbass is going to try to edit this later and get farked with the built in timestamp."
 
2013-08-26 05:00:51 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.


We need to figure out how to rebuild Detroit and Baltimore.
 
2013-08-26 05:00:52 PM  
During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...
 
2013-08-26 05:01:05 PM  

MNguy: Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Doctors W/o Borders tends to be a pretty trusted source.


And they said they didn't know.
 
2013-08-26 05:01:31 PM  

DoomPaul: Wasn't there a chemical weapons attack in Syria earlier this year or last year that was claimed to have been conducted by Assad right off the bat only to have an actual investigation a few months later show the rebels conducted the attack?


I'm betting on the rebels/Al Quida as well.

Assad is farking clever. He has a medical degree, and is a specialist in eye surgery.

Clever people can of course be psychos, but psychos usually have a strong sense of selfpreservation. Launching a gas attack the same day the UN inspectors arrive seems out of character for such a person.
 
2013-08-26 05:01:55 PM  

Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...


You sound dumb.
 
2013-08-26 05:02:04 PM  

Fusilier: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

We need to figure out how to rebuild Detroit and Baltimore.


Tear it down and start anew
 
2013-08-26 05:02:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of Tours

Syria

Congratulations, Taxbongo!  Another disaster on your hands!


*snort*

Don't forget last night's Miley Cyrus performance
 
2013-08-26 05:02:34 PM  
Oh boy, forgot this was on the main page with all the insane people. Abandoning ship immediately.
 
2013-08-26 05:02:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.


Depends.  Turkey has a HUGE army and they do NOT want this clusterfark on their border.  If this happens as an UN operation I imagine they'd take a big interest in seeing it run right.

Start with air strikes, then have Turkish army go in while the Foreign Legion airdrops into the Damascus airport.
 
2013-08-26 05:03:15 PM  

InmanRoshi: Darkrover2: During Obama's first campaign, I asked people why we should elect as President someone that had less than half of the national political experience of the much lampooned Dan Quayle had when he ran for Vice-President.

Apparently the reason is to set a socialist course for the US and generally Fark everything up more than it was when he was elected.

P.S. Note: Socialism worked out economically very well for Italy, Spain, and Greece, who not only had nearly 6 decades of peace, but peace paid for by the US, not their own GDPs...didn't it? How can you not have to pay much for your defense for 60 years and still go broke?

Socialism....good course to plot, Barack Hussein...

You sound dumb.


You sound uninformed...dispute any of my points...
 
2013-08-26 05:03:55 PM  
Unlike Libya, Syria has a metric assload of antiaircraft weapons, the best the Russians sell. This is going to be a tomahawk missile fest of the first order. I wouldn't bet on too many boots on the ground, Putin has decided to dig his heels in on Syria, and we all remember the fun we had with our proxy wars.
 
2013-08-26 05:04:55 PM  
Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?
 
2013-08-26 05:05:01 PM  
Russian warships have left their docks and are in the Med. Bombing will start soon.
 
2013-08-26 05:05:50 PM  
Not just no, but fark no.
 
2013-08-26 05:06:17 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.


Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?
 
2013-08-26 05:06:25 PM  

ManRay: It aint no easy thing being the World's Police Officer.


The LEAST the world could do is get us decent donuts, but no...we even have to make those ourselves.

/actually, Tim Horton's aren't bad
 
2013-08-26 05:06:34 PM  

spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

What if Assad wins anyway in that scenario?

Then it just sound like prolonging the war for nothing gained (assuming you hope Assad looses).


If Assad wins then he'll be king of a pile of rubble, so at least he won't pose a concern to Israel or our other allies in the area.
 
2013-08-26 05:06:50 PM  

GleeUnit: Don't forget last night's Miley Cyrus performance


GleeUnit: Mike_LowELL: Benghazi
Libya
Taxbongocare
Benghazi
Katrina
Iraq
Iran
Benghazi
Kosovo
Battle of ToursTwerk
Syria


There you go.
 
2013-08-26 05:06:51 PM  

karmaceutical: Is this the thread where garden variety Fark conserva-trolls pretend to be against this sort of thing?


This is the thread in which conservatives and liberals of all sort band together for the greater good
 
2013-08-26 05:06:54 PM  
We should delay getting involved for as long as possible. The more of them that kill each other the better.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:18 PM  

SilentStrider: Not just no, but fark no.


