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2013-08-26 01:20:20 PM

Honest Bender: And that's why Marvel is always so much more interesting and fun to read. DC is boring as hell because all their heroes are Godly paragons of good.


Oh, look. Comic book arguments from the 60s!
 
2013-08-26 01:20:42 PM

Betep: Let's see Affleck do Jim Morrison.


hmmmmmmmmmm. Kinky.
 
2013-08-26 01:20:49 PM

Fano: Lando Lincoln: sure haven't: And he doesn't have the chops to pull this off.

Yeah, because Batman is so varied in his emotions. From brooding to mad to sulking.

Batman can SING!

Am I Blue?


LOL.
 
2013-08-26 01:22:43 PM

Thorak: This means he can hear every rape, every mugging, every murder


Daredevil touched on this. He hears people screaming and sets out and the girl asks him to stay so he ignores them.
 
2013-08-26 01:24:01 PM

rocky_howard: Oh, look. Comic book arguments from the 60s!


Oh, look. Criticism without counter example!
 
2013-08-26 01:24:18 PM
I, for one, am NOT tired of superhero movies. I've been watching them all my life, and I expect to watch them till my dying day. I loved Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, and The Wolverine. I am so very, very excited about Days of Future Past next summer, not to mention the next Thor, Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy, Spiderman, Avengers, and of course the next Superman/Batman.

I've decided to be cautiously optimistic about Afflek. I'm curious to see his audition (because I hope they auditioned him) and what about his performance evoked Batman. I loved the casting in the first movie, and if they do indeed cast Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor, then I'll put some faith in the filmmakers that they know what they're doing.
 
2013-08-26 01:29:48 PM

soporific: I, for one, am NOT tired of superhero movies. I've been watching them all my life, and I expect to watch them till my dying day. I loved Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, and The Wolverine. I am so very, very excited about Days of Future Past next summer, not to mention the next Thor, Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy, Spiderman, Avengers, and of course the next Superman/Batman.

I've decided to be cautiously optimistic about Afflek. I'm curious to see his audition (because I hope they auditioned him) and what about his performance evoked Batman. I loved the casting in the first movie, and if they do indeed cast Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor, then I'll put some faith in the filmmakers that they know what they're doing.


I too am curious as to where they got the idea that Batfleck was a good idea.

People are free to provide me with links to video of any of his acting spots where he shows he has the ability to be even mildly threatening and/or ominous.  Because the only time I've seen him try was in Daredevil and he came off as a growling flake.
 
2013-08-26 01:32:40 PM

shifty lookin bleeder: OMG, get Ben some air!!


He'll get plenty if he tries wearing Clooney's old suit.

"Hey, what's that weird noise every time Affleck moves?"
"It's the codpiece. Let's put it this way... Picture a tiny little clapper flopping around inside a great big bell."
"Oh. So that's why it sounds like 'dong dong dong'."
 
2013-08-26 01:34:44 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Adam West FTW:

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rock on, Adam.
 
2013-08-26 01:36:25 PM
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I vote Stacy Keech for Bruce Wane in a Batman Beyond movie.
 
2013-08-26 01:36:44 PM

vudukungfu: DjangoStonereaver: Adam West FTW:

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rock on, Adam.


Subtle Master Trolling...

"Adam West says Ben Affleck will stink as Batman"
 
2013-08-26 01:41:28 PM

Infernalist: vudukungfu: DjangoStonereaver: Adam West FTW:

[564x382 from http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ben-affleck-as-batman -internet-reactions-41.jpg image 564x382]

rock on, Adam.

Subtle Master Trolling...

"Adam West says Ben Affleck will stink as Batman"


Then why was he quoting Uncle Ben?
 
2013-08-26 01:47:56 PM

bdub77: Frankly though I don't think there should be another Batman movie for at least a decade. Same goes for Superman, Spiderman, the Hulk, Iron Man. Maybe just lay off the comic-book adaptations in general, and focus on good stories.

Give it a rest, Hollywood.


