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(Opposing Views)   Master debater tells 78-year-old woman that he disagrees with her position on abortion, but respects her right to express it. Either that or he punches her. I forget which one   (opposingviews.com) divider line 363
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2013-08-26 11:59:25 AM

gnosis301: I think that if a senior citizen is in full possession of their faculties and brandishing a weapon (not an improvised one) with the express intent to kill/harm you, then it's okay to punch the senior citizen.


A very reasonable position.  I would even go as far as to suggest it is ok to punch a senior citizen if they are attempting to use an improvised weapon against you such as a zip gun, mototav cocktail, or cup filled with acid.  These violent old farkers are getting way out of hand.  Remember the 88 year old racist who attempted to beat up the nice three African American youths after leaving the thinly veiled Nazi front group called the Eagles Club in Spokane?  It's time the youth take the streets back.
 
2013-08-26 11:59:35 AM
I'm pretty sure here in Texas that those using a picture of a dismembered fetus on the sign would be illegal.

If that's the case in Iowa, she and her husband should also be arrested.
 
2013-08-26 11:59:50 AM

MooseUpNorth: MooseUpNorth: And nobody's defending what he did.

[Finishes reading this thread]  *sigh* I'll be over here in the corner for a while, losing my faith in humanity.


'Cause normally this place is a beacon of tolerance and understanding? ;) Nice people doing nice things rarely make the news.
 
2013-08-26 12:00:02 PM

cman: Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.

You have never been to Pakistan I presume


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2013-08-26 12:00:54 PM
Seriously, guys?

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2013-08-26 12:01:01 PM

gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.


I think any woman who struck me with intent to harm me confident that her gender would protect her from getting struck back would test my self control.

But I think I could fark up her life worse by pressing charges for assault, so a cooler head would prevail and after her arrest, I would notify her employer of her behavior and her arrest.
 
2013-08-26 12:01:28 PM

Cold_Sassy: Asian men do not have any respect for women.  That is why he did that.


lolwut
 
2013-08-26 12:02:30 PM

Lucky LaRue: Did that video ever get interesting?


Yeah, I'm hoping someone here watched it and got to the part where they guy admitted punchuing her. I got seasick and had to stop watching. Did anyone here see the damning evidence?
 
2013-08-26 12:04:20 PM
Lucky he didn't assassinate her or blow up the clinic, right guys?

Because THEN it would have at least rated close to what the Right likes to get away with.
 
2013-08-26 12:04:57 PM
Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?
 
2013-08-26 12:05:24 PM
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50/50 odds
 
2013-08-26 12:06:30 PM
Sigh. Another abortion argument.

If only there were ways to control when pregnancy occurs.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 12:06:39 PM

NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?


Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.
 
2013-08-26 12:06:48 PM
Should he have done what the anti-choice crowd does instead, and murdered her?
 
2013-08-26 12:07:13 PM

Carth: So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?


I think one should think quite hard about resorting to violence "to eliminate a greater evil," whether the violence you're about to "resort" to has any possibility of doing any such thing, why it's the solution, what other consequences might be, etc.

I'm guessing the dude who punched an old lady in the back didn't spend a lot of time thinking his idea through.
 
2013-08-26 12:07:19 PM
I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

If you follow a god of love, of compassion, and of forgiveness, who teaches us to love the sinners, and live a life of example... well, why don't you actually *follow* him, instead of giving lip service? Y'know, the god who said 'judge not', the god who said prayers should be held in private, the god who admonished those who would cast stones as they, too, were imperfect?

If Christ taught us to love one another, to forgive one another, and not to judge one another, when does that leave time to stand on street corners and attempt to shock passersby?

[csb]

Some time ago, my old church took a trip to put up signs and link arms and pray around a local clinic which provides reproductive services - including abortion - to the disadvantaged. It looked a little like the photos from this (and other) articles.

Having been a member, I was still on the mailing list and received notice. So, a few friends of mine and I went out with tarps, broomsticks, and spraypaint. We stood in front of the most offensive or graphic images, unrolled the tarp in front of us on the broomsticks, and showed a sign that read "We love you. Be strong."

The response was amazing. Suddenly, the focus was on my group. The gathered protestors took it upon themselves to hurl insults, declare we were hellbound, and so forth. All for blocking their posters with a sign about love. It took about twenty minutes from our arrival for the police to show up and ask us to stop 'disturbing the peace'. We were instructed to stop blocking the other demonstrators with our signs and leave the area.

