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(Uproxx)   Val Kilmer weighs in on Ben Affleck's Batman   (uproxx.com) divider line 84
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2013-08-26 10:28:39 AM
Personally I think Affleck is better doing more serious projects and writing/directing than action flicks. The Town, Argo, Company Men, even State of Play were great movies, as was Gone Baby Gone.

Frankly though I don't think there should be another Batman movie for at least a decade. Same goes for Superman, Spiderman, the Hulk, Iron Man. Maybe just lay off the comic-book adaptations in general, and focus on good stories.

Give it a rest, Hollywood.
 
2013-08-26 10:34:13 AM
OMG, get Ben some air!!


/I see what you did there, subby
 
2013-08-26 10:57:38 AM
Professor Hathaway: I want to see more of you around the lab.

Chris Knight: Fine. I'll gain weight.
 
2013-08-26 11:14:29 AM
I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.
 
2013-08-26 11:21:41 AM

Lando Lincoln: I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.


who else is DC going to throw in the ring?
 
2013-08-26 11:24:24 AM
This is the guy that should have played Dark Knight Returns

Brian Dennehy:
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2013-08-26 11:29:32 AM

netizencain: This is the guy that should have played Dark Knight Returns

Brian Dennehy:
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He could play old Bruce if they did a live action Batman Beyond movie.
 
2013-08-26 11:41:45 AM

Lando Lincoln: I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.


Very few as interesting as Batman though.
 
2013-08-26 11:47:15 AM
What is more problematic in my mind is Nolan isn't directing. The next film likely wont be received well as it is coming in right behind the best director and thd best batman in the franchise. Not to mention we all remember Daredevil
 
2013-08-26 11:47:25 AM

Lando Lincoln: I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.


Yeah, when are they going to get around to exploring other super heroes, like Ghost Rider, Daredevil, The Punisher, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Watchmen, Captain America, Green Lantern, Superman, Thor, Iron Man, The Hulk, Blade, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Hellboy, Judge Dredd, Jonah Hex, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, X-Men, or even specifically just Wolverine.

Come on Hollywood, there are other Super heroes to choose from!
 
2013-08-26 11:48:18 AM
While I cordially dislike all the Val-Kilmer-is-Fat BS, the headline was sufficiently subtle and made me chuckle. Good one,  subby.
 
2013-08-26 11:49:40 AM
Adam West FTW:

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2013-08-26 11:50:20 AM
Let's see Affleck do Jim Morrison.
 
2013-08-26 11:50:37 AM
Meh. I was one of the many who biatched about Heath Ledger being cast as The Joker. I've learned my lesson so I'm just going to shut my hole and see what happens. I suggest the rest of you do the same.
 
2013-08-26 11:52:26 AM

LL316: Lando Lincoln: I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.

Very few as interesting as Batman though.


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Done properly (yeah right) it could be a fantastic movie
 
2013-08-26 11:53:54 AM
He is either going to be really good, really bad or just okay.
 
2013-08-26 11:57:16 AM

Lumbar Puncture: Come on Hollywood, there are other Super heroes to choose from!


Batman, Superman, Spider Man, Iron Man, the Hulk, X-Men and Wolverine are played out. Move on.
 
2013-08-26 11:58:32 AM
"Maybe just lay off the comic-book adaptations in general, and focus on good stories."

Yeah, like that turd This Is The End, Planes, and whatever dreck Adam Sandler or Will Smith is peddling next.
Thems some good stories all right.
/not
 
2013-08-26 12:04:03 PM

netizencain: This is the guy that should have played Dark Knight Returns

Brian Dennehy:
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I don't know what you're on but Robocop crushed it in the cartoon version.
 
2013-08-26 12:04:18 PM

LL316: Very few as interesting as Batman though.


"My parents were murdered so I punch criminals a lot" isn't "interesting".

Nor is "I'm super smart and can totally outsmart everyone on the planet all the time because fark you."

Batman is an incredibly boring character.  Not as bad as Superman, to be fair, but he isn't exactly deep.
 
2013-08-26 12:04:57 PM

Lando Lincoln: Lumbar Puncture: Come on Hollywood, there are other Super heroes to choose from!

Batman, Superman, Spider Man, Iron Man, the Hulk, X-Men and Wolverine are played out. Move on.


It's take people to stop paying to see them first, as long as the money keeps coming in they haven't been played out as far as Hollywood is concerned.
 
2013-08-26 12:06:01 PM

Lando Lincoln: I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.


To be fair, the animated movies are better.
 
2013-08-26 12:07:35 PM
I'm totally behind Ben Affleck as Batman if we also get:

Jason Mews as The Riddler ("Riddle me this, you tubby Bat-biatch: Why does your mom... like ****ing me off so much?")

Brian O'Halloran as The Penguin (while he's trapped in the freezer that forever changes him, "I wasn't even supposed to be in today!")

