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2013-08-26 01:49:18 PM  
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2013-08-26 01:57:07 PM  
Didn't they find similar results with shrooms?

Basically, if you had a good and positive mind altering experience, you had a more positive and balanced mental state after a traumatic experience.

Not sure what happened to those that had a bad trip though....
 
2013-08-26 02:03:38 PM  

meat0918: Didn't they find similar results with shrooms?

Basically, if you had a good and positive mind altering experience, you had a more positive and balanced mental state after a traumatic experience.

Yeah, after you get to talk to the universe/god/whatever you want to call it, things seem to make sense.......

 
2013-08-26 02:41:47 PM  
I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.
 
2013-08-26 02:54:19 PM  
If you can get over the ZOMG DRUGS mindset, they have a lot of potential.  Ibogaine (why is this even illegal, I have NEVER seen it sold on the streets) has been used quite successfully to combat heroin addiction, and mushrooms have been shown to relieve cluster headaches.

Apos: [510x286 from http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/8e3/e4e/230/resized/dr-bishop-meme-genera tor-let-s-grow-some-lsd-1b1eed.jpg?1346251917.jpg image 510x286]

That's not 100% ridiculous, you do need to become a pretty specific kind of farmer to turn out LSD in any large quantities.  Then you basically need a degree in organic chemistry to get there, it's not like meth where some hillbilly can cook it up in a mt. dew bottle
 
2013-08-26 03:11:34 PM  

nekom: If you can get over the ZOMG DRUGS mindset, they have a lot of potential.  Ibogaine (why is this even illegal, I have NEVER seen it sold on the streets) has been used quite successfully to combat heroin addiction, and mushrooms have been shown to relieve cluster headaches.

Apos: [510x286 from http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/8e3/e4e/230/resized/dr-bishop-meme-genera tor-let-s-grow-some-lsd-1b1eed.jpg?1346251917.jpg image 510x286]
That's not 100% ridiculous, you do need to become a pretty specific kind of farmer to turn out LSD in any large quantities.  Then you basically need a degree in organic chemistry to get there, it's not like meth where some hillbilly can cook it up in a mt. dew bottle


If you listen to the "BIG PHARMA" conspiracy folks, it's because they can't patent something you can largely grow yourself, so it's illegal.

Personally, I blame the teetotalling fundies that don't want anyone to have ANY fun.
 
2013-08-26 03:12:35 PM  
So the solution to the Christian Right and Tea Party is to lace their drinks with LSD?
 
2013-08-26 03:17:10 PM  
I've always been of the opinion that those in charge of such decisions made all these obviously beneficial drugs illegal because they often have the side effect of making you less willing to be controlled. You end up becoming a hippie, or at least something similar. And hippies don't make good workers. They're usually happy with the basics and don't work harder than they have to.

But you gotta keep that capitalist machine running, apparently.
 
2013-08-26 03:17:44 PM  

meat0918: Didn't they find similar results with shrooms?



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2013-08-26 03:23:16 PM  
Yup, the (well funded, government) research has been around a long time. LSD improves intelligence (~10% IQ increase). It also causes those predisposed to schizophrenia to develop it sooner then they would have normally.
 
2013-08-26 03:30:19 PM  
This is nothing new.  In the 60s there was actually a lot of criticism towards Timothy Leary in the psychiatric community that he took a drug that had a lot of therapeutic potential which could have helped a lot of suffering people and turned it into a recreational street drug that eventually became outlawed simply because he was a selfish famewhore who loved the notoriety and hanging out with celebrities.
 
2013-08-26 03:38:23 PM  

Ambivalence: I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.


they are researching it too.
 
2013-08-26 03:47:46 PM  
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2013-08-26 03:48:53 PM  

Ambivalence: I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.


LSD, Ecstasy, mushrooms. All three are getting positive results and have for years.
 
2013-08-26 03:59:40 PM  

Ambivalence: I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.


Both, also peyote and mushrooms are documented as being extremely beneficial in that regard.
 
