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(Washington Post)   Horsepocalypse is not the title of Syfy's latest movie, but what's about to happen in the western United States   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 184
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2013-08-26 02:51:47 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 02:56:58 PM
If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.
 
2013-08-26 03:03:58 PM
So, will the government pony up the dough to fix this?
 
2013-08-26 03:19:07 PM
Can't we just establish a town for them all to live and work in?  ;)
 
2013-08-26 03:31:12 PM
The BLM is so farking incompetent. They easily could have solved the problem long ago by gelding stallions and giving mares birth control.  Instead they've dicked around for years cramming excess horses into tiny pens.
 
2013-08-26 04:24:31 PM

naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.


This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.
 
2013-08-26 04:32:16 PM
So this is how we solve our dirty air problem. We switch to lower horse powered vehicles. Like 1 and 2 horse power. I want a mustang!
 
2013-08-26 04:34:43 PM
Many people in the west have firearms.  I say we're just one lax regulation from having this problem sort itself out.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.


Meat horses are a horse of a different color.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:15 PM
Goodbye horses.

/I'm flying over you.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:29 PM
Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:30 PM
Pony thread?

denver.mylittlefacewhen.com

Pony thread.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:41 PM
I wanted a pony as a child. I still want a pony. When I'm bored, I doodle horses. I rode horses from walking age until college. I would also eat horse, if it meant the overall population were healthier in the end.

/see was it that hard?
 
2013-08-26 04:36:42 PM

TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.


So ship all the horses to France. Win-win.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:42 PM

TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.


I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?
 
2013-08-26 04:36:50 PM
Cull the herd, feed the homeless.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:56 PM
Clearly the solution would be to dramatically increase the number of wolves.
 
2013-08-26 04:37:17 PM

hb0mb: The BLM is so farking incompetent. They easily could have solved the problem long ago by gelding stallions and giving mares birth control.  Instead they've dicked around for years cramming excess horses into tiny pens.


Huh. I've heard of pens with naked ladies in them, but excess horses?
 
2013-08-26 04:38:19 PM
How much of your tax money is going to some rich horse rancher in Kansas?
 
2013-08-26 04:38:46 PM

downstairs: TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.

I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?


They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.
 
2013-08-26 04:40:15 PM

gadian: You don't eat your work animals.


Ox tail soup will be served shortly.
 
2013-08-26 04:40:43 PM
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-26 04:40:46 PM

downstairs: TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.

I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?


Part of it I think is a lack of USDA regulation on it, but that's due to a lack of market interest, which comes down to how some people feel about horses.

I've never thought of horses as pets, they're work animals or livestock.  I can understand the revulsion from a pet POV, I'm in no way interested in ever eating dog, and I think it's a pretty awful thing to do, but I have no particular affection for horses.
 
2013-08-26 04:40:52 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-26 04:41:27 PM

gadian: You don't eat your work animals.


Wrong.
 
2013-08-26 04:41:31 PM

stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.


Or white people.
 
2013-08-26 04:41:56 PM
i90.photobucket.com

Approves
 
2013-08-26 04:42:03 PM
Under a 1971 law, the Bureau of Land Management is supposed to protect these horses and make sure their numbers don't get out of hand


*BLAM*?
 
2013-08-26 04:42:35 PM

gadian: downstairs: TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.

I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?

They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.


What, are you Hindu?

I had horse, unknowingly, in Basque country. After that, I had it knowingly. Not deluded by anthropomorphism.
 
2013-08-26 04:42:43 PM
I don't understand this not being able to control population bullshiat

We have made so many species extinct, or nearly extinct through are existence as humans..  Now you're telling me we're incapable of being ruthless killing machines?
 
2013-08-26 04:42:49 PM

gadian: They're work animals. You don't eat your work animals.


"They're" is an awkward contraction of "they" and "were".
 
2013-08-26 04:43:41 PM
That's good. I hate horses. I hate the way that they stare at you sideways with their huge, squishy looking eyeball and always try to touch you with their gross, floppy lips. I spend actual time and energy hating horses. I'd punch a horse right in its stupid face if one was here right now.
 
2013-08-26 04:43:52 PM

farkingismybusiness: Goodbye horses.

/I'm flying over you.


It puts the lotion on it's skin...
 
2013-08-26 04:44:20 PM

gadian: They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.


I've seen a cow pull a plow.  I've seen horses graze in a field all day.  I'm pretty sure your classification is either blatantly wrong, or just dumb.

Horses are, at best, pets.  I like horses, I like riding, and I enjoy their limited companionship.  There are, however, too damn many of them.

It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.
 
2013-08-26 04:44:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: downstairs: TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.

I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?

Part of it I think is a lack of USDA regulation on it, but that's due to a lack of market interest, which comes down to how some people feel about horses.

I've never thought of horses as pets, they're work animals or livestock.  I can understand the revulsion from a pet POV, I'm in no way interested in ever eating dog, and I think it's a pretty awful thing to do, but I have no particular affection for horses.


Gotcha.  I guess I'm in the same boat- I could never eat dog... but I just never thought the same about horses.  (And my mother in law has a miniature horse.)
 
2013-08-26 04:44:53 PM

downstairs: TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.

I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?


I thought one reason we didn't eat horse meat is because most of the work/show horses are chock full of antibiotics and other unpleasant drugs. Not that cows are that different...
 
2013-08-26 04:45:13 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-26 04:46:02 PM

naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.


SOYLENT GREEN IS HORSES!
 
2013-08-26 04:46:13 PM
I thought Obama was going to feed them to the poor or something? Which is gross and mean and poor horse and cows...now sad :(
 
2013-08-26 04:46:29 PM
www.nationalgeographic.com
 
2013-08-26 04:46:42 PM
I'd eat horse.  Hell, I want to know what stock made from their bones would be like.  demi-horse-glace sounds good too.
 
2013-08-26 04:47:11 PM

naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.



We don't even have to eat them.  A simple law change; allow them to be hunted.  Hunters will come; they love a good killin' of something they ain't kilt 'afore.
 
2013-08-26 04:47:50 PM

downstairs: Gotcha.  I guess I'm in the same boat- I could never eat dog... but I just never thought the same about horses.  (And my mother in law has a miniature horse.)


So, hors d'oeuvres then?
 
2013-08-26 04:47:57 PM
One more for the 'eat it' vote. With beef prices where they're at, a little wild-range horse would be welcome.
 
2013-08-26 04:48:16 PM

naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.


That would be a bit difficult for me. Having had horses throughout the years and all. But, you're right. A lot of hungry people could benefit from such a thing.
 
2013-08-26 04:48:40 PM
The problem is: America romanticizes the horse, because of the West. They were our ancestors' loyal companions, and they helped the spread of our nation, and as a result we are more than a little attached to the horse. The French are still passed about Agencourt, so they willingly eat their horses.
For America: we let them loose, and we have this kind of delusion about them being native and natural, and part of the west.
 