Yeah, I don't want any part of this business, either. It's awful, to be sure, but no matter who wins, we (the US) lose.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [450x338 from http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/8/83/fark_83cOR0czc4uX2FLjpWW4_8b 507E.gif?t=tiCMtmROAF-iNZzDbTo1Bw&f=1378094400 image 450x338]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5fKFFqJe4
 
2013-08-26 05:07:21 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Taxbongo? I'm no fan of the man, but your point is greatly watered down when you resort to childish name-calling.


Welcome to fark!
 
2013-08-26 05:07:27 PM  
It's in our national interest to keep the...Damascus steel supply safe. And all of those other vital things Syria provides.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Depends.  Turkey has a HUGE army and they do NOT want this clusterfark on their border.  If this happens as an UN operation I imagine they'd take a big interest in seeing it run right.

Start with air strikes, then have Turkish army go in while the Foreign Legion airdrops into the Damascus airport.


Not gonna happen without NATO, the Russians have the Turks by the balls, Link
 
2013-08-26 05:07:50 PM  
Question: As Americans, why do we care?

/Isolationist
//Git off'n muh lawn.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:01 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


If so, we have boots on the ground in some 50 countries
 
2013-08-26 05:08:26 PM  

snocone: What is not "undeniable" is who the fark actually used the WMD.
Since the rule of thumb is follow the cash, I'll go with the best funded, perennial fave, CIA.

begin


I'm gonna say they outsourced it to Al-Qaeda.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:31 PM  
"Using chemical weapons against innocent civilians is unacceptable. No regime can be allowed to do so with impunity," said. Rep. Buck McKeo


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_pro v e_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran

Well, except for when we dislike the person you're gassing more than we dislike you.  Then it's just fine.  We'll even give you maps of where they are.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:33 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


Yeah...odds are we had assets in country for weeks already.
 
2013-08-26 05:08:40 PM  

Giltric: We should delay getting involved for as long as possible. The more of them that kill each other the better.


Just like Rwanda.
 
2013-08-26 05:09:21 PM  

WTF Indeed: Russian warships have left their docks and are in the Med. Bombing will start soon.


So, you're saying this thing will get out of control?
 
2013-08-26 05:09:27 PM  

ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.


I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.
 
2013-08-26 05:10:03 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?


Dead brown people aka keeping up with our previous stellar foreign policy
 
2013-08-26 05:10:20 PM  

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: Unlike Libya, Syria has a metric assload of antiaircraft weapons, the best the Russians sell. This is going to be a tomahawk missile fest of the first order. I wouldn't bet on too many boots on the ground, Putin has decided to dig his heels in on Syria, and we all remember the fun we had with our proxy wars.


Yeah, too bad we didn't hold on to those F-117As. Those might have been useful in disassembling that air defense network. Of course, you can probably just fly in some Predators low to the ground and take out the missile and gun emplacements just as easily these days. They may not be quite as stealthy, but I'm guessing you can always Zerg rush the air defenses until you knock some big holes in the perimeter for about the same cost as an F-35.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:23 PM  
This is what I'm talking about.  I list a series of random, unrelated incidents and attempt to pin them on the worst president in the history of this country, and people call me a troll.  I didn't know that attempting to arouse emotion on an internet message board for my own amusement was trolling these days.

Thats_Not_My_Baby: I dunno. I remember he used to have good insight on video game stuff. Then some time ago he turned into this. It kind of ruined any attempts at trolling he does for me, knowing he was once a legitimate poster. He should have created an alt.


Alts are for casuals.  The skill is in being able to seamlessly switch from one posting style to another without arousing suspicion.

GleeUnit: Don't forget last night's Miley Cyrus performance


Implying the performance was merely a "disaster" and not a billion-dollar CIA project designed to distract Americans from the important issues, like Benghazi.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:24 PM  

PunGent: So, you're saying this thing will get out of control?


No. You don't keep ships stationary in at dock in a city that has a good chance of getting bombed in the coming hours.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:34 PM  

Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.


FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?
 
2013-08-26 05:12:24 PM  

Apik0r0s: Then show us the proof! Or are you still too busy manufacturing it in some Tel Aviv basement office?

Remember the last time we went to war over WMDs in the mid-east?

AIPAC pays good money to keep your leaders on the string, it would be unfair were they to not earn that money by blowing a few thousand Syrian children into dust. They're just Arab animals, after all.


In fairness, the last time, we had the receipts.
 
2013-08-26 05:13:55 PM  
Want to fix Syria, Rwanda, Mali, etc?

Close the West to immigration...how can the undeveloped world find it's patriots if everyone that want liberty and justice flees their homelands for 'the better life in the West'?