Shannon Doherty as Gotham Citizen #2 (non-speaking, but she'll appreciate the work.)

and of course,

Matt Damon as Poison Ivy (Batman: "It's not your fault." Ivy: "Don't fark with me, Batman!" Batman: "It's. Not. Your. Fault." Ivy (sobbing): "Don't fark with me, Batman!")
 
2013-08-26 12:09:46 PM
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2013-08-26 12:10:09 PM

Tyrosine: Meh. I was one of the many who biatched about Heath Ledger being cast as The Joker. I've learned my lesson so I'm just going to shut my hole and see what happens. I suggest the rest of you do the same.


As has been explained a zillion times, it's not the same at all. Ledger was way less famous, and wayyyyy less famous for doing terrible movies in his younger years (one of which was a super hero). Also, Ledger was more of an "actor". Affleck is like Michael J Fox, Jack Nicholson, etc. He's just himself in every movie. It's all just different variations of Ben Affleck from good will hunting in different situations. Ben Affleck from good will hunting lives in the suburbs and loses his job. Ben Affleck from good will hunting lives in NYC and runs a crooked investment firm. It's just the same thing over and over.

Affleck is one of the best filmmakers today, but he's just a great actor. There's no range. And he doesn't have the chops to pull this off.
 
2013-08-26 12:11:50 PM

sure haven't: Tyrosine: Meh. I was one of the many who biatched about Heath Ledger being cast as The Joker. I've learned my lesson so I'm just going to shut my hole and see what happens. I suggest the rest of you do the same.

As has been explained a zillion times, it's not the same at all. Ledger was way less famous, and wayyyyy less famous for doing terrible movies in his younger years (one of which was a super hero). Also, Ledger was more of an "actor". Affleck is like Michael J Fox, Jack Nicholson, etc. He's just himself in every movie. It's all just different variations of Ben Affleck from good will hunting in different situations. Ben Affleck from good will hunting lives in the suburbs and loses his job. Ben Affleck from good will hunting lives in NYC and runs a crooked investment firm. It's just the same thing over and over.

Affleck is one of the best filmmakers today, but he's just a great actor. There's no range. And he doesn't have the chops to pull this off.


but he's just NOT a great actor.

Not...
 
2013-08-26 12:24:58 PM

Thorak: LL316: Very few as interesting as Batman though.

"My parents were murdered so I punch criminals a lot" isn't "interesting".

Nor is "I'm super smart and can totally outsmart everyone on the planet all the time because fark you."

Batman is an incredibly boring character.  Not as bad as Superman, to be fair, but he isn't exactly deep.


You're good at snark, but I don't notice any suggestions of characters who are more interesting.
 
2013-08-26 12:28:49 PM

netizencain: This is the guy that should have played Dark Knight Returns

Brian Dennehy:
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Only if you want him cocaine fueled, and punching people in the solar plexus.

/obscure?
//nahhh
 
2013-08-26 12:31:50 PM

bdub77: Personally I think Affleck is better doing more serious projects and writing/directing than action flicks. The Town, Argo, Company Men, even State of Play were great movies, as was Gone Baby Gone.

Frankly though I don't think there should be another Batman movie for at least a decade. Same goes for Superman, Spiderman, the Hulk, Iron Man. Maybe just lay off the comic-book adaptations in general, and focus on good stories.

Give it a rest, Hollywood.


All of this. There are good, original ideas out there, Hollywood.
 
2013-08-26 12:32:23 PM

sure haven't: but he's just NOT a great actor.

Not...


And? you don't need a "great actor" to play a superhero.

Unless you think Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth are "great actors". Those two bimbos are worse than Affleck.

And Jeremy Renner is constipated.

Avengers shone because RDJ and Tom Hiddleston filled the hell out of their roles with charisma. That, and Hulk ;)
 
2013-08-26 12:34:27 PM

sure haven't: And he doesn't have the chops to pull this off.


To play....Batman.
 
2013-08-26 12:35:19 PM

Lando Lincoln: I hope Affleck screws it up so incredibly badly that no one will ever want to do a Batman movie ever again. Nine is enough. Not to mention the dozens of animated movies.

There are other super heroes out there, people.


Yup.  Aquaman would be a better choice for a shiatty superhero movie.
 
2013-08-26 12:35:41 PM
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2013-08-26 12:37:18 PM

LL316: Thorak: LL316: Very few as interesting as Batman though.

"My parents were murdered so I punch criminals a lot" isn't "interesting".

Nor is "I'm super smart and can totally outsmart everyone on the planet all the time because fark you."

Batman is an incredibly boring character.  Not as bad as Superman, to be fair, but he isn't exactly deep.

You're good at snark, but I don't notice any suggestions of characters who are more interesting.


Fine.  The Wonder Twins.  Lots of room for a backstory, and a Lucas-esque blue monkey character for comic relief.

Today's CGI will make it an instant classic.

/Book it.  Done.
 
2013-08-26 12:39:02 PM
He had the chin for Daredevil, you can't take that away from him.
 
2013-08-26 12:39:52 PM
Ben as Batman faces his biggest foe yet... a mirror!  Benman goes to fight crime, sees his handsome self in the mirror, and can't look away... he's trapped there the entire movie until Superman comes along and cock smacks Benman in the face.
 