2013-08-26 04:48:52 PM
Shoot them
 
2013-08-26 04:48:56 PM

Kahabut: It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.


you can get a horse for free pretty easy but it will probably not be good for riding, that's when they start costing money.
 
2013-08-26 04:48:57 PM
They're not native to the U.S., I see no need to protect feral populations.

Treat them like cats, TNR - Trap, Neuter, Return. You'll see populations go down pretty fast.
 
2013-08-26 04:49:03 PM
content8.flixster.com
/If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak...
 
2013-08-26 04:49:10 PM

baronbloodbath: Pony thread?

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Pony thread.


Pedophile watch-list thread?
 
2013-08-26 04:49:25 PM
If only Mr. Hands were still alive.
 
2013-08-26 04:49:36 PM
"Under a 1971 law, the Bureau of Land Management is supposed to protect these horses and make sure their numbers don't get out of hand - so that they're not destroying the ecosystem or dying of starvation."

You mean, we created a system that is supposed to protect wild animals from...nature? I mean, is nature not a system that regulates itself? We really are an arrogant species. Ironic because we invented arrogance. We're probably the only species capable of arrogance. Although, I find that dolphins tend to be pretty full of themselves.

Anyway, horses. The only thing left to do is build the world's longest chariot. Problem solved.

Also, see what they did here:
"Lately, Congress has started reining in spending here."
 
2013-08-26 04:49:40 PM
Because the BLM is managed by people considered too retarded to fit into any other branch of government work.
 
2013-08-26 04:49:55 PM

TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.


it is and I do
/Italians know whats up too
//try the Imperial mortadella
 
2013-08-26 04:50:12 PM
If there is anything at all that we humans are great at, it's reducing the population of any animal that doesn't out-reproduce our ability to slaughter em.
 
2013-08-26 04:50:22 PM
Very simple solution:
scrummyyummy.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-26 04:50:25 PM
One word... Taco Bell.
 
2013-08-26 04:50:54 PM
Give them to the Romanians, they seem to take of them real good.
 
2013-08-26 04:50:58 PM
Are unwanted horses not still sold, by the estimated pound on the hoof, to the "chicken man",  to be shipped to Mexico and rendered into chicken feed/pet food/burritoes?
 
2013-08-26 04:51:03 PM

Apik0r0s: gadian: downstairs: TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.

I'm curious what the issue is with eating horse meat?  Wiki didn't give me a good understanding, just explaining its taboo, and even illegal in some places.  Is it merely because we consider them "pets"?

They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.

What, are you Hindu?

I had horse, unknowingly, in Basque country. After that, I had it knowingly. Not deluded by anthropomorphism.


Don't anthropomorphise animals, they hate that.
 
2013-08-26 04:51:09 PM
There are people who dedicate their lives to making sure the BLM does absolutely NOTHING in regards to the wild horses.  They don't want them rounded up for adoption, they don't want them rounded up for sterilization, they don't want them rounded up for slaughter....these people want the horses left alone to "grace our majestic lands" or some such bullshiat.  They have sued and fought and fought and sued for years to achieve this goal and they damn sure aren't going to give up any time soon.

/they were responsible for the ban on horse slaughter and have even sued when horses were adopted by people who they thought MIGHT export the horses for slaughter
 
2013-08-26 04:51:30 PM

old_toole: One word... Taco Bell.


Pfft, why would they start serving real meat?
 
2013-08-26 04:52:04 PM

Headso: Kahabut: It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.

you can get a horse for free pretty easy but it will probably not be good for riding, that's when they start costing money.


Actually, I knew that.  My aunt has several rescue horses.  I helped rehabilitate a couple of them.  Have a few scars to prove it.

/some of those farkers still had teeth.
 
2013-08-26 04:52:16 PM

GoldSpider: Pedophile watch-list thread?


Oh.  It's going to be one of  thosethreads, isn't it?
 
2013-08-26 04:52:23 PM
You mean this whole time people in Best Korea have been starving for nutn?
 
2013-08-26 04:52:56 PM

BrynnMacFlynn: When I'm bored, I doodle horses.


Yeah, well SOME of us just get arrested for that and aren't allowed on farms anymore.

/neigh means nay
 
2013-08-26 04:52:58 PM
Sounds like stupid government regulations caused this. Why not have a cull? Didn't Florida get a ton of insane people for their snake cull? Did they all kill themselves?
 
2013-08-26 04:53:05 PM
The whole problem is easily dealt with, thanks to the Homeland Security Act. . Have them rounded up and shipped off to Guantanamo, where they can be melted down away from the public gaze.

Extraordinary rendering, if you will.
 
2013-08-26 04:53:25 PM

Kahabut: Headso: Kahabut: It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.

you can get a horse for free pretty easy but it will probably not be good for riding, that's when they start costing money.

Actually, I knew that.  My aunt has several rescue horses.  I helped rehabilitate a couple of them.  Have a few scars to prove it.

/some of those farkers still had teeth.


Ever get a nice kick to the middle of the back? Fun times.
 
2013-08-26 04:53:42 PM
Where are the predators in this region? Non-human?
 
2013-08-26 04:54:06 PM
I love horses, ridden since teeenage, and they can't be allowed to suffer. Kill what you need to, do it cleanly. fark this birth control crap.
 
2013-08-26 04:54:26 PM

Fool_Marquis: The problem is: America romanticizes the horse, because of the West. They were our ancestors' loyal companions, and they helped the spread of our nation, and as a result we are more than a little attached to the horse. The French are still passed about Agencourt, so they willingly eat their horses.
For America: we let them loose, and we have this kind of delusion about them being native and natural, and part of the west.


We didn't let them loose, Conquistadors let them loose.
 
2013-08-26 04:54:53 PM
They eat horses don't they...
 
2013-08-26 04:55:02 PM
arch.413chan.net
 
2013-08-26 04:55:34 PM
They couldn't drag me away.

/we'll ride them, someday
 
2013-08-26 04:55:56 PM

stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.


Horses are native to North America.
 
2013-08-26 04:56:32 PM

This text is now purple: Horses are native to North America.


Wat.
 
2013-08-26 04:56:59 PM
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-26 04:57:10 PM

GoldSpider: baronbloodbath: Pony thread?

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Pony thread.

Pedophile watch-list thread?


Wow do you watch fox news too? What's wrong with friendship is magic?
 
2013-08-26 04:58:56 PM

GoldSpider: baronbloodbath: Pony thread?

[600x600 from http://denver.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw2703-did_someone_sa y_ponythread.jpg image 600x600]

Pony thread.

Pedophile watch-list thread?


1.5/10.  You'll get better bites over in the Politics threads.
 
2013-08-26 04:59:52 PM

This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.


LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...
 
2013-08-26 05:02:36 PM
Why aren't we just culling the herds?
 
2013-08-26 05:03:11 PM

simplicimus: Where are the predators in this region? Non-human?