This.

Not to mention that, if you're really so upset about who's staring in the movie, then just don't watch it. It really is that simple people.
 
2013-08-26 01:48:27 PM

rocky_howard: sure haven't: but he's just NOT a great actor.

Not...

And? you don't need a "great actor" to play a superhero.

Unless you think Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are "great actors". Those two bimbos are worse than Affleck.

And Jeremy Renner is constipated.

Avengers shone because RDJ and Tom Hiddleston filled the hell out of their roles with charisma. That, and Hulk ;)


Evans and Hemsworth may not be great actors, but they have personas that fit their roles. Affleck doesn't, and he's not good enough to fake it.
 
2013-08-26 01:50:06 PM

soporific: and if they do indeed cast Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor, then I'll put some faith in the filmmakers that they know what they're doing.


Casting him would mean we'll get the first movie Luthor who isn't an idiot. Maybe.
 
2013-08-26 01:53:16 PM

rocky_howard: Honest Bender: And that's why Marvel is always so much more interesting and fun to read. DC is boring as hell because all their heroes are Godly paragons of good.

Oh, look. Comic book arguments from the 60s!


Here's your counter argument: Batman. Batman is nothing but a big fat bundle of flaws. Underneath all that ninja training and that brilliant mind, he's still a child raging against a world that was cruel enough to take his parents from him. He's cold and distant from his friends, unable to maintain relationships with his loved ones, and in nearly every depiction of his future, he ends up utterly alone and completely miserable.
 
2013-08-26 02:01:42 PM

HeartBurnKid: rocky_howard: Honest Bender: And that's why Marvel is always so much more interesting and fun to read. DC is boring as hell because all their heroes are Godly paragons of good.

Oh, look. Comic book arguments from the 60s!

Here's your counter argument: Batman. Batman is nothing but a big fat bundle of flaws. Underneath all that ninja training and that brilliant mind, he's still a child raging against a world that was cruel enough to take his parents from him. He's cold and distant from his friends, unable to maintain relationships with his loved ones, and in nearly every depiction of his future, he ends up utterly alone and completely miserable.


It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Oh what the hell, I'll laugh anyway hahahahahahaha
 
2013-08-26 02:07:05 PM

HeartBurnKid: rocky_howard: sure haven't: but he's just NOT a great actor.

Not...

And? you don't need a "great actor" to play a superhero.

Unless you think Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are "great actors". Those two bimbos are worse than Affleck.

And Jeremy Renner is constipated.

Avengers shone because RDJ and Tom Hiddleston filled the hell out of their roles with charisma. That, and Hulk ;)

Evans and Hemsworth may not be great actors, but they have personas that fit their roles. Affleck doesn't, and he's not good enough to fake it.


I would ask you to watch Sunshine, and then tell me Evans isn't a great actor.
 
2013-08-26 02:36:40 PM
The anguished cries of "Why another batman/superman/comic movie?" in this thread are humorous since there is a simple rationale. The movies are made for the next and younger generation to hook them for the ride.

After the Star Wars prequels, you would think people would understand. Even being critically panned and hated by long time fans, the prequels were extremely successful. The three movies made tons o cash. Lots of merch was sold. The clone wars cartoon is doing the same. Heck, the new movies are almost too soon.

Tl;dr version: new comics/new movies for next generation, not you.
 
2013-08-26 02:54:49 PM
Cmon.. this isnt mcbeth we're talking about here.
 
2013-08-26 02:57:04 PM

McGrits: Tl;dr version: new comics/new movies for next generation, not you.


It's ironic that during the 70s-80s when few people had VCRs and if you missed the movie in a theater you were out of luck, there were few remakes, Now that you can own a movie 3 months after its theatrical run, they remake movies every decade or less.
 
2013-08-26 03:12:52 PM

Mugato: soporific: and if they do indeed cast Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor, then I'll put some faith in the filmmakers that they know what they're doing.

Casting him would mean we'll get the first movie Luthor who isn't an idiot. Maybe.


