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(Opposing Views)   Master debater tells 78-year-old woman that he disagrees with her position on abortion, but respects her right to express it. Either that or he punches her. I forget which one   (opposingviews.com) divider line 363
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2013-08-26 12:46:26 PM  
SordidEuphemism: I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

I've never met anyone in real life who's protested an abortion clinic, even those I know that are most vehemently pro-life.

I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.
 
2013-08-26 12:47:45 PM  

bdub77: I like how the link to the story says 87-year-old woman when it's actually 78.

For the record, sometimes the anti-abortion vitriol my mom spews out at me makes me want to punch her, and she's in her 60s. And she's my mom.


Because it's TOTAL dick move to punch an 87 year old woman but a 78 year old woman ain't a bid deal. .
 
2013-08-26 12:49:54 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Nabb1: He's 30, and punched an old lady - in the back, no less - without any indication she was threatening him or anything else.

We have no choice but to offer him a supervisory position with the Philadelphia Police Department.


I LOL'd. Thanks
 
2013-08-26 12:50:46 PM  

mesmer242: SordidEuphemism: I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

I've never met anyone in real life who's protested an abortion clinic, even those I know that are most vehemently pro-life.


It's not uncommon around here, unfortunately. It's good business for the churches, too. Free advertisement fills the pews, after all. (Cynical? Me? No!)

I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I'm fine with your viewpoint, so you're welcome to hang with me if I get the tarps back out. I'm of a mind that one's beliefs should not impact the bodies or legal actions of another. Feel what you want, but don't expect others to feel the same way.
 
2013-08-26 12:52:40 PM  

SordidEuphemism: I'm of a mind that one's beliefs should not impact the bodies or legal actions of another.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 12:53:29 PM  
Did you know that maintaining the thought about never hitting an old f*cking prohibitionist biatch... Is discrimination.

/Don't care what your age is or what your sex is or what your mental condition is, if you are an asshole and manipulating people, you will pay the price.

//But its still wrong for a cop to taser a 5 year old because stupid turd teacher got the student frustrated mad

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 12:53:31 PM  

bdub77: I like how the link to the story says 87-year-old woman when it's actually 78.

For the record, sometimes the anti-abortion vitriol my mom spews out at me makes me want to punch her, and she's in her 60s. And she's my mom.


dude knocked 9 years off her life
 
2013-08-26 12:55:00 PM  
Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.
 
2013-08-26 12:57:12 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.


Other than not punching her, anyway.
 
2013-08-26 12:58:57 PM  
mesmer242:  I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I think the majority of people who are pro choice believe something similar.  "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."
 
2013-08-26 12:59:45 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.


This.

It is sad when a guy who punches an old lady is acting more honorably than most of the people posting in this thread. I'm pro-choice and an atheist, and I am ashamed to be associated with most of the people in here who hold the same views. We are supposed to be better than this.
 
2013-08-26 12:59:52 PM  
Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice
 
2013-08-26 12:59:52 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.


But this is Fark and like a massive and unquenchable tampon, we want blood.
 
2013-08-26 01:02:16 PM  

JuggleGeek: "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."


Rare in the need for an abortion, not in the ability to access one.

I prefer: Safe, legal, and none of your goddamn business.
 
2013-08-26 01:03:36 PM  

Diogenes: Man Ma said knock you out!


farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-26 01:06:28 PM  

JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice


When children start dying, we'll give you a call.
 
2013-08-26 01:08:42 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz:  Don't test me, I've knocked out more octogenarians than cancer.


I laughed.

I'll be going now.
 
2013-08-26 01:09:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice

When children start dying, we'll give you a call.


You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on. They don't care that a fetus is incapable of pain sensation, or conscious awareness before the 20th week of gestation. They don't care that 96% of Abortions in the United States happen before the 14th week.

They don't care that the fact a heart is beating does not mean it's "alive" as we define a human child. Or that the fetal circulatory system does little to no work, at all.