Funny that.
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2013-08-26 12:07:32 PM

evaned: Clemkadidlefark: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

This

I'm not trying to defend this guy in any way, but this is pretty ridiculous if what you're trying to say through sarcasm is "why do liberals say that  conservatives are carrying out a war on women, when this guy, who just hit an old lady, is a liberal"?
And the difference of course is that the conservative war on women is part of the GOP party platform, held by most of the GOP members, and with portions being enacted in many parts of the country. This guy... was working on his own,  and was arrested for it.

Either that or 10/10.


You are seeing a troll where one doesn't exist, if you get my meaning.
 
2013-08-26 12:07:49 PM

d23: NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?

Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.


And it also makes every woman a serial killer!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 12:09:13 PM

NutWrench: d23: NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?

Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.

And it also makes every woman a serial killer!


and every woman that uses contraception a saint.
 
2013-08-26 12:11:12 PM

d23: But don't coddle the other side, either.


Absolutely.

I did clinic defense every other Saturday morning for about ten years, starting with the Spring of Life when Buffalo was ground zero in the abortion debate. As the years passed, the crowds on both sides on those Saturday mornings became smaller and smaller, from hundreds to dozens and eventually to the same four or five on each side. But even in those later years when there were only four of us and five of them, tempers could flare. They were trying to piss us off and were trying to do the same to them.

The point of all this is if you can't handle being exposed to someone with a different view holding a provocative sign and yelling in your face (I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm just saying in general) without getting violent, you shouldn't be there in the first place. You're not likely to help your cause if you can't maintain self control.
 
2013-08-26 12:12:16 PM

umad: I am absolutey shocked, SHOCKED, I say, that fark liberals will only defend speech that they agree with and will only protect the weak who agree with them! I seriously just fell out of my chair!

/not really


I'm not shocked to see someone on FARK who can't read well.
 
2013-08-26 12:14:08 PM

serial_crusher: The idea that the GOP's party platform contains a war on women is as ridiculous as the idea that this guy represents a liberal war on women.  Sure, Republicans go overboard with their goofy abortion restrictions, but that's not because you're a woman any more than this lady got hit because she was a woman.


You don't have to be motivated by "women=bad" to carry out a war on women with your policies anyway. I don't particularly like the term because of a general aversion to "war on X" names (I might blame Carlin for that a little), but it at least  sort of fits.

And the GOP's abortion restrictions are not  goofy, they are  actively and significantly harmful, and abortion restrictions aren't where their policies end either.
 
2013-08-26 12:17:11 PM

bdub77: The 78-year-old woman, Donna Holman, said she was protesting abortion near a Planned Parenthood office on Wednesday morning, when Man Chun John Ma, an international graduate student at the University of Iowa, hit her in the back and then walked away without saying a word, according to The Blaze.

I'm pretty sure Man Chun John Ma is some sort of martial art involving donkey punching old people.


Everybody, Man Chun tonight.
 
2013-08-26 12:17:25 PM
OK what he did was wrong, but if you are calling a blow to an unsuspecting 78 year old lady a 'punch' it had better at least have knocked her over.  It's assault and he should be charged, but it's not like he decked her or anything.
 
2013-08-26 12:18:54 PM

cman: You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.


I think he's calling her repugnant because she's advocating putting a lot of women in bad situations. Which, tbh, I have to agree with (even if TFA's douchebag deserves to be shunned for hitting her). My grandma is, quite frankly, more than a bit repugnant when she talks about anything political. Doesn't mean she deserves to get hit. Just means even old people can be douchebags.
 
2013-08-26 12:19:27 PM
Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.
 
2013-08-26 12:19:49 PM

d23: NutWrench: d23: NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?

Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.

And it also makes every woman a serial killer!

and every woman that uses contraception a saint.


They are saints, in my book.  See also "women who take it in areas that cannot result in..."

The closest the bible comes to having much to say about abortion is giving a husband the choice in how to punish a man who should cause his wife to miscarriage.
 
2013-08-26 12:20:58 PM

Egoy3k: OK what he did was wrong, but if you are calling a blow to an unsuspecting 78 year old lady a 'punch' it had better at least have knocked her over.  It's assault and he should be charged, but it's not like he decked her or anything.


Ma also later tells police that, "I did punch her...that was probably wrong."


That's good enough for me.
 
2013-08-26 12:21:06 PM

reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.


This.
 
2013-08-26 12:22:28 PM
This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.
 
2013-08-26 12:23:04 PM

Carth: doubled99: This proves people for abortion are crazy and dangerous

You think punching one old person is more proof of that than murdering millions of innocent babies?


Murder, huh? Obviously premeditated, too. So, you're in favor of the death penalty for women who have abortions, I assume. Or life without parole, if you're one of those strict pro-lifers.

/God murders just as many "innocent babies" in the womb as doctors do, y'know. And yet, I never see anyone working to stop the holocaust of miscarriages.
 
