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2013-08-26 02:11:13 PM
I picked up Spec Ops on the Steam sale last month, after hearing about it from Extra Credit.  It is quite a piece of storytelling, that's for sure.
 
2013-08-26 02:11:13 PM
Interesting article, and a nice read.

//sneaking this in before the trolls arrive
 
2013-08-26 02:13:55 PM
I feel this guy, to an an extent.  I'm not a "non-gamer" so much as a "non-modern gamer".  I went from ColecoVision straight to PC.  I have no idea how to work a console controller any newer than NES.  I am stick in left hand, mouse in right.  And I'm glad people still play UT99, Kingpin and SoF.  Otherwise, I could only play with myself.
 
2013-08-26 02:25:13 PM
Interesting read, thanks, Subby...but no, playing the game doesn't -actually- put you closer to the mindset of a Special Ops type soldier; it puts you closer to what the writer *thinks* a Special Ops soldier thinks and acts like. Reference to actual reality? Low to middlin' at best.

/not a special ops guy
//well, sorta special
///in a short-bus sorta way.
 
2013-08-26 02:26:17 PM
Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"
 
2013-08-26 02:31:45 PM

23FPB23: Otherwise, I could only play with myself.


Oh please like you really mind doing that.
 
2013-08-26 02:34:27 PM
Took him an awful lot of words to say "I found a game I like"
 
2013-08-26 02:35:35 PM

Wade_Wilson: Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"


Bioshock: Infinite is tops on my list for that.  In fact, it almost works better as an "interactive movie" than an actual game, although the gameplay is above average as well (although the stupid two weapon limit is horrible).  The writing (and execution of said writing) is such high quality that I'm sure it would win an Oscar if it was an actual movie.  However, the emotional connection between Booker and Elisabeth would be weaker in an actual movie than how it is in the game as is.
 
2013-08-26 02:44:50 PM

TedAlsoRises: Interesting article, and a nice read.

//sneaking this in before the trolls arrive


Seriously? I couldn't make it through the first paragraph before I ran out of shiats to give.
 
2013-08-26 02:46:33 PM

Geotpf: Wade_Wilson: Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"

Bioshock: Infinite is tops on my list for that.  In fact, it almost works better as an "interactive movie" than an actual game, although the gameplay is above average as well (although the stupid two weapon limit is horrible).  The writing (and execution of said writing) is such high quality that I'm sure it would win an Oscar if it was an actual movie.  However, the emotional connection between Booker and Elisabeth would be weaker in an actual movie than how it is in the game as is.


I'm a bit like the author, early 30s, grew up with console and PC gaming, have a lot of friends who are very into it, etc, but other than a rare title here and there I've never really gotten drawn in.  Turn based JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming to me - FFVII and IX, Lunar: Silver Star Story, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc.  Now all of them seem to be moving to active battle systems, and I just don't care for them.  I don't want to have to worry about hitting the button at the right time or managing a chaotic combat situation, I want to make my decision for each character with plenty of time, and maybe have time to go make a sandwich in the middle of a battle with nothing happening until I get back without having to pause.

Shooters have been almost all miss for me.  I played Unreal Tournament on the PC back in the day and liked it well enough, and I fell in love with Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on the 360, which had incredible multiplayer and some great maps, but I haven't found anything else with that same feel since.  All of the other shooters seem way too fast paced - BF2:MC had a nice relaxing pace to it, and strategy seemed more important than reflexes or aim.  Are there any shooters like that today?  I bought COD 4 based on rave reviews and I hated it, I think I played it maybe five or six hours trying to get into it before I just gave up and put it on the shelf to collect dust.

Nowadays if I fire up the PS3 it's mainly to play NCAA Football.  I've been meaning to check out Mass Effect as I've heard good things, and I'll put the Bioshock series on my list as well.
 
2013-08-26 03:02:48 PM

23FPB23: I am stick in left hand, mouse in right.


