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(Opposing Views)   Master debater tells 78-year-old woman that he disagrees with her position on abortion, but respects her right to express it. Either that or he punches her. I forget which one   (opposingviews.com) divider line 363
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2013-08-26 09:30:20 AM  
Obviously a member of the Mike Tyson School Debating Club.
 
2013-08-26 09:31:47 AM  
How's that War on Women going, libs?
 
2013-08-26 09:36:11 AM  
Did that video ever get interesting?
 
2013-08-26 09:37:05 AM  
Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.
 
2013-08-26 09:37:27 AM  
Can't it be both?
 
2013-08-26 09:46:04 AM  
Good lord, you farking idiot.  FOX isn't going to let this one go.  The only thing I will be able to say is some people are idiots.  Then the anti-choice people will feel as though they won the argument.
 
2013-08-26 09:49:11 AM  
Man, there are some people who are going to be so upset that he did that where other people could see it.
 
2013-08-26 09:50:21 AM  
Man Ma said knock you out!
 
2013-08-26 09:57:07 AM  
You know, I'm pro-choice and I could actually get behind a rational movement that tries to convince women to choose different alternatives than abortion. But anti-abortion folks aren't actually concerned about stopping abortions so much as they are about punishing women for having sex. It's sad, really.

/best way to cut down on the number of abortions: comprehensive sex-eduation and wide availability of birth control
 
2013-08-26 09:58:59 AM  
I like how the link to the story says 87-year-old woman when it's actually 78.

For the record, sometimes the anti-abortion vitriol my mom spews out at me makes me want to punch her, and she's in her 60s. And she's my mom.
 
2013-08-26 10:01:43 AM  

EvilEgg: Good lord, you farking idiot.  FOX isn't going to let this one go.  The only thing I will be able to say is some people are idiots.  Then the anti-choice people will feel as though they won the argument.


oh, fox producers will be rubbing their hands with glee over this one. the only missing cherry on top for them would be if the assailant were black. but still, the GOP hasn't really done enough to alienate the asian-american community, so maybe this will represent some headway in that area.
 
2013-08-26 10:04:04 AM  

Nabb1: Man, there are some people who are going to be so upset that he did that where other people could see it.


I have to admit that knocking the teeth out of some of the dried up prunes I've seen protesting at the local clinic would be highly gratifying.  Talk about a group of angry, bitter people with too much time on their hands.  And God help you if you stray onto that block by accident.  You're either with them, or against them.
 
2013-08-26 10:08:07 AM  

FlashHarry: EvilEgg: Good lord, you farking idiot.  FOX isn't going to let this one go.  The only thing I will be able to say is some people are idiots.  Then the anti-choice people will feel as though they won the argument.

oh, fox producers will be rubbing their hands with glee over this one. the only missing cherry on top for them would be if the assailant were black. but still, the GOP hasn't really done enough to alienate the asian-american community, so maybe this will represent some headway in that area.


That's because the Asians are the good minority
 
2013-08-26 10:27:14 AM  

Diogenes: Man Ma said knock you out!


Heh.
 
2013-08-26 10:30:13 AM  
1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag
 
2013-08-26 10:31:45 AM  

cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag


To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!
 
2013-08-26 10:32:46 AM  

cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag


I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them, so there's a certain symmetry there.
 
2013-08-26 10:33:31 AM  

cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag


I agree.  As reprehensible as I find the anti-choicers who walk around with graphic signs meant to offend sensibilities and provoke such reactions, they have a right to their speech.  He fell into their trap and gave them just what they want - publicity and the opportunity to legitimately play the victim card in the national media.
 
2013-08-26 10:35:54 AM  
Nice tactic.  These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.  If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly.  Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.
 
2013-08-26 10:36:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them, so there's a certain symmetry there.


Stereotypes aren't just for bigots, are they now?
 
2013-08-26 10:36:21 AM  

cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!


You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.
 
2013-08-26 10:38:27 AM  

reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.


Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.
 
2013-08-26 10:40:13 AM  

cman: Marcus Aurelius: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them, so there's a certain symmetry there.

Stereotypes aren't just for bigots, are they now?


Stereotypes?

Do you mean I should assume that an anti-abortion protester lacks the conviction to act on their most sacred beliefs?

That's an insult to committed anti-abortion protesters, if you ask me.
 
2013-08-26 10:40:27 AM  

cman: Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.


Her way of speaking out about it is so bad, the *arresting officer* said this:
"Listen, you and I both know why he did it," the officer said to Dan. "He doesn't like the sign. I personally don't like the sign...he was extremely offended by the sign...you're looking to provoke an extreme reaction with that."

So yeah.  She's using highly-offensive signs and words to try and provoke people into hitting her, and multiple people have.  Yes, she's repugnant.  She's a 78-year-old abortion troll.
 
2013-08-26 10:41:19 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them


No, you're not. You just want to feel better about seeing an old lady get hit because you disagree with her. If you hear an old lady got hit by a grown man for no apparent reason and you decide how to react based on your politics, you are a shiatty human being. Period.
 
2013-08-26 10:43:12 AM  

Diogenes: Nice tactic. These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding. If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly. Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.


lolwut
 
2013-08-26 10:44:40 AM  
The 78-year-old woman, Donna Holman, said she was protesting abortion near a Planned Parenthood office on Wednesday morning, when Man Chun John Ma, an international graduate student at the University of Iowa, hit her in the back and then walked away without saying a word, according to The Blaze.

I'm pretty sure Man Chun John Ma is some sort of martial art involving donkey punching old people.

I could really get into that.
 
2013-08-26 10:47:15 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Diogenes: Nice tactic. These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding. If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly. Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.

lolwut


Geez.  I was hoping to hook a wingnut.

That's a nice bit of derp I plagiarized from Ann Coulter.  I couldn't sink that low without assistance ;-)
 
2013-08-26 10:47:59 AM  

Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them

No, you're not. You just want to feel better about seeing an old lady get hit because you disagree with her. If you hear an old lady got hit by a grown man for no apparent reason and you decide how to react based on your politics, you are a shiatty human being. Period.


Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult.  They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder.  They use intimidation and threats on a daily basis.  I don't give any of them a pass simply because of their age or gender.

Of course responding to any of them with violence is abhorrent.  They deserve to be marginalized and ignored.

But walk through their little gauntlet once or twice before rendering judgement on this dumb schlub.
 
2013-08-26 10:51:14 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder


Same argument, basically.
 
2013-08-26 10:51:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them

No, you're not. You just want to feel better about seeing an old lady get hit because you disagree with her. If you hear an old lady got hit by a grown man for no apparent reason and you decide how to react based on your politics, you are a shiatty human being. Period.

Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult.  They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder.  They use intimidation and threats on a daily basis.  I don't give any of them a pass simply because of their age or gender.

Of course responding to any of them with violence is abhorrent.  They deserve to be marginalized and ignored.

But walk through their little gauntlet once or twice before rendering judgement on this dumb schlub.


FFS, asshole

Should we blame all Muslims for 9/11, too?
 
2013-08-26 10:52:45 AM  

serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.


Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.
 
2013-08-26 10:52:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them

No, you're not. You just want to feel better about seeing an old lady get hit because you disagree with her. If you hear an old lady got hit by a grown man for no apparent reason and you decide how to react based on your politics, you are a shiatty human being. Period.

Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult.  They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder.  They use intimidation and threats on a daily basis.  I don't give any of them a pass simply because of their age or gender.

Of course responding to any of them with violence is abhorrent.  They deserve to be marginalized and ignored.

But walk through their little gauntlet once or twice before rendering judgement on this dumb schlub.


He's 30, and punched an old lady - in the back, no less - without any indication she was threatening him or anything else. I don't know, maybe it's just because I was brought up believing a man doesn't strike a woman, especially an old woman, especially an old woman in the back, especially an old woman in the back who is not posing any sort of imminent physical threat. But, that's just me. If you think beating up on seniors is warranted because of political views, then don't forget the extra starch in your brown shirts.
 
2013-08-26 10:54:07 AM  

Nabb1: He's 30, and punched an old lady - in the back, no less - without any indication she was threatening him or anything else.


We have no choice but to offer him a supervisory position with the Philadelphia Police Department.
 
2013-08-26 10:54:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.


We don't have any proof that this lady "verbally assaulted" anybody.  She was just holding a sign as far as we know.
 
2013-08-26 10:54:43 AM  
Holman and her husband have been protesting at Planned Parenthood locations for decades, and have reportedly had people hit them and throw things at them in the past.

LOL
 
2013-08-26 10:55:20 AM  
You don't even need to punch them.

I just call those old ladies horrible names when I drive by abortion clinic and that seems to do the trick.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:43 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.


You have never been to Pakistan I presume
 
2013-08-26 10:56:00 AM  
Is your motivation for opposing abortions based solely or mostly by the teachings or preachings of a religion? Then STFU and quit forcing your religion on other people. The human race isn't in danger of going extinct, we have the technology, quit standing in the way of progress.
 
2013-08-26 10:56:37 AM  

serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.

We don't have any proof that this lady "verbally assaulted" anybody.  She was just holding a sign as far as we know.


You are such a little ho.
 
2013-08-26 10:57:03 AM  

EvilEgg: FlashHarry: EvilEgg: Good lord, you farking idiot.  FOX isn't going to let this one go.  The only thing I will be able to say is some people are idiots.  Then the anti-choice people will feel as though they won the argument.

oh, fox producers will be rubbing their hands with glee over this one. the only missing cherry on top for them would be if the assailant were black. but still, the GOP hasn't really done enough to alienate the asian-american community, so maybe this will represent some headway in that area.

That's because the Asians are the good minority


Yeah, and they did a great job building the railroads.
 
2013-08-26 10:57:24 AM  
Mass debate. Mass debater. I don't know why so many Farkers fail to grasp this very simple joke.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:39 AM  

mooseyfate: The human race isn't in danger of going extinct, we have the technology, quit standing in the way of progress.


Delusions, Mr. Wordsworth. Delusions that you inject into your veins with printer's ink. The narcotics that you call literature. The Bible, poetry, essays of all kind an opiate to make you think you have a strength when you have no strength at all! You have nothing but spindly limbs and a dream and the state has no use for your kind!
 
2013-08-26 10:58:42 AM  
He shouldn't have punched her. Violence just makes things worse. He should know that.

That said, the old biatch deserved it.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:48 AM  

serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?


This
 
2013-08-26 11:00:11 AM  

realmolo: He shouldn't have punched her. Violence just makes things worse. He should know that.

That said, the old biatch deserved it.


Anyone that disagrees with you deserves a punch in the face?
 
2013-08-26 11:00:34 AM  

cman: FFS, asshole

Should we blame all Muslims for 9/11, too?


I would argue that a very small percentage of Muslims were responsible for 9/11, so no.

I would also point out that 100% of abortion protesters are responsible for 100% of all abortion restrictions in this country.

See the difference?
 
2013-08-26 11:00:54 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.


FFS, can you stop making me agree with cman?! The need, at this point, isn't to be bigger d*cks than the other side of the issue. Maybe we should just get you a 'Jump To Conclusions' mat and let you play by yourself, cus you're really not helping anything by posting in this thread.
 
2013-08-26 11:00:58 AM  

realmolo: He shouldn't have punched her. Violence just makes things worse. He should know that.

That said, the old biatch deserved it.


That'll learn that woman for havin' her own opinions about things. If you want some biatch's opinion, you'll give it to her. Biatches love to be told what to think. It's science. What to you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing. You already told her twice, amirite?
 
2013-08-26 11:01:32 AM  

Nabb1: He's 30, and punched an old lady - in the back, no less - without any indication she was threatening him or anything else. I don't know, maybe it's just because I was brought up believing a man doesn't strike a woman, especially an old woman, especially an old woman in the back, especially an old woman in the back who is not posing any sort of imminent physical threat. But, that's just me. If you think beating up on seniors is warranted because of political views, then don't forget the extra starch in your brown shirts


So where exactly did I say that what he did was right?
 
2013-08-26 11:02:11 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: cman: FFS, asshole

Should we blame all Muslims for 9/11, too?

I would argue that a very small percentage of Muslims were responsible for 9/11, so no.

I would also point out that 100% of abortion protesters are responsible for 100% of all abortion restrictions in this country.

See the difference?


That totally justifies beating up old ladies, I admit. Now, about this weird boner...
 
2013-08-26 11:02:16 AM  

INeedAName: Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.

FFS, can you stop making me agree with cman?! The need, at this point, isn't to be bigger d*cks than the other side of the issue. Maybe we should just get you a 'Jump To Conclusions' mat and let you play by yourself, cus you're really not helping anything by posting in this thread.


Must be a blue moon outside somewhere in the world
 
2013-08-26 11:02:48 AM  

Nabb1: I was brought up believing a man doesn't strike a woman,


Archaic nonsense.  You shouldn't strike any other human beings, but if you are going to you shouldn't disqualify them because she has a vagina.   

Its like Mike in Breaking Bad chastising himself for being sexist and not killing Lydia.  "Trust me, this womandeserves to die as much as any man I've ever met."
 
2013-08-26 11:03:28 AM  

Nabb1: That totally justifies beating up old ladies, I admit. Now, about this weird boner...


Let me clarify this for anyone that fails to understand nuance: beating up old ladies is bad.

There.  I said it.  I hope you're happy now :)
 
2013-08-26 11:04:10 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.


This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. When a liberal crosses the herpaderpaderp barrier, we tell him to STFU, EABOD, and GTFO.
 
2013-08-26 11:05:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: He's 30, and punched an old lady - in the back, no less - without any indication she was threatening him or anything else. I don't know, maybe it's just because I was brought up believing a man doesn't strike a woman, especially an old woman, especially an old woman in the back, especially an old woman in the back who is not posing any sort of imminent physical threat. But, that's just me. If you think beating up on seniors is warranted because of political views, then don't forget the extra starch in your brown shirts

So where exactly did I say that what he did was right?


One of the first things you said is that you might find doing such a thing "highly gratifying." Your words. Not mine. You've spent a lot of time rationalizing and empathizing with the attacker, and, perhaps in a rare moment of self-awareness, posited that generally "responding with violence is wrong," but you've made clear where your true feelings lie.
 
2013-08-26 11:05:29 AM  

cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!


