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2013-08-26 05:34:38 PM

phenn: Kahabut: No, but I learned at a very young age that horses are evil farkers, along with most other farm animals. Dangerous at both ends and crafty in the middle.

I've never walked behind a horse in my life, and I rarely go near the front either (anymore). Seen one too many people seriously injured by a pissed off horse. Never did understand the attitude of the humans that were trying to get the horse to do something. It's bigger than you, and not happy about what you are doing, you might want to reconsider

Some can be monumental assholes, I'll give you that. My dad's were quite mellow. Big-ass draft horses. Mine, on the other hand, wasn't so delightful. I had finished cleaning a back hoof when a fly gave him a nice bite on the arse. As soon as I put his hoof down - KABLAMMOMYTE.

I forgave him, of course. But, I never forgave that godforsaken rooster, Frank, who spurred me the next day.

Ever dropkick a rooster? Satisfying.


Haha good times.

I've never kicked a rooster, but that does sound like fun.  When I was about 15, I was on the family farm for the summer working for my grandparents.  I told them in no uncertain terms that if that farking rooster woke me up again, I was going to shoot it.  It did, I did, and grandma (as I'm walking back into the house with the rifle) says "guess we're having chicken for dinner, when you get up again, you go clean that bird up".  It was so worth it.

I'm not a fan of abusing animals, but some of them do really beg for it.  (horses not included)
 
2013-08-26 05:35:12 PM

This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.


There was a horse relative that was a native. 2 million years ago.
 
2013-08-26 05:37:00 PM
300 million plus increasingly tubby people roam free in this country, but anything over about 23,000 horses is just too damn many.

It reminds me of the douchebags in Idaho complaining that a few hundred wolves in the wild is too many. Why? It's partly ranchers complaining, but it's also because the wolves sometimes take down big game and the sports hunting industry thinks any big animal that they don't get to shoot has been stolen from them.

On a related note, wolves do prey on horses in some areas.
 
2013-08-26 05:38:29 PM

ZeroCorpse: Just leave them alone. Let nature work it out. It's pretty arrogant of humans to think the horse population needs our intervention. They got along fine before we got out of the trees.


And it seems even better since we brought them to a location they never inhabited before. I don't think it is arrogant to think we need to fix our own mistakes.
 
2013-08-26 05:39:39 PM
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2013-08-26 05:39:51 PM
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2013-08-26 05:41:12 PM

kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...


Nope. Originated in the Americas 2-4 million years ago. Disappeared in NA about 11,000 years ago (damned Indians), but had migrated into Asia and Europe by then. Reintroduced by the Spaniards in the 1500s, where they basically reestablished their old range. They're a grassland megafauna, perfectly suited for bison country.
 
2013-08-26 05:41:28 PM

fjnorton: Sarsin: i don't understand the issue.

When raccoon population gets out of hand you start killing raccoon.
When the deer population gets out of hand you start killing deer.
When the rodent population gets out of hand you start killing rodents.

What makes horses special?

Or homeless people too right?

//Solutions right there


The problem in each case is a lack of natural populations of predators to cull the populations and maintain a classic boom and bust in the animal kingdom. So perhaps we need to wrangle a mess of lions out to the western scrub. Pour in enough lions that they adapt and make their own population that can keep the homeless in check.
 
2013-08-26 05:49:50 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: [299x76 from http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4PyuBNP2o38/Tp8xDNCfCJI/AAAAAAAACNM/bg00O0eU Pn4/s400/horse-glue2X.gif image 299x76]


Believe it or not - I actually glued my horse back together with this last time I broke it
 
2013-08-26 05:51:05 PM

farkingismybusiness: Goodbye horses.

/I'm flying over you.


I went from watching Louis CK's "Schindler's List" joke at lunch to "goodbye horses" and my brain broke.
 
2013-08-26 05:51:59 PM

ZeroCorpse: Just leave them alone. Let nature work it out. It's pretty arrogant of humans to think the horse population needs our intervention. They got along fine before we got out of the trees.


Is that your answer to every destructive invasive species?
 
2013-08-26 05:52:28 PM
Horschwitz?
 
2013-08-26 05:55:19 PM
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2013-08-26 05:56:23 PM
Kahabut:
It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.

The majority of horses aren't that expensive.  Sure, a quality race horse, roping horse or dressage prospect, but those are the high-end performers and those who have value for breeding more great performers.  Your average horse costs anything from free to a few hundred dollars, your show prospects one- to four-thousand.  Its maintaining them that gets really expensive.  Hay, grain, supplements, vaccines, worming, shoes - even more if you board somewhere.