Mountain lions are probably the apex predator for the vast majority of the area where the horses are(wolves maybe in the more northern areas), but neither is too keen on tackling a 1200lb mustang that can kick a head right off a body (and bite at least as hard as the cat).  And, these horses can run long distances at 30-40mph....both cat and wolf and probably coyotes would be glad to munch on a colt or downed animal. Bears (black and brown) would'nt mind chewing on some horsehide too, but they're just as happy to munch on grass and berries for a good portion of their meals.

/not saying bears or cats or wolves don't take the horses down, but a deer is a much easier target to any of them
 
2013-08-26 05:04:51 PM

kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...


Yes, those evil white people brought them here.
 
2013-08-26 05:05:27 PM
Kill the bronies.
 
2013-08-26 05:05:30 PM

ferretman: Very simple solution:
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Horse it's what's for dinner!
/problem solved
 
2013-08-26 05:05:45 PM

This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.


Until they died out 11,000 years ago, but yeah.
"Modern horses, zebras, and asses belong to the genusEquus, the only surviving genus in a once diverse family, the Equidae. Based on fossil records, the genus appears to have originated in North America about 4 million years ago and spread to Eurasia (presumably by crossing the Bering land bridge) 2 to 3 million years ago. Following that original emigration, there were additional westward migrations to Asia and return migrations back to North America, as well as several extinctions ofEquus species in North America."
http://www.livescience.com/9589-surprising-history-america-wild-hors es .html
 
2013-08-26 05:06:13 PM

phenn: Kahabut: Headso: Kahabut: It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.

you can get a horse for free pretty easy but it will probably not be good for riding, that's when they start costing money.

Actually, I knew that.  My aunt has several rescue horses.  I helped rehabilitate a couple of them.  Have a few scars to prove it.

/some of those farkers still had teeth.

Ever get a nice kick to the middle of the back? Fun times.


No, but I learned at a very young age that horses are evil farkers, along with most other farm animals.  Dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle.

I've never walked behind a horse in my life, and I rarely go near the front either (anymore).  Seen one too many people seriously injured by a pissed off horse.  Never did understand the attitude of the humans that were trying to get the horse to do something.  It's bigger than you, and not happy about what you are doing, you might want to reconsider.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:27 PM
farkingismybusiness:

t2.gstatic.com

Done in 22.

/22?
 
2013-08-26 05:13:32 PM
Guess that's better than an alpacalypse.  Nasty spitting bastards.
 
2013-08-26 05:16:46 PM

farkingismybusiness: Goodbye horses.

/I'm flying over you.


Hey wait, let me get my skin suit on first
 
2013-08-26 05:19:23 PM

chevydeuce: There are people who dedicate their lives to making sure the BLM does absolutely NOTHING in regards to the wild horses.  They don't want them rounded up for adoption, they don't want them rounded up for sterilization, they don't want them rounded up for slaughter....these people want the horses left alone to "grace our majestic lands" or some such bullshiat.  They have sued and fought and fought and sued for years to achieve this goal and they damn sure aren't going to give up any time soon.

/they were responsible for the ban on horse slaughter and have even sued when horses were adopted by people who they thought MIGHT export the horses for slaughter


My ex mother-in-law and one of my coworkers belong to some "save the wild horses" group here in Nevada. Walking into their offices is like walking into a teenage girls' bedroom - it's full of horses.

And yeah, they sue all the time, and fundraise all the time, too. They are constantly trying to get us to donate for the cause.

My personal dislike for these two women doesn't help, but I'm of the opinion that they should be rounded up and sold to whomever wants to slaughter them and sell the parts off. No reason the government should be spending billions to save wild horses when we've got no shortage of horses throughout the country.
 
2013-08-26 05:20:16 PM
Jesus, just shoot the farkers and make Jello and horse steaks.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:53 PM

Magnanimous_J: That's good. I hate horses. I hate the way that they stare at you sideways with their huge, squishy looking eyeball and always try to touch you with their gross, floppy lips. I spend actual time and energy hating horses. I'd punch a horse right in its stupid face if one was here right now.


Candygram for Mongo.
 
2013-08-26 05:23:51 PM

Kahabut: No, but I learned at a very young age that horses are evil farkers, along with most other farm animals. Dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle.

I've never walked behind a horse in my life, and I rarely go near the front either (anymore). Seen one too many people seriously injured by a pissed off horse. Never did understand the attitude of the humans that were trying to get the horse to do something. It's bigger than you, and not happy about what you are doing, you might want to reconsider


Some can be monumental assholes, I'll give you that. My dad's were quite mellow. Big-ass draft horses. Mine, on the other hand, wasn't so delightful. I had finished cleaning a back hoof when a fly gave him a nice bite on the arse. As soon as I put his hoof down - KABLAMMOMYTE.

I forgave him, of course. But, I never forgave that godforsaken rooster, Frank, who spurred me the next day.

Ever dropkick a rooster? Satisfying.
 
2013-08-26 05:25:07 PM
i don't understand the issue.

When raccoon population gets out of hand you start killing raccoon.
When the deer population gets out of hand you start killing deer.
When the rodent population gets out of hand you start killing rodents.

What makes horses special?
 
2013-08-26 05:27:07 PM

Sarsin: i don't understand the issue.

When raccoon population gets out of hand you start killing raccoon.
When the deer population gets out of hand you start killing deer.
When the rodent population gets out of hand you start killing rodents.

What makes horses special?


Or homeless people too right?

//Solutions right there
 
2013-08-26 05:31:55 PM
Just leave them alone. Let nature work it out. It's pretty arrogant of humans to think the horse population needs our intervention. They got along fine before we got out of the trees.
 
2013-08-26 05:34:21 PM
Ship them overseas as a gift to some Dothraki khal. Problem solved.
 
2013-08-26 05:34:38 PM

phenn: Kahabut: No, but I learned at a very young age that horses are evil farkers, along with most other farm animals. Dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle.

I've never walked behind a horse in my life, and I rarely go near the front either (anymore). Seen one too many people seriously injured by a pissed off horse. Never did understand the attitude of the humans that were trying to get the horse to do something. It's bigger than you, and not happy about what you are doing, you might want to reconsider

Some can be monumental assholes, I'll give you that. My dad's were quite mellow. Big-ass draft horses. Mine, on the other hand, wasn't so delightful. I had finished cleaning a back hoof when a fly gave him a nice bite on the arse. As soon as I put his hoof down - KABLAMMOMYTE.

I forgave him, of course. But, I never forgave that godforsaken rooster, Frank, who spurred me the next day.

Ever dropkick a rooster? Satisfying.


Haha good times.

I've never kicked a rooster, but that does sound like fun.  When I was about 15, I was on the family farm for the summer working for my grandparents.  I told them in no uncertain terms that if that farking rooster woke me up again, I was going to shoot it.  It did, I did, and grandma (as I'm walking back into the house with the rifle) says "guess we're having chicken for dinner, when you get up again, you go clean that bird up".  It was so worth it.

I'm not a fan of abusing animals, but some of them do really beg for it.  (horses not included)
 
2013-08-26 05:35:12 PM

This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.