2013-08-26 04:01:33 PM  

InmanRoshi: This is nothing new.  In the 60s there was actually a lot of criticism towards Timothy Leary in the psychiatric community that he took a drug that had a lot of therapeutic potential which could have helped a lot of suffering people and turned it into a recreational street drug that eventually became outlawed simply because he was a selfish famewhore who loved the notoriety and hanging out with celebrities.


To be honest, I have some mixed feelings about that. I don't like the idea of the psychiatric community being the gatekeepers of who gets to take acid, when, and where. I've dealt with psychiatrists and most of them (yes, MOST) are horrible failures at what they do.

I think Leary saw that LSD was great and wanted as many people to take it as possible because he thought it could lead to a better society. I think he misunderstood what happens to drugs when they are let loose indiscriminately. But I do think that keeping it to psychiatrists is just as likely to be a recipe for disaster.
 
2013-08-26 04:05:13 PM  

nekom: If you can get over the ZOMG DRUGS mindset, they have a lot of potential.  Ibogaine (why is this even illegal, I have NEVER seen it sold on the streets) has been used quite successfully to combat heroin addiction, and mushrooms have been shown to relieve cluster headaches.


Ibogaine is no joke, it cost Muskie the Presidency.
 
2013-08-26 04:09:27 PM  
Nothing new here...
 
2013-08-26 04:11:42 PM  
I like to take a little mushroom trip about once every couple years.   Helps tighten the screws, if you take my meaning.
 
2013-08-26 04:26:45 PM  

meat0918: Didn't they find similar results with shrooms?

Basically, if you had a good and positive mind altering experience, you had a more positive and balanced mental state after a traumatic experience.

Not sure what happened to those that had a bad trip though....


You're exactly spot-on. LSD is something everyone should try at least once. Not an hero doses, but a couple gummies or tabs. The positivity and enlightenment stick with you a pretty good while. Same with shrooms. You just have to be smart about it. Set and setting. Because if you have a bad trip then you really only have yourself to blame for not taking said substances seriously.

Francis Cricke actually discovered the double-helix of DNA via LSD. He took small doses throughout the day for thinking purposes. His isn't the only discovery, but you won't find any of that in the textbooks.
 
2013-08-26 04:29:25 PM  

Ambivalence: ecstasy


I believe it was used in the early 80s to combat social anxiety and some other problems but it's medicinal use was never wide spread and it was classified as a schedule 1 drug about 85/86. I remember reading about it's potential medicinal benefits in a magazine while waiting to see my guidance councilor in high school.

/same magazine had an article about some kid named Jim Carrey who had just been cast in some NBC sitcom called Duck Factory but was turned down for SNL.
 
2013-08-26 04:31:11 PM  

mediablitz: Ambivalence: I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.

LSD, Ecstasy, mushrooms. All three are getting positive results and have for years.


Ecstasy is a bit trickier, because it has addiction potential that LSD and shrooms do not have. Ecstasy is also very similar to ritalin as far as what it does. So much, in fact, that if you take ecstasy while ritalin is in your system it won't be as effective. So LSD and shrooms I'm all for, and ecstasy, possibly, depends on the circumstances and dosage.
 
2013-08-26 04:37:16 PM  

ParagonComplex: meat0918: Didn't they find similar results with shrooms?

Basically, if you had a good and positive mind altering experience, you had a more positive and balanced mental state after a traumatic experience.

Not sure what happened to those that had a bad trip though....

You're exactly spot-on. LSD is something everyone should try at least once. Not an hero doses, but a couple gummies or tabs. The positivity and enlightenment stick with you a pretty good while. Same with shrooms. You just have to be smart about it. Set and setting. Because if you have a bad trip then you really only have yourself to blame for not taking said substances seriously.

Francis Cricke actually discovered the double-helix of DNA via LSD. He took small doses throughout the day for thinking purposes. His isn't the only discovery, but you won't find any of that in the textbooks.


See, I like me at the moment, and will I still be me after I take something like that.
 
2013-08-26 04:41:33 PM  
meat0918:
See, I like me at the moment, and will I still be me after I take something like that.