As long as we get Breaking Bad Cranston and not Malcolm in the Middle Cranston.

Fano:

It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Oh what the hell, I'll laugh anyway hahahahahahaha

+1 to you.

That's one of my favorite Joker performances of all time. (As long as we're talking about the real version, not the watered down sanitized version.)
 
2013-08-26 03:15:59 PM

born_yesterday: Fine.  The Wonder Twins.  Lots of room for a backstory, and a Lucas-esque blue monkey character for comic relief.


If you want a monkey, there's no finer franchise than Space Ghost.
 
2013-08-26 03:47:47 PM

soporific: Mugato: soporific: and if they do indeed cast Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor, then I'll put some faith in the filmmakers that they know what they're doing.

Casting him would mean we'll get the first movie Luthor who isn't an idiot. Maybe.

As long as we get Breaking Bad Cranston and not Malcolm in the Middle Cranston.

Fano:

It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Oh what the hell, I'll laugh anyway hahahahahahaha

+1 to you.

That's one of my favorite Joker performances of all time. (As long as we're talking about the real version, not the watered down sanitized version.)


"C'mon, boy! Deliver the punchline!" Just isn't the same with the electrocution.

But the Sturm and Batarang speech was was of the best mockery of a hero ever.
 
2013-08-26 03:53:06 PM

HeartBurnKid: Affleck doesn't, and he's not good enough to fake it.


All I can think of is the cape and cowl, and his stupid farking smirk right under it. Makes me cringe every. single. time.
 
2013-08-26 05:29:14 PM
TFA's writer calling Adam West "another" Batman seems all kinds of wrong.
 
2013-08-26 06:25:56 PM
The main problem now is that WB has decided that movie Batman is America's version of James Bond, in every sense. Casting, the character's behavior, gadgets, everything.

Frankly, I think this is a lousy way to write the character. He becomes a gadget-obsessed, action-packed super spy in a bat mask, instead of a combination of Zorro and Sherlock Holmes.

It's sad that in live action they can never make the star of Detective Comics into a detective.
 
2013-08-26 06:52:19 PM

ZeroCorpse: The main problem now is that WB has decided that movie Batman is America's version of James Bond, in every sense. Casting, the character's behavior, gadgets, everything.

Frankly, I think this is a lousy way to write the character. He becomes a gadget-obsessed, action-packed super spy in a bat mask, instead of a combination of Zorro and Sherlock Holmes.

It's sad that in live action they can never make the star of Detective Comics into a detective.


Ah yes, "The World's Greatest Detective." Capable of instantly deducing that Criminal X is hiding out in Abandoned Location Y from random substances/artifacts left at the scene of Crime Z, particularly when 500 witnesses see "a guy dressed like a clown" at the scene, and one of the random artifacts is a letter written on the letterhead of the Defunct Steamship Factory, "Dear Batman, I'm in an abandoned warehouse by the docks. Come get me, this is totally not a trap. Love, The Joker."

Sadly incapable of using vast fortune to pay off informants to monitor the criminal underground for "minions wanted" postings to prevent crime Z in the first place.
 
2013-08-26 07:11:12 PM
To people saying "too many comic book movies" or "I wish this fad would end"...

There have been comic based movies since the beginning of cinema. It's NOT a new phenomena, nor is it any more overused now than it has been all along.

Here's a partial list of comic book or comic strip based movies:

1911: Mutt and Jeff
1925: Little Annie Rooney
1926: Ella Cinders
1928: Bringing Up Father, Harold Teen
1931: Skippy
1932: Little Orphan Annie
1934: Harold Teen (remake), Palooka
1936: Ace Drummond, Flash Gordon, King of the Royal Mounted
1938: Blondie, Flash Gordon's Trip to Mars (serial), Little Orphan Annie (remake)

1939: Blondie Meets the Boss, Blondie Takes a Vacation, Blondie Brings up Baby, Mandrake the Magician, Tailspin Tommy (three films: Danger Flight, Mystery Place, Sky Patrol)