There was a horse relative that was a native. 2 million years ago.
 
2013-08-26 05:37:00 PM
300 million plus increasingly tubby people roam free in this country, but anything over about 23,000 horses is just too damn many.

It reminds me of the douchebags in Idaho complaining that a few hundred wolves in the wild is too many. Why? It's partly ranchers complaining, but it's also because the wolves sometimes take down big game and the sports hunting industry thinks any big animal that they don't get to shoot has been stolen from them.

On a related note, wolves do prey on horses in some areas.
 
2013-08-26 05:38:29 PM

ZeroCorpse: Just leave them alone. Let nature work it out. It's pretty arrogant of humans to think the horse population needs our intervention. They got along fine before we got out of the trees.


And it seems even better since we brought them to a location they never inhabited before. I don't think it is arrogant to think we need to fix our own mistakes.
 
2013-08-26 05:39:39 PM
b-i.forbesimg.com
 
2013-08-26 05:39:51 PM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-26 05:41:12 PM

kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...


Nope. Originated in the Americas 2-4 million years ago. Disappeared in NA about 11,000 years ago (damned Indians), but had migrated into Asia and Europe by then. Reintroduced by the Spaniards in the 1500s, where they basically reestablished their old range. They're a grassland megafauna, perfectly suited for bison country.
 
2013-08-26 05:41:28 PM

fjnorton: Sarsin: i don't understand the issue.

When raccoon population gets out of hand you start killing raccoon.
When the deer population gets out of hand you start killing deer.
When the rodent population gets out of hand you start killing rodents.

What makes horses special?

Or homeless people too right?

//Solutions right there


The problem in each case is a lack of natural populations of predators to cull the populations and maintain a classic boom and bust in the animal kingdom. So perhaps we need to wrangle a mess of lions out to the western scrub. Pour in enough lions that they adapt and make their own population that can keep the homeless in check.
 
2013-08-26 05:49:50 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: [299x76 from http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4PyuBNP2o38/Tp8xDNCfCJI/AAAAAAAACNM/bg00O0eU Pn4/s400/horse-glue2X.gif image 299x76]


Believe it or not - I actually glued my horse back together with this last time I broke it
 
2013-08-26 05:51:05 PM

farkingismybusiness: Goodbye horses.

/I'm flying over you.


I went from watching Louis CK's "Schindler's List" joke at lunch to "goodbye horses" and my brain broke.
 
2013-08-26 05:51:59 PM

ZeroCorpse: Just leave them alone. Let nature work it out. It's pretty arrogant of humans to think the horse population needs our intervention. They got along fine before we got out of the trees.


Is that your answer to every destructive invasive species?
 
2013-08-26 05:52:28 PM
Horschwitz?
 
2013-08-26 05:55:19 PM
i309.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-26 05:56:23 PM
Kahabut:
It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.

The majority of horses aren't that expensive.  Sure, a quality race horse, roping horse or dressage prospect, but those are the high-end performers and those who have value for breeding more great performers.  Your average horse costs anything from free to a few hundred dollars, your show prospects one- to four-thousand.  Its maintaining them that gets really expensive.  Hay, grain, supplements, vaccines, worming, shoes - even more if you board somewhere.

I would say from my experience that most horse lovers are opposed to eating horse meat because horses are beautiful and so highly sensitive.  People love them the way they love their cats and dogs, and we don't eat them either.  When horses were considered more of a working animal eating them was far more acceptable;  with the advent of motorized transportation, the horse became a luxury pet, riding became a pastime for people with money.

I have many friends in the horse community who are adamantly opposed to slaughter.  Its surprising, because the last few years have given us a really clear picture on why a slaughterhouse is a better option.  Plenty of horse owners can barely afford their horses.  When the recession hit a lot of local owners stopped caring properly for their animals, and the market for selling horses died.  You can sell your horse to the kill pen buyers who ship to Mexico and Canada, but people are uncomfortable with the foreign canners because the industry is so under-regulated, particularly in Mexico, and abuse abounds.  Another thing people around here (rural Washington) have been doing is taking their horses out near the BLM lands or up in the Cascades and turning them loose, which is amazingly stupid.  Domestic horses can't survive in the wild -- they quickly starve, died of thirst or are eating by predators.   Out in the rangeland in Eastern Washington you can see thousands of carcasses, mostly of domestic horses set loose by idiotic owners who couldn't afford them anymore.  God forbid they should spend a couple of hundred bucks to at least have the animal humanely euthanized by a vet...hell no, let's just set them FREE so they can RUN WILD.  Ugh.

Wild horses would not typically be suitable for human consumption; just like most game, they don't have a high fat content in the meat and it would probably not be especially palatable.  However, we have a thriving dog food industry, and I'd sure the hell rather see horses go be humanely slaughtered and provide sustenance for other living beings rather than starving to death or dying of thirst because we have a drought.  I have no problem whatsoever with reviving the US's slaughter industry, provided its well-regulated and humanely done.

The mustangs have been mismanaged for so long that its hard to see a better alternative.  There are just too many of them, and the farmers and the taxpayers ought not to be paying the price.
 
2013-08-26 06:05:51 PM

This text is now purple: kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...

Nope. Originated in the Americas 2-4 million years ago. Disappeared in NA about 11,000 years ago (damned Indians), but had migrated into Asia and Europe by then. Reintroduced by the Spaniards in the 1500s, where they basically reestablished their old range. They're a grassland megafauna, perfectly suited for bison country.


Feral horses in the high plains here in the US:
org2.democracyinaction.org


Real undomesticated horses (not actually the parent species to the domestic horse, I don't think):
cdn1.arkive.org

They're not really the same anymore--like cattle, the true wild parent species is no longer with us.  And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.


/Images are hot, like a grilled horse sausage.
 
2013-08-26 06:11:44 PM

Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.


Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.
 
2013-08-26 06:14:13 PM
When I was younger, I thought I wanted a horse.   My parents said we can't afford one.   I looked up the regulations about mustang adoption, because I had heard that they were free.   When I saw the list of requirements, I realized that even a free horse was expensive

BLM Requirements Page
 
2013-08-26 06:14:55 PM
What a wild Mustang might look like:

mustangsdaily.com
 
2013-08-26 06:15:18 PM

Bonzo_1116: This text is now purple: kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...

Nope. Originated in the Americas 2-4 million years ago. Disappeared in NA about 11,000 years ago (damned Indians), but had migrated into Asia and Europe by then. Reintroduced by the Spaniards in the 1500s, where they basically reestablished their old range. They're a grassland megafauna, perfectly suited for bison country.

Feral horses in the high plains here in the US:
[400x300 from https://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6931/images/walker-carol-group-of -wild-horses-cantering-across-sagebrush-steppe-adobe-town-wyoming.jpg image 400x300]


Real undomesticated horses (not actually the parent species to the domestic horse, I don't think):
[650x418 from http://cdn1.arkive.org/media/5C/5CE48FE4-C3E2-4FE0-AD28-77E336AFDC88/P resentation.Large/Group-of-Przewalskis-horses.jpg image 650x418]

They're not really the same anymore--like cattle, the true wild parent species is no longer with us.  And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.