Come at me, bro.


www.blitzmag.net
 
2013-08-26 11:05:38 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I would also point out that 100% of abortion protesters are responsible for 100% of all abortion restrictions in this country


I've never gone so far as to go to a protest, but I tend to disagree with the tricks Republicans play to reduce access to abortion, and have weighed it in my voting decisions.  I wouldn't discount the possibility that somebody who gives enough of a shiat to go out and protest might be in the same boat that I am.
 
2013-08-26 11:05:49 AM  

rga184: Relatively Obscure: Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.

This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. When a liberal crosses the herpaderpaderp barrier, we tell him to STFU, EABOD, and GTFO.


I have to agree

Although there are a few defending him in this thread, most liberals in this thread are against him.

Gotta give credit where credit is due.
 
2013-08-26 11:05:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: That totally justifies beating up old ladies, I admit. Now, about this weird boner...

Let me clarify this for anyone that fails to understand nuance: beating up old ladies is bad.

There.  I said it.  I hope you're happy now :)


Okay.

Nope. Did nothing for the boner.
 
2013-08-26 11:06:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: That totally justifies beating up old ladies, I admit. Now, about this weird boner...

Let me clarify this for anyone that fails to understand nuance: beating up old ladies is bad.

There.  I said it.  I hope you're happy now :)


The issue with your posts has nothing to do with which side you're taking when it comes to beating up old ladies. The problem is that you basically come out and call her a murderer. Really added to the level of the conversation, so thanks for that.
 
2013-08-26 11:06:51 AM  
I think that if a senior citizen is in full possession of their faculties and brandishing a weapon (not an improvised one) with the express intent to kill/harm you, then it's okay to punch the senior citizen.
 
2013-08-26 11:07:31 AM  

bdub77: I like how the link to the story says 87-year-old woman when it's actually 78.

For the record, sometimes the anti-abortion vitriol my mom spews out at me makes me want to punch her, and she's in her 60s. And she's my mom.


I do think that holding a sign with an aborted fetus out on the street where people with a weak stomach as well as little kids can see it is beyond a dick move. That woman deserved to be punched, albeit they should have gotten another 78 yo woman to punch her. See? It wasn't the punch that was bad, it was that they were fighting different weight classes.

/I keed, I keed. No punching by anyone.
 
2013-08-26 11:08:45 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.



Heh...you KNOW he doesn't belong here, he took responsibility for his actions, and then owned up to his crime:

"Sorry about that...I know I'm in trouble," Ma said to Dan, when asked if he hit Donna.

Ma also later tells police that, "I did punch her...that was probably wrong."

That kind of attitude, he'd never fit in :)
 
2013-08-26 11:09:01 AM  

cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.


Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.
 
2013-08-26 11:09:25 AM  
plenty of senior citizens deserve a good donkey punch, and this woman may have had it coming, but this was neither the time or the place to make that happen.  let her bump you with her sign outside of an abortion clinic and then let loose and claim self defense.
 
2013-08-26 11:12:50 AM  

rga184: cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.

Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.


I must be missing something. Can you please point it out to me? The sign that I see just has PLANNED MURDER on it. I cannot tell what the pictures betwixt Planned Parenthood and PLANNED MURDER are
 
2013-08-26 11:14:30 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them, so there's a certain symmetry there.


Yes, and the assault was a mere slap on the wrist for that possible thought crime. Not even a thought crime she committed---a potential thought crime. Do you yourself not admit that you would pull the trigger if someone pushed a bound Dick Fuld in front of you, and handed you a gun? Can you tell the jury why you don't deserve to die for your potential thought crime?
 
2013-08-26 11:14:45 AM  
I read the headline as "masterbater".
 
2013-08-26 11:15:57 AM  
Why are we educating Chicoms?

Of course he doesn't understand how some could be opposed to abortion. His country gives forced abortions to those violating China's One Child Policy - at term. When the baby crowns, they inject formaldehyde into its skull.

Shop Wal-Mart, you real Americans, you.
 
2013-08-26 11:16:22 AM  

Mongo No.5: plenty of senior citizens deserve a good donkey punch


Um...
 
2013-08-26 11:17:25 AM  
Maybe he was just looking for Nipsey?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argZ5w5uI24
 
2013-08-26 11:18:31 AM  
Obviously, there was an abortion 79 years too late.
 
2013-08-26 11:19:00 AM  
Ma Man punches like a girl.  Maybe he should change his name to Home Boy.
 
2013-08-26 11:19:19 AM  

Apik0r0s: Why are we educating Chicoms?

Of course he doesn't understand how some could be opposed to abortion. His country gives forced abortions to those violating China's One Child Policy - at term. When the baby crowns, they inject formaldehyde into its skull.

Shop Wal-Mart, you real Americans, you.


Desperately hoping the Chinese have a cutesy Mandarin portmanteau for us as well. Americaps sounds like a company that produces American flag trucker hats, and I like that.
 
2013-08-26 11:20:28 AM  

Apik0r0s: Why are we educating Chicoms?

Of course he doesn't understand how some could be opposed to abortion. His country gives forced abortions to those violating China's One Child Policy - at term. When the baby crowns, they inject formaldehyde into its skull.

Shop Wal-Mart, you real Americans, you.


I know, right?! because all people living in the same country share the same beliefs and ideals and educating them certainly won't change a thing.
 
2013-08-26 11:20:43 AM  
I clicked the link expecting some sort of sexual assault/GILF story...  The derp in this thread... it's... it's stunning.    I don't think I've seen anything like it.  And I've been to the politics tab before.
 
2013-08-26 11:20:59 AM  
img.photobucket.com

Have you ever seen such cruelty?
 
2013-08-26 11:21:02 AM  

Mongo No.5: plenty of senior citizens deserve a good donkey punch, and this woman may have had it coming, but this was neither the time or the place to make that happen.  let her bump you with her sign outside of an abortion clinic and then let loose and claim self defense.


I"m going to assume you either don't know what a donkey punch is instead of assuming you enjoy sharing your sexual fetishes with random farkers
 
2013-08-26 11:22:03 AM  

cman: Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.

You have never been to Pakistan I presume


Or Egypt, Syria, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and the list goes on and on.
 
2013-08-26 11:22:24 AM  

gnosis301: Mongo No.5: plenty of senior citizens deserve a good donkey punch

Um...


Forget it. He's rolling.
 
2013-08-26 11:22:50 AM  

cman: Anyone that disagrees with you deserves a punch in the face?


People that hang out in front of clinics all day screaming obscenities at others deserve a punch in the face.  What they do is harassment, and rarely do the authorities do a thing about it.  At least not around here.  These people don't simply disagree--they're in the business of public harassment and shaming.

The kid was a douche to punch her, and I really can't muster any sympathy for either of them.  She's out there inciting this kind of thing, and was expecting it.
 
2013-08-26 11:22:59 AM  
I knew the guy was pro-choice because it wasn't mentioned in the headline.
 
2013-08-26 11:23:04 AM  

Carth: Mongo No.5: plenty of senior citizens deserve a good donkey punch, and this woman may have had it coming, but this was neither the time or the place to make that happen.  let her bump you with her sign outside of an abortion clinic and then let loose and claim self defense.

I"m going to assume you either don't know what a donkey punch is instead of assuming you enjoy sharing your sexual fetishes with random farkers


Have you ever been on Total FARK?!
 
gja
2013-08-26 11:23:57 AM  

rga184: cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.

Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.


So, you think striking another person is okley-dokely as long as their views are what you consider repugnant?
Good to know. Let me know how that intolerance works out for you.
/jackazz

"The first man to raise a fist is the one who has run out of ideas."
 
2013-08-26 11:26:29 AM  

ReverendJasen: cman: Anyone that disagrees with you deserves a punch in the face?

People that hang out in front of clinics all day screaming obscenities at others deserve a punch in the face.  What they do is harassment, and rarely do the authorities do a thing about it.  At least not around here.  These people don't simply disagree--they're in the business of public harassment and shaming.

The kid was a douche to punch her, and I really can't muster any sympathy for either of them.  She's out there inciting this kind of thing, and was expecting it.


Nah, they're cool. I mean they're terrible people, but as long as they're not getting violent or harassing individuals they should be allowed to protest all day. It's how our politics works on the street level, and it's good.
 
2013-08-26 11:27:46 AM  

SurfaceTension: You know, I'm pro-choice and I could actually get behind a rational movement that tries to convince women to choose different alternatives than abortion. But anti-abortion folks aren't actually concerned about stopping abortions so much as they are about punishing women for having sex. It's sad, really.

/best way to cut down on the number of abortions: comprehensive sex-eduation and wide availability of birth control


This.  Just try to convince the religous RIGHT of that.
 
2013-08-26 11:28:25 AM  

Diogenes: Nice tactic.  These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.  If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly.  Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.



In their defense, *punch* is not an intelligent rebuttal to any point.
 
gja
2013-08-26 11:30:00 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Diogenes: Nice tactic.  These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.  If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly.  Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.


In their defense, *punch* is not an intelligent rebuttal to any point.


I agree wholeheartedly.

::::::::runs to window to check and see if all planets have suddenly stopped spinning:::::::::

/i keed i keed
 
2013-08-26 11:30:06 AM  
lilplatinum:   Archaic nonsense.  You shouldn't strike any other human beings, but if you are going to you shouldn't disqualify them because she has a vagina.


i89.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-26 11:30:09 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I knew the guy was pro-choice because it wasn't mentioned in the headline.


He also didn't blow up the clinic or shoot anyone.
 
2013-08-26 11:30:23 AM  

serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.


Not really. Being Muslim has a much wider body of definition than being an antiabortion protestor. Now if you said something like al Qaeda member or Middle Eastern militant you would have a much more accurate comparison, as they are much more tightly defined.
 
2013-08-26 11:30:33 AM  
biatch had it coming.
 
2013-08-26 11:30:49 AM  

Nabb1: That'll learn that woman for havin' her own opinions about things. If you want some biatch's opinion, you'll give it to her. Biatches love to be told what to think. It's science. What to you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing. You already told her twice, amirite?


I have my own opinions as well but I don't feel the need to spend decades standing on street corners holding billboards to voice said opinions. If they cared about children so much why are they out protesting instead of fostering them or donating to charities?
 
2013-08-26 11:30:51 AM  
www.i-mockery.com
 
2013-08-26 11:31:35 AM  
Why even care what idiotic laws we have regarding abortion, you don't even really live here dude...
 
2013-08-26 11:31:38 AM  

cman: rga184: cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.

Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.

I must be missing something. Can you please point it out to me? The sign that I see just has PLANNED MURDER on it. I cannot tell what the pictures betwixt Planned Parenthood and PLANNED MURDER are


It is a picture of a dismembered, bloody, aborted fetus.
 
2013-08-26 11:31:58 AM  

FreetardoRivera: You don't even need to punch them.

I just call those old ladies horrible names when I drive by abortion clinic and that seems to do the trick.


I usually shout out, "dead babies are delicious!" without regard or any real idea as to what kind of impact my stupid immaturity may be having on the tone of the overall debate, purely because I think it's funny to look at people and say this.
 
2013-08-26 11:33:43 AM  

Fafai: FreetardoRivera: You don't even need to punch them.

I just call those old ladies horrible names when I drive by abortion clinic and that seems to do the trick.

I usually shout out, "dead babies are delicious!" without regard or any real idea as to what kind of impact my stupid immaturity may be having on the tone of the overall debate, purely because I think it's funny to look at people and say this.


They wouldn't make more than a mouthful, not once they were skinned and boned. You should sit on 'em, one by one and squash 'em into jelly.
 
2013-08-26 11:34:04 AM  
This proves people for abortion are crazy and dangerous
 
2013-08-26 11:34:34 AM  

gja: DROxINxTHExWIND: Diogenes: Nice tactic.  These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.  If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly.  Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.


In their defense, *punch* is not an intelligent rebuttal to any point.

I agree wholeheartedly.

::::::::runs to window to check and see if all planets have suddenly stopped spinning:::::::::

/i keed i keed



People always come around to seeing things my way, eventually.   ;-)
 
2013-08-26 11:35:37 AM  

doubled99: This proves people for abortion are crazy and dangerous


You think punching one old person is more proof of that than murdering millions of innocent babies?
 
2013-08-26 11:35:40 AM  
He punched an adult, not a fetus. What's the big deal?
 
2013-08-26 11:35:47 AM  
Tonights featured fight is Man Ma versus GrandMa, that's right folks,  the Zygote Zinger going up against the Embryo Emancipator. This is truly the Fight of a Lifetime, a War for the Womb, A knock out, drag out brawl for baby. A no holds barred hanger scraping plan B strategy against the relentless retiree with technology.
 
2013-08-26 11:35:55 AM  
Talking about punching old ladies is the new ITG thing?
 
2013-08-26 11:36:09 AM  
Should have hit her harder...
 
2013-08-26 11:36:12 AM  
Is this how it played out?

i277.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-26 11:36:48 AM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Not really. Being Muslim has a much wider body of definition than being an antiabortion protestor. Now if you said something like al Qaeda member or Middle Eastern militant you would have a much more accurate comparison, as they are much more tightly defined.


Just like the vast majority of Muslims, the vast majority of anti-abortion protestors have never committed terrorism or murder, nor have any of them had any direct involvement in planning terrorism or murder.
It's only a small fringe element that resorts to violence.

It's not a fringe element of al Qaeda that resorts to violence.  Violence is their organization's purpose.
 
2013-08-26 11:37:32 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

This


I'm not trying to defend this guy in any way, but this is pretty ridiculous if what you're trying to say through sarcasm is "why do liberals say that  conservatives are carrying out a war on women, when this guy, who just hit an old lady, is a liberal"?
And the difference of course is that the conservative war on women is part of the GOP party platform, held by most of the GOP members, and with portions being enacted in many parts of the country. This guy... was working on his own,  and was arrested for it.

Either that or 10/10.
 
2013-08-26 11:38:09 AM  

IronOcelot: Talking about punching old ladies is the new ITG thing?


Yeah, what about it gramma? Don't test me, I've knocked out more octogenarians than cancer.
 
2013-08-26 11:38:36 AM  

Diogenes: Relatively Obscure: Diogenes: Nice tactic. These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding. If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly. Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.

lolwut

Geez.  I was hoping to hook a wingnut.