I'm like that when I watch porn.
 
2013-08-26 03:06:43 PM
Why does this read almost like a letter to Penthouse about the joy of being introduced to anal sex?

There are lots of people who are not into games because they are silly, stupid, and boring but then again nobody wants to hear such opinions.
 
2013-08-26 03:31:36 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on the 360, which had incredible multiplayer and some great maps, but I haven't found anything else with that same feel since.



I just want to agree on this point.

I've made an effort with COD and BF3, but am not so impressed.   Among other problems, any game where basic equipment for a given kit is locked out until you "earn" it can go fark itself.
 
2013-08-26 04:01:21 PM
I dont like or play games but I played a game and for some reason my opinion matters
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 04:35:44 PM

bikerific: TuteTibiImperes: Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on the 360, which had incredible multiplayer and some great maps, but I haven't found anything else with that same feel since.


I just want to agree on this point.

I've made an effort with COD and BF3, but am not so impressed.   Among other problems, any game where basic equipment for a given kit is locked out until you "earn" it can go fark itself.


I played BF3 on PC, the only thing that made it tenable was that I was playing with friends on headsets.

So we would talk and work as actual squads and I could play support or tactical.
 
2013-08-26 04:40:26 PM
Article writer spent far too long trying to explain how he doesn't play games but respects the medium.  How short of attention spans does he think gamers-oh hey look a penny
 
2013-08-26 04:45:21 PM
Olivia Munn?
 
2013-08-26 04:52:28 PM
I've been pwning in FPSs since...
www.theisozone.com

Your noob ass hasn't a prayer against me so stop whining.

Called a bot in every single game I have put some time into.

/flys drones
//thanks gaming gods
 
2013-08-26 04:54:39 PM
Spec Ops was easily my game of the year for 2012.  I felt like a monster by the time I was done, and that made me realize just how good they were at telling a story.
 
2013-08-26 06:00:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Geotpf: Wade_Wilson: Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"

Bioshock: Infinite is tops on my list for that.  In fact, it almost works better as an "interactive movie" than an actual game, although the gameplay is above average as well (although the stupid two weapon limit is horrible).  The writing (and execution of said writing) is such high quality that I'm sure it would win an Oscar if it was an actual movie.  However, the emotional connection between Booker and Elisabeth would be weaker in an actual movie than how it is in the game as is.

I'm a bit like the author, early 30s, grew up with console and PC gaming, have a lot of friends who are very into it, etc, but other than a rare title here and there I've never really gotten drawn in.  Turn based JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming to me - FFVII and IX, Lunar: Silver Star Story, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc.  Now all of them seem to be moving to active battle systems, and I just don't care for them.  I don't want to have to worry about hitting the button at the right time or managing a chaotic combat situation, I want to make my decision for each character with plenty of time, and maybe have time to go make a sandwich in the middle of a battle with nothing happening until I get back without having to pause.

Shooters have been almost all miss for me.  I played Unreal Tournament on the PC back in the day and liked it well enough, and I fell in love with Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on the 360, which had incredible multiplayer and some great maps, but I haven't found anything else with that same feel since.  All of the other shooters seem way too fast paced - BF2:MC had a nice relaxing pace to it, and strategy seemed more important than reflexes or aim.  Are there any shooters like that today?  I bought COD 4 based on rave reviews and I ...


Team Fortress 2 is a first person shooter where strategy can be more important than pure twitch skills, especially with certain classes (Medic and Engineer).  Try it out.  It's free to play.
 
2013-08-26 06:25:19 PM

Geotpf: TuteTibiImperes: Geotpf: Wade_Wilson: Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"

Bioshock: Infinite is tops on my list for that.  In fact, it almost works better as an "interactive movie" than an actual game, although the gameplay is above average as well (although the stupid two weapon limit is horrible).  The writing (and execution of said writing) is such high quality that I'm sure it would win an Oscar if it was an actual movie.  However, the emotional connection between Booker and Elisabeth would be weaker in an actual movie than how it is in the game as is.