/Images are hot, like a grilled horse sausage.


Przewalski's horse is just the permanently feral strain of horse. They've been genetically isolated for a long time, but seem to come from the same ancestor species -- which, itself, may have just been the modern horse.

It's sort of like arguing that wild bison no longer exist -- the kept bison we have now aren't a different animal.
 
2013-08-26 06:15:46 PM
EAT THEM. Problem solved!
 
2013-08-26 06:16:41 PM

abfalter: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.


We don't even have to eat them.  A simple law change; allow them to be hunted.  Hunters will come; they love a good killin' of something they ain't kilt 'afore.


Some folk'll never shoot a horse, but then again some folk'll.
 
2013-08-26 06:16:57 PM

fjnorton: Sarsin: i don't understand the issue.

When raccoon population gets out of hand you start killing raccoon.
When the deer population gets out of hand you start killing deer.
When the rodent population gets out of hand you start killing rodents.

What makes horses special?

Or homeless people too right?

//Solutions right there


Homeless people are animals.
 
2013-08-26 06:17:23 PM
i.imgur.com

/something something something cupcakes.
 
2013-08-26 06:22:50 PM
You rang?
 
2013-08-26 06:24:21 PM

No Wire Hangers: The majority of horses aren't that expensive. Sure, a quality race horse, roping horse or dressage prospect, but those are the high-end performers and those who have value for breeding more great performers. Your average horse costs anything from free to a few hundred dollars, your show prospects one- to four-thousand. Its maintaining them that gets really expensive. Hay, grain, supplements, vaccines, worming, shoes - even more if you board somewhere.


Some ranchers will take some of the younger feral horses if they think that they can use them.  Some of them work out pretty well for general workhorses, but they will never compete with the domesticated breeds.
 
2013-08-26 06:25:37 PM

Kahabut: gadian: They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.

I've seen a cow pull a plow.  I've seen horses graze in a field all day.  I'm pretty sure your classification is either blatantly wrong, or just dumb.

Horses are, at best, pets.  I like horses, I like riding, and I enjoy their limited companionship.  There are, however, too damn many of them.

It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.


Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork. Anything past $1500 or so is probably greed though, it takes $800-1200 per puppy to responsibly breed.
 
2013-08-26 06:28:26 PM
MechTard: ~per puppy to responsibly breed.

I'm not sure you can convince me there is any such thing as responsible breeding.

That is, however, just my opinion and I'm not advocating anything as a result of it, I just don't think that breeding dogs is good for anyone except the breeder's bank account.
 
2013-08-26 06:28:48 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

They lied?
 
2013-08-26 06:29:53 PM

MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork


Don't forget the time and effort to break a horse for riding.  Those that do this for a living are very specialized and they don't do it for free.
 
2013-08-26 06:31:07 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 06:40:21 PM

HeadLever: MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork

Don't forget the time and effort to break a horse for riding.  Those that do this for a living are very specialized and they don't do it for free.


30 days of training runs about $600 including board.  Its not *that* much.
 
2013-08-26 06:56:50 PM

No Wire Hangers: Wild horses would not typically be suitable for human consumption; just like most game, they don't have a high fat content in the meat and it would probably not be especially palatable.


Uh...  My history of eating deer, moose, elk, and such don't count?  You have to cook it a bit differently, but it's still excellent.

MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork. Anything past $1500 or so is probably greed though, it takes $800-1200 per puppy to responsibly breed.


Let's see:
Stud fee $100
Mom's vet visits:  $500
Vet examination: $50 per puppy
Vaccinations, multiple trips: $100
Registration paperwork: $100
Food, ~8 weeks, special puppy variety: $100
Number of puppies:  Let's go with 6
End result:  ~$450 per puppy.  Normally you have one that can't ethically be sold due to defect*.

*At least my parents didn't sell such types, though they'd give it away with full disclosure.  Had one pup with a malformed front right paw that a retired gentleman took.  Convinced him that she wouldn't eat anything but steak and ground round, rode with him in his golf cart.  Dad taught her how to walk with the assistance of a sling.
 
2013-08-26 06:58:45 PM
the horse is an invasive species.

the fact that the Gov'ment refuses to deal with that issue while allowing the killing of buffalo that stray outside of Yellowstone is yet another example of the fundamental ignorance of the Powers that be to do the job that they are entrusted too.
 
2013-08-26 06:58:59 PM
eat it, wilbur

just eat it
 
2013-08-26 07:09:47 PM

bojon: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

There was a horse relative that was a native. 2 million years ago.


Maybe we should have elephants running loose. We used to have mammoths here too.
 
2013-08-26 07:10:08 PM
No BIlly Jack pics?
Farkers, I am dissapoint.
 
2013-08-26 07:14:03 PM

Maerow: EAT THEM. Problem solved!


Belmont steaks?
 
2013-08-26 07:15:10 PM
Bronies are still a thing, I see. *sigh*
 
2013-08-26 07:17:51 PM

blender61: the fact that the Gov'ment refuses to deal with that issue while allowing the killing of buffalo that stray outside of Yellowstone is yet another example of the fundamental ignorance of the Powers that be to do the job that they are entrusted too.


Acutally, it is not that Goverment refuses to deal with it.  It is just that their hands are tied in many regards due to the incessant lawsuits by environmental groups.  How can you deal with this issue when you can't even round them up?
 
2013-08-26 07:18:27 PM
CSB:

I was vacationing in Italy recently and had to run out for food supplies. While searching for baby food, we discovered a bizarre selection of meat purees for babies. Horse was one of them.

/CSB
 
2013-08-26 07:21:21 PM
Dog meat tastes awful. Horse meat tastes meh.

I say this as a super lib animal lover: cull the herd damn it.
 
2013-08-26 07:27:58 PM

Kahabut: gadian: They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.

I've seen a cow pull a plow.  I've seen horses graze in a field all day.  I'm pretty sure your classification is either blatantly wrong, or just dumb.

Horses are, at best, pets.  I like horses, I like riding, and I enjoy their limited companionship.  There are, however, too damn many of them.

It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.


Ok, on the off hand that you don't really understand why horses might cost a lot of money (or puppies from breeders), let me explain it for you. People who can no longer afford their horses or are breeding dogs idiotically to make money sell their horses for $500 or less and their dogs for $100-200.

Breeders that produce quality animal get high prices ($5000 for dogs, $10,000 PLUS for horses) get that much money for a few reasons:

1. Showing and titling animals costs a ton of money. I'm not going to break it down for you, but to get a basic obedience title on a dog you need at least 3 good shows at like $100 each and to get respectable titles you're talking about getting multiple titles which could easily end up costing $1000+ for a single dog. If you would pay $5k for a dog with untitled/unqualified parents you *are* an idiot. Even if you aren't doing dog shows but are training your dog to do other work (search and rescue, herding, anything that would show that they are suitable to do what they are bred for) takes a lot of time and usually money. Frankly, some dogs wash out and are unbreedable (if you are a good breeder).