If everyone that wants freedom and opportunity flees to the US and Europe, then every country that doesn't have a strong culture and effective national institutions will simply become Syria or Rwanda.

Like Afghanistan...and letting that little teapot steep worked out well, did it not?
 
2013-08-26 05:14:08 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


I seem to recall a story revealing CIA "trainers" working with the rebels coming out 6 months to a year ago, but that could be my brain making crap up. Too lazy to check the intertubes :p
 
2013-08-26 05:14:13 PM  
Holy crap! Kerry is Hitler, I KNEW it!
 
2013-08-26 05:14:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: spawn73: TuteTibiImperes: Old_Chief_Scott: oldfarthenry: Yes - only a monster would poison-gas his citizens. Let's humanely bomb the f**k out of them instead!

Ding!

What can we possible hope might be accomplished by air strikes?

Hit munitions dumps, power plants, communications arrays, airfields, military bases, command HQs, etc.  Basically reduce the Syrian armed forces to rubble and put them on equal footing with the rebels.  Then leave and let them finish fighting it out and figure out how to rebuild.

What if Assad wins anyway in that scenario?

Then it just sound like prolonging the war for nothing gained (assuming you hope Assad looses).

If Assad wins then he'll be king of a pile of rubble, so at least he won't pose a concern to Israel or our other allies in the area.


Hopefully decision makers in NATO doesn't see it the same way you do.

But who knows, they did the Iraq thing... :(
 
2013-08-26 05:14:49 PM  
What exactly would the conditions for "winning" be? That has pretty much has been the problem with modern warfare with respect to US intervention for quite some time now. If the conditions for winning were to simply decimate the opposing force, that would be easy. You can't kill ideals and fix the problem in the Middle East with bombs. So Syria is gassing its people, we roll up and stomp strategic military targets and Assad is deposed. Then what?
 
2013-08-26 05:14:56 PM  
www.filmweb.no
What this war needs is Ernst Stavro Blofeld, a diamond coated satellite WMD and Jill St. John.  I, of course, am Bond.  James Bond.
 
2013-08-26 05:15:14 PM  

Kit Fister: So, let's see. We have Al Qaeda/Muslim Extremists on one side, and we have an assholish dictator on the other. Meanwhile, the one side is supported by the likes of Iran, and the other the likes of China and Russia. With as much support as China and russia give Assad, this could easily end up worse than either Iraq or A-Stan.

HOW THE fark COULD GETTING INVOLVED POSSIBLY BE A GOOD IDEA?!


Blow up everyone mentioned above?
 
2013-08-26 05:15:20 PM  

cman: FFS what is up with all of these Jewish conspiracy theories?


Dog whistles.
 
2013-08-26 05:15:30 PM  

SithLord: TuteTibiImperes: As long as we limit ourselves to air and missile strikes only we should be able to handle this quickly.  If we try to put boots on the ground and built a government over there we'll be looking at another Iraq.

Do CIA Assets and Spec Ops count as boots on the ground?


In an ideal world I'd love to see us handle most of our forceful foreign negotiations that way.  Have CIA teams keep track of what's going on, and if they see a problem developing, allow them to nip it in the bud before it grows big enough to make the news or require military intervention.

Heron: ManateeGag: cman: It doesn't concern us

yeah it does.  didn't you know, we have to the world's police force.  any time there's some injustice in the world, we have to intervene.  God forbid we let a country handle it's own problems without us telling every other nation on the planet how to run their lives.

I wouldn't say it's a "world policeman" thing really. We're perfectly happy letting oppressive governments that serve our strategic interests -like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now Egypt once again- deal with democracy protestors with violent crackdowns and persecution. We're making a big stink about Syria because 1)The chauvinists who run the Israeli government right now think getting rid of the Assads will break Hezbollah and leave Syria too screwed up to even complain about the Golan Heights, giving them total control of Northern Israel(and most importantly, the water sources of Northern Israel) for the foreseeable future and 2) plenty of conservatives in the US and Israel see getting rid of the Assads as a potential geopolitical victory against Iran(because they think Syria is an Iranian client rather than an ally, and that Hezbollah can't survive without Iranian aid). The push to intervene in this conflict isn't for any ephemeral moral consideration, but rather coming from what a specific, well-placed faction of our political elite and news media considers their best interest.


The way Morsi was going he wouldn't made Mubarek look like Mother Theresa.  The Egyptian Military stepped in to fix the problem before it got out of hand, and once they've handled the Muslim Brotherhood situation hopefully they step down and allow for democratic elections.

Israel is our strongest ally in the region, and we need to consider their needs in our operations over there.
 
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