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(Social Reader)   UN says Syrian snipers have thoughtfully perforated the strongly-worded letter they were delivering to Assad   (socialreader.com) divider line 174
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2013-08-26 03:48:47 PM  
Harf distinguishes between the US determination that chemical weapons have been used - that's "clear," she says - and the question of who used them - there's "very little doubt", she says.
"It's clear that chemical weapons were used," Harf says. "There's very little doubt that they were used by the regime.
 
2013-08-26 03:49:20 PM  

oregon fubaralas: Kerry: chemical attack undeniable, 'there must be accountability'Kerry's remarks are unambiguous as to what the US believes has occurred and he says the "cowardly crime" cannot be allowed to let pass.
"The use of chemical weapons is a moral obsecenity," he says. Kerry says evidence of chemical weapons use "is undeniable."
After extensive remarks which we'll excerpt in a moment, Kerry said the US would act.
"The president will be making an informed decision about how to respond to this indiscriminate use of chemical weapons," Kerry says.
"There must be accountability."



Respond against who?

Who will we pretend to hold accountable when we don't know who did it? (or do we?)

There is ZERO evidence that AssadCo committed this atrocity, Mr. Kerry. I suggest you manufacture some evidence ASAP.

The American public is st00pid (just look at this thread), so I'm sure that claiming "undisclosed intelligence resources" as your "proof" will work just fine.


/Fill you gas tanks now, folks
 
2013-08-26 03:49:23 PM  

AngryDragon: oregon fubaralas: Kerry calls the attack "human suffering that we can never ignore or forget." Furthermore, he makes the case that the Assad regime carried out the attack, and anyone who argues that they did not happen "needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass."

80% of the American people want nothing to do with military action in Syria.
Within a week we will have conducted military action in Syria.
Bush was lambasted for military action in Iraq (rightfully so)
I predict Obama will get a total pass for this.

We have lost control of our government.


The best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist.

That is to say, you never had control of your government, and the fact you believe otherwise just proves how effective the propaganda is.  (the fact you don't know your entire media culture is propaganda is another nice trick)

"If you get them asking the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers" - Thomas Pynchon
 
2013-08-26 03:51:48 PM  

vygramul: AngryDragon: oregon fubaralas: Kerry calls the attack "human suffering that we can never ignore or forget." Furthermore, he makes the case that the Assad regime carried out the attack, and anyone who argues that they did not happen "needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass."

80% of the American people want nothing to do with military action in Syria.
Within a week we will have conducted military action in Syria.
Bush was lambasted for military action in Iraq (rightfully so)
I predict Obama will get a total pass for this.

We have lost control of our government.

Hmmm... strange. It's almost like there's a difference between committing 150,000 ground troops to a 7-year mission and lobbing a few cruise missiles for a couple of weeks. The American people are such simpletons that way.


Or it could be that we're sick and tired of warfare.  Some of us are sick of attending military funerals.  None of us want to see an escalation and we realize that "lobbing a few cruise missiles" could very well be like kicking a hornet's nest.  Once we are engaged, we will be engaged until it's resolved.  Not many of us want ANOTHER 10 years of conflict.
 
2013-08-26 03:54:17 PM  

BigNumber12: Russia, meanwhile, said Western nations calling for military action have no proof the Syrian government was behind any chemical attacks.


I don't think that Russia has any business being on the Security Council anymore. Instead of "let's investigate," all they seem to be good for is "Nuh uh!" and obstructionism.


Wait... you mean bullshiat allegations are now "proof"?


/Good enough for the Farktards, I guess
 
2013-08-26 04:02:50 PM  
Carney:
He says the UN inspectors are on a mission to investigate chemical weapons use but that that question already has been settled.
"The UN team does not have a mandate to establish culpability. It is our belief... that the regime in Syria has made obvious their attempts to preclude an investigation."


That explains why they weren't allowed to inspect or remove the actual shells today. We don't care who actually did it.
 
2013-08-26 04:12:12 PM  

oregon fubaralas: Carney:
He says the UN inspectors are on a mission to investigate chemical weapons use but that that question already has been settled.
"The UN team does not have a mandate to establish culpability. It is our belief... that the regime in Syria has made obvious their attempts to preclude an investigation."


That explains why they weren't allowed to inspect or remove the actual shells today. We don't care who actually did it.


It's funny how easily you can read what you want to read, despite nothing of the kind actually being in the text.
 
2013-08-26 04:15:19 PM  

tirob: Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.

The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here

Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.


We've been committed to involvement for a long time.

Amos Quito: vygramul: Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?

If Assad believes he will lose the war without them, then Assad had most to gain by using them.


So you're saying that you don't think he used them yet?

Because that's the thing with this kind of weapon - and under the circumstances you described above - once you start, you DON'T stop.

It's all or nothing, baby.

Friends, we have someone among us here who knows how policy is made in both Washington and Damascus.  I'm impressed.



You forgot Tel Aviv.
 
2013-08-26 04:23:55 PM  
Merkel supports Syria Intervention

Kerry sort of said we are going to war


Anyone know where I can get that 5k sunblock?
 
2013-08-26 04:26:13 PM  

Infernalist: He's winning? Seriously? The rebels are in the suburbs around Damascus...and he's winning?


The CSA army spent 1861-1865 all over the Washington DC suburbs, and was never a serious threat to win the war

The German army spent two years in the suburbs of Stalingrad and Moscow, which is right where the Russian army wanted them.

Actually taking a city is much harder than being in its suburbs.
 
2013-08-26 04:31:21 PM  
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I volunteer to invade Assad's wife.

/For the good of mankind.
 
2013-08-26 04:33:54 PM  

Kahabut: oregon fubaralas: Carney:
He says the UN inspectors are on a mission to investigate chemical weapons use but that that question already has been settled.
"The UN team does not have a mandate to establish culpability. It is our belief... that the regime in Syria has made obvious their attempts to preclude an investigation."


That explains why they weren't allowed to inspect or remove the actual shells today. We don't care who actually did it.

It's funny how easily you can read what you want to read, despite nothing of the kind actually being in the text.


The group went to the site of a chemical rocket strike:
They took samples of the soil and some affected animals. They took a chicken. They refused to take the chemical rocket. It seems they are not allowed to take the rocket with them.
 
2013-08-26 04:34:44 PM  
They took a chicken.
 
2013-08-26 04:50:54 PM  

AngryDragon: Or it could be that we're sick and tired of warfare.  Some of us are sick of attending military funerals.  None of us want to see an escalation and we realize that "lobbing a few cruise missiles" could very well be like kicking a hornet's nest.  Once we are engaged, we will be engaged until it's resolved.   Not many of us want ANOTHER 10 years of conflict