2. People will pay that much (this is basically the tenant of all sales). I mean, if you are producing good dogs and have a waiting list for $5000 dogs then why would you lower the price? The people who tell me they don't have $125 to *adopt* a dog couldn't possibly have the money to take the dog to the vet or even to feed it. If you can save up $5000 for a dog and wait on a waiting list for a year, you are more likely to be responsible enough to feed and care for your dog.

For horses, multiply everything by 10. You have to feed them (which means at least buying hay in the winter), it takes at least a few hours a week just to clean up after them and provide them water. You have to vet them and shoe them (even an unshoed horse needs his feet kept in shape) (horses have to be wormed and vaccinated, plus they can have health emergencies that would require immediately veterinary care).
 
2013-08-26 07:30:40 PM

KimNorth: What's wrong with friendship is magic?


Jerry Sandusky was just spreading friendship and magic too.
 
A7
2013-08-26 07:40:26 PM
Who's up for a Filly Cheese Steak? I'll take mine medium rare.

Yep, we're all food.
 
jvl
2013-08-26 07:48:33 PM

HeadLever: Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.


Nope.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar#Distribution_and_habitat

Damn Cougars will jump on you anywhere.
 
2013-08-26 07:57:45 PM
www.eunews.it

Europe already solved this problem...
 
2013-08-26 08:04:08 PM
There is no possible use for a rifle with a large magazine?

"Well what if you have to manage a herd of over 33 thousand horses, and over 5000 of them have to go.
images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2013-08-26 08:08:36 PM
blog.chili-tv.it

Is on the case....
 
2013-08-26 08:09:25 PM

Kimothy: My personal dislike for these two women doesn't help, but I'm of the opinion that they should be rounded up and sold to whomever wants to slaughter them and sell the parts off.


That's pretty harsh, dude.
 
2013-08-26 08:10:25 PM

HeadLever: Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.

Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.


I do wonder if we went back to the proverbial "state of nature" with no people around to hem the wolves and cougars into the bush, if the wovles might creep back out onto the open plains to eat the tasty horses.  I'd speculate that whatever predators went after the large bison herds would likely be able to take down horses as well.  (although from a brief trip into wikipedia it appears that the arrival of humans from the old world plus the end of the last ice age got rid of the things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion )

I guess until we're willing to import some lions or breed up some exceptionally large and bold wolves, humans are pretty much the only predators left.
 
2013-08-26 08:22:41 PM
HeadLever:

Acutally, it is not that Goverment refuses to deal with it.  It is just that their hands are tied in many regards due to the incessant lawsuits by environmental groups.  How can you deal with this issue when you can't even round them up?

dead horses are pretty slow why round them up? Scanveger be all nom nom nom.


to those say that horse are native to the americas, technically this is true.

but
All native Equidae  are long since extinct and what we now have running around  is a naturalized mongrel.

As far as I know, nobody has tried  the Invasive species act angle yet.
Under that the Dept Int/ BLM can use that to cull. Burden would be on the objection.
 
2013-08-26 08:54:30 PM
Let's eat,Wilber.

Let's eat wilber

It's easy just loose the comma.


will not list the various "non food" animals I've eaten, it's a long list
 a youth spent in many different countries/cultures will teach you :
 If it's organic someone somewhere thinks it's tasty
it doesn't matter if it's animal  or vegetable cases in point,  the balut and the durian
 
2013-08-26 08:58:00 PM

dolphkhan: Ship them overseas as a gift to some Dothraki khal. Problem solved.


Holy shiat, I think you just solved the problem.

Gather up wild stallions, give them away to all the countries in the world for good will.

I think Putin would love a bunch of wild American stallions for his horse stock.
 
2013-08-26 09:05:35 PM
FTA: BLM has long struggled to bring the horse population down to the mandated level of 23,622.

I'm afraid to ask how they arrived at that precise number, but no doubt Congress spent months arguing about it.
 
2013-08-26 09:11:51 PM

gnosis301: gadian: You don't eat your work animals.

Wrong.


If you eat them, they can't work for you anymore.  I can't eat my horse if I had to use it as transportation or to pull a plow.  Same with ox.  Eat your sheep, no wool.  Eat your cow, no milk.  Societies evolved these taboos partly out of necessity because stupid people would eat their work animals.  It depends if you define horse as "work" or "food".

The dietary restricted animals cow / pig etc. evolved because it took too many resource to fatten the animal up and starving people needed the grain etc. more.  Solution? Outlaw consumption of the animal.
 
2013-08-26 09:29:55 PM

HeadLever: MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork

Don't forget the time and effort to break a horse for riding.  Those that do this for a living are very specialized and they don't do it for free.


Hence why a good trained horse costs anywhere between 5 and 7 thousand.  You can't even break a horse to the saddle until it's 3 unless you want to create a swayback nag.
 
2013-08-26 09:38:43 PM

hb0mb: The BLM is so farking incompetent. They easily could have solved the problem long ago by gelding stallions and giving mares birth control issuing 'horse tags' to thousands of hunters every fall, just as they (or whomever) issues deer and elk tags.  Instead they've dicked around for years cramming excess horses into tiny pens.


Fixed.
 
2013-08-26 09:48:05 PM

gadian: gnosis301: gadian: You don't eat your work animals.

Wrong.

If you eat them, they can't work for you anymore.  I can't eat my horse if I had to use it as transportation or to pull a plow.  Same with ox.  Eat your sheep, no wool.  Eat your cow, no milk.  Societies evolved these taboos partly out of necessity because stupid people would eat their work animals.  It depends if you define horse as "work" or "food".

The dietary restricted animals cow / pig etc. evolved because it took too many resource to fatten the animal up and starving people needed the grain etc. more.  Solution? Outlaw consumption of the animal.


You eat the working/wool/dairy/egg laying animals when they are old and worn out, and cannot do their work any longer. (or it's excess males in your flock, in which case you eat them when they are young and tender)  The old worn out ones make the bestest sausage and soup, as they are toughy and stringy, yet flavorful.  Grind it down or boil it, and no one will be the wiser about the age of the mutton.
 
2013-08-26 09:50:07 PM

Bonzo_1116: gadian: gnosis301: gadian: You don't eat your work animals.

Wrong.

If you eat them, they can't work for you anymore.  I can't eat my horse if I had to use it as transportation or to pull a plow.  Same with ox.  Eat your sheep, no wool.  Eat your cow, no milk.  Societies evolved these taboos partly out of necessity because stupid people would eat their work animals.  It depends if you define horse as "work" or "food".

The dietary restricted animals cow / pig etc. evolved because it took too many resource to fatten the animal up and starving people needed the grain etc. more.  Solution? Outlaw consumption of the animal.