1940: Three more Blondie movies, Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe (sequel), King of the Royal Mounted (serial), Lil' Abner

1941: Adventures of Captain Marvel (serial), Tillie the Toiler, two more Blondie movies

1942: three more Blondie movies, Hillbilly Blitzkrieg, King of the Mounties (serial), Private Snuffy Smith, Spy Smasher (serial), The Yukon Patrol (serial)

1943: Batman (serial), two more Blondie movies, The Phantom (serial), The Adventures of Smilin' Jack (serial)

1944: Captain America (serial), four Red Ryder movies

1945: Dick Tracy, Brenda Starr, two more Blondie movies, five more Red Ryder movies

1946: two more Blondie movies, Bringing Up Father (remake), Dick Tracy vs Cueball (sequel), two Joe Palooka movies, Hop Harrigan (serial)

1947: four more Blondie movies, Brick Bradford (serial), two Dick Tracy sequels, a Joe Palooka sequel, Vigilante (serial)

1948: two more Blondie movies, Congo Bill (serial), Jiggs and Maggie in Society, two more Joe Palooka sequels, Jungle Jim (remake), Superman (serial)

1949: Batman and Robin (serial), two more Blondie sequels, two more Joe Palooka sequels, a Jungle Jim sequel, Bruce Gentry (serial), a Jiggs and Maggie sequel.

1950: two more Blondie movies, three more Joe Palooka movies, another Jiggs and Maggie movie

1951: Gasoline Alley, two more Jungle Jim sequels, Superman vs The Mole Men, Superman (tv show), another Joe Palooka movie

1952: Blackhawk (serial), two more Jungle Jim sequels

1953: two more Jungle Jim movies

1954: Mandrake the Magician (tv), Prince Valiant, Flash Gordon (tv)

1955: Sheena (tv)

1957: Sad Sack

1958: Superpup (tv)

1959: Dennis the Menace (tv), Lil' Abner (remake)

1961: The Phantom (tv), Superboy (tv), Dondi, Hazel (tv)

1964: The Addams Family (tv), Archie (tv)

1966: Batman (tv), Batman the Movie, Modesty Blaise

1967: Wonder Woman (tv)

1968: Barbarella, Danger Diabolik

1972: Tales from the Crypt

1973: Vault of Horror

1974: Shazam (tv), Wonder Woman (tv)

1975: Wonder Woman (tv), Friday Foster

1976: Brenda Starr (tv movie remake)

1977: Incredible Hulk (tv), Spider-Man (tv)

1978: Spider-Man Strikes Back (tv movie), Superman, Incredible Hulk Married (tv movie), Doctor Strange (tv movie)

1979: Captain America (tv movie), Captain America II (tv movie), Legends of the Superheroes (tv), Mandrake (tv movie), Spider-Man the Dragon's Challenge (tv movie)

1980: Flash Gordon, Popeye

1981: Superman II

1982: Annie, Modesty Blaise (tv movie), Swamp Thing, Conan the Barbarian

1983: Superman III

1984: Sheena, Supergirl

1985: Red Sonja, Weird Science

1986: Howard the Duck

1987: Dennis the Menace (tv movie), Jane and the Lost City, Sable (tv), Superman IV

1988: Andy Capp (tv), Incredible Hulk Returns (tv movie), Superboy (tv), Thor (tv)

1989: Batman, Brenda Starr (remake), Trial of the Incredible Hulk (tv), The Punisher, Swamp Thing 2, Tales from the Crypt (tv)

1990: Archie (tv movie), Captain America, Death of the Incredible Hulk (tv movie), Dick Tracy (remake), The Flash (tv), Hardware, Swamp Thing (tv), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

1991: Addams Family, the Rocketeer, TMNT 2

1992: Batman Returns, Human Target (tv)

1993: Addams Family Values, Dennis the Menace (remake), Lois and Clark (tv), TMNT 3