I would say from my experience that most horse lovers are opposed to eating horse meat because horses are beautiful and so highly sensitive.  People love them the way they love their cats and dogs, and we don't eat them either.  When horses were considered more of a working animal eating them was far more acceptable;  with the advent of motorized transportation, the horse became a luxury pet, riding became a pastime for people with money.

I have many friends in the horse community who are adamantly opposed to slaughter.  Its surprising, because the last few years have given us a really clear picture on why a slaughterhouse is a better option.  Plenty of horse owners can barely afford their horses.  When the recession hit a lot of local owners stopped caring properly for their animals, and the market for selling horses died.  You can sell your horse to the kill pen buyers who ship to Mexico and Canada, but people are uncomfortable with the foreign canners because the industry is so under-regulated, particularly in Mexico, and abuse abounds.  Another thing people around here (rural Washington) have been doing is taking their horses out near the BLM lands or up in the Cascades and turning them loose, which is amazingly stupid.  Domestic horses can't survive in the wild -- they quickly starve, died of thirst or are eating by predators.   Out in the rangeland in Eastern Washington you can see thousands of carcasses, mostly of domestic horses set loose by idiotic owners who couldn't afford them anymore.  God forbid they should spend a couple of hundred bucks to at least have the animal humanely euthanized by a vet...hell no, let's just set them FREE so they can RUN WILD.  Ugh.

Wild horses would not typically be suitable for human consumption; just like most game, they don't have a high fat content in the meat and it would probably not be especially palatable.  However, we have a thriving dog food industry, and I'd sure the hell rather see horses go be humanely slaughtered and provide sustenance for other living beings rather than starving to death or dying of thirst because we have a drought.  I have no problem whatsoever with reviving the US's slaughter industry, provided its well-regulated and humanely done.

The mustangs have been mismanaged for so long that its hard to see a better alternative.  There are just too many of them, and the farmers and the taxpayers ought not to be paying the price.
 
2013-08-26 06:05:51 PM

This text is now purple: kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...

Nope. Originated in the Americas 2-4 million years ago. Disappeared in NA about 11,000 years ago (damned Indians), but had migrated into Asia and Europe by then. Reintroduced by the Spaniards in the 1500s, where they basically reestablished their old range. They're a grassland megafauna, perfectly suited for bison country.


Feral horses in the high plains here in the US:
org2.democracyinaction.org


Real undomesticated horses (not actually the parent species to the domestic horse, I don't think):
cdn1.arkive.org

They're not really the same anymore--like cattle, the true wild parent species is no longer with us.  And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.


/Images are hot, like a grilled horse sausage.
 
2013-08-26 06:11:44 PM

Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.


Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.
 
2013-08-26 06:14:13 PM
When I was younger, I thought I wanted a horse.   My parents said we can't afford one.   I looked up the regulations about mustang adoption, because I had heard that they were free.   When I saw the list of requirements, I realized that even a free horse was expensive

BLM Requirements Page
 
2013-08-26 06:14:55 PM
What a wild Mustang might look like:

mustangsdaily.com
 
2013-08-26 06:15:18 PM

Bonzo_1116: This text is now purple: kidgenius: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

LOLWUT?

You thinking about all the imagery of Indians riding horses? That's all due to the Spaniards...

Nope. Originated in the Americas 2-4 million years ago. Disappeared in NA about 11,000 years ago (damned Indians), but had migrated into Asia and Europe by then. Reintroduced by the Spaniards in the 1500s, where they basically reestablished their old range. They're a grassland megafauna, perfectly suited for bison country.

Feral horses in the high plains here in the US:
[400x300 from https://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6931/images/walker-carol-group-of -wild-horses-cantering-across-sagebrush-steppe-adobe-town-wyoming.jpg image 400x300]


Real undomesticated horses (not actually the parent species to the domestic horse, I don't think):
[650x418 from http://cdn1.arkive.org/media/5C/5CE48FE4-C3E2-4FE0-AD28-77E336AFDC88/P resentation.Large/Group-of-Przewalskis-horses.jpg image 650x418]

They're not really the same anymore--like cattle, the true wild parent species is no longer with us.  And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.


/Images are hot, like a grilled horse sausage.


Przewalski's horse is just the permanently feral strain of horse. They've been genetically isolated for a long time, but seem to come from the same ancestor species -- which, itself, may have just been the modern horse.

It's sort of like arguing that wild bison no longer exist -- the kept bison we have now aren't a different animal.
 
2013-08-26 06:15:46 PM
EAT THEM. Problem solved!
 
2013-08-26 06:16:41 PM

abfalter: naughtyrev: If people in this country would just get over their "but I wanted a pony when I was a kid!" attitude and start eating horse, this wouldn't be a problem.


We don't even have to eat them.  A simple law change; allow them to be hunted.  Hunters will come; they love a good killin' of something they ain't kilt 'afore.