That's a nice bit of derp I plagiarized from Ann Coulter.  I couldn't sink that low without assistance ;-)


Aw, sorry I didn't mean to spook the fish.
 
2013-08-26 11:39:03 AM  

Diogenes: Nice tactic.  These anti-abortion people are using and old lady to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.  If they have a point to make about the abortion, about how to protect the unborn, how about sending in somebody we are allowed to respond to. No. No. No. We have to respond to someone who who's elderly.  Because then if we respond, oh you are attacking an old lady.


There are "responses" that don't involve physical violence. He could have tried one (or several) of those. He chose not to. I think that if the political positions in this confrontation were reversed, you wouldn't be quite so willing to blame the victim.
 
2013-08-26 11:39:32 AM  

gja: rga184: cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.

Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.

So, you think striking another person is okley-dokely as long as their views are what you consider repugnant?
Good to know. Let me know how that intolerance works out for you.
/jackazz

"The first man to raise a fist is the one who has run out of ideas."


So you're saying there's nothing that would move you to violence?

That's actually pretty horrible.
 
2013-08-26 11:39:56 AM  

INeedAName: Apik0r0s: Why are we educating Chicoms?

Of course he doesn't understand how some could be opposed to abortion. His country gives forced abortions to those violating China's One Child Policy - at term. When the baby crowns, they inject formaldehyde into its skull.

Shop Wal-Mart, you real Americans, you.

I know, right?! because all people living in the same country share the same beliefs and ideals and educating them certainly won't change a thing.


You do realize that the Chinese government's central mission is to ensure that everybody share the same beliefs and ideals, right?
 
2013-08-26 11:40:54 AM  
The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.
 
2013-08-26 11:41:23 AM  

cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!


I dunno man, some old people are mean.
 
2013-08-26 11:42:03 AM  
I read that headline as "masturbator"... need to get my mind elsewhere..
 
2013-08-26 11:42:17 AM  

Nabb1: No, you're not. You just want to feel better about seeing an old lady get hit because you disagree with her. If you hear an old lady got hit by a grown man for no apparent reason and you decide how to react based on your politics, you are a shiatty human being. Period.


The guy should not have hit her.  But she did not get hit for "no apparent reason".  The reason is quite apparent.  She was trying to provoke a reaction and she got one.
 
2013-08-26 11:42:55 AM  

serial_crusher: It's only a small fringe element that resorts to violence.


But if you get shot by an anti-abortion activist it's your own damn fault.
 
gja
2013-08-26 11:43:18 AM  

Ned Stark: gja: rga184: cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.

Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.

So, you think striking another person is okley-dokely as long as their views are what you consider repugnant?
Good to know. Let me know how that intolerance works out for you.
/jackazz

"The first man to raise a fist is the one who has run out of ideas."

So you're saying there's nothing that would move you to violence?

That's actually pretty horrible.


Where did you arrive at that? That far a jump could clear the Grand Canyon with a broken leg.
To elicit a violent response from me takes a MASSIVE effort. I reserve visceral responses such as physical violence for only the most outrageous actions or threats to life and limb.
 
2013-08-26 11:43:36 AM  
Well, she was old, that's probably why the biatch went down so fast.
 
2013-08-26 11:45:17 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: In their defense, *punch* is not an intelligent rebuttal to any point.


Well, maybe it is to sommmmmme points... :-)
 
2013-08-26 11:46:00 AM  

realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.


Not sure if serious or trolling.  Either way you're not helping.
 
gja
2013-08-26 11:46:25 AM  

JuggleGeek: Nabb1: No, you're not. You just want to feel better about seeing an old lady get hit because you disagree with her. If you hear an old lady got hit by a grown man for no apparent reason and you decide how to react based on your politics, you are a shiatty human being. Period.

The guy should not have hit her.  But she did not get hit for "no apparent reason".  The reason is quite apparent.  She was trying to provoke a reaction and she got one.


She trolled well, and he fell for it. He failed at being a good human.
He deserves the social equivalent of a punch in the nuts.
 
2013-08-26 11:47:57 AM  

Fafai: FreetardoRivera: You don't even need to punch them.

I just call those old ladies horrible names when I drive by abortion clinic and that seems to do the trick.

I usually shout out, "dead babies are delicious!" without regard or any real idea as to what kind of impact my stupid immaturity may be having on the tone of the overall debate, purely because I think it's funny to look at people and say this.


It's also a good idea to ask them "If a dead fetus was never really a human, does that still define me as a cannibal to find dead babies delicious?"

/Too far?
 
2013-08-26 11:48:03 AM  

realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.


There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.
 
2013-08-26 11:48:36 AM  
Probably the unpopular position here but here goes:

If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.
 
2013-08-26 11:49:40 AM  

CPGamer: Fafai: FreetardoRivera: You don't even need to punch them.

I just call those old ladies horrible names when I drive by abortion clinic and that seems to do the trick.

I usually shout out, "dead babies are delicious!" without regard or any real idea as to what kind of impact my stupid immaturity may be having on the tone of the overall debate, purely because I think it's funny to look at people and say this.

It's also a good idea to ask them "If a dead fetus was never really a human, does that still define me as a cannibal to find dead babies delicious?"

/Too far?


I don't know if I can fit all that in as I drive by. There are people behind me with better things to do. I have respect for those people.
 
2013-08-26 11:49:56 AM  

evaned: And the difference of course is that the conservative war on women is part of the GOP party platform, held by most of the GOP members, and with portions being enacted in many parts of the country. This guy... was working on his own, and was arrested for it.


And nobody's defending what he did.
 
2013-08-26 11:50:12 AM  

gja: Ned Stark: gja: rga184: cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.

Did you see the sign she was holding? She is the epitome of repugnant.

So, you think striking another person is okley-dokely as long as their views are what you consider repugnant?
Good to know. Let me know how that intolerance works out for you.
/jackazz

"The first man to raise a fist is the one who has run out of ideas."

So you're saying there's nothing that would move you to violence?

That's actually pretty horrible.

Where did you arrive at that? That far a jump could clear the Grand Canyon with a broken leg.
To elicit a violent response from me takes a MASSIVE effort. I reserve visceral responses such as physical violence for only the most outrageous actions or threats to life and limb.


I don't know, I would kill for a burrito right now.
 
2013-08-26 11:50:38 AM  
He was wrong, period. Her age and isn't important. He would be just as wrong if she was 30 years old.

Throw the book at him.

Those of you making excuses for him, even tepid ones, sound scarily similar to the people who start comments about abortion bombings with "well, I can understand their motivation but..."
 
2013-08-26 11:50:54 AM  
Perfect illustration of the difference between what one deserves and what one should expect. Did she deserve to get hit? No, of course not, nobody does unless they're doing something that's going to harm others. Should she have expected it? Absolutely. You stand in front of a clinic, waving disgusting, repugnant, graphic signs of dismembered fetuses, screaming belligerent hateful garbage at anyone in earshot, you bet your ass someone is going to haul off and smack you. I imagine this is exactly the reaction these mental lightweights are hoping for so they can crawl up on their cross and play martyr for a while.

\is it really schadenfreude if she got exactly what she was looking for?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 11:51:54 AM  

MooseUpNorth: evaned: And the difference of course is that the conservative war on women is part of the GOP party platform, held by most of the GOP members, and with portions being enacted in many parts of the country. This guy... was working on his own, and was arrested for it.

And nobody's defending what he did.


It's also funny as violence is *respected* in many parts of the anti-choice community.  One nutter goes over the edge on the pro-choice side and, boom, headlines.  Meanwhile there is a meeting going on somewhere right at this moment where someone is advocating murder of an abortion doctor...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 11:52:40 AM  

The Why Not Guy: He was wrong, period. Her age and isn't important. He would be just as wrong if she was 30 years old.

Throw the book at him.

Those of you making excuses for him, even tepid ones, sound scarily similar to the people who start comments about abortion bombings with "well, I can understand their motivation but..."


I agree.  Throw the book at him.  But don't coddle the other side, either.
 
gja
2013-08-26 11:53:08 AM  

Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.


There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.
 
2013-08-26 11:53:17 AM  

MooseUpNorth: And nobody's defending what he did.


[Finishes reading this thread]  *sigh* I'll be over here in the corner for a while, losing my faith in humanity.
 
2013-08-26 11:54:06 AM  
Is this just an abortion is sin sign or a picture of a dismembered fetus sign?  If the later, then Kudos to the guy, and I wish he had used a power fist.

Frak anyone with one of those signs.
 
2013-08-26 11:54:36 AM  

Superjoe: EvilEgg: FlashHarry: EvilEgg: Good lord, you farking idiot.  FOX isn't going to let this one go.  The only thing I will be able to say is some people are idiots.  Then the anti-choice people will feel as though they won the argument.

oh, fox producers will be rubbing their hands with glee over this one. the only missing cherry on top for them would be if the assailant were black. but still, the GOP hasn't really done enough to alienate the asian-american community, so maybe this will represent some headway in that area.

That's because the Asians are the good minority

Yeah, and they did a great job building the railroads.


Asian men do not have any respect for women.  That is why he did that.
 
2013-08-26 11:55:18 AM  

evaned: Clemkadidlefark: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

This

I'm not trying to defend this guy in any way, but this is pretty ridiculous if what you're trying to say through sarcasm is "why do liberals say that  conservatives are carrying out a war on women, when this guy, who just hit an old lady, is a liberal"?
And the difference of course is that the conservative war on women is part of the GOP party platform, held by most of the GOP members, and with portions being enacted in many parts of the country. This guy... was working on his own,  and was arrested for it.

Either that or 10/10.


A little of column A, a little of column B.

The idea that the GOP's party platform contains a war on women is as ridiculous as the idea that this guy represents a liberal war on women.  Sure, Republicans go overboard with their goofy abortion restrictions, but that's not because you're a woman any more than this lady got hit because she was a woman.
 
2013-08-26 11:55:30 AM  

xalres: Perfect illustration of the difference between what one deserves and what one should expect. Did she deserve to get hit? No, of course not, nobody does unless they're doing something that's going to harm others. Should she have expected it? Absolutely. You stand in front of a clinic, waving disgusting, repugnant, graphic signs of dismembered fetuses, screaming belligerent hateful garbage at anyone in earshot, you bet your ass someone is going to haul off and smack you. I imagine this is exactly the reaction these mental lightweights are hoping for so they can crawl up on their cross and play martyr for a while.


And there it is.

He still shouldn't have hit her, though. Maybe flipped her off (with both barrels), sure. Maybe even eat an omelet next to her, but that could be lost on her and her ilk.
 
2013-08-26 11:56:00 AM  

gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.


So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?
 
2013-08-26 11:56:23 AM  

cman: Marcus Aurelius: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them, so there's a certain symmetry there.

Stereotypes aren't just for bigots, are they now?


When backed by evidence, not really.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 11:56:38 AM  

serial_crusher: The idea that the GOP's party platform contains a war on women is as ridiculous as the idea that this guy represents a liberal war on women. Sure, Republicans go overboard with their goofy abortion restrictions, but that's not because you're a woman any more than this lady got hit because she was a woman.


Granted, there is no "official," platform supported "War on Women."   There is a group of people that are not policing their idiots, so it's effectively the same thing.
 
2013-08-26 11:56:42 AM  
I think he's an idiot for hitting her but I also have zero sympathy for her. Her whole reason for being out there was to annoy people. I personally wouldn't have an abortion unless I was raped but I consider it none of my business what another woman does with her uterus. By definition, that makes me pro-choice, as in, "it's none of my business what you do with your body."
 
2013-08-26 11:57:04 AM  

Relatively Obscure: A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list. If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.


My reading of the article is that the guy is from China, probably hasn't been here very long and was really offended by both her speech and the image on her poster.

From his reaction on the video, it sounds like he reacted without thinking
 
2013-08-26 11:57:48 AM  
I am absolutey shocked, SHOCKED, I say, that fark liberals will only defend speech that they agree with and will only protect the weak who agree with them! I seriously just fell out of my chair!

/not really
 
2013-08-26 11:57:57 AM  
He was standing his ground.
Real men don't need handguns to stand their ground.
 
2013-08-26 11:57:58 AM  
/CSB moment

Many years ago, there was a new "Adult Entertainment" club opening up near the shopping mall. Needless to say, there were protesters. If you went into the club, they would sound airhorns, bells, whistles, yell and scream and take your picture.

Unfortunately, it was 2 stores down from the computer store. Every week, the same thing, I would walk by, someone would start with the airhorns, take a picture and then yell, loudly, 'It's okay, he's not going in!'.

After the third time, I seriously wanted to take the airhorns and administer them to the protesters rectally. What they were doing was harassment, plain and simple. But did I punch anyone? No. Did I flip them off? No. Did I pretend to walk towards the club over and over to whip them up? No. (It would have been funny, but no). I didn't do any of those things, because 1. It's absolutely wrong to assault someone and 2. THEY WANT THAT REACTION.

/Also, I was 17 at the time, so I don't know why they thought I was going into a strip club that I legally couldn't enter.
/CSB over.
 
2013-08-26 11:58:17 AM  

cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.


i1-news.softpedia-static.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 11:58:41 AM  

umad: I am absolutey shocked, SHOCKED, I say, that fark liberals will only defend speech that they agree with and will only protect the weak who agree with them! I seriously just fell out of my chair!

/not really


thunderf00tdotorg.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-26 11:59:25 AM  

gnosis301: I think that if a senior citizen is in full possession of their faculties and brandishing a weapon (not an improvised one) with the express intent to kill/harm you, then it's okay to punch the senior citizen.


A very reasonable position.  I would even go as far as to suggest it is ok to punch a senior citizen if they are attempting to use an improvised weapon against you such as a zip gun, mototav cocktail, or cup filled with acid.  These violent old farkers are getting way out of hand.  Remember the 88 year old racist who attempted to beat up the nice three African American youths after leaving the thinly veiled Nazi front group called the Eagles Club in Spokane?  It's time the youth take the streets back.
 
2013-08-26 11:59:35 AM  
I'm pretty sure here in Texas that those using a picture of a dismembered fetus on the sign would be illegal.

If that's the case in Iowa, she and her husband should also be arrested.
 
2013-08-26 11:59:50 AM  

MooseUpNorth: MooseUpNorth: And nobody's defending what he did.

[Finishes reading this thread]  *sigh* I'll be over here in the corner for a while, losing my faith in humanity.