Of course, in the Venn Diagram of "Pro-Life", these are the same people who were convinced that Terri Schiavo was alive-o, and that letting her die in accordance with her wishes was murder.
 
2013-08-26 01:10:46 PM  
Was the hero tag on vacation today or something. somebody buy this man a drink for his bravery!
 
2013-08-26 01:11:07 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Because of his arrest, the international graduate student may also face repercussions with the University of Iowa. His immigration status could also be affected.

GTFO, dipshiat.  You aren't helping.


He may be real soon. Certain violent offenses are right in the code of conduct of what will get you kicked out. And besides, do we really need more unhinged nuts on campus?
 
2013-08-26 01:11:22 PM  

Relatively Obscure: ikanreed: Yep, that's criminal, and indefensible.  He'll probably suffer appropriate penalties under law.  He personally knew what he did was wrong, and apologized immediately, and recognized that an apology was not enough.   That's about the most you could expect, from anyone.

Other than not punching her, anyway.


Yeah, I meant to say that, but hit add comment too soon.
 
2013-08-26 01:11:27 PM  
I read that as Masturbator tells 78-year-old woman that he disagrees with her position on abortion, and was like huh? then was like Oh! well that make sense then.

Need more caffiene!
 
2013-08-26 01:11:54 PM  
 
2013-08-26 01:11:59 PM  
Just go around with a sign that says "Only Abort the Gay Babies!" and offend everybody.
 
2013-08-26 01:11:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: JuggleGeek: "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."

Rare in the need for an abortion, not in the ability to access one.

I prefer: Safe, legal, and none of your goddamn business.


If you don't have the ability to access one, then "safe and legal" go out the window, so your argument is built on top of a strawman.

/since you aren't bright enough to talk without cussing, I'll amend that to "on top of a f*cking strawman".
 
2013-08-26 01:12:20 PM  

SordidEuphemism: mesmer242: SordidEuphemism: I've got a question for the religious, specifically the Christians, who use graphic imagery and caustic speech to dissuade others from abortion.

I've never met anyone in real life who's protested an abortion clinic, even those I know that are most vehemently pro-life.

It's not uncommon around here, unfortunately. It's good business for the churches, too. Free advertisement fills the pews, after all. (Cynical? Me? No!)


I've belonged to or attended churches in three states, and have been to churches in three others... all of various denominations in different parts of the country, and I've never been to one that used anti-abortion rhetoric as advertising, or even mentioned it in church at all. Only one of them had what I would consider a strongly obvious political slant at all and still - abortion was never mentioned. So I really can't figure out what kinds of churches support the protesters because I've never seen one. By far, the vast majority of churches I've seen spend their time either on local homeless/food bank type stuff or international missionaries.

I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I'm fine with your viewpoint, so you're welcome to hang with me if I get the tarps back out. I'm of a mind that one's beliefs should not impact the bodies or legal actions of another. Feel what you want, but don't expect others to feel the same way.


Yeah, you and I are in the same boat - I'm a libertarian-leaning liberal. I figure that it's most important that laws don't restrict anyone's religious beliefs - which is completely different from enforcing those beliefs, or ignoring them. I have actually had people tell me, angrily so, that I'm not "pro-choice" enough though. Pretty annoying.
 
2013-08-26 01:12:22 PM  
sheep snorter:

www.pbs.org
Militant Athiest (Adjusted for Accuracy)
 
2013-08-26 01:12:34 PM  

NeoAnderthal: This thread is a wealth of information and examples of what shiat the left has become and where they draw the line. I'll be using it as proof for months to come. Thanks.


Make sure you refer to this as well, eh?

\just to be fair, of course
 
2013-08-26 01:13:07 PM  

caleb4god: Was the hero tag on vacation today or something. somebody buy this man a drink for his bravery!