Some folk'll never shoot a horse, but then again some folk'll.
 
2013-08-26 06:16:57 PM

fjnorton: Sarsin: i don't understand the issue.

When raccoon population gets out of hand you start killing raccoon.
When the deer population gets out of hand you start killing deer.
When the rodent population gets out of hand you start killing rodents.

What makes horses special?

Or homeless people too right?

//Solutions right there


Homeless people are animals.
 
2013-08-26 06:17:23 PM
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/something something something cupcakes.
 
2013-08-26 06:22:50 PM
You rang?
 
2013-08-26 06:24:21 PM

No Wire Hangers: The majority of horses aren't that expensive. Sure, a quality race horse, roping horse or dressage prospect, but those are the high-end performers and those who have value for breeding more great performers. Your average horse costs anything from free to a few hundred dollars, your show prospects one- to four-thousand. Its maintaining them that gets really expensive. Hay, grain, supplements, vaccines, worming, shoes - even more if you board somewhere.


Some ranchers will take some of the younger feral horses if they think that they can use them.  Some of them work out pretty well for general workhorses, but they will never compete with the domesticated breeds.
 
2013-08-26 06:25:37 PM

Kahabut: gadian: They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.

I've seen a cow pull a plow.  I've seen horses graze in a field all day.  I'm pretty sure your classification is either blatantly wrong, or just dumb.

Horses are, at best, pets.  I like horses, I like riding, and I enjoy their limited companionship.  There are, however, too damn many of them.

It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.


Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork. Anything past $1500 or so is probably greed though, it takes $800-1200 per puppy to responsibly breed.
 
2013-08-26 06:28:26 PM
MechTard: ~per puppy to responsibly breed.

I'm not sure you can convince me there is any such thing as responsible breeding.

That is, however, just my opinion and I'm not advocating anything as a result of it, I just don't think that breeding dogs is good for anyone except the breeder's bank account.
 
2013-08-26 06:28:48 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

They lied?
 
2013-08-26 06:29:53 PM

MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork


Don't forget the time and effort to break a horse for riding.  Those that do this for a living are very specialized and they don't do it for free.
 
2013-08-26 06:31:07 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 06:40:21 PM

HeadLever: MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork

Don't forget the time and effort to break a horse for riding.  Those that do this for a living are very specialized and they don't do it for free.


30 days of training runs about $600 including board.  Its not *that* much.
 
2013-08-26 06:56:50 PM

No Wire Hangers: Wild horses would not typically be suitable for human consumption; just like most game, they don't have a high fat content in the meat and it would probably not be especially palatable.


Uh...  My history of eating deer, moose, elk, and such don't count?  You have to cook it a bit differently, but it's still excellent.

MechTard: Actually, it is mostly vet bills and paperwork. Anything past $1500 or so is probably greed though, it takes $800-1200 per puppy to responsibly breed.


Let's see:
Stud fee $100
Mom's vet visits:  $500
Vet examination: $50 per puppy
Vaccinations, multiple trips: $100
Registration paperwork: $100
Food, ~8 weeks, special puppy variety: $100
Number of puppies:  Let's go with 6
End result:  ~$450 per puppy.  Normally you have one that can't ethically be sold due to defect*.

*At least my parents didn't sell such types, though they'd give it away with full disclosure.  Had one pup with a malformed front right paw that a retired gentleman took.  Convinced him that she wouldn't eat anything but steak and ground round, rode with him in his golf cart.  Dad taught her how to walk with the assistance of a sling.
 
2013-08-26 06:58:45 PM
the horse is an invasive species.

the fact that the Gov'ment refuses to deal with that issue while allowing the killing of buffalo that stray outside of Yellowstone is yet another example of the fundamental ignorance of the Powers that be to do the job that they are entrusted too.
 
2013-08-26 06:58:59 PM
eat it, wilbur

just eat it
 
2013-08-26 07:09:47 PM

bojon: This text is now purple: stuhayes2010: Horses are an invasive species. Pure n simple. Treat them like kutzoo.

Horses are native to North America.

There was a horse relative that was a native. 2 million years ago.


Maybe we should have elephants running loose. We used to have mammoths here too.
 
2013-08-26 07:10:08 PM
No BIlly Jack pics?
Farkers, I am dissapoint.
 
2013-08-26 07:14:03 PM

Maerow: EAT THEM. Problem solved!


Belmont steaks?
 
2013-08-26 07:15:10 PM
Bronies are still a thing, I see. *sigh*
 
2013-08-26 07:17:51 PM

blender61: the fact that the Gov'ment refuses to deal with that issue while allowing the killing of buffalo that stray outside of Yellowstone is yet another example of the fundamental ignorance of the Powers that be to do the job that they are entrusted too.


