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2013-08-26 10:09:42 AM
4 votes:
Now are we talking Marines in Fallujah sniper fire or Hillary in Bosnia sniper fire?
2013-08-26 03:22:30 PM
2 votes:

oregon fubaralas: Kerry calls the attack "human suffering that we can never ignore or forget." Furthermore, he makes the case that the Assad regime carried out the attack, and anyone who argues that they did not happen "needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass."


80% of the American people want nothing to do with military action in Syria.
Within a week we will have conducted military action in Syria.
Bush was lambasted for military action in Iraq (rightfully so)
I predict Obama will get a total pass for this.

We have lost control of our government.
2013-08-26 12:17:43 PM
2 votes:

21-7-b: Amos Quito: It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time

The emails that you are referring to were shown to be forgeries - the email headers were cut and pasted


So you're going with prophecy, then?

I'm going with the fact that the documents that you are relying on as evidence of the west planning a false-flag chemical weapon incident have been shown to be obvious fakes. The fact that conspiracy nuts continue to try to use them as evidence of a conspiracy, despite their having been shown to be forgeries, only shows how the problem with conspiracy nuts is that they are unwilling or unable to filter information properly



You may be right. The emails may be fakes (a cite for that would be nice), but that doesn't detract from the FACT that the article was published on January 28, 2013, long before the FIRST allegations of AssadCo using CW's was floated.

Remember, Obama told Syria in July of 2012 that using CW's would be "crossing the red line"

IN OTHER WORDS:

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The evidence-free scenario that Bibi Netanyahu, France, England, Germany, Obama (and apparently YOU) are floating insists that AssadCo said "FARK YOU!" and launched the Sarin - knowing FULL WELL what the consequences would be.

And of course ALL of these immediately discount the possibility that "interested parties" may have set up a false-flag scenario to bring down the wrath of the Dynamite Monkey - giving the US and the "international community" the excuse they needed to rain HELL on AssadCo with public support.

I remember the bullshiat spewed by BushCo in the run-up to Iraq, and I have serious doubts that AssadCo is responsible.

That bullshiat smells all too familiar.

I'm also not to thrilled about ANY involvement in the Syria mess - because the fall of Assad will NOT be the "end", but the beginning, and it will no doubt spread like wildfire.
hej
2013-08-26 11:12:27 AM
2 votes:
Am I the only one who finds the term "sniper" to be just as annoying as "assault rifle"?
2013-08-26 10:41:52 AM
2 votes:

Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.


Rifles and plane tickets are cheap. Goodbye.
2013-08-26 10:24:36 AM
2 votes:

mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.


I don't think so.  Military forces usually keep very close tabs on these kind of "special weapons".  I can't imagine them being released and used without permission.  Especially since in this case they've already been warned a couple of times.
2013-08-26 04:52:17 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: tirob: Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.

The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here

Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.


We've been committed to involvement for a long time.

Amos Quito: vygramul: Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?

If Assad believes he will lose the war without them, then Assad had most to gain by using them.


So you're saying that you don't think he used them yet?

Because that's the thing with this kind of weapon - and under the circumstances you described above - once you start, you DON'T stop.

It's all or nothing, baby.

Friends, we have someone among us here who knows how policy is made in both Washington and Damascus.  I'm impressed.


You forgot Tel Aviv.


They have to be, of course, brilliant enough to pull it off and stupid enough to be obvious about it. Which is pretty much what some kinds of people think of Jews.
2013-08-26 04:26:13 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: He's winning? Seriously? The rebels are in the suburbs around Damascus...and he's winning?


The CSA army spent 1861-1865 all over the Washington DC suburbs, and was never a serious threat to win the war

The German army spent two years in the suburbs of Stalingrad and Moscow, which is right where the Russian army wanted them.

Actually taking a city is much harder than being in its suburbs.
2013-08-26 03:51:48 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: AngryDragon: oregon fubaralas: Kerry calls the attack "human suffering that we can never ignore or forget." Furthermore, he makes the case that the Assad regime carried out the attack, and anyone who argues that they did not happen "needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass."

80% of the American people want nothing to do with military action in Syria.
Within a week we will have conducted military action in Syria.
Bush was lambasted for military action in Iraq (rightfully so)
I predict Obama will get a total pass for this.

We have lost control of our government.

Hmmm... strange. It's almost like there's a difference between committing 150,000 ground troops to a 7-year mission and lobbing a few cruise missiles for a couple of weeks. The American people are such simpletons that way.