He's just given credence to every kook statement that Fox News has promoted about pro-choice individuals. This will be masturbatory confirmation fodder on every right-wing circle jerk for the next 10 years, I promise you that.

While it's awesome that someone punched an insufferable coont in the face (and yes, anti-abortion activists are vile, insufferable coonts for the way they harass people.), it's not helping by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2013-08-26 01:13:20 PM  
It's amazing how my attitude changed when I found out the woman was the anti abortion protester and not the guy. It went from 'typical right wing dick' to 'hey what a great idea'!

Those people love dying children, high infant mortality, children born into a living horror and the death penalty. Who deserves a punch in the back of the head more than them?
 
2013-08-26 01:13:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: The My Little Pony Killer: JDAT: Some children die by chance

No child should die by choice

When children start dying, we'll give you a call.

You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on. They don't care that a fetus is incapable of pain sensation, or conscious awareness before the 20th week of gestation. They don't care that 96% of Abortions in the United States happen before the 14th week.

They don't care that the fact a heart is beating does not mean it's "alive" as we define a human child. Or that the fetal circulatory system does little to no work, at all.

Of course, in the Venn Diagram of "Pro-Life", these are the same people who were convinced that Terri Schiavo was alive-o, and that letting her die in accordance with her wishes was murder.


I don't care what they believe, the instant they start using their beliefs to control what I do with my own body is where I start agreeing with dillholes who punch little old biddies.
 
2013-08-26 01:14:20 PM  

hardinparamedic: You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on.


Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:08 PM  

mbillips: Carth: doubled99: This proves people for abortion are crazy and dangerous

You think punching one old person is more proof of that than murdering millions of innocent babies?

Murder, huh? Obviously premeditated, too. So, you're in favor of the death penalty for women who have abortions, I assume. Or life without parole, if you're one of those strict pro-lifers.

/God murders just as many "innocent babies" in the womb as doctors do, y'know. And yet, I never see anyone working to stop the holocaust of miscarriages.


It must be hard for you to exist on the internet with such a broken sarcasm detector. If you start a crowd funding campaign to buy a new one I'll pitch in a few bucks because that is no way to go through life.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:21 PM  
Source: The Blaze

All you need to know.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:28 PM  

JuggleGeek: mesmer242:  I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoin

JuggleGeek: mesmer242:  I'm pro-choice in that I believe abortion should be legal, but anti-abortion in the sense that I generally think it's morally iffy to have one in most cases. This viewpoint pisses everyone off so I wouldn't dare go near protesters on either side.

I think the majority of people who are pro choice believe something similar.  "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."


That got taken out of the democratic platform a few years ago, IIRC. The CDC says there were almost 800,000 abortions in 2009 so calling it rare would be incorrect, I think. We really need to do a better job of preventing unwanted pregnancies as a society.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:43 PM  

HeadLever: hardinparamedic: You'll never convince them that a bundle of cells is not a child. That's what their whole dogma in this fight depends on.

Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.


Strawman. The item being discussed has the potential to become a unique human life. Remember those 3/4 of pregnancies that wind up as spontaneous abortions?
 
2013-08-26 01:17:44 PM  

JuggleGeek: If you don't have the ability to access one, then "safe and legal" go out the window, so your argument is built on top of a strawman.

/since you aren't bright enough to talk without cussing, I'll amend that to "on top of a f*cking strawman".


I think some wires got crossed here. I wasn't building a strawman.

What the slogan "safe, legal, and rare" does is open the door for more and more 'legal' restrictions on abortions. Waiting periods, permission slips, vaginal ultrasounds, the forced consumption of misinformation. The conservatives that pass these laws can then say, "Well it's still safe and legal, we're just making it more rare!" And they'd be right. That's why it's important to define what is meant by "rare". Rare in the need for an abortion, not in the ability of a woman to access one.

And when I posted "none of your goddamn business" that also includes me - none of my goddamn business. It wasn't a slight towards you. I'm guessing we have similar beliefs with regards to abortion.
 
