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(Uproxx)   Val Kilmer weighs in on Ben Affleck's Batman   ( divider line
    More: Interesting, Val Kilmer, Ben Affleck, Batman, Batman Forever, mass suicide  
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5212 clicks; posted to Geek » on 26 Aug 2013 at 11:28 AM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-08-26 12:59:52 PM  
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LL316: You're good at snark, but I don't notice any suggestions of characters who are more interesting.

Tony Stark/Iron Man.  His motivations are a bit more complex, and he has some serious personal flaws; he's arrogant (which has been a factor in the recent movies), and he's suffered from alcoholism (which they've hinted at but might not get into in the movies; it was a major thread in the comics, though).  Those flaws define him, at least as much as his suits.

Just to take another wealthy playboy using his millions to be a superhero as an example.

My big issue with DC is that they usually avoid their characters' flaws whenever possible (at least, in movies/TV).  Batman's most interesting when he's fighting back his urge to kill his enemies.  His entire setting is self-referential; his villains are all crazy, and go to Arkham Asylum rather than a jail.  That's important, because it's a reflection of Bruce Wayne's own insanity.  That's WHY his rogue's gallery are all nutbars, as opposed to other superheroes.  Even the Bale Batmans don't really deal with this, and to their detriment IMO.  The flaws are there, but they avoid them, rather than letting them define the character.

Superman's another great example.  Ignore his powers for a second.  His obvious flaw, kryptonite, is stupid.  It's shoehorned in because it's difficult to threaten Superman without it.  His  interesting flaws are usually avoided; he's alien, for instance, and when he wants to pretend to be human, he's a weak, ineffectual, stammering Clark Kent.  He doesn't think that highly of us, apparently.  He also wants to be "good", but they don't often deal with the darker side of that; he can hear everything happening in Metropolis, at least (in pretty much every incarnation; I don't want to assume the crazypants super ones).  This means he can hear every rape, every mugging, every murder.  He can fly at supersonic speeds, and be there before whatever it is ends.  Even if he can't prevent it, he can at least catch the perpetrator.  But he  doesn't.  He chooses to ignore it.  Now, they've made some arguments that he doesn't  want to do that, because then he removes our capacity for free will and so on, but they almost never bring this up.  It's a dark side to the character.  It's an interesting bit to discuss.  And they pretty much avoid it constantly, rather than making it a central pillar of the character.

Marvel tends to focus on flaws, and how its heroes overcome them.  DC tends to try and avoid the flaws it introduces, and I really don't understand why.  There are arcs where they don't, and those arcs are  great, but they stand as exceptions, rather than the rule.
2013-08-26 12:53:47 PM  
1 vote:

netizencain: This is the guy that should have played Dark Knight Returns

Brian Dennehy:

Nope. My vote still goes to Stephen Lang as TDKR batman, AKA the big bad Sargeant in Avatar. In his 60's, built like a brick shiathouse, and can act the part.
2013-08-26 12:51:47 PM  
1 vote:

LarryDan43: He is either going to be really good, really bad or just okay.
2013-08-26 11:50:37 AM  
1 vote:
Meh. I was one of the many who biatched about Heath Ledger being cast as The Joker. I've learned my lesson so I'm just going to shut my hole and see what happens. I suggest the rest of you do the same.
2013-08-26 10:28:39 AM  
1 vote:
Personally I think Affleck is better doing more serious projects and writing/directing than action flicks. The Town, Argo, Company Men, even State of Play were great movies, as was Gone Baby Gone.

Frankly though I don't think there should be another Batman movie for at least a decade. Same goes for Superman, Spiderman, the Hulk, Iron Man. Maybe just lay off the comic-book adaptations in general, and focus on good stories.

Give it a rest, Hollywood.
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