1994: The Crow, Fantastic Four, The Mask, Richie Rich, TimeCop, Weird Science (tv)

1995: Batman Forever, Casper, Judge Dredd, Tales from the Crypt Demon Knight, Tank Girl

1996: Barb Wire, The Crow City of Angels, The Phantom (remake), Sabrina the Teenage Witch (tv), Tales from the Crypt Bordello of Blood, Vampirella

1997: Batman and Robin, Justice League (tv), Men in Black, NightMan (tv), Prince Valiant, Spawn, Steel

1998: Blade, Crow sequel, Dennis the Menace sequel, Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD (tv), Richie Rich sequel

1999: Harsh Realm (tv), Mystery Men, Virus

2000: Crow sequel, Faust Love of the Damned, Sheena (tv), Witchblade (tv), X-Men

2001: From Hell, Ghost World, Josie and the Pussycats, Largo Winch (tv), Monkeybone, Smallville (tv), The Tick (tv)

2002: Birds of Prey (tv), Blade 2, Jeremiah (tv), Men in Black 2, Road to Perdition, Spider-Man

2003: American Splendor, Bulletproof Monk, Daredevil, Hulk, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Oldboy, TimeCop 2, X-Men 2

2004: Blade Trinity, Catwoman, Garfield, Hellboy, Immortals, My Name is Modesty, The Punisher (remake), Spider-Man 2

2005: Batman Begins (reboot), Constantine, Crow sequel, Elektra, Fantastic Four, A History of Violence, Man-Thing, Painkiller Jane (tv), Sin City, Son of the Mask (awful)

2006: Blade (tv), Garfield 2, Superman Returns, V for Vendetta, X-Men 3

2007: Fantastic Four 2, Ghost Rider, 30 Days of Night, 300, Spider-Man 3

2008: The Dark Knight, Hellboy 2, Incredible Hulk (reboot), Iron Man, Largo Winch, The Middle Man (tv), Punisher War Zone, Speed Racer, The Spirit, Wanted

2009: Dragonball Evolution, The Phantom (tv), The Surrogates, Watchmen, Whiteout, X-Men Origins Wolverine

2010: 30 Days of Night Dark Days, Human Target (tv), Iron Man 2, Jonah Hex, Kick-Ass, The Losers, Marmaduke, RED, Scott Pilgrim, Tamara Drewe, The Walking Dead (tv)

2011: Captain America the First Avenger (remake), Cowboys and Aliens, Dylan Dog Dead of Night, Green Lantern, Largo Winch the Burma Conspiracy (sequel), Priest, The Smurfs, Thor, X-Men First Class

2012: Avengers, Chew (tv), Dredd (remake), Ghost Rider 2, Men in Black 3, Powers (tv), The Amazing Spider-Man (reboot), The Dark Knight Rises, The Wolverine

2013: Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, Thor 2...


And this is not even listing the animated stuff that goes back to the 1920s.

/thanks to  http://www.iheartchaos.com/comic-book-movies
//Not copy-pasted... I transcribed all that.
 
2013-08-26 07:36:05 PM

Jclark666: Ah yes, "The World's Greatest Detective


He was hardly a detective or  a scientist in any other films. The exception being when Keaton determined the combinations of drugs that the Joker poisoned and that ridiculous thing with the bullet in TDK which made no sense. Detectives and scientists aren't cinematic.
 
2013-08-26 09:00:00 PM
Everyone in New Mexico hates him.
 
2013-08-27 03:50:02 AM

Mcavity: [240x320 from http://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/news/090330/stacy_keach240.jpg image 240x320]

I vote Stacy Keech for Bruce Wane in a Batman Beyond movie.


Fark that. We want Brimley!

i.imgur.com

That's the chin right there. Money baby.
 
2013-08-27 02:58:15 PM

Mugato: Jclark666: Ah yes, "The World's Greatest Detective

He was hardly a detective or  a scientist in any other films. The exception being when Keaton determined the combinations of drugs that the Joker poisoned and that ridiculous thing with the bullet in TDK which made no sense. Detectives and scientists aren't cinematic.