Not to overstate it, but it CAN be life changing.  That can be in good ways, bad ways, or a mix of both.  If you have any doubts that you should take it, you probably shouldn't.  If you choose to do it, you would do well to extensively research it first, that goes for any substance.
 
2013-08-26 04:42:19 PM  

adamatari: I think Leary saw that LSD was great and wanted as many people to take it as possible because he thought it could lead to a better society. I think he misunderstood what happens to drugs when they are let loose indiscriminately. But I do think that keeping it to psychiatrists is just as likely to be a recipe for disaster.


While that was one aspect of it, I believe it's also a bit sanitzed and white washed.   Leary also was a bit of a famewhore with a  messiah complex who loved the sound of his own voice.  This isn't just coming from "Da Man", but from people like Owsley Stanley.   I know we can't besmirch our beloved counter culture figures we had hanging on posters from freshman  dorm room walls, but still...
 
2013-08-26 04:49:43 PM  
Done in one
 
2013-08-26 04:52:38 PM  
I feel like LSD & mushrooms are similar the total perspective vortex from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (minus the agonizing death part). The handful of times I've tripped, it felt like I could feel just how enormous the universe is and how tiny I am in comparison. However, not in a bad way, in a way that made me feel connected to the enormity of the universe. It was a humbling experience for me personally.
 
2013-08-26 05:02:44 PM  

ParagonComplex: mediablitz: Ambivalence: I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.

LSD, Ecstasy, mushrooms. All three are getting positive results and have for years.

Ecstasy is a bit trickier, because it has addiction potential that LSD and shrooms do not have. Ecstasy is also very similar to ritalin as far as what it does. So much, in fact, that if you take ecstasy while ritalin is in your system it won't be as effective. So LSD and shrooms I'm all for, and ecstasy, possibly, depends on the circumstances and dosage.


I may be confusing ecstacy with Ketamine? shiat. Don't have time to go hunt down the article.

At any rate, agree about LSD and shrooms. Birthday is coming up...
 
2013-08-26 05:06:59 PM  
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Just because he was a bit of a nut doesn't mean he was wrong about everything.
 
2013-08-26 05:07:55 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So the solution to the Christian Right and Tea Party is to lace their drinks with LSD?


There's a Freak Brothers comic where Birchers dose out on LSD.
 
2013-08-26 05:37:35 PM  
This is not a repeat from the 60s.


Apik0r0s: nekom: If you can get over the ZOMG DRUGS mindset, they have a lot of potential.  Ibogaine (why is this even illegal, I have NEVER seen it sold on the streets) has been used quite successfully to combat heroin addiction, and mushrooms have been shown to relieve cluster headaches.

Ibogaine is no joke, it cost Muskie the Presidency.


Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
 
2013-08-26 05:47:22 PM  
Meanwhile, in the land of the free...

SCHEDULE 1 SCHEDULE 1

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

GO TO JAIL
 
2013-08-26 07:16:16 PM  

ParagonComplex: meat0918: Didn't they find similar results with shrooms?

Basically, if you had a good and positive mind altering experience, you had a more positive and balanced mental state after a traumatic experience.

Not sure what happened to those that had a bad trip though....

You're exactly spot-on. LSD is something everyone should try at least once. Not an hero doses, but a couple gummies or tabs. The positivity and enlightenment stick with you a pretty good while. Same with shrooms. You just have to be smart about it. Set and setting. Because if you have a bad trip then you really only have yourself to blame for not taking said substances seriously.

Francis Cricke actually discovered the double-helix of DNA via LSD. He took small doses throughout the day for thinking purposes. His isn't the only discovery, but you won't find any of that in the textbooks.


Well he was definitely high since Rosalind Franklin figured it out first. To be blunt, Franklin seemed like she was a biatch, also might have been subject to a bit of sexism. Who knows? Anyway, one day James Watson visited Franklin where she chewed him out for implying she couldn't read her own data. Maurice Wilkins, a coworker of Franklin's who was so at odds with her they paired off into two teams, heard the commotion and ran into Watson. He showed Watson Franklin's data showing it's double helical structure. It's in Watson's own autobiographical account.
 