Acutally, it is not that Goverment refuses to deal with it.  It is just that their hands are tied in many regards due to the incessant lawsuits by environmental groups.  How can you deal with this issue when you can't even round them up?
 
2013-08-26 07:18:27 PM
CSB:

I was vacationing in Italy recently and had to run out for food supplies. While searching for baby food, we discovered a bizarre selection of meat purees for babies. Horse was one of them.

/CSB
 
2013-08-26 07:21:21 PM
Dog meat tastes awful. Horse meat tastes meh.

I say this as a super lib animal lover: cull the herd damn it.
 
2013-08-26 07:27:58 PM

Kahabut: gadian: They're work animals.  You don't eat your work animals.

I've seen a cow pull a plow.  I've seen horses graze in a field all day.  I'm pretty sure your classification is either blatantly wrong, or just dumb.

Horses are, at best, pets.  I like horses, I like riding, and I enjoy their limited companionship.  There are, however, too damn many of them.

It kinda makes you wonder why a horse costs so farking much to buy.  I guess it's like puppies you get from a breeder.  Pure greed.


Ok, on the off hand that you don't really understand why horses might cost a lot of money (or puppies from breeders), let me explain it for you. People who can no longer afford their horses or are breeding dogs idiotically to make money sell their horses for $500 or less and their dogs for $100-200.

Breeders that produce quality animal get high prices ($5000 for dogs, $10,000 PLUS for horses) get that much money for a few reasons:

1. Showing and titling animals costs a ton of money. I'm not going to break it down for you, but to get a basic obedience title on a dog you need at least 3 good shows at like $100 each and to get respectable titles you're talking about getting multiple titles which could easily end up costing $1000+ for a single dog. If you would pay $5k for a dog with untitled/unqualified parents you *are* an idiot. Even if you aren't doing dog shows but are training your dog to do other work (search and rescue, herding, anything that would show that they are suitable to do what they are bred for) takes a lot of time and usually money. Frankly, some dogs wash out and are unbreedable (if you are a good breeder).

2. People will pay that much (this is basically the tenant of all sales). I mean, if you are producing good dogs and have a waiting list for $5000 dogs then why would you lower the price? The people who tell me they don't have $125 to *adopt* a dog couldn't possibly have the money to take the dog to the vet or even to feed it. If you can save up $5000 for a dog and wait on a waiting list for a year, you are more likely to be responsible enough to feed and care for your dog.

For horses, multiply everything by 10. You have to feed them (which means at least buying hay in the winter), it takes at least a few hours a week just to clean up after them and provide them water. You have to vet them and shoe them (even an unshoed horse needs his feet kept in shape) (horses have to be wormed and vaccinated, plus they can have health emergencies that would require immediately veterinary care).
 
2013-08-26 07:30:40 PM

KimNorth: What's wrong with friendship is magic?


Jerry Sandusky was just spreading friendship and magic too.
 
A7
2013-08-26 07:40:26 PM
Who's up for a Filly Cheese Steak? I'll take mine medium rare.

Yep, we're all food.
 
jvl
2013-08-26 07:48:33 PM

HeadLever: Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.


Nope.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar#Distribution_and_habitat

Damn Cougars will jump on you anywhere.
 
2013-08-26 07:57:45 PM
www.eunews.it

Europe already solved this problem...
 
2013-08-26 08:04:08 PM
There is no possible use for a rifle with a large magazine?

"Well what if you have to manage a herd of over 33 thousand horses, and over 5000 of them have to go.
images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2013-08-26 08:08:36 PM
blog.chili-tv.it

Is on the case....
 
2013-08-26 08:09:25 PM

Kimothy: My personal dislike for these two women doesn't help, but I'm of the opinion that they should be rounded up and sold to whomever wants to slaughter them and sell the parts off.


That's pretty harsh, dude.
 
2013-08-26 08:10:25 PM

HeadLever: Bonzo_1116: And because humans got rid of almost all the wolves and mountain lions that maybe could have eaten them, there isn't any apex predator for them except ourselves.

Bzzt.  Wolves and cougars don't really inhabit the same land.  Wolve and cougar tend to stick to the forested and mountainous land,s while the horeses stick to the more open desert and grasslands.  Here in Idaho we have many of each and they rarely cross paths.


I do wonder if we went back to the proverbial "state of nature" with no people around to hem the wolves and cougars into the bush, if the wovles might creep back out onto the open plains to eat the tasty horses.  I'd speculate that whatever predators went after the large bison herds would likely be able to take down horses as well.  (although from a brief trip into wikipedia it appears that the arrival of humans from the old world plus the end of the last ice age got rid of the things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Lion )

I guess until we're willing to import some lions or breed up some exceptionally large and bold wolves, humans are pretty much the only predators left.
 
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