'Cause normally this place is a beacon of tolerance and understanding? ;) Nice people doing nice things rarely make the news.
 
2013-08-26 12:00:02 PM  

cman: Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: Marcus Aurelius: Again, not assuming the anti-abortion protesters  Muslims are committed in their beliefs is the greater insult. They've already proven they're capable of terrorism and murder

Same argument, basically.

Only if the Muslims in question surround neighboring Christian churches and verbally assault anyone trying to enter.

You have never been to Pakistan I presume


www.toplessrobot.com
 
2013-08-26 12:00:54 PM  
Seriously, guys?

static2.dmcdn.net
 
2013-08-26 12:01:01 PM  

gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.


I think any woman who struck me with intent to harm me confident that her gender would protect her from getting struck back would test my self control.

But I think I could fark up her life worse by pressing charges for assault, so a cooler head would prevail and after her arrest, I would notify her employer of her behavior and her arrest.
 
2013-08-26 12:01:28 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Asian men do not have any respect for women.  That is why he did that.


lolwut
 
2013-08-26 12:02:30 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Did that video ever get interesting?


Yeah, I'm hoping someone here watched it and got to the part where they guy admitted punchuing her. I got seasick and had to stop watching. Did anyone here see the damning evidence?
 
2013-08-26 12:04:20 PM  
Lucky he didn't assassinate her or blow up the clinic, right guys?

Because THEN it would have at least rated close to what the Right likes to get away with.
 
2013-08-26 12:04:57 PM  
Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?
 
2013-08-26 12:05:24 PM  
outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com

50/50 odds
 
2013-08-26 12:06:30 PM  
Sigh. Another abortion argument.

If only there were ways to control when pregnancy occurs.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 12:06:39 PM  

NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?


Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.
 
2013-08-26 12:06:48 PM  
Should he have done what the anti-choice crowd does instead, and murdered her?
 
2013-08-26 12:07:13 PM  

Carth: So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?


I think one should think quite hard about resorting to violence "to eliminate a greater evil," whether the violence you're about to "resort" to has any possibility of doing any such thing, why it's the solution, what other consequences might be, etc.

I'm guessing the dude who punched an old lady in the back didn't spend a lot of time thinking his idea through.
 
2013-08-26 12:07:19 PM  
I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

If you follow a god of love, of compassion, and of forgiveness, who teaches us to love the sinners, and live a life of example... well, why don't you actually *follow* him, instead of giving lip service? Y'know, the god who said 'judge not', the god who said prayers should be held in private, the god who admonished those who would cast stones as they, too, were imperfect?

If Christ taught us to love one another, to forgive one another, and not to judge one another, when does that leave time to stand on street corners and attempt to shock passersby?

[csb]

Some time ago, my old church took a trip to put up signs and link arms and pray around a local clinic which provides reproductive services - including abortion - to the disadvantaged. It looked a little like the photos from this (and other) articles.

Having been a member, I was still on the mailing list and received notice. So, a few friends of mine and I went out with tarps, broomsticks, and spraypaint. We stood in front of the most offensive or graphic images, unrolled the tarp in front of us on the broomsticks, and showed a sign that read "We love you. Be strong."

The response was amazing. Suddenly, the focus was on my group. The gathered protestors took it upon themselves to hurl insults, declare we were hellbound, and so forth. All for blocking their posters with a sign about love. It took about twenty minutes from our arrival for the police to show up and ask us to stop 'disturbing the peace'. We were instructed to stop blocking the other demonstrators with our signs and leave the area.

Funny that.
[/csb]
 
2013-08-26 12:07:32 PM  

evaned: Clemkadidlefark: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

This

I'm not trying to defend this guy in any way, but this is pretty ridiculous if what you're trying to say through sarcasm is "why do liberals say that  conservatives are carrying out a war on women, when this guy, who just hit an old lady, is a liberal"?
And the difference of course is that the conservative war on women is part of the GOP party platform, held by most of the GOP members, and with portions being enacted in many parts of the country. This guy... was working on his own,  and was arrested for it.

Either that or 10/10.


You are seeing a troll where one doesn't exist, if you get my meaning.
 
2013-08-26 12:07:49 PM  

d23: NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?

Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.


And it also makes every woman a serial killer!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 12:09:13 PM  

NutWrench: d23: NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?

Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.

And it also makes every woman a serial killer!


and every woman that uses contraception a saint.
 
2013-08-26 12:11:12 PM  

d23: But don't coddle the other side, either.


Absolutely.

I did clinic defense every other Saturday morning for about ten years, starting with the Spring of Life when Buffalo was ground zero in the abortion debate. As the years passed, the crowds on both sides on those Saturday mornings became smaller and smaller, from hundreds to dozens and eventually to the same four or five on each side. But even in those later years when there were only four of us and five of them, tempers could flare. They were trying to piss us off and were trying to do the same to them.

The point of all this is if you can't handle being exposed to someone with a different view holding a provocative sign and yelling in your face (I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm just saying in general) without getting violent, you shouldn't be there in the first place. You're not likely to help your cause if you can't maintain self control.
 
2013-08-26 12:12:16 PM  

umad: I am absolutey shocked, SHOCKED, I say, that fark liberals will only defend speech that they agree with and will only protect the weak who agree with them! I seriously just fell out of my chair!

/not really


I'm not shocked to see someone on FARK who can't read well.
 
2013-08-26 12:14:08 PM  

serial_crusher: The idea that the GOP's party platform contains a war on women is as ridiculous as the idea that this guy represents a liberal war on women.  Sure, Republicans go overboard with their goofy abortion restrictions, but that's not because you're a woman any more than this lady got hit because she was a woman.


You don't have to be motivated by "women=bad" to carry out a war on women with your policies anyway. I don't particularly like the term because of a general aversion to "war on X" names (I might blame Carlin for that a little), but it at least  sort of fits.

And the GOP's abortion restrictions are not  goofy, they are  actively and significantly harmful, and abortion restrictions aren't where their policies end either.
 
2013-08-26 12:17:11 PM  

bdub77: The 78-year-old woman, Donna Holman, said she was protesting abortion near a Planned Parenthood office on Wednesday morning, when Man Chun John Ma, an international graduate student at the University of Iowa, hit her in the back and then walked away without saying a word, according to The Blaze.

I'm pretty sure Man Chun John Ma is some sort of martial art involving donkey punching old people.


Everybody, Man Chun tonight.
 
2013-08-26 12:17:25 PM  
OK what he did was wrong, but if you are calling a blow to an unsuspecting 78 year old lady a 'punch' it had better at least have knocked her over.  It's assault and he should be charged, but it's not like he decked her or anything.
 
2013-08-26 12:18:54 PM  

cman: You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant". This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.


I think he's calling her repugnant because she's advocating putting a lot of women in bad situations. Which, tbh, I have to agree with (even if TFA's douchebag deserves to be shunned for hitting her). My grandma is, quite frankly, more than a bit repugnant when she talks about anything political. Doesn't mean she deserves to get hit. Just means even old people can be douchebags.
 
2013-08-26 12:19:27 PM  
Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.
 
2013-08-26 12:19:49 PM  

d23: NutWrench: d23: NutWrench: Could someone point out where in the Bible it says that abortion is a sin?
I mean, that IS the crux of the debate for anti-abortion protestors, right?

Here's this (and I get blown up at every time this is brought up).

The body spontaneously aborts 3/4 of all conceptions.

If you believe life starts at conception then God smites 3/4 of us before we are even born.

And it also makes every woman a serial killer!

and every woman that uses contraception a saint.


They are saints, in my book.  See also "women who take it in areas that cannot result in..."

The closest the bible comes to having much to say about abortion is giving a husband the choice in how to punish a man who should cause his wife to miscarriage.
 
2013-08-26 12:20:58 PM  

Egoy3k: OK what he did was wrong, but if you are calling a blow to an unsuspecting 78 year old lady a 'punch' it had better at least have knocked her over.  It's assault and he should be charged, but it's not like he decked her or anything.


Ma also later tells police that, "I did punch her...that was probably wrong."


That's good enough for me.
 
2013-08-26 12:21:06 PM  

reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.


This.
 
2013-08-26 12:22:28 PM  
This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.
 
2013-08-26 12:23:04 PM  

Carth: doubled99: This proves people for abortion are crazy and dangerous

You think punching one old person is more proof of that than murdering millions of innocent babies?


Murder, huh? Obviously premeditated, too. So, you're in favor of the death penalty for women who have abortions, I assume. Or life without parole, if you're one of those strict pro-lifers.

/God murders just as many "innocent babies" in the womb as doctors do, y'know. And yet, I never see anyone working to stop the holocaust of miscarriages.
 
2013-08-26 12:24:56 PM  
I'm sure her multiple arrests and refusal to undergoe court ordered psychiatric evaluation have nothing to do with this incident.
 
2013-08-26 12:25:59 PM  

serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?


Based on recent election results and polling data, I'd say it's not going very well for the GOP. But feel free to keep pretending these isolated incidents from left-leaning individuals completely justifies the systematic disenfranchisement of women from the right. I'm sure that'll work.
 
2013-08-26 12:26:43 PM  

NeoAnderthal: This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.


Not fair - they're just blowing hot air and having a Fark good time.  In reality I think most of them would have beaten the fark out of this Man Chun had they witnessed the event.
 
2013-08-26 12:27:43 PM  

NeoAnderthal: This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.


See my post earlier in the thread. lol

You guys are geniuses! It's amazing you haven't played the victims sooner. Oh wait...
 
2013-08-26 12:27:55 PM  

NathanAllen: I'm sure her multiple arrests and refusal to undergoe court ordered psychiatric evaluation have nothing to do with this incident.


So is indecent exposure working out as an excuse for you to rape?
 
2013-08-26 12:28:58 PM  
This international graduate student has committed a crime and should be deported. INS, however, will not consider someone who punched out an anti-abortion protester undesirable.
 
2013-08-26 12:29:30 PM  
Laughing my farking a-- off...  you said masterdebater!
 
2013-08-26 12:30:16 PM  
Punching a 78 year old woman in the back should be considered attempted murder since it could, in fact, kill her. Like, you know, if she face planted on concrete due to the punch.
 
2013-08-26 12:30:56 PM  

serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?


lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-08-26 12:32:11 PM  

Alphakronik: Probably the unpopular position here but here goes:

If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


And this.
 
2013-08-26 12:32:57 PM  

SpectroBoy: Punching a 78 year old woman in the back should be considered attempted murder since it could, in fact, kill her. Like, you know, if she face planted on concrete due to the punch.


Which could happen when you punch anybody anywhere.
 
2013-08-26 12:35:57 PM  

Phinn: Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.


They keep winning the popular vote.
 
2013-08-26 12:36:14 PM  

mr.Curmudgeon: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

Based on recent election results and polling data, I'd say it's not going very well for the GOP. But feel free to keep pretending these isolated incidents from left-leaning individuals completely justifies the systematic disenfranchisement of women from the right. I'm sure that'll work.


hopestillfloats.files.wordpress.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 12:36:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.

They keep winning the popular vote.


shhh... don't pop the bubble...
 
2013-08-26 12:36:55 PM  
A group abuses young women at their worst, weakest moment when they are seeking medical attention. Way to show your Christian compassion.  How did religion wander so far from it's original truth that God is love?  All this morality crap got heaped on top of something that was originally about the soul's liberation.
Now it's all about political power and preserving wealth and the status quo.
But don't punch old ladies, that's also not cool.
 
2013-08-26 12:38:21 PM  

stevenboof: SpectroBoy: Punching a 78 year old woman in the back should be considered attempted murder since it could, in fact, kill her. Like, you know, if she face planted on concrete due to the punch.

Which could happen when you punch anybody anywhere.


I guess it _could_, but I think punching a person who is nearly 80 years old is FAR more likely to kill them than a younger person. What am I missing?
 
2013-08-26 12:39:48 PM  
Hitting is a dumb-shiat response.  That's that.  But this couple seems the furthest from caring and Christian.  They stand out there and try to rile up women in their weakest moments.  It's disgusting.  You can tell they're just fishing for extreme behavior.  The man left his wife without checking to see if she was ok to chase this guy down...just so they could GIT 'EM.  They weren't looking for an apology or to teach a lesson...they just wanted to put that Chinaman in jail, 'cuz Murica.  The two of them are just as cowardly as the guy who threw the punch.  I say put all three of them in same jail cell for a couple days.
 
2013-08-26 12:41:28 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: IronOcelot: Talking about punching old ladies is the new ITG thing?

Yeah, what about it gramma? Don't test me, I've knocked out more octogenarians than cancer.


I'm not proud of this, but I laffed.
 
2013-08-26 12:42:23 PM  

MBooda: NathanAllen: I'm sure her multiple arrests and refusal to undergoe court ordered psychiatric evaluation have nothing to do with this incident.

So is indecent exposure working out as an excuse for you to rape?


False parallel is false.

In Georgia, use of "fighting words" is considered an assault, and can be used as a defense for the person committing simple assault or battery in response to the abusive language. Now, I certainly wouldn't advocate punching some old bag if she went on a spittle-flinging, racist rant at the top of her voice (which appears to be her M.O.) BUT....

076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2013-08-26 12:46:26 PM  
SordidEuphemism: I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

I've never met anyone in real life who's protested an abortion clinic, even those I know that are most vehemently pro-life.

I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.
 
2013-08-26 12:47:45 PM  

bdub77: I like how the link to the story says 87-year-old woman when it's actually 78.

For the record, sometimes the anti-abortion vitriol my mom spews out at me makes me want to punch her, and she's in her 60s. And she's my mom.


Because it's TOTAL dick move to punch an 87 year old woman but a 78 year old woman ain't a bid deal. .
 
2013-08-26 12:49:54 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Nabb1: He's 30, and punched an old lady - in the back, no less - without any indication she was threatening him or anything else.

We have no choice but to offer him a supervisory position with the Philadelphia Police Department.


I LOL'd. Thanks
 
2013-08-26 12:50:46 PM  

mesmer242: SordidEuphemism: I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

I've never met anyone in real life who's protested an abortion clinic, even those I know that are most vehemently pro-life.


It's not uncommon around here, unfortunately. It's good business for the churches, too. Free advertisement fills the pews, after all. (Cynical? Me? No!)