I'm a bit like the author, early 30s, grew up with console and PC gaming, have a lot of friends who are very into it, etc, but other than a rare title here and there I've never really gotten drawn in.  Turn based JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming to me - FFVII and IX, Lunar: Silver Star Story, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc.  Now all of them seem to be moving to active battle systems, and I just don't care for them.  I don't want to have to worry about hitting the button at the right time or managing a chaotic combat situation, I want to make my decision for each character with plenty of time, and maybe have time to go make a sandwich in the middle of a battle with nothing happening until I get back without having to pause.

Shooters have been almost all miss for me.  I played Unreal Tournament on the PC back in the day and liked it well enough, and I fell in love with Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on the 360, which had incredible multiplayer and some great maps, but I haven't found anything else with that same feel since.  All of the other shooters seem way too fast paced - BF2:MC had a nice relaxing pace to it, and strategy seemed more important than reflexes or aim.  Are there any shooters like that today?  I bought COD 4 based on r ...


Better yet, there are hats!
 
2013-08-26 06:39:31 PM
TF2, that is.
 
2013-08-26 06:41:16 PM

Geotpf: TuteTibiImperes: Geotpf: Wade_Wilson: Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"

Bioshock: Infinite is tops on my list for that.  In fact, it almost works better as an "interactive movie" than an actual game, although the gameplay is above average as well (although the stupid two weapon limit is horrible).  The writing (and execution of said writing) is such high quality that I'm sure it would win an Oscar if it was an actual movie.  However, the emotional connection between Booker and Elisabeth would be weaker in an actual movie than how it is in the game as is.

I'm a bit like the author, early 30s, grew up with console and PC gaming, have a lot of friends who are very into it, etc, but other than a rare title here and there I've never really gotten drawn in.  Turn based JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming to me - FFVII and IX, Lunar: Silver Star Story, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc.  Now all of them seem to be moving to active battle systems, and I just don't care for them.  I don't want to have to worry about hitting the button at the right time or managing a chaotic combat situation, I want to make my decision for each character with plenty of time, and maybe have time to go make a sandwich in the middle of a battle with nothing happening until I get back without having to pause.

Shooters have been almost all miss for me.  I played Unreal Tournament on the PC back in the day and liked it well enough, and I fell in love with Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on the 360, which had incredible multiplayer and some great maps, but I haven't found anything else with that same feel since.  All of the other shooters seem way too fast paced - BF2:MC had a nice relaxing pace to it, and strategy seemed more important than reflexes or aim.  Are there any shooters like that today?  I bought COD 4 based on r ...


Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.  I need to buy a new UPS first, my current one is starting to go and the 'low power battery almost depleted' alarm starts going off every time the processor load gets too high or I try to launch a 3D game.
 
2013-08-26 06:42:49 PM
We don't care about your philosophical treatise on this crappy game you enjoy.
 
2013-08-26 06:45:21 PM

Geotpf: Wade_Wilson: Spec Ops is awesome. Maybe not what I would start someone I'm trying to get into gaming with, but definitely on my list for when I reanimate Roger Ebert and place a controller in his zombified hands so I can say "See?!"

Bioshock: Infinite is tops on my list for that.  In fact, it almost works better as an "interactive movie" than an actual game, although the gameplay is above average as well (although the stupid two weapon limit is horrible).  The writing (and execution of said writing) is such high quality that I'm sure it would win an Oscar if it was an actual movie.  However, the emotional connection between Booker and Elisabeth would be weaker in an actual movie than how it is in the game as is.


Bioshock Infinite is a well-executed game, no doubt, but Spec Ops: The Line really punches you right in the feels.  It's the only game I ever felt bad for playing.  Not because it's a bad game, mind, but because the entire story is so well-executed, and there's just enough choice involved to convince you that everything really is your fault.
 