2013-08-26 08:23:18 PM  

Precision Boobery: Meanwhile, in the land of the free...

SCHEDULE 1 SCHEDULE 1

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

GO TO JAIL


That reminds me, can anyone actually do any new research or trials on Schedule 1 drugs in the States?
 
2013-08-26 08:29:47 PM  

sno man: Precision Boobery: Meanwhile, in the land of the free...

SCHEDULE 1 SCHEDULE 1

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

GO TO JAIL

That reminds me, can anyone actually do any new research or trials on Schedule 1 drugs in the States?


Our laboratory studies cocaine addiction as a function of gene expression in the nucleus accumbens.  We also use PCP given to rats as a model of schizophrenia.
 
2013-08-26 08:37:25 PM  

Skanque: sno man: Precision Boobery: Meanwhile, in the land of the free...

SCHEDULE 1 SCHEDULE 1

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

GO TO JAIL

That reminds me, can anyone actually do any new research or trials on Schedule 1 drugs in the States?

Our laboratory studies cocaine addiction as a function of gene expression in the nucleus accumbens.  We also use PCP given to rats as a model of schizophrenia.


I think I was thinking a total ban, but must just be human testing, thanks...
 
2013-08-27 12:03:38 AM  
my own life of intravenous drug addiction and crime
was stopped by psychedelic experience.

i think everybody should have to do it once a year.
it's a good way to find out who's sane and who isn't.
 
2013-08-27 12:38:18 AM  

Albinoman: Well he was definitely high since Rosalind Franklin figured it out first. To be blunt, Franklin seemed like she was a biatch, also might have been subject to a bit of sexism. Who knows? Anyway, one day James Watson visited Franklin where she chewed him out for implying she couldn't read her own data. Maurice Wilkins, a coworker of Franklin's who was so at odds with her they paired off into two teams, heard the commotion and ran into Watson. He showed Watson Franklin's data showing it's double helical structure. It's in Watson's own autobiographical account.


Her own autobiographical account. Yeah, she did have a bigger part in the discovery than she gets credit for, but it doesn't change the fact Francis Cricke discovered the double-helix design while high on LSD. I could give her more credit by saying they were all three talking about it, and she said something to give Cricke the epiphany, but that's just generous yet plausible speculation.

meat0918: See, I like me at the moment, and will I still be me after I take something like that.


You wouldn't be any worse off, no. So in that sense, yeah, still you. You just have to respect the substance, be in a positive setting, and in a good mood.

mediablitz: I may be confusing ecstacy with Ketamine? shiat. Don't have time to go hunt down the article.

At any rate, agree about LSD and shrooms. Birthday is coming up...


Yeah, you're confusing it with ketamine. They could very well be studying ecstasy, but it's too much of a wildcard to be a long-term treatment.
 
2013-08-27 01:19:08 AM  

mediablitz: ParagonComplex: mediablitz: Ambivalence: I thought they were researching ecstasy as a mental health aid. Seems like a better fit than LSD.

LSD, Ecstasy, mushrooms. All three are getting positive results and have for years.

Ecstasy is a bit trickier, because it has addiction potential that LSD and shrooms do not have. Ecstasy is also very similar to ritalin as far as what it does. So much, in fact, that if you take ecstasy while ritalin is in your system it won't be as effective. So LSD and shrooms I'm all for, and ecstasy, possibly, depends on the circumstances and dosage.

I may be confusing ecstacy with Ketamine? shiat. Don't have time to go hunt down the article.

At any rate, agree about LSD and shrooms. Birthday is coming up...


Well it's not ecstasy per se it's DMT. The difference between the two is beyond my knowledge base. But yes, DMT and ketamine  are supposedly very effective at treating severe depression. LSD is apparently very effective at treating PTSD. The idea behind it is that memories are re-encoded every time you remember, so by giving people a positive experience, you're effectively overwriting the negative emotions associated with bad memories. So you're remembering bad experiences in a positive light. Some sort of higher order conditioning may be involved as well. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind touched on this and it's apparently based on this kind of research, but I've never found the source study.
 
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