I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I'm fine with your viewpoint, so you're welcome to hang with me if I get the tarps back out. I'm of a mind that one's beliefs should not impact the bodies or legal actions of another. Feel what you want, but don't expect others to feel the same way.
 
2013-08-26 12:52:40 PM  

SordidEuphemism: I'm of a mind that one's beliefs should not impact the bodies or legal actions of another.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 12:53:29 PM  
Did you know that maintaining the thought about never hitting an old f*cking prohibitionist biatch... Is discrimination.

/Don't care what your age is or what your sex is or what your mental condition is, if you are an asshole and manipulating people, you will pay the price.

//But its still wrong for a cop to taser a 5 year old because stupid turd teacher got the student frustrated mad

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 12:53:31 PM  

bdub77: I like how the link to the story says 87-year-old woman when it's actually 78.

For the record, sometimes the anti-abortion vitriol my mom spews out at me makes me want to punch her, and she's in her 60s. And she's my mom.


dude knocked 9 years off her life
 
2013-08-26 12:55:00 PM  
Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.
 
2013-08-26 12:57:12 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.


Other than not punching her, anyway.
 
2013-08-26 12:58:57 PM  
mesmer242:  I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I think the majority of people who are pro choice believe something similar.  "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."
 
2013-08-26 12:59:45 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.


This.

It is sad when a guy who punches an old lady is acting more honorably than most of the people posting in this thread. I'm pro-choice and an atheist, and I am ashamed to be associated with most of the people in here who hold the same views. We are supposed to be better than this.
 
2013-08-26 12:59:52 PM  
Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice
 
2013-08-26 12:59:52 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.


But this is Fark and like a massive and unquenchable tampon, we want blood.
 
2013-08-26 01:02:16 PM  

JuggleGeek: "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."


Rare in the need for an abortion, not in the ability to access one.

I prefer: Safe, legal, and none of your goddamn business.
 
2013-08-26 01:03:36 PM  

Diogenes: Man Ma said knock you out!


farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-26 01:06:28 PM  

JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice


When children start dying, we'll give you a call.
 
2013-08-26 01:08:42 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz:  Don't test me, I've knocked out more octogenarians than cancer.


I laughed.

I'll be going now.
 
2013-08-26 01:09:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice

When children start dying, we'll give you a call.


You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on. They don't care that a fetus is incapable of pain sensation, or conscious awareness before the 20th week of gestation. They don't care that 96% of Abortions in the United States happen before the 14th week.

They don't care that the fact a heart is beating does not mean it's "alive" as we define a human child. Or that the fetal circulatory system does little to no work, at all.

Of course, in the Venn Diagram of "Pro-Life", these are the same people who were convinced that Terri Schiavo was alive-o, and that letting her die in accordance with her wishes was murder.
 
2013-08-26 01:10:46 PM  
Was the hero tag on vacation today or something. somebody buy this man a drink for his bravery!
 
2013-08-26 01:11:07 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.


He may be real soon. Certain violent offenses are right in the code of conduct of what will get you kicked out. And besides, do we really need more unhinged nuts on campus?
 
2013-08-26 01:11:22 PM  

Relatively Obscure: ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.

Other than not punching her, anyway.


Yeah, I meant to say that, but hit add comment too soon.
 
2013-08-26 01:11:27 PM  
I read that as Masturbator tells 78-year-old woman that he disagrees with her position on abortion, and was like huh? then was like Oh! well that make sense then.

Need more caffiene!
 
2013-08-26 01:11:54 PM  
 
2013-08-26 01:11:59 PM  
Just go around with a sign that says "Only Abort the Gay Babies!" and offend everybody.
 
2013-08-26 01:11:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: JuggleGeek: "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."

Rare in the need for an abortion, not in the ability to access one.

I prefer: Safe, legal, and none of your goddamn business.


If you don't have the ability to access one, then "safe and legal" go out the window, so your argument is built on top of a strawman.

/since you aren't bright enough to talk without cussing, I'll amend that to "on top of a f*cking strawman".
 
2013-08-26 01:12:20 PM  

SordidEuphemism: mesmer242: SordidEuphemism: I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

I've never met anyone in real life who's protested an abortion clinic, even those I know that are most vehemently pro-life.

It's not uncommon around here, unfortunately. It's good business for the churches, too. Free advertisement fills the pews, after all. (Cynical? Me? No!)


I've belonged to or attended churches in three states, and have been to churches in three others... all of various denominations in different parts of the country, and I've never been to one that used anti-abortion rhetoric as advertising, or even mentioned it in church at all. Only one of them had what I would consider a strongly obvious political slant at all and still - abortion was never mentioned. So I really can't figure out what kinds of churches support the protesters because I've never seen one. By far, the vast majority of churches I've seen spend their time either on local homeless/food bank type stuff or international missionaries.

I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I'm fine with your viewpoint, so you're welcome to hang with me if I get the tarps back out. I'm of a mind that one's beliefs should not impact the bodies or legal actions of another. Feel what you want, but don't expect others to feel the same way.


Yeah, you and I are in the same boat - I'm a libertarian-leaning liberal. I figure that it's most important that laws don't restrict anyone's religious beliefs - which is completely different from enforcing those beliefs, or ignoring them. I have actually had people tell me, angrily so, that I'm not "pro-choice" enough though. Pretty annoying.
 
2013-08-26 01:12:22 PM  
sheep snorter:

www.pbs.org
Militant Athiest (Adjusted for Accuracy)
 
2013-08-26 01:12:34 PM  

NeoAnderthal: This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.


Make sure you refer to this as well, eh?

\just to be fair, of course
 
2013-08-26 01:13:07 PM  

caleb4god: Was the hero tag on vacation today or something. somebody buy this man a drink for his bravery!


He's just given credence to every kook statement that Fox News has promoted about pro-choice individuals. This will be masturbatory confirmation fodder on every right-wing circle jerk for the next 10 years, I promise you that.

While it's awesome that someone punched an insufferable coont in the face (and yes, anti-abortion activists are vile, insufferable coonts for the way they harass people.), it's not helping by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2013-08-26 01:13:20 PM  
It's amazing how my attitude changed when I found out the woman was the anti abortion protester and not the guy. It went from 'typical right wing dick' to 'hey what a great idea'!

Those people love dying children, high infant mortality, children born into a living horror and the death penalty. Who deserves a punch in the back of the head more than them?
 
2013-08-26 01:13:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: The My Little Pony Killer: JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice

When children start dying, we'll give you a call.

You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on. They don't care that a fetus is incapable of pain sensation, or conscious awareness before the 20th week of gestation. They don't care that 96% of Abortions in the United States happen before the 14th week.

They don't care that the fact a heart is beating does not mean it's "alive" as we define a human child. Or that the fetal circulatory system does little to no work, at all.

Of course, in the Venn Diagram of "Pro-Life", these are the same people who were convinced that Terri Schiavo was alive-o, and that letting her die in accordance with her wishes was murder.


I don't care what they believe, the instant they start using their beliefs to control what I do with my own body is where I start agreeing with dillholes who punch little old biddies.
 
2013-08-26 01:14:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on.


Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:08 PM  

mbillips: Carth: doubled99: This proves people for abortion are crazy and dangerous

You think punching one old person is more proof of that than murdering millions of innocent babies?

Murder, huh? Obviously premeditated, too. So, you're in favor of the death penalty for women who have abortions, I assume. Or life without parole, if you're one of those strict pro-lifers.

/God murders just as many "innocent babies" in the womb as doctors do, y'know. And yet, I never see anyone working to stop the holocaust of miscarriages.


It must be hard for you to exist on the internet with such a broken sarcasm detector. If you start a crowd funding campaign to buy a new one I'll pitch in a few bucks because that is no way to go through life.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:21 PM  
Source: The Blaze

All you need to know.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:28 PM  

JuggleGeek: mesmer242:  I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoin

JuggleGeek: mesmer242:  I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I think the majority of people who are pro choice believe something similar.  "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."


That got taken out of the democratic platform a few years ago, IIRC. The CDC says there were almost 800,000 abortions in 2009 so calling it rare would be incorrect, I think. We really need to do a better job of preventing unwanted pregnancies as a society.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:43 PM  

HeadLever: hardinparamedic: You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on.

Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.


Strawman. The item being discussed has the potential to become a unique human life. Remember those 3/4 of pregnancies that wind up as spontaneous abortions?
 
2013-08-26 01:17:44 PM  

JuggleGeek: If you don't have the ability to access one, then "safe and legal" go out the window, so your argument is built on top of a strawman.

/since you aren't bright enough to talk without cussing, I'll amend that to "on top of a f*cking strawman".


I think some wires got crossed here. I wasn't building a strawman.

What the slogan "safe, legal, and rare" does is open the door for more and more 'legal' restrictions on abortions. Waiting periods, permission slips, vaginal ultrasounds, the forced consumption of misinformation. The conservatives that pass these laws can then say, "Well it's still safe and legal, we're just making it more rare!" And they'd be right. That's why it's important to define what is meant by "rare". Rare in the need for an abortion, not in the ability of a woman to access one.

And when I posted "none of your goddamn business" that also includes me - none of my goddamn business. It wasn't a slight towards you. I'm guessing we have similar beliefs with regards to abortion.
 
2013-08-26 01:18:17 PM  

HeadLever: Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.


l.popoffka.ru

A dividing cell is not a "human life". It's a human cell. A fetus, before the 20th week of gestation, is neither self-aware nor does it feel pain. In some cases, it will NEVER do this. If this is what you actually believe, you need to go around charging oncologists with genocide every time they kill a cancerous tumor. Remember, those are human cells.

We define "human life" by the ability to be self-aware and engage in your environment. This is why it's perfectly acceptable in our society, outside of idiots who want to involve themselves in medical care of others, to allow someone to be withdrawn from life support when all other measures are futile. Or for someone to stop tube feeds when there is NO hope of recovery and a good quality of life.
 
2013-08-26 01:19:48 PM  

cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him
4. Was a scumbag and danger to society

If there is anyone who should be shunned applauded by society it is this assbag

 
2013-08-26 01:21:24 PM  
If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.
 
2013-08-26 01:22:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Strawman. The item being discussed has the potential to become a unique human life. Remember those 3/4 of pregnancies that wind up as spontaneous abortions?


Per the argument, that is part of the chance/choice dichotomy.  Just because x% of them end up not being full term pregancies by chance, does not necessarily give us the right to end them by choice.

100% of births end in death.  That does not necessarily give us the power to end them when we want.
 
2013-08-26 01:22:18 PM  
Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.
 
2013-08-26 01:23:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: A dividing cell is not a "human life". It's a human cell.


As I said, it is the beginning to a unique human life.  Just because some of them do not reach term (either by choice or chance) does not disqulifiy that statement.
 
2013-08-26 01:25:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: caleb4god: Was the hero tag on vacation today or something. somebody buy this man a drink for his bravery!

He's just given credence to every kook statement that Fox News has promoted about pro-choice individuals. This will be masturbatory confirmation fodder on every right-wing circle jerk for the next 10 years, I promise you that.

While it's awesome that someone punched an insufferable coont in the face (and yes, anti-abortion activists are vile, insufferable coonts for the way they harass people.), it's not helping by any stretch of the imagination.


Yeah, but it was funny. And isnt that what really matters?
 
2013-08-26 01:26:32 PM  

doubled99: If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.


I would add gambling and doctor-assisted suicide to the list.
 
2013-08-26 01:30:51 PM  

JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.


This is because children are developed human beings capable of complex thoughts.
 
2013-08-26 01:31:52 PM  
Abortion is Murder.
 
2013-08-26 01:32:11 PM  

doubled99: If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.


Decriminalize drugs, legalize prostituion, tax and regulate both. The government has no business legislating morality; the drug problem should be treated as health problem rather than as a criminal one, and legalizing and regulating prostituion is the best way to protect sex workers and their clients from violence and disease.

/Not even kidding
 
2013-08-26 01:34:17 PM  

HeadLever: As I said, it is the beginning to a unique human life.  Just because some of them do not reach term (either by choice or chance) does not disqulifiy that statement.


So is ovulation and spermatogenesis, if you want to argue from this point.

So, every man and woman on earth is guilty of mass murder.
 
2013-08-26 01:37:09 PM  

JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.


Who has been murdering children wholesale and not batting an eye? Outside of countries with HUGE amounts of unrest, Civil Wars, and ethnic cleansing.

/American Pro-Lifers: fark the ones that are actually alive, we're trying to make a difference over here!
//I would love to see these idiots protesting a mass grave in Serbia
///I'm sure they'd be begging for a shove in the back by the end of the day
 
2013-08-26 01:38:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: HeadLever: As I said, it is the beginning to a unique human life.  Just because some of them do not reach term (either by choice or chance) does not disqulifiy that statement.

So is ovulation and spermatogenesis, if you want to argue from this point.

So, every man and woman on earth is guilty of mass murder.


Wait, I thought Jesus did what he did so we wouldn't have to feel bad about this kind of shiat until the last second.
 
2013-08-26 01:38:52 PM  

hardinparamedic: So is ovulation and spermatogenesis, if you want to argue from this point.

So, every man and woman on earth is guilty of mass murder.


Not necessarily as these two halves need to be combined in order to get the 'unique human life' thing going.  By themselves , they are not a unique human life.

The real argument of the issue is when do you feel you need to apply protections on this 'unique human life'.  Some say at ony at birth and others say before.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 01:42:02 PM  

HeadLever: hardinparamedic: You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on.

Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.


Wrong.  You're accepting your own definition of when life starts as being handed down by God instead of being an item up for human debate.  Sorry... I don't automatically accept the premises you do.
 
2013-08-26 01:42:14 PM  
Not only should he have punched her and knocked her down, he should have kicked her while she was down too! That's what she was doing, kicking those women while they were down. No woman I know goes skipping happily into an abortion clinic, and I've known a few. It's the toughest decision of their lives, and by the time they get to the clinic the choice is made. These people do nothing but make a horrible day worse. Some pro-life people would say that's great, maybe then these women will think twice before having unprotected sex, but that's the thing...there tends to be two types of women. The first type who genuinely has no other option, and will be wracked with guilt for life (these protesters maybe don't know that God will forgive them if they ask him too?). The second type (like my friends daughter) who have had like 7-8 abortions, and could give a rats ass about signs. Either way, the protesters are not helping.
 