Or it could be that we're sick and tired of warfare.  Some of us are sick of attending military funerals.  None of us want to see an escalation and we realize that "lobbing a few cruise missiles" could very well be like kicking a hornet's nest.  Once we are engaged, we will be engaged until it's resolved.  Not many of us want ANOTHER 10 years of conflict.
2013-08-26 03:49:23 PM
1 votes:

AngryDragon: oregon fubaralas: Kerry calls the attack "human suffering that we can never ignore or forget." Furthermore, he makes the case that the Assad regime carried out the attack, and anyone who argues that they did not happen "needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass."

80% of the American people want nothing to do with military action in Syria.
Within a week we will have conducted military action in Syria.
Bush was lambasted for military action in Iraq (rightfully so)
I predict Obama will get a total pass for this.

We have lost control of our government.


The best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist.

That is to say, you never had control of your government, and the fact you believe otherwise just proves how effective the propaganda is.  (the fact you don't know your entire media culture is propaganda is another nice trick)

"If you get them asking the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers" - Thomas Pynchon
2013-08-26 03:39:24 PM
1 votes:

BigNumber12: Russia, meanwhile, said Western nations calling for military action have no proof the Syrian government was behind any chemical attacks.


I don't think that Russia has any business being on the Security Council anymore. Instead of "let's investigate," all they seem to be good for is "Nuh uh!" and obstructionism.


It was the U.S. that tried to obstruct the U.N. investigators today. Told them it was too dangerous, go home.
2013-08-26 02:19:33 PM
1 votes:
Actually, the Bush doctrine was more subtle than "install western-style democracy."

The Bush doctrine was about removing the ability of the state in question to engage in power projection. Specifically, the goal was to ensure that the entity in question was incapable of taking any global or regional action that would negatively affect the USA.

In that light, the Iraq and Afghan war was very effective. They can hardly shiat in a pot, much less sponsor terrorist groups.
2013-08-26 02:14:24 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: swahnhennessy: Infernalist: swahnhennessy: 21-7-b: Look at Saddam's attack on Halabja. Most of the victims were women and children. The motive was revenge - to teach the Kurdish people a lesson. That's a real-world example of a dictator using chemical weapons to try to stamp out internal discontent. People saying "Assad had no motive" are ignoring reality

Assad is winning the war and knows full-well that by using CM he invites NATO to come and take a walk all over him. Furthermore, UN inspectors were present in Syria at the time of the attack. It makes zero sense.

He's winning?  Seriously?  The rebels are in the suburbs around Damascus...and he's winning?

Yes. This is a pretty common opinion. Don't act too shocked.

So, it's a case of..

"Sir, we're surrounded!"

"Excellent, now we've got them exactly where we want them!"

Wow.  lol


So the rebels cover Syria? Or because they have strongholds near Damascus they must have Assad surrounded? If you're not even up-to-date on the situation in Syria you have no business participating in this debate. It is embarrassing.
2013-08-26 02:07:25 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Seems to me that Israel is doing just fine.


Those sneaky Jews, and their "doing just fine" ways.
2013-08-26 01:44:01 PM
1 votes:

21-7-b: Saddam's attack on Halabja


There's a big difference between using chemical weapons on Kurds in a far-away place and using chemical weapons on a suburb of your capital city...which is also the city that you live in.

These sort of distinctions are easy to ignore when you're an advocate of action.

Again, Assad has no real reason to use chemical weapons. His conventional weapons have been very effective. His longevity in this particular situation shows that he's a smart guy, and smart guys don't do dumb things on the eve of victory.

It's romantic to believe that rebels are always in the right, and that every regime needs to fall. But in real life, when rebels win everybody loses.
2013-08-26 01:34:33 PM
1 votes:
Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

According to recently declassified CIA documents and interviews with former intelligence officials like Francona, the U.S. had firm evidence of Iraqi chemical attacks beginning in 1983. At the time, Iran was publicly alleging that illegal chemical attacks were carried out on its forces, and was building a case to present to the United Nations. But it lacked the evidence implicating Iraq, much of which was contained in top secret reports and memoranda sent to the most senior intelligence officials in the U.S. government. The CIA declined to comment for this story.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_pro v e_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran
2013-08-26 01:10:32 PM
1 votes:

ManicParroT: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Now are we talking Marines in Fallujah sniper fire or Hillary in Bosnia sniper fire?

FTA:  Nesirky said one of the cars used by the team was "no longer serviceable" after the shooting, forcing the team to return to a government checkpoint to replace the vehicle.