2013-08-26 12:24:56 PM
I'm sure her multiple arrests and refusal to undergoe court ordered psychiatric evaluation have nothing to do with this incident.
 
2013-08-26 12:25:59 PM

serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?


Based on recent election results and polling data, I'd say it's not going very well for the GOP. But feel free to keep pretending these isolated incidents from left-leaning individuals completely justifies the systematic disenfranchisement of women from the right. I'm sure that'll work.
 
2013-08-26 12:26:43 PM

NeoAnderthal: This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.


Not fair - they're just blowing hot air and having a Fark good time.  In reality I think most of them would have beaten the fark out of this Man Chun had they witnessed the event.
 
2013-08-26 12:27:43 PM

NeoAnderthal: This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.


See my post earlier in the thread. lol

You guys are geniuses! It's amazing you haven't played the victims sooner. Oh wait...
 
2013-08-26 12:27:55 PM

NathanAllen: I'm sure her multiple arrests and refusal to undergoe court ordered psychiatric evaluation have nothing to do with this incident.


So is indecent exposure working out as an excuse for you to rape?
 
2013-08-26 12:28:58 PM
This international graduate student has committed a crime and should be deported. INS, however, will not consider someone who punched out an anti-abortion protester undesirable.
 
2013-08-26 12:29:30 PM
Laughing my farking a-- off...  you said masterdebater!
 
2013-08-26 12:30:16 PM
Punching a 78 year old woman in the back should be considered attempted murder since it could, in fact, kill her. Like, you know, if she face planted on concrete due to the punch.
 
2013-08-26 12:30:56 PM

serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?


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2013-08-26 12:32:11 PM

Alphakronik: Probably the unpopular position here but here goes:

If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


And this.
 
2013-08-26 12:32:57 PM

SpectroBoy: Punching a 78 year old woman in the back should be considered attempted murder since it could, in fact, kill her. Like, you know, if she face planted on concrete due to the punch.


Which could happen when you punch anybody anywhere.
 
2013-08-26 12:35:57 PM

Phinn: Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.


They keep winning the popular vote.
 
2013-08-26 12:36:14 PM

mr.Curmudgeon: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

Based on recent election results and polling data, I'd say it's not going very well for the GOP. But feel free to keep pretending these isolated incidents from left-leaning individuals completely justifies the systematic disenfranchisement of women from the right. I'm sure that'll work.


hopestillfloats.files.wordpress.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 12:36:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.

They keep winning the popular vote.


shhh... don't pop the bubble...
 
2013-08-26 12:36:55 PM
A group abuses young women at their worst, weakest moment when they are seeking medical attention. Way to show your Christian compassion.  How did religion wander so far from it's original truth that God is love?  All this morality crap got heaped on top of something that was originally about the soul's liberation.
Now it's all about political power and preserving wealth and the status quo.
But don't punch old ladies, that's also not cool.
 
2013-08-26 12:38:21 PM

stevenboof: SpectroBoy: Punching a 78 year old woman in the back should be considered attempted murder since it could, in fact, kill her. Like, you know, if she face planted on concrete due to the punch.

Which could happen when you punch anybody anywhere.


I guess it _could_, but I think punching a person who is nearly 80 years old is FAR more likely to kill them than a younger person. What am I missing?
 
2013-08-26 12:39:48 PM
Hitting is a dumb-shiat response.  That's that.  But this couple seems the furthest from caring and Christian.  They stand out there and try to rile up women in their weakest moments.  It's disgusting.  You can tell they're just fishing for extreme behavior.  The man left his wife without checking to see if she was ok to chase this guy down...just so they could GIT 'EM.  They weren't looking for an apology or to teach a lesson...they just wanted to put that Chinaman in jail, 'cuz Murica.  The two of them are just as cowardly as the guy who threw the punch.  I say put all three of them in same jail cell for a couple days.
 
2013-08-26 12:41:28 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: IronOcelot: Talking about punching old ladies is the new ITG thing?

Yeah, what about it gramma? Don't test me, I've knocked out more octogenarians than cancer.


I'm not proud of this, but I laffed.
 
2013-08-26 12:42:23 PM

MBooda: NathanAllen: I'm sure her multiple arrests and refusal to undergoe court ordered psychiatric evaluation have nothing to do with this incident.

So is indecent exposure working out as an excuse for you to rape?


False parallel is false.

In Georgia, use of "fighting words" is considered an assault, and can be used as a defense for the person committing simple assault or battery in response to the abusive language. Now, I certainly wouldn't advocate punching some old bag if she went on a spittle-flinging, racist rant at the top of her voice (which appears to be her M.O.) BUT....

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