2013-08-26 07:24:15 PM
Really? Spec Ops the line?

If there is a game that better Represents Darkness Induced Audience Apathy, I don't know what it is. I was hoping a Meteor was going to fall, killing absolutely everyone in the area.
 
2013-08-26 08:48:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'm a bit like the author, early 30s, grew up with console and PC gaming, have a lot of friends who are very into it, etc, but other than a rare title here and there I've never really gotten drawn in.  Turn based JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming to me - FFVII and IX, Lunar: Silver Star Story, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc.  Now all of them seem to be moving to active battle systems, and I just don't care for them.


Sadly, I'm seeing a lot of that, too. The big audience is apparently the "pew pew pew" FPS gamers, and the RPG makers want to draw them in so we get combat for the sake of combat, often in excess of what's needed for the storyline. It is getting harder to find RPGs that aren't FPSers in disguise, and that's a bummer. I want an adventure, interesting characters, intricate quests, etc. Shootin' galleries just don't do that for me.

If you haven't tried Fallout 3 and/or Fallout:New Vegas, I highly recommend them.
 
2013-08-27 05:10:05 AM

WordyGrrl: TuteTibiImperes: I'm a bit like the author, early 30s, grew up with console and PC gaming, have a lot of friends who are very into it, etc, but other than a rare title here and there I've never really gotten drawn in.  Turn based JRPGs were the pinnacle of gaming to me - FFVII and IX, Lunar: Silver Star Story, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc.  Now all of them seem to be moving to active battle systems, and I just don't care for them.

Sadly, I'm seeing a lot of that, too. The big audience is apparently the "pew pew pew" FPS gamers, and the RPG makers want to draw them in so we get combat for the sake of combat, often in excess of what's needed for the storyline. It is getting harder to find RPGs that aren't FPSers in disguise, and that's a bummer. I want an adventure, interesting characters, intricate quests, etc. Shootin' galleries just don't do that for me.

If you haven't tried Fallout 3 and/or Fallout:New Vegas, I highly recommend them.


As far as RPGs, my current favourite is Tales of Vesperia (360, PS3-Japan Only) and I've heard good things about the other Tales of games.  Vesperia allows up to 4 player co-op (local only) with the additional players controlling party members 2 - 4 during combat, which I'd describe as much closer to a fighting game than an FPS, but with a steady flow of new and special moves and combos you learn as you progress.  Item management is neat- in addition to finding items like weapons and armour, monsters you fight drop raw material components that you can "synthesize" into weapons, armour, potions, and more.  The world is expansive, the story is pretty good, and the voice acting is consistently well done.

/Got Fallout3&NV in a steam sale recently, waiting on my pc adaptor for my wireless 360 controller to play them since I don't have a desk for my PC so I can't sit with keyboard/mouse)
 
2013-08-27 09:37:52 AM

Jorn the Younger: /Got Fallout3&NV in a steam sale recently, waiting on my pc adaptor for my wireless 360 controller to play them since I don't have a desk for my PC so I can't sit with keyboard/mouse)


Do what I do. My computer is hooked up to my tv and running through my surround sound. I use a wireless keyboard and mouse and sit on the couch. My keyboard sits on my lap and my mouse sits on a plastic clipboard with a mouse pad on it. Works great.

Or you can get something like this or this.
 
2013-08-27 03:08:22 PM
My computer is also hooked up to my big screen and surround sound, but when I sit on the couch I can't utilize the keyboard from my lap well enough to game, and my mouse loses precision if I have it next to me on the couch, so I usually keep it on the floor in front of me.  Lap desks don't really work for me (I think because of the size of my stomach, and while that has been improving, it's still inconvenient)  I do, however have four 360 controllers and rarely use more than two at a time, so I'll leave the extra two sync'd to the PC using the wireless adaptor I've got on the way, and if I need to 4 player on my 360 I'll just resync them with the play & charge cable.

I quite like the 360 controller anyway
 
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