2013-08-26 01:48:59 PM  

HeadLever: Not necessarily as these two halves need to be combined in order to get the 'unique human life' thing going.  By themselves , they are not a unique human life.


No sell. They're the "beginning of a human life", remember? And yeah, they are unique, as each contains 23 chromosomal combinations that are completely different than another.

HeadLever: The real argument of the issue is when do you feel you need to apply protections on this 'unique human life'.  Some say at ony at birth and others say before.


The "some" that you refer to take a 3500 year old book as the canon dogma of our Universe. There are very few people who completely oppose abortion on grounds that are not religious, either overtly or underlying.  And stop trying to confuse the issue with "before birth and after birth". It's more complex than the disingenuous statement you tried to boil it down to pretends.
 
2013-08-26 01:49:11 PM  

d23: You're accepting your own definition of when life starts as being handed down by God instead of being an item up for human debate.


Not necessarily as 'life starting' and the 'beginning of a unique human life' are two different things.  The issue of when does life start is a very complex and hotly debated topic in where there is no clear answer.  The 'beginning of a unique human life' is pretty clear cut.

Not saying that this has to be the metric in determining the chance/choice seperation, but it does need to be understood when discussing this issue.
 
2013-08-26 01:50:42 PM  

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


So you're against the death penalty as well?
 
2013-08-26 01:53:54 PM  
I'd love to stay in this thread longer but I've got to make like a fetus and head out
 
2013-08-26 01:54:08 PM  

INeedAName: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

So you're against the death penalty as well?


Death penalty? I think he's against omelets.
 
2013-08-26 01:57:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: No sell. They're the "beginning of a human life", remember?

And yeah, they are unique, as each contains 23 chromosomal combinations that are completely different than another.
 
No, it is 1/2 the possible beginning of an unique human life.  You are trying to creat a strawman agument.

The "some" that you refer to take a 3500 year old book as the canon dogma of our Universe.

There are plenty of secular pro-life organizations out there.  You can do a quick internet search if you want. Quit trying to stereotype the discussion into talking points.
 
2013-08-26 01:58:11 PM  

mooseyfate: JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.

Who has been murdering children wholesale and not batting an eye?


www.toomanyaborted.com

 
2013-08-26 02:02:35 PM  
letrole: Abortion is Murder.

INeedAName: So you're against the death penalty as well?

If by death penalty, you mean the unilateral decision to end an innocent human life based upon pragmatic rationalisations, then yes.
 
2013-08-26 02:04:08 PM  
Typical cowardly liberal.  Doesn't even have the guts to punch an old lady from the front.  He had to sucker punch her from behind.  But I've come to expect this from the party of "tolerance" and "diversity".

As for the lady and her sign, she believes that abortion is murder.  If you believed the same way and were not doing something to stop the slaughter of millions of innocents, well, you just don't have the conviction to do anything but eat that tofu burger in front of you.

And standing there with a sign is of course protected freedom of speech....
 
2013-08-26 02:04:33 PM  
Ah, I see the anti-abortionists have shown up to derail any possibility of rational discussion.
Carry on.
 
2013-08-26 02:04:43 PM  

JDAT: mooseyfate: JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.

Who has been murdering children wholesale and not batting an eye?


[610x273 from http://www.toomanyaborted.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/half_bubble_p lannedParenthood.png image 610x273]


Holding the hand of a fetus in utero will more than likely kill it.
 
2013-08-26 02:05:25 PM  

JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice


Agreed. And no child has ever died from abortion.
 
2013-08-26 02:06:38 PM  
thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-26 02:07:05 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Phinn: Abortion is great.  It depopulates the Democrats' core constituency.

They keep winning the popular vote.



That's why abortion needs to be fully subsidized, and free-to-the-customer, no-appointment-necessary service centers need to be opened wherever Powerball tickets are sold.
 
2013-08-26 02:08:09 PM  

HeadLever: No, it is 1/2 the possible beginning of an unique human life.  You are trying to creat a strawman agument.


Oh, for the love of God, shut up with this retort.
 
2013-08-26 02:08:43 PM  
letrole:

Isn't it time to retire this alt and try a new one?  You're really boring.
Oh, look, it's bevets.
Yawn.
 
2013-08-26 02:10:57 PM  

HeadLever: hardinparamedic: No sell. They're the "beginning of a human life", remember? And yeah, they are unique, as each contains 23 chromosomal combinations that are completely different than another.
 
No, it is 1/2 the possible beginning of an unique human life.  You are trying to creat a strawman agument.

The "some" that you refer to take a 3500 year old book as the canon dogma of our Universe.

There are plenty of secular pro-life organizations out there.  You can do a quick internet search if you want. Quit trying to stereotype the discussion into talking points.


Dude, no. You've been on fark long enough to know how this works, you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you.

Now, do you have a citation for this? Or did you pull that out of your ass without looking into it first and are trying to get us to do the research for you?
 
gja
2013-08-26 02:11:35 PM  

Carth: gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.

So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?


Never said that. I merely established the tipping point for myself. Try to follow along.
 
2013-08-26 02:12:18 PM  
ReverendJasen: letrole: Isn't it time to retire this alt and try a new one? You're really boring.
Oh, look, it's bevets.


My surname is Le Trôle.

I reckon the problem here is that I'm simply expressing opinions that cannot be disputed without ad hominem and shout-downs and plain old histrionics. That does not make those opinions right. But, it certainly shows that they may not be wrong.
 
2013-08-26 02:14:00 PM  

hardinparamedic: HeadLever: No, it is 1/2 the possible beginning of an unique human life.  You are trying to creat a strawman agument.

Oh, for the love of God, shut up with this retort.


So I take it you have the inability to discern the difference between ovulation and spermatogenesis and the 'begining of a unique human life'.  If so, then I guess you were really not cut out for understading the other side of this issue.

/just trying to help you understand
//looks like you really don't want to
 
gja
2013-08-26 02:15:57 PM  

rga184: gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.

I think any woman who struck me with intent to harm me confident that her gender would protect her from getting struck back would test my self control.

But I think I could fark up her life worse by pressing charges for assault, so a cooler head would prevail and after her arrest, I would notify her employer of her behavior and her arrest.


Of course I would go the civil route first, but as I specified, if I felt it was clear the intent was to do DEADLY harm that changes the rules a bit.
It's tough to bring suit and level charges from the grave, and I am in no rush to find out the answer to the celestial questions of the universe.
 
2013-08-26 02:16:14 PM  

glmorrs1: Now, do you have a citation for this?


First result in a search

Also see pro-life feminist if you want more
 
2013-08-26 02:19:09 PM  

HeadLever: So I take it you have the inability to discern the difference between ovulation and spermatogenesis and the 'begining of a unique human life'.  If so, then I guess you were really not cut out for understading the other side of this issue.

/just trying to help you understand
//looks like you really don't want to


No. You're being a pedantic ass who, every time his argument is pointed out to be silly, resorts to the "Omg fallacy!" route rather than explain why that particular retort is not a good example.

You're not going to "help me understand" anything, and you're doing a piss-poor job of anything resembling promoting your beliefs on abortion. All you're doing is trying to defend the belief that "human life", not JUST the biological life processes, begin upon fertilization of egg, and you're arguing it from the ethical point of a potential human life.

Again. Why are you not out there, if this is true, campaigning for IVF clinic administrators to be charged with mass murder when they destroy fertilized cells after five years in the deep freeze?
 
2013-08-26 02:20:19 PM  

letrole: My surname is Le Trôle.

I reckon the problem here is that I'm simply expressing opinions that cannot be disputed without ad hominem


More copy-paste, Bevets?  What, you think there are some virgins here that don't know your surname joke already?
Time for a new alt name, your shtick is old and tired, trole-bot.  Anyone who's seen more than one thread with you already knows everything you will ever say.
 
2013-08-26 02:21:20 PM  

HeadLever: glmorrs1: Now, do you have a citation for this?

First result in a search

Also see pro-life feminist if you want more


See their child support page. SecularProLife is a Men's Rights Front. And they also spend a suspicious amount of time at religious events.
 
2013-08-26 02:29:27 PM  
letrole: My surname is Le Trôle.

ReverendJasen: More copy-paste, Bevets? What, you think there are some virgins here that don't know your surname joke already?


I find your petulence to be endearing, and your simplicity to be quite engaging.
 
2013-08-26 02:32:09 PM  
I don't understand why people get upset about the picture of an aborted fetus on protesters' signs. It is the end result of an abortion. If you are pro-choice, then you should be able to accept that reality and live with it. A woman may have a right to an abortion, but there is no right to be free from the knowledge of what an abortion entails and what an aborted fetus looks like.

/reluctantly pro-choice because prohibition doesn't work
//and because I don't have the right to tell you what to do
///can we agree that reducing the number of abortions would be a good thing?
 
2013-08-26 02:33:15 PM  
Who cares whether she is pro-choice or pro-abortion?!
SHE IS 78!! IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT!!
 
2013-08-26 02:35:48 PM  
Is it just me, or did anyone notice that there was nothing about where this took place?  I assume Iowa, since the puncher was a U. of Iowa student.  Another proud moment for the Foorth Estaite.
 
2013-08-26 02:36:09 PM  

letrole: Abortion is Murder a choice.

/DERP

 
2013-08-26 02:36:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: route rather than explain why that particular retort is not a good example.


My original statement is pretty much a basic tenant of the pro-life side.  You are trying to make it something that it is not (sperm or egg = beginning of a unique human life) indicates you basic lack of seeing this agrument for what it is.  If you want to argue in good faith, then please continue.  Otherwise, we can leave it at that.

All you're doing is trying to defend the belief that "human life", not JUST the biological life processes, begin upon fertilization of egg, and you're arguing it from the ethical point of a potential human life.

Somewhat yes.  However, I have already discussed the dichotomy of this earlier.  The beginning of a human life is a topic that is not well defined and is very hotly debated.  It is separate from the beginning of a unique human life. However, one must come before the other.

Again. Why are you not out there, if this is true, campaigning for IVF clinic administrators to be charged with mass murder when they destroy fertilized cells after five years in the deep freeze?

I have not indicated where I stand on this issue.  Any pretense of where I stand on this topic is entirely an assumption by you.  Just understanding both sides of the issue does not indicate where my line in the sand is located.
 
2013-08-26 02:38:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: See their child support page

SecularProLife is a Men's Rights Front.

Which has nothing to do with my point about it being secular.
 
2013-08-26 02:42:18 PM  
I'm late to this thread, so don't want to read it all.

For anyone arguing that abortion goes against God's wishes I would just like to say that God is Pro-Choice...
 
2013-08-26 02:54:09 PM  

cman: reillan: cman: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

To elaborate...

I don't give two shiats about why he did it. All I care about is the fact that he did do it. No matter what the circumstances are YOU DONT PUNCH A FRIGGIN SENIOR CITIZEN!

You're right, of course, but I reserve the right to experience Schadenfreude when it happens to someone as repugnant as this woman.

Repugnant? Do you know her personally?


Nope, but protesting to limit women's rights in this matter is enough to know to tell me I think she is repugnant.

She disagrees with you on abortion and she is labeled "repugnant".

Yes.

 This hyperpartisan bullshiat is bullshiat and it needs to stop.


This isn't partisan, it is basic ideology I disagree with. I don't feel she has the right to force others to make very personal decisions regarding their medical care in the case of pregnancy. She thinks she does. That makes her repugnant in my opinion.
 
2013-08-26 02:54:18 PM  

HeadLever: Which has nothing to do with my point about it being secular.


It has everything to do with the fact it has a hidden agenda. And the fact that it spends a lot of time in religious activities leads me to believe it is an example of "The lady doth protest too much".
 
2013-08-26 02:54:23 PM  
One of my issues is that the Pro-Life movement has completely ruined the term. I'm pro-life, in that I want more people to live than to die. I don't want abortions to happen, but if it's better in the long run, who am I to judge?
 
2013-08-26 02:55:21 PM  

EvilEgg: Good lord, you farking idiot.  FOX isn't going to let this one go.  The only thing I will be able to say is some people are idiots.  Then the anti-choice people will feel as though they won the argument.


So someone you agree with did a bad thing and some people you don't agree with (and don't like) reported it. There is nothing you can say about this without coming out looking like a twat. Know when to keep mouth closed.
 
2013-08-26 02:55:48 PM  
How many picketing senior citizens can you punch for it to equal shooting a doctor in the head in church?
What's the exchange rate?
 
2013-08-26 02:56:04 PM  

HeadLever: The beginning of a human life is a topic that is not well defined and is very hotly debated.  It is separate from the beginning of a unique human life. However, one must come before the other.


Medical and Biological Ethicists have done both for quite some time. The only realm in which it is "very hotly debated" is the realm created by anti-abortion groups and their agenda.
 
2013-08-26 02:56:13 PM  

HeadLever: The beginning of a human life is a topic that is not well defined and is very hotly debated. It is separate from the beginning of a unique human life. However, one must come before the other.


Let me clarifiy this point somewhat just to stave off any digression into semantics.  The beginning of human life is the topic which is not really well known and is hotly debated.  Is it at fertilization?  Is it at embedment?  Is it when the fetus can be viable outside the mother?  is it when it starts to respond to external stimulii?  Is it when natural childbirth takes place.  These are all real questions that cannot be dismissed in an offhand manner.

The beginning of a unique human life is basically fertilization and the biological construction of an embryo (the two halves have come together) and is not necessarily the beginning of human life.
 
2013-08-26 03:02:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: HeadLever: The real argument of the issue is when do you feel you need to apply protections on this 'unique human life'.  Some say at ony at birth and others say before.

The "some" that you refer to take a 3500 year old book as the canon dogma of our Universe.


Actually that 3500 year old book puts more value on a baby that has taken a breath than anything in the womb. The OT gives many example of this. Hell, Adam wasn't a man (just a lump of clay) until the "breath of life" was breathed into him.

Jewish culture seems to differentiate between abortion and murder. To cause a miscarriage in another requires a monetary payment, making it clear it isn't a capital offense.

Modern fundies have equated abortion to murder even though there is no basis in their religion to do so.
 
2013-08-26 03:06:20 PM  

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


Statement is Unsupported And Unnecessarily Capitalized.
 
2013-08-26 03:08:27 PM  

gnosis301: JDAT: mooseyfate: JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.

Who has been murdering children wholesale and not batting an eye?