2013-08-26 12:43:45 PM
Who cares who is playing batman in this movie. Its going to suck anyway. Did any of you actually watch Man of Steel? Yuck.
 
2013-08-26 12:44:23 PM

Thorak: Batman is an incredibly boring character.


So don't watch.  Problem solved.

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2013-08-26 12:46:47 PM
This continues to be my favorite story of the year.
 
2013-08-26 12:47:17 PM
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2013-08-26 12:51:47 PM

LarryDan43: He is either going to be really good, really bad or just okay.


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2013-08-26 12:53:47 PM

netizencain: This is the guy that should have played Dark Knight Returns

Brian Dennehy:


Nope. My vote still goes to Stephen Lang as TDKR batman, AKA the big bad Sargeant in Avatar. In his 60's, built like a brick shiathouse, and can act the part.
 
2013-08-26 12:54:10 PM

sure haven't: And he doesn't have the chops to pull this off.


Yeah, because Batman is so varied in his emotions. From brooding to mad to sulking.
 
2013-08-26 12:58:27 PM

Lando Lincoln: sure haven't: And he doesn't have the chops to pull this off.

Yeah, because Batman is so varied in his emotions. From brooding to mad to sulking.


Batman can SING!

Am I Blue?
 
2013-08-26 12:59:52 PM

LL316: You're good at snark, but I don't notice any suggestions of characters who are more interesting.


Tony Stark/Iron Man.  His motivations are a bit more complex, and he has some serious personal flaws; he's arrogant (which has been a factor in the recent movies), and he's suffered from alcoholism (which they've hinted at but might not get into in the movies; it was a major thread in the comics, though).  Those flaws define him, at least as much as his suits.

Just to take another wealthy playboy using his millions to be a superhero as an example.

My big issue with DC is that they usually avoid their characters' flaws whenever possible (at least, in movies/TV).  Batman's most interesting when he's fighting back his urge to kill his enemies.  His entire setting is self-referential; his villains are all crazy, and go to Arkham Asylum rather than a jail.  That's important, because it's a reflection of Bruce Wayne's own insanity.  That's WHY his rogue's gallery are all nutbars, as opposed to other superheroes.  Even the Bale Batmans don't really deal with this, and to their detriment IMO.  The flaws are there, but they avoid them, rather than letting them define the character.

Superman's another great example.  Ignore his powers for a second.  His obvious flaw, kryptonite, is stupid.  It's shoehorned in because it's difficult to threaten Superman without it.  His  interesting flaws are usually avoided; he's alien, for instance, and when he wants to pretend to be human, he's a weak, ineffectual, stammering Clark Kent.  He doesn't think that highly of us, apparently.  He also wants to be "good", but they don't often deal with the darker side of that; he can hear everything happening in Metropolis, at least (in pretty much every incarnation; I don't want to assume the crazypants super ones).  This means he can hear every rape, every mugging, every murder.  He can fly at supersonic speeds, and be there before whatever it is ends.  Even if he can't prevent it, he can at least catch the perpetrator.  But he  doesn't.  He chooses to ignore it.  Now, they've made some arguments that he doesn't  want to do that, because then he removes our capacity for free will and so on, but they almost never bring this up.  It's a dark side to the character.  It's an interesting bit to discuss.  And they pretty much avoid it constantly, rather than making it a central pillar of the character.

Marvel tends to focus on flaws, and how its heroes overcome them.  DC tends to try and avoid the flaws it introduces, and I really don't understand why.  There are arcs where they don't, and those arcs are  great, but they stand as exceptions, rather than the rule.
 
2013-08-26 01:01:30 PM
I don't get why people in these threads always complain about the number of super hero movies produced. How many Batman comics have been made in the last 6 decades? Why does no one call for them to stop making Batman comics?
 
2013-08-26 01:03:03 PM

SeriousGeorge: I don't get why people in these threads always complain about the number of super hero movies produced. How many Batman comics have been made in the last 6 decades? Why does no one call for them to stop making Batman comics?


People do.
 
2013-08-26 01:04:26 PM

SeriousGeorge: I don't get why people in these threads always complain about the number of super hero movies produced. How many Batman comics have been made in the last 6 decades? Why does no one call for them to stop making Batman comics?


I don't biatch about comics being made because I don't read that many comics.
 
2013-08-26 01:08:48 PM
Shiatty comic book movie will be shiatty, just like all the other comic book movies.   Nothing to see here, move along.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:35 PM

Thorak: Marvel tends to focus on flaws, and how its heroes overcome them.


Bingo.  And that's why Marvel is always so much more interesting and fun to read. DC is boring as hell because all their heroes are Godly paragons of good.

Spiderman is so interesting because his story is all about Peter Parker trying to get through life while juggling the responsibility of being a hero.  He desperately wants to have a normal life. He doesn't  want to be Spiderman. But he does it because it is his great responsibility.
 
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