2013-08-26 01:18:17 PM  

HeadLever: Strawman.  The 'dogma' depends that the item you are discussing is the beginning of a unique human life.


l.popoffka.ru

A dividing cell is not a "human life". It's a human cell. A fetus, before the 20th week of gestation, is neither self-aware nor does it feel pain. In some cases, it will NEVER do this. If this is what you actually believe, you need to go around charging oncologists with genocide every time they kill a cancerous tumor. Remember, those are human cells.

We define "human life" by the ability to be self-aware and engage in your environment. This is why it's perfectly acceptable in our society, outside of idiots who want to involve themselves in medical care of others, to allow someone to be withdrawn from life support when all other measures are futile. Or for someone to stop tube feeds when there is NO hope of recovery and a good quality of life.
 
2013-08-26 01:19:48 PM  

cman: 1. He assaulted a woman
2. A senior citizen
3. Who did nothing to him
4. Was a scumbag and danger to society

If there is anyone who should be shunned applauded by society it is this assbag

 
2013-08-26 01:21:24 PM  
If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.
 
2013-08-26 01:22:04 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Strawman. The item being discussed has the potential to become a unique human life. Remember those 3/4 of pregnancies that wind up as spontaneous abortions?


Per the argument, that is part of the chance/choice dichotomy.  Just because x% of them end up not being full term pregancies by chance, does not necessarily give us the right to end them by choice.

100% of births end in death.  That does not necessarily give us the power to end them when we want.
 
2013-08-26 01:22:18 PM  
Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.
 
2013-08-26 01:23:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: A dividing cell is not a "human life". It's a human cell.


As I said, it is the beginning to a unique human life.  Just because some of them do not reach term (either by choice or chance) does not disqulifiy that statement.
 
2013-08-26 01:25:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: caleb4god: Was the hero tag on vacation today or something. somebody buy this man a drink for his bravery!

He's just given credence to every kook statement that Fox News has promoted about pro-choice individuals. This will be masturbatory confirmation fodder on every right-wing circle jerk for the next 10 years, I promise you that.

While it's awesome that someone punched an insufferable coont in the face (and yes, anti-abortion activists are vile, insufferable coonts for the way they harass people.), it's not helping by any stretch of the imagination.


Yeah, but it was funny. And isnt that what really matters?
 
2013-08-26 01:26:32 PM  

doubled99: If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.


I would add gambling and doctor-assisted suicide to the list.
 
2013-08-26 01:30:51 PM  

JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.


This is because children are developed human beings capable of complex thoughts.
 
2013-08-26 01:31:52 PM  
Abortion is Murder.
 
2013-08-26 01:32:11 PM  

doubled99: If you want to tell others what they can and can't do with their own bodies, you probably deserve a swift punch in the nose.


Like drugs and prostitution? I hope you're for both of those as well.


Decriminalize drugs, legalize prostituion, tax and regulate both. The government has no business legislating morality; the drug problem should be treated as health problem rather than as a criminal one, and legalizing and regulating prostituion is the best way to protect sex workers and their clients from violence and disease.

/Not even kidding
 
2013-08-26 01:34:17 PM  

HeadLever: As I said, it is the beginning to a unique human life.  Just because some of them do not reach term (either by choice or chance) does not disqulifiy that statement.


So is ovulation and spermatogenesis, if you want to argue from this point.

So, every man and woman on earth is guilty of mass murder.
 
2013-08-26 01:37:09 PM  

JDAT: Children want you to hold their hand,

Not take their life.


Who has been murdering children wholesale and not batting an eye? Outside of countries with HUGE amounts of unrest, Civil Wars, and ethnic cleansing.

/American Pro-Lifers: fark the ones that are actually alive, we're trying to make a difference over here!
//I would love to see these idiots protesting a mass grave in Serbia
///I'm sure they'd be begging for a shove in the back by the end of the day
 
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