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Holding the hand of a fetus in utero will more than likely kill it.


Plus, most pregnant women seem to freak out a lot when you try it...

hardinparamedic: The "some" that you refer to take a 3500 year old book as the canon dogma of our Universe.


And, they don't seem to do a very good job of even reading/understand it... Because, it's pretty clear that not only are unborn fetuses not people, but even newborns under a month old don't count (presumably due to lots of instances of newborn death being fairly common back then)...

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16


Also, killing an unborn child wasn't considered murder, but just some simple assault you took care of by paying off the husband, as long as it didn't result in the death of the woman too...

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23


For a group that claims to follow that ancient holy book, they sure don't seem to do a very good job of it...
 
2013-08-26 03:11:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: Medical and Biological Ethicists have done both for quite some time. The only realm in which it is "very hotly debated" is the realm created by anti-abortion groups and their agenda.


Show me the consensus of said determination.
 
2013-08-26 03:17:52 PM  

HeadLever: The beginning of a unique human life is basically fertilization and the biological construction of an embryo (the two halves have come together) and is not necessarily the beginning of human life.


I...uh...huh??

I think you're using terms in a very confusing and nonsensical manner... If you contend something is the "beginning of a unique human life", then it also must logically be the "beginning of a human life"... I mean, all you've done is taken the word "unique" out... If the former thing is a "unique" example of X, then it also must logically be an example of X (with unspecified uniqueness)...

I really can't fathom where you're trying to go with this bizarre line of argument...
 
2013-08-26 03:19:53 PM  
Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person. There is nothing wrong with that. People need to get it through their heads that it is a fact of life and should be done in a safe (for the mother) and clean environment. I don't get the rhetoric about "my body" or "it's just a bug in my uterus, not a person". Hell no, s/he hasn't spoken a word or gone to law school, whatever. But you killed. And that's all well and good. Many, perhaps a majority, of cases it's in the best interest of the parents involved. Men should have a right to force the abortion too (kidding) or at the very least be exonerated from a life of child support if they declare it at the time of conception. Hay, it's your body, you want that kid- have it.

It's not murder, it's a choice. Some cases for it are better than others, but it's a choice.

/really liked the comment about 100% of conceptions end in death
 
2013-08-26 03:23:29 PM  

RobSeace: I think you're using terms in a very confusing and nonsensical manner...


The point on where I am trying do differentiate is the biological creation vs. where the legal protections that cover human life are enacted.   These are not necessarily the same thing.  Right now there is a substantial gap between the two.
 
2013-08-26 03:26:47 PM  

RobSeace: HeadLever: The beginning of a unique human life is basically fertilization and the biological construction of an embryo (the two halves have come together) and is not necessarily the beginning of human life.

I...uh...huh??

I think you're using terms in a very confusing and nonsensical manner... If you contend something is the "beginning of a unique human life", then it also must logically be the "beginning of a human life"...


Not at all. The beginning of human life happened a LONG time ago. We are all just spawns of that human life, we aren't the beginning of human life, we are the continuation of it.
 
2013-08-26 03:27:13 PM  

SurfaceTension: You know, I'm pro-choice and I could actually get behind a rational movement that tries to convince women to choose different alternatives than abortion. But anti-abortion folks aren't actually concerned about stopping abortions so much as they are about punishing women for having sex. It's sad, really.

Do all pro-death people just assert personal opinion as fact, or just you?
 
2013-08-26 03:28:17 PM  

OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.


That depends on how you define the word person.
 
2013-08-26 03:32:24 PM  

OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person . . . .

It's not murder,

Many folk will disagree with you there.
 
2013-08-26 03:32:55 PM  

Egoy3k: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.

That depends on how you define the word person.


that depends on how you define the word fetus...
 
2013-08-26 03:38:46 PM  

HeadLever: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person . . . . It's not murder,

Many folk will disagree with you there.


Those folks need to read a farking dictionary.  Until abortion is outlawed, it cannot definitionally be murder.  (Same goes for idiots who call Capital Punishment murder)
 
2013-08-26 03:38:51 PM  

HeadLever: The point on where I am trying do differentiate is the biological creation vs. where the legal protections that cover human life are enacted. These are not necessarily the same thing. Right now there is a substantial gap between the two.


Yes, but the terms you've chosen to use for each aren't exactly the clearest... For the "legal protections that cover human life" one, what's wrong with the traditional "personhood"? I think most rational people will agree that fetuses are early stage homo sapiens lifeforms; where they disagree is when that lifeform becomes a "person" with rights...

To me, one definite requirement (probably not the only one) is the capacity for consciousness... And, in human fetuses, consciousness simply is impossible until sometime in the third trimester because the brain regions necessary simply aren't formed yet... So, prior to that, they can't be "people", as far as I'm concerned, and therefore have no rights...
 
2013-08-26 03:44:44 PM  

Daffydil: Egoy3k: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.

That depends on how you define the word person.

that depends on how you define the word fetus...


The depends on how you define the word define.
 
2013-08-26 03:46:07 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: SurfaceTension: You know, I'm pro-choice and I could actually get behind a rational movement that tries to convince women to choose different alternatives than abortion. But anti-abortion folks aren't actually concerned about stopping abortions so much as they are about punishing women for having sex. It's sad, really.

Do all pro-death people just assert personal opinion as fact, or just you?



I don't know any pro-death people, but it is a widely held, and well-supported opinion amongst the pro-choice crowd.
 
2013-08-26 03:47:24 PM  

lilplatinum: Those folks need to read a farking dictionary. Until abortion is outlawed, it cannot definitionally be murder.


"killing another person" without due process and/or legal justifiction is most often the legal prerequisite for murder.  Those that disagree with him would likely argue that being a fetus is not legal justification.
 
2013-08-26 03:47:55 PM  

Egoy3k: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.

That depends on how you define the word person.


I kinda went into that, but if someone conceives, it's a done deal. I get that there is no way for the little "bug" to feel anything early on or the thing hasn't become conscious, blah blah blah. The choice is the mother's to decide when or if she wants to take a "bug" to term. If she doesn't want to, shiat or scrape or suck, whatever, the damn thing out. We can't judge a woman because she's just not willing to go through with it for any reason (who is the father, I have to write my thesis, he's an ugly fat guy that didn't bring a condom, etc). It is what it is. I understand that because she never held that particular person in her arms that there is no connection. And that's fine too. It's her body and her choice.

One of these FARKers is going to show up as soon as he gets off the french fry station and repeat his opinion that the fetus becomes a person only when the mother decides to go full term. He gets off on these threads. I just stated my opinion, you have yours, and I am not going to judge you for that.
 
2013-08-26 03:48:21 PM  

Daffydil: Egoy3k: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.

That depends on how you define the word person.

that depends on how you define the word fetus...



Before birth, and around 9 to 12 weeks of gestation.
 
2013-08-26 03:50:26 PM  

HeadLever: lilplatinum: Those folks need to read a farking dictionary. Until abortion is outlawed, it cannot definitionally be murder.

"killing another person" without due process and/or legal justifiction is most often the legal prerequisite for murder.  Those that disagree with him would likely argue that being a fetus is not legal justification.



Actually, the most important pre-requisite for murder, is that the killing be unlawful.
 
2013-08-26 03:53:13 PM  

HeadLever: "killing another person" without due process and/or legal justifiction is most often the legal prerequisite for murder.  Those that disagree with him would likely argue that being a fetus is not legal justification.


Murder is defined as "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another", key is the portion about "unlawful".  Definitionally, even if you do think a fetus is a human being, it cannot be murder unless it is against the law.   Legal definitions are even more strict and obviously not applicable to abortion.
 
2013-08-26 03:53:38 PM  

Daffydil: that depends on how you define the word fetus...


Also the definition of "is."

/ lololol, Clinton
 
2013-08-26 03:54:16 PM  

Egoy3k: Daffydil: Egoy3k: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.

That depends on how you define the word person.

that depends on how you define the word fetus...

The depends on how you define the word define.


It also depends on how you define the word word.
 
2013-08-26 03:55:16 PM  

Phinn: Egoy3k: Daffydil: Egoy3k: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.

That depends on how you define the word person.

that depends on how you define the word fetus...

The depends on how you define the word define.

It also depends on how you define the word word.



Bird is the word.
 
gja
2013-08-26 03:56:00 PM  

gnosis301: Daffydil: that depends on how you define the word fetus...

Also the definition of "is."

/ lololol, Clinton


"Miss me yet?"
crayfisher.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-26 04:04:45 PM  

HeadLever: OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person . . . . It's not murder,

Many folk will disagree with you there.


Unless the laws change, they would be wrong.

noun1.the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
 
2013-08-26 04:07:11 PM  

give me doughnuts: Actually, the most important pre-requisite for murder, is that the killing be unlawful.


On the surface, yes. However, the killing of people and its relation to murder is much more than a simple law.  You can find it shrined in the founding of this country and mentioned as an unalienable right section of the DoI.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If you accept the context that a fetus is a person (per the comment I was responding to) and this is the same as the 'men' indicated above, then you have the premis of abortion being against this unalienable right mentioned in the Declaration of Independence in additon to the Bill of Rights.
 
2013-08-26 04:07:32 PM  
Ma said he hit Donna because "found the idea of being anti-abortion strange."

Which actually explains his actions.  In many cultures having an opinion others feel is "strange" is an acceptable reason for committing violence against them.
 
2013-08-26 04:08:22 PM  

jst3p: Unless the laws change, they would be wrong.


Nope, you forgot Jesus' law, imprinted on the DNA and rubber souls of foeti by the archangel Gabriel the very instant of conception.
 
2013-08-26 04:10:40 PM  

gja: Carth: gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.

So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?

Never said that. I merely established the tipping point for myself. Try to follow along.


Unless you mean "Yes it is acceptable for other people to resort to hitting a women to stop a greater evil, but i would never do it" yes you did (which is possible). Your sentence limited to you only one instance when you would strike a women. Did you mean something else? Or did the definition of "only" change like literally did?
 
2013-08-26 04:17:09 PM  

HeadLever: give me doughnuts: Actually, the most important pre-requisite for murder, is that the killing be unlawful.

On the surface, yes. However, the killing of people and its relation to murder is much more than a simple law.  You can find it shrined in the founding of this country and mentioned as an unalienable right section of the DoI.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If you accept the context that a fetus is a person (per the comment I was responding to) and this is the same as the 'men' indicated above, then you have the premis of abortion being against this unalienable right mentioned in the Declaration of Independence in additon to the Bill of Rights.


You're absolutely correct.  The problem you have is proving that a fetus is 'alive' or 'a person' or 'conscious'.  That's not an exact science, but it's been fairly proven that around 14 weeks is when fetuses start to show definitive features of a living person.

Once again, you can believe whatever you want according to the Bible, but laws in this country are not based on the Bible.  And please don't start the whole 'DoI and Bill of Rights had it right' dumbass argument, because then your argument starts agreeing with women being property and black people being 3/5 of a person.

The bible is a good starting point, much like the DoI was a good starting point.  It is not the end result, it is 'in process'... perpetually.
 
2013-08-26 04:22:54 PM  

quiotu: You're absolutely correct. The problem you have is proving that a fetus is 'alive' or 'a person' or 'conscious'.


I agree.  However, the context of the argument that I was responding to has already made the leap from "fetus" to "person".

OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.
 
2013-08-26 04:24:34 PM  

doubled99: If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.


Oooh, went the wrong way on that one.  Of course those should both be legal.
 
2013-08-26 04:24:58 PM  

HeadLever: give me doughnuts: Actually, the most important pre-requisite for murder, is that the killing be unlawful.

On the surface, yes. However, the killing of people and its relation to murder is much more than a simple law.  You can find it shrined in the founding of this country and mentioned as an unalienable right section of the DoI.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If you accept the context that a fetus is a person (per the comment I was responding to) and this is the same as the 'men' indicated above, then you have the premis of abortion being against this unalienable right mentioned in the Declaration of Independence in additon to the Bill of Rights.



The Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing in any court.
As for the Bill of Rights (5th Amendment), the "due process of law" includes legislation to create those laws as well as the trials that create legal precedents like Row v. Wade.
 
2013-08-26 04:25:52 PM  

quiotu: That's not an exact science, but it's been fairly proven that around 14 weeks is when fetuses start to show definitive features of a living person.


Gosh, I was wondering what is the best time to tell my girl when she could stop smoking, drinking, and doing meth. I'll try to remember that for the next one.
 
2013-08-26 04:28:27 PM  

OregonVet: quiotu: That's not an exact science, but it's been fairly proven that around 14 weeks is when fetuses start to show definitive features of a living person.

Gosh, I was wondering what is the best time to tell my girl when she could stop smoking, drinking, and doing meth. I'll try to remember that for the next one.


Don't bother. Sounds like it was fairly tainted at conception.
 
gja
2013-08-26 04:29:01 PM  

Carth: gja: Carth: gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.

So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?

Never said that. I merely established the tipping point for myself. Try to follow along.

Unless you mean "Yes it is acceptable for other people to resort to hitting a women to stop a greater evil, but i would never do it" yes you did (which is possible). Your sentence limited to you only one instance when you would strike a women. Did you mean something else? Or did the definition of "only" change like literally did?


What the hell are you trying to ask? Your grammar and syntax is so askew as to be complete obfuscation.

GREATER EVIL. You keep using that phrase so no either define it clearly or stop using it as a catch-all.

For ME to strike a woman would require me to feel there is imminent danger of, and intent on the womans part, to cause me DEADLY harm.
Others need to make THEIR OWN JUDGEMENT CALLS. I am not judge/jury/and moral keeper of all others.
 
2013-08-26 04:32:55 PM  

mbillips: In Georgia, use of "fighting words" is considered an assault


Uh, no, "disorderly conduct", according to your link, far from assault.

But thanks for playing!
 
2013-08-26 04:34:47 PM  

give me doughnuts: The Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing in any court.


True, but it does provide a foundation of what is to be considered a right in this country.  They considered an unalienable right to life as big thing.  In addition, there is no doubt that this philosophy is a basis for our legal system.
 
2013-08-26 04:35:45 PM  

gja: For ME to strike a woman would require me to feel there is imminent danger of, and intent on the womans part, to cause me DEADLY harm.
Others need to make THEIR OWN JUDGEMENT CALLS. I am not judge/jury/and moral keeper of all others.