You eat the working/wool/dairy/egg laying animals when they are old and worn out, and cannot do their work any longer. (or it's excess males in your flock, in which case you eat them when they are young and tender)  The old worn out ones make the bestest sausage and soup, as they are toughy and stringy, yet flavorful.  Grind it down or boil it, and no one will be the wiser about the age of the mutton.


At that point, the animal has gone from the work definition to food.  Like the barn cat too blind to catch anymore mice.
 
2013-08-26 09:51:04 PM

gadian: gnosis301: gadian: You don't eat your work animals.

Wrong.

If you eat them, they can't work for you anymore.  I can't eat my horse if I had to use it as transportation or to pull a plow.  Same with ox.  Eat your sheep, no wool.  Eat your cow, no milk.  Societies evolved these taboos partly out of necessity because stupid people would eat their work animals.  It depends if you define horse as "work" or "food".

The dietary restricted animals cow / pig etc. evolved because it took too many resource to fatten the animal up and starving people needed the grain etc. more.  Solution? Outlaw consumption of the animal.


My Dad always said that the reason why desert people abhorred pigs was because they are digging animals, not grazers. They could destroy the delicate desert oasis soil looking for roots and grubs.

/no clue how true it is
 
2013-08-26 09:55:58 PM
As an aficionado of shell cordovan, I hope horse slaughterhouses reopen across this great land and the current shell shortage ends swiftly.

/moar shoes
//and other excellent leather goods
 
2013-08-26 10:21:29 PM
Think ah'll jess wait fer the buzzfeed - "17 Words That Haven't  Had 'Pocalypse' Stapled On The End Them Yet" featured add.
 
2013-08-26 10:29:38 PM
www1.artflakes.com

Wild horses are majestic. Cows are kind of... ungainly. I guess it's a variant of the "Don't want to eat cute things" syndrome.
 
2013-08-26 10:56:52 PM

jvl: Nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar#Distribution_and_habitat


Actually that pretty much confirms my point.  From you link:

The cougar prefers regions with dense underbrush, but can live with little vegetation in open areas. Its preferred habitats include precipitous canyons, escarpments, rim rocks, and dense brush.

In other words they tend to prefer brushy areas.  Of course they can be found in the open grasslands and open deserts, however, cougar does not have great stamina and is not really much of a threat to horses in this setting.  They may get the drop in on a few, but it will be a pretty rare occurance.
 
2013-08-26 11:09:26 PM

Bonzo_1116: I do wonder if we went back to the proverbial "state of nature" with no people around to hem the wolves and cougars into the bush, if the wovles might creep back out onto the open plains to eat the tasty horses.


Yeah, I could see that happening.  However, since both are hunted in most areas of the intermountain west, they tend to stay close to cover.
 
2013-08-27 12:22:04 AM
This is a fabricated issue! To put it in perspective, we kill 4000 cows every hour in America.  The only reason these wild horses are seen as a threat to the environment is because of the heading culture mentality we are all indoctrinated into, in which might makes right. Grow up, factory farming kills 75 million animals a day in this country, and you think a population of less than 100,000 wild horses is somehow a threat, that is silly logic.  We shouldn't do anything, we should allow them to live their lives free, as nature intended, and start castrating some of the macho farkers on this thread.
 
2013-08-27 12:29:02 AM

roaneranger: bojon: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

There was a horse relative that was a native. 2 million years ago.

Maybe we should have elephants running loose. We used to have mammoths here too.


We have human mammoths now.
 
2013-08-27 12:33:54 AM

blender61: to those say that horse are native to the americas, technically this is true.

but
All native Equidae are long since extinct and what we now have running around is a naturalized mongrel.


Those native horses were also equus ferus. They aren't notably different from modern horses.
 
2013-08-27 12:42:13 AM
Interesting reading all the Comments from people who've never seen a wild horse, a wild herd nor who know anything about horses and the West.
 
2013-08-27 12:47:00 AM

gadian: gnosis301: gadian: You don't eat your work animals.

Wrong.

If you eat them, they can't work for you anymore.  I can't eat my horse if I had to use it as transportation or to pull a plow.  Same with ox.  Eat your sheep, no wool.  Eat your cow, no milk.  Societies evolved these taboos partly out of necessity because stupid people would eat their work animals.  It depends if you define horse as "work" or "food".

The dietary restricted animals cow / pig etc. evolved because it took too many resource to fatten the animal up and starving people needed the grain etc. more.  Solution? Outlaw consumption of the animal.


I dont know if it was as much the amount of grain needed to feed a cow as it was before refrigeration you would probably lose more than you'd eat.
 
2013-08-27 01:00:42 AM
t0.gstatic.com
Ahhhh crap! Someone mentioned horses. Gonna be a sh*t-ton of Pony pics headed this way soon. Better get in the bunker and close the door quick.
 
2013-08-27 01:18:37 AM

gweilo8888: The whole problem is easily dealt with, thanks to the Homeland Security Act. . Have them rounded up and shipped off to Guantanamo, where they can be melted down away from the public gaze.

Extraordinary rendering, if you will.


Niiice
 
2013-08-27 01:43:24 AM

Bonzo_1116: HeadLever: Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.

Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.

I do wonder if we went back to the proverbial "state of nature" with no people around to hem the wolves and cougars into the bush, if the wovles might creep back out onto the open plains to eat the tasty horses.  I'd speculate that whatever predators went after the large bison herds would likely be able to take down horses as well.  (although from a brief trip into wikipedia it appears that the arrival of humans from the old world plus the end of the last ice age got rid of the things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion )

I guess until we're willing to import some lions or breed up some exceptionally large and bold wolves, humans are pretty much the only predators left.


Wolves love elk and a horse is about the same size without the antlers. There's no reason why they wouldn't hunt horses (and have in other situations).

 Wolves also hunt bison if they have to, and have been recorded hunting them regularly in Yellowstone for the packs that only have bison in their area as a primary food source. Historically, the wolves that hunted bison on the plains in the "Old West" were huge animals. Again, no reason to believe they wouldn't hunt horses.

 People are frustrating, I love horses as much as the next person. I'm personally, not going to eat them unless I'm starving. But at the same time, I don't let folks in India tell me I can't eat beef. If someone wants to eat horse, that's fine. Treat it humanely and kill it cleanly and don't cave to corporations telling you they need more horse meat and trying to get most of them killed off and sold. (That's actually the only thing I'm really concerned about regarding our wild horses...)

 Horses, like every other species, always produce more population than the local environment can handle, so you have only a few options.

 -Expand the environment indefinitely (can't be done).
 -Allow some to die. The choice of death depends on what you're most comfortable with.
     -Predation (humans, wolves cougars).
     -Starvation (when they run out of resources.)

 That's it. You're going to have to pick one. Or sit back, do nothing, and one will be picked for you (usually starvation).

/Gelding and birth control are unfortunately not practical due to the cost.
 
2013-08-27 01:48:19 AM

cuzsis: Bonzo_1116: HeadLever: Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.

Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.