Bruce Wayne: "We're 5 little items of an everyday sort. You'll find us all in a tennis court". In... A-E-I-O-U. Vowels.

Alfred Pennyworth: Not entirely unclever, sir, but what do a clock, a match, chess pawns, and vowels have in common? What do these riddles mean?

Bruce Wayne: Every riddle has a number in the question and they arrived at this order: 13, 1, 8, and 5.

Alfred Pennyworth: 13, 1, 8, and 5. What do they mean?

Bruce Wayne: Perhaps letters of the alphabet?

Alfred Pennyworth: Of course, 13 is M.

Bruce Wayne: 1 would be A, 8 would be H, and 5 would be E.

Alfred Pennyworth: M-A-H-E.

Bruce Wayne: Perhaps 1 and 8 are 18.

Alfred Pennyworth: 18 is R. M-R-E.

Bruce Wayne: How about Mr. E.?

Alfred Pennyworth: Mystery.

Bruce Wayne: And another name for mystery?

Alfred Pennyworth: Enigma.

Bruce Wayne: Mr. E. Nygma. Edward Nygma. Stickley's suicide was obviously a computer-generated forgery.

Alfred Pennyworth: You really are quite bright, despite what people say.

C'mon, give Val Kilmer some credit...
 
2013-08-27 04:57:32 PM

rocky_howard: Honest Bender: And that's why Marvel is always so much more interesting and fun to read. DC is boring as hell because all their heroes are Godly paragons of good.

Oh, look. Comic book arguments from the 60s!


Thank you. Yes, Marvel was better than DC in virtually every way that counted in the 60s. I think things evened out by the 80s though. I haven't kept up with comics on a monthly basis since '08, but I think what I'm about to say rings true over the long term of the Big 2.

DC's characters are descendants of pulp fiction. They are built with escapism in mind first and are arguably more "pure" superheroes. Rule of fun stuff, and they arguably are written "plot first."

Marvel's characters generally come from a generation later than most of DC's characters. They were conceived with an idea towards how superheroes already worked and how they hadn't yet. The major point they hit upon were character flaws. In the 60s there is no doubt that Marvel was the superior product. That they had flaws that made them more relatable, more human. Character-based storytelling rather than plot.

DC was forced them into shaking up their characters, stories, and sheer framework in the 70s and 80s. This is how we got Watchmen, Crisis on Infinite Earths, The Dark Knight Returns, etc. DC evolved but to this day many are still convinced Marvel is just plain superior as they gloss over the Clone Sagas, Rob Leifelds, and that the House of Ideas is to be blamed for.

DC's perceived flaws have been trumpeted and parroted for decades. No need to repeat them. Instead, I'll share my problems with Marvel's storytelling - share why their shiat stinks too and why someone might prefer DC.

First, Marvel focuses so much on flaws that it loses that escapist element that superheroes are meant to have. Marvel's heroes feel more flawed than normal people. They rarely overcome their flaws or develop new ones. Gets stagnant and ho-hum in its own way.

Second, Marvel has a tendency to get so caught up in the affairs of their "human," "relatable" characters that they neglect the contesting normal, everyman element. When everyone is super, no one is super creeps in. Without that contrast you have a bunch of superpowered whiners and biatches who are caught up in such relatable events as a gauntlet that controls all of reality or a psychic mutant being possessed by a cosmic mythological bird.

DC keeps that escapist element in mind. DC Earth feels like it's a better world on the whole than ours and it is owed to superheroes. It feels like being a superhero is worth the trouble and having them is worth it. DC's normal people feel more connected to the heroes that save them.

It's ultimately optimism versus pessimism. DC can have its head in the clouds while Marvel can have its head up its ass. Both sides have their strengths and their flaws. Enough with this team crap. Make Mine Good Comics, no matter who publishes them.

/Kurt Busiek touched on this in JLA/Avengers.
//Astro City is better than either.
 
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