You were in line. You were reasonable. IMHO.
 
2013-08-26 04:36:58 PM  

gja: Carth: gja: Carth: gja: Relatively Obscure: realmolo: The biatch DID deserve it. That doesn't mean she should get punched. We live in a civilized society. Violence is against the rules.

But come ON. Anti-abortion protesters are pieces-of-shiat. Wouldn't you punch one if there weren't any consequences? I know I would.

There aren't too many things that are going to make me want to punch a stupid old lady.  A strong disagreement probably isn't on that list.  If it wasn't just not in my nature to want to do that kind of thing, then the fact that once I started I'd be busy punching people for the rest of my life would deter me.

There is only 1 thing any woman could do to provoke me to strike her.
Waving a weapon at me is it. If a woman were to point a gun, or come towards me with a knife, with the clear intent to do deadly harm she will be waking up on the ground disarmed and likely hogtied. That is MY tipping point.

So you don't think it is acceptable to resort to violence to eliminate a greater evil?

Never said that. I merely established the tipping point for myself. Try to follow along.

Unless you mean "Yes it is acceptable for other people to resort to hitting a women to stop a greater evil, but i would never do it" yes you did (which is possible). Your sentence limited to you only one instance when you would strike a women. Did you mean something else? Or did the definition of "only" change like literally did?

What the hell are you trying to ask? Your grammar and syntax is so askew as to be complete obfuscation.

GREATER EVIL. You keep using that phrase so no either define it clearly or stop using it as a catch-all.

For ME to strike a woman would require me to feel there is imminent danger of, and intent on the womans part, to cause me DEADLY harm.
Others need to make THEIR OWN JUDGEMENT CALLS. I am not judge/jury/and moral keeper of all others.


So if a women was going to cause others deadly harm you wouldn't hit her to stop it? I would definitely strike a women to save someone else life. Hell, if i put my mind to it I could probably think of a few dozens reasons striking someone would be morally justifiable.

I think you're limiting yourself to only using violence in personal self defense is simplistic and ignores the reality of the world we live in.
 
2013-08-26 04:40:44 PM  
Carth:

So if a women was going to cause others deadly harm you wouldn't hit her to stop it? I would definitely stri ...

i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-08-26 04:44:14 PM  

HeadLever: True, but it does provide a foundation of what is to be considered a right in this country.  They considered an unalienable right to life as big thing.  In addition, there is no doubt that this philosophy is a basis for our legal system.


They also thought most rights should be limited to white male landowners too.  There are a lot of good reasons we don't just make the law what we imagine some dudes who lived a few centuries ago (and had widely different views) might have thought about modern issues.

The DOI has no legal bearing as far as constitutional law goes, it is all based on precedent and our development from English common law.  

The definition of the term murder specifically uses the word unlawful.  Regardless of what any anti-choice folks may feel about what the law *should* be, it is clear that abortion itself is currently legal, and thus cannot be murder.   Just like I can't call George Zimmerman a murderer because I think vigilante thugs deserve to be considered as such because the law doesn't just bend to my perception of right and wrong.
 
gja
2013-08-26 04:44:56 PM  

Carth: So if a women was going to cause others deadly harm you wouldn't hit her to stop it? I would definitely strike a women to save someone else life. Hell, if i put my mind to it I could probably think of a few dozens reasons striking someone would be morally justifiable.

I think you're your limiting yourself to only using violence in personal self defense is simplistic and ignores the reality of the world we live in.


For me I would not need to resort to violence to merely disarm/disable a woman unless I was the focus of her attention.
 
2013-08-26 05:03:49 PM  

RobSeace: To me, one definite requirement (probably not the only one) is the capacity for consciousness... And, in human fetuses, consciousness simply is impossible until sometime in the third trimester because the brain regions necessary simply aren't formed yet... So, prior to that, they can't be "people", as far as I'm concerned, and therefore have no rights...


According to pesky things like science and our own constitution's criterium of "born persons," you are absolutely right.  The strict constitutional originalists openly ignore this fact, but it is there, plain as day.

However, even if we were to grant them SOME rights to appease the anti-choicers, the rights of the fetus would need to be in proportion to the interests of the fetus ie, its consciousness. A spectrum, if you will. The idea is consistent with how we decide what animals to eat, whether people can step on ants, etc. Doing so would necessarily rank the rights of a fetus much  higher than say, a blade of grass, but  lower than, say, a fully sentient and very pregnant female.

Unfortunately, what you espouse is not based on the magic irrationality of religion. Good luck trying to convince the 200million+ in this country who think that magic is real and that souls weigh 21 grams.  The bumper sticker is wrong: Just about everyone in the south, and not just Sith, deal in absolutes.
 
2013-08-26 06:04:44 PM  

crazyeddie: Unfortunately, what you espouse is not based on the magic irrationality of religion. Good luck trying to convince the 200million+ in this country who think that magic is real and that souls weigh 21 grams.


But, as I and others have pointed out, they don't even get that right! By their own religion, fetuses aren't people and have no rights, either... It's actually worse: if you follow the Bible, newborns upto a month old aren't considered people, either... Whoever invented this modern notion that personhood begins at conception made it up themselves; they certainly didn't pull it out of the Bible... (Not that that would really be much better...)
 
2013-08-26 06:18:37 PM  
I'm glad I live in a country that will happily give these people a voice. I'm also glad I live in a country that will happily let their voices fall on deaf ears. Abortion isn't going to become illegal. Period. Some asshole up for re-election might push it as a talking for a few minutes, but that's as far as it's going to go. Weed's getting decriminalized, minority groups are getting equal rights, and abortions are remaining legal. You'll get over it.
 
2013-08-26 06:33:27 PM  

vudukungfu: Obviously, there was an abortion 79   30 years too late.


FTFY

 
2013-08-26 07:00:41 PM  

HeadLever: give me doughnuts: The Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing in any court.

True, but it does provide a foundation of what is to be considered a right in this country.  They considered an unalienable right to life as big thing.  In addition, there is no doubt that this philosophy is a basis for our legal system.


No, it doesn't. The Constitution does that. The Declaration was no more than announcement to the British Crown that the Colonists weren't going to take his shiat anymore.

And the basis for our legal system is the British legal system.
 
2013-08-26 07:18:42 PM  
cman: 3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag


I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that this dude was escorting a woman he impregnated into the clinic while Ma and Pa Kettle screamed at her calling her a whore and worse.  It's the only explanation as to why he would first do something as crazy as hit an old lady (push her away?), then just a short while later confess completely and act contrite.  He probably figures it's better to protect her privacy than come clean and make her a witness to a criminal case.  A Hail Mary saving face play.

This man is a hero.
 
2013-08-26 07:34:49 PM  

HeadLever: quiotu: You're absolutely correct. The problem you have is proving that a fetus is 'alive' or 'a person' or 'conscious'.

I agree.  However, the context of the argument that I was responding to has already made the leap from "fetus" to "person".

OregonVet: Yes, aborting a fetus is killing another person.


A, quibbling semantics.  Let's call them a human.  Is a fetus a human?

Let's not even get into the etymology of the word fetus.

What happens when technology allows for an artificial womb?  Since it no longer requires a woman's body, do they magically gain additional rights?
 
gja
2013-08-26 07:43:17 PM  

caddisfly: cman: 3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that this dude was escorting a woman he impregnated into the clinic while Ma and Pa Kettle screamed at her calling her a whore and worse.  It's the only explanation as to why he would first do something as crazy as hit an old lady (push her away?), then just a short while later confess completely and act contrite.  He probably figures it's better to protect her privacy than come clean and make her a witness to a criminal case.  A Hail Mary saving face play.

This man is a hero.


Your assumption, in an attempt to white knight someone who admittedly assault someone, is based on utter conjecture and opinion.
It does not excuse his assaulting someone. Words hurt, yes, but when you make the jump to physical measures you cross a line that results in your exiting civilized societies boundaries.
He is no hero.
 
2013-08-26 07:55:34 PM  

gja: caddisfly: cman: 3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that this dude was escorting a woman he impregnated into the clinic while Ma and Pa Kettle screamed at her calling her a whore and worse.  It's the only explanation as to why he would first do something as crazy as hit an old lady (push her away?), then just a short while later confess completely and act contrite.  He probably figures it's better to protect her privacy than come clean and make her a witness to a criminal case.  A Hail Mary saving face play.

This man is a hero.

Your assumption, in an attempt to white knight someone who admittedly assault someone, is based on utter conjecture and opinion.
It does not excuse his assaulting someone. Words hurt, yes, but when you make the jump to physical measures you cross a line that results in your exiting civilized societies boundaries.
He is no hero.


I was being sarcastic about the hero stuff, but I do believe there is likely more to this story.  In my experience full-time abortion protesters cross "civilized societal boundaries" a bit more often than Asian graduate students.
 
2013-08-26 08:03:50 PM  

gja: Carth: So if a women was going to cause others deadly harm you wouldn't hit her to stop it? I would definitely strike a women to save someone else life. Hell, if i put my mind to it I could probably think of a few dozens reasons striking someone would be morally justifiable.

I think you're your limiting yourself to only using violence in personal self defense is simplistic and ignores the reality of the world we live in.

For me I would not need to resort to violence to merely disarm/disable a woman unless I was the focus of her attention.


Removing a weapon from someones hand, immobilizing them, even blocking their path is a form of violence if you want to argue semantics.  Also:

www.marieclaire.com
Good luck stopping this woman from doing anything she really wants to do without hitting her. Hell good luck even with hitting her.
 
2013-08-26 08:30:48 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm sure that the senior citizen in question would gladly kill an abortion doctor that had done nothing to them, so there's a certain symmetry there.



How the hell do you know that? The VAST majority of Pro Lifers think killing abortion providers is evil./I know, I'm Pro Life
 
2013-08-26 08:33:07 PM  
I'm not sure why people think people protest abortion. It's not like you're killing a living being...

Genesis 2:7-"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

Job 33:4-"The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

Ezekiel 37: 5&6- "Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I shall lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord."

Even miscarriages as a result of violence are merely monetary damages...

Exodus 21:22- "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no mischief follows: he shall surely be punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."

Nope, not killing any living thing. It's right there in the bible.
 
2013-08-26 08:48:09 PM  

mooseyfate: JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.

Who has been murdering children wholesale and not batting an eye?



Caroline Weber.  She's even looking forward to hers.
 
2013-08-26 08:53:58 PM  
Clemkadidlefark: serial_crusher: How's that War on Women going, libs?

This



Who's the bigger idiot, the idiot or the fool who "this"es something idiotic?
 
2013-08-26 09:39:39 PM  
she should protest right-to-die legislation instead.
 
2013-08-26 10:32:28 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.


This, unfortunately. He's playing right into the very reaction for which they're fishing, which only serves to embolden their persecution complex.
 
2013-08-26 11:23:34 PM  

caddisfly: cman: 3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that this dude was escorting a woman he impregnated into the clinic while Ma and Pa Kettle screamed at her calling her a whore and worse.  It's the only explanation as to why he would first do something as crazy as hit an old lady (push her away?), then just a short while later confess completely and act contrite.  He probably figures it's better to protect her privacy than come clean and make her a witness to a criminal case.  A Hail Mary saving face play.

This man is a hero.


He's a hero because you can make up stories?
 
2013-08-26 11:53:31 PM  

HeadLever: There are plenty of secular pro-life organizations out there.  You can do a quick internet search if you want. Quit trying to stereotype the discussion into talking points.


Sure, if by "plenty" you mean, say, one.
 
2013-08-27 12:00:32 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Do all pro-death people just assert personal opinion as fact, or just you?


cache.ohinternet.com
This is a false flag, thing, right?  You're Poeing us?
 
2013-08-27 12:05:26 AM  

Relatively Obscure: caddisfly: cman: 3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that this dude was escorting a woman he impregnated into the clinic while Ma and Pa Kettle screamed at her calling her a whore and worse.  It's the only explanation as to why he would first do something as crazy as hit an old lady (push her away?), then just a short while later confess completely and act contrite.  He probably figures it's better to protect her privacy than come clean and make her a witness to a criminal case.  A Hail Mary saving face play.

This man is a hero.

He's a hero because you can make up stories?


i think the man has tourettes and spits out apologies for crap he never did.
 
2013-08-27 12:45:50 AM  
He probably got tired of her calling him a racist.
 
2013-08-27 02:06:25 AM  
So I wanted to do some searching and get a balanced view of this story.

I had a feeling there was more to this than we might know.

It was sourced from The Blaze(Glenn Becks) playground, and is only running in a bunch of right-wing rags. Anyone got a source on a real news outlet that is covering this. No, fox doesn't count.
 
2013-08-27 02:07:36 AM  
Has anyone called shenanigans yet?
 
gja
2013-08-27 07:36:05 AM  

Egoy3k: gja: Carth: So if a women was going to cause others deadly harm you wouldn't hit her to stop it? I would definitely strike a women to save someone else life. Hell, if i put my mind to it I could probably think of a few dozens reasons striking someone would be morally justifiable.

I think you're your limiting yourself to only using violence in personal self defense is simplistic and ignores the reality of the world we live in.

For me I would not need to resort to violence to merely disarm/disable a woman unless I was the focus of her attention.

Removing a weapon from someones hand, immobilizing them, even blocking their path is a form of violence if you want to argue semantics.  Also:


Good luck stopping this woman from doing anything she really wants to do without hitting her. Hell good luck even with hitting her.


I am willing to bet she would not be the type to be breaking a law very often. Marines tend to be strangely respectful that way dontchaknow.
There are very few women in her tier of conditioning.
I will not dwell on the infitesimal chance I will face that scenario.
 
2013-08-27 07:54:26 AM  

Popular Opinion: Relatively Obscure: caddisfly: cman: 3. Who did nothing to him

If there is anyone who should be shunned by society it is this assbag

I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that this dude was escorting a woman he impregnated into the clinic while Ma and Pa Kettle screamed at her calling her a whore and worse.  It's the only explanation as to why he would first do something as crazy as hit an old lady (push her away?), then just a short while later confess completely and act contrite.  He probably figures it's better to protect her privacy than come clean and make her a witness to a criminal case.  A Hail Mary saving face play.

This man is a hero.

He's a hero because you can make up stories?

i think the man has tourettes and spits out apologies for crap he never did.


Seems at least as valid as the other story.
 
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