I do wonder if we went back to the proverbial "state of nature" with no people around to hem the wolves and cougars into the bush, if the wovles might creep back out onto the open plains to eat the tasty horses.  I'd speculate that whatever predators went after the large bison herds would likely be able to take down horses as well.  (although from a brief trip into wikipedia it appears that the arrival of humans from the old world plus the end of the last ice age got rid of the things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion )

I guess until we're willing to import some lions or breed up some exceptionally large and bold wolves, humans are pretty much the only predators left.

Wolves love elk and a horse is about the same size without the antlers. There's no reason why they wouldn't hunt horses (and have in other situations).

 Wolves also hunt bison if they have to, and have been recorded hunting them regularly in Yellowstone for the packs that only have bison in their area as a primary food source. Historically, the wolves that hunted bison on the plains in the "Old West" were huge animals. Again, no reason to believe they wouldn't hunt horses.

 People are frustrating, I love horses as much as the next person. I'm personally, not going to eat them unless I'm starving. But at the same time, I don't let folks in India tell me I can't eat beef. If someone wants to eat horse, that's fine. Treat it humanely and kill it cleanly and don't cave to corporations telling you they need more horse meat and trying to ...



 I stand corrected on the birth control bit...looks like my info was old. 

 That being said, there is also quite a bit of controversy over the actual number of wild horses currently roaming the country. This is concerning for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that we manage to get fairly accurate numbers on every other major species without too much trouble (ie: Deer and elk for hunting number purposes). 

 So if there is controversy, there is something foul going on. Best thing to do is follow the money to see what's up. 

/I'm making no claims as to which side is correct. I'm just looking at the over all picture versus every other major animal population in the United States. Something is wrong.
 
2013-08-27 02:32:40 AM

cuzsis: cuzsis: Bonzo_1116: HeadLever: Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.

Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.

I do wonder if we went back to the proverbial "state of nature" with no people around to hem the wolves and cougars into the bush, if the wovles might creep back out onto the open plains to eat the tasty horses.  I'd speculate that whatever predators went after the large bison herds would likely be able to take down horses as well.  (although from a brief trip into wikipedia it appears that the arrival of humans from the old world plus the end of the last ice age got rid of the things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion )

I guess until we're willing to import some lions or breed up some exceptionally large and bold wolves, humans are pretty much the only predators left.

Wolves love elk and a horse is about the same size without the antlers. There's no reason why they wouldn't hunt horses (and have in other situations).

 Wolves also hunt bison if they have to, and have been recorded hunting them regularly in Yellowstone for the packs that only have bison in their area as a primary food source. Historically, the wolves that hunted bison on the plains in the "Old West" were huge animals. Again, no reason to believe they wouldn't hunt horses.

 People are frustrating, I love horses as much as the next person. I'm personally, not going to eat them unless I'm starving. But at the same time, I don't let folks in India tell me I can't eat beef. If someone wants to eat horse, that's fine. Treat it humanely and kill it cleanly and don't cave to corporations telling you they need more horse meat and trying to ...


 I stand corrected on the birth control bit...looks like my info was old. 

 That being said, there is also quite a bit of controversy over the actual number of wild horses currently roaming the country. This is concerning for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that we manage to get fairly accurate numbers on every other major species without too much trouble (ie: Deer and elk for hunting number purposes). 

 So if there is controversy, there is something foul going on. Best thing to do is follow the money to see what's up. 

/I'm making no claims as to which side is correct. I'm just looking at the over all picture versus every other major animal population in the United States. Something is wrong.


Well when they are doing like a helecopter survey to count how many deer/elk are in an area all of them are wild. Horses can be hard to distinguish from a chopper if you are in like ranch country and not in a nature preserve of somekind.
 
2013-08-27 03:22:25 AM

Kahabut: Headso: Kahabut: It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.

you can get a horse for free pretty easy but it will probably not be good for riding, that's when they start costing money.

Actually, I knew that.  My aunt has several rescue horses.  I helped rehabilitate a couple of them.  Have a few scars to prove it.

/some of those farkers still had teeth.


My folks adopted a mustang, a lot of work and you have to know what your doing, but she turned into a fantastic riding horse, tough as nails but gentle as can be. Anyone could ride her, little kids, cute girls from the city who never ride. she was bulletproof. great horse.
and for you crazy whacked in the head nuts... why would you eat horse unless you were starving?
 
2013-08-27 03:40:39 AM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: and for you crazy whacked in the head nuts... why would you eat horse unless you were starving?


Because they're tasty? I want a good horse steak. It's a shame you can't get them in the US.
 
2013-08-27 04:04:38 AM

MBooda: They couldn't drag me away.

/we'll ride them, someday


I see what you did there.

eil.com
 
2013-08-27 06:37:44 AM

This text is now purple: blender61: to those say that horse are native to the americas, technically this is true.

but
All native Equidae are long since extinct and what we now have running around is a naturalized mongrel.

Those native horses were also equus ferus. They aren't notably different from modern horses.



Did a bit of digging because I was going off of memory and my info is dated.

 It gets rather complicated rather quickly.
It boils down to who you ask and by what standard and definition you use.
It was agreed that wild horse (equus ferus) went extinct in North America at the end of the Pleistocene.
Whether or not the current wild horse (equus ferus  caballus) is native or introduced is up for debate.
It degenerates to the point of quibbling over the definitions of feral and wild.

the quick read of the Mustang Wiki was interesting.

more than I ever wanted to know about horses, wild, feral,domestic or undifferentiated other.
 
2013-08-27 07:41:42 AM

TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.

This. Horse meat is supposedly very tasty. The French eat it, and I think that their judgement should be trusted in all matters culinary.


Counter Point: escargo
 
2013-08-27 08:39:40 AM

naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.


McDonalds has been working to change this attitude for some years now.

/probably been said already
//too lazy to RTF entire thread
 
2013-08-27 09:45:43 AM
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/Young Bono asks the important question about what to do with all those Wild Horses.
 
2013-08-27 10:14:29 AM
1. We have horses
2. other countries eat horses
3. PROFIT!
 
2013-08-27 03:01:39 PM

spidermilk: Breeders that produce quality animal get high prices ($5000 for dogs, $10,000 PLUS for horses) get that much money for a few reasons:


I guess it depends on what you consider 'quality'.  My parents bred our family pet dogs a bit, produced a few litters of quality house pet type dogs.  We're talking puppies in a playpen located in the living room level breeding.  Cindy, the mother, was a pup from champion lines(IE not only showed, but won shows).  Completely natural births, and she even house-trained them. 
We weren't selling dogs for no $5k.  Heck, Cindy wasn't even $5k.

$5k would be for beyond just 'quality' and into special purpose - showing or serious work.

blender61: Whether or not the current wild horse (equus ferus caballus) is native or introduced is up for debate.


The argument is that the Native Americans would have been riding horses if they had access to them.  All evidence is that the wild horse population is basically 100% feral descendants of horses brought over from Europe and such and released/escaped into the wild.
 
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