That sounds pretty real to me. If someone shoots your car up to the point where you can't use it, I'd say that counts as getting shot at. As opposed to being 'somewhere near some people who are shooting'.


I'm sorry, but you misunderstood the explanation.

As others have said, the car has "Trojan" on the side, so, obviously you can only use it once.

*rimshot*

/weren't there allegations that the UN inspectors in Iraq were actually spies to canvas the area?
//if so, the "Trojan" thing would be ironic. Also explains why the Syrian gov wouldn't want them there.
///ironic?! we have hipsters in military now?!
////as depressing as the situation is, I can't help but imagine it as one of those dark Whodunnit comedies, where everyone has a motive and a weak alibi
//i wonder who the butler is?
//*turns off the light then turns it on again quickly*
2013-08-26 01:00:05 PM
1 votes:
Amos made the mistake of actually believing the Russian government on ANYTHING.
2013-08-26 12:42:26 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: I'm still waiting for an explanation why we're going on week 50 of the weekly Syria/US threads and we're still not neck-deep in a ME quagmire.


As I said earlier: Iran being 5 years away from a nuke for the last 25 years is proof they're NOT going for a nuke. The US being 5 months away from invading Iran for the last 25 years is proof that we ARE going to invade them.

It's a nice cognitive dissonance if you can compartmentalize your brain the way some people around here seem to be able to do.
2013-08-26 12:30:26 PM
1 votes:

Sentient: I find myself hoping that the chemical analysis shows the sarin to have come from outside Syria, pointing to a non-gov't attack, meaning some rebel faction is happily gassing kids to garner sympathy... because  it's the only way I can see the US refraining from diving headlong into yet another unwinnable mideast conflict.What a depressing state of affairs that is.



Wouldn't be the first time?

JAPAN TIMES - July 10, 2013

Russia says Syrian rebels produced sarin, used it in attack

QUOTE:

UNITED NATIONS - Russia's U.N. ambassador said Tuesday that Russian experts determined that Syrian rebels made sarin nerve gas and used it in a deadly chemical weapon attack outside Aleppo in March.

Ambassador Vitaly Churkin blamed opposition fighters for the March 19 attack in the government-controlled Aleppo suburb of Khan al-Assal, which he said killed 26 people, including 16 military personnel, and injured 86 others.

The rebels have blamed the government for the attack. The U.S., Britain and France have said they have seen no evidence to indicate that the opposition has acquired or used chemical weapons.

In Washington, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "We have yet to see any evidence that backs up the assertion that anybody besides the Syrian government has had the ability to use chemical weapons or has used chemical weapons."


[LOL! Then they wanted "evidence". What about now?]

[...]


The samples taken from the impact site of the gas-laden projectile were analyzed at a Russian laboratory certified by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Churkin said.

He said the analysis showed that the unguided Basha'ir-3 rocket that hit Khan al-Assal was not a military-standard chemical weapon.

Churkin said the results indicate it "was not industrially manufactured and was filled with sarin." He said the samples indicated the sarin and the projectile were produced in makeshift "cottage industry" conditions, and the projectile "is not a standard one for chemical use."

The absence of chemical stabilizers, which are needed for long-term storage and later use, indicated its "possibly recent production," Churkin said.
"Therefore, there is every reason to believe that it was the armed opposition fighters who used the chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal," Churkin said.

"According to information at our disposal," he added, "the production of Basha'ir-3 unguided projectiles was started in February 2013 by the so-called Basha'ir al-Nasr brigade affiliated with the Free Syrian Army."

END QUOTE


But they're Russians, so what do they know.

Right?
2013-08-26 11:57:09 AM
1 votes:

21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.


The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here



Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.

We've been committed to involvement for a long time.
2013-08-26 11:54:59 AM
1 votes:

21-7-b: The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here


10 years and 14 UN resolutions and they said we rushed into Iraq!

2.5 years? That damn near instant response!
2013-08-26 11:22:37 AM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Snipers? In a farking WAR ZONE?

Shocking!

Could this possibly be the reason that AssadCo was hesitant to allow inspectors into the area in the first place?


You sure it wasn't Mossad snipers?
2013-08-26 11:21:39 AM
1 votes:
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2013-08-26 10:58:08 AM
1 votes:
Great, the American tax payers get to liberate another country.
2013-08-26 10:28:29 AM
1 votes:
Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.
2013-08-26 10:27:14 AM
1 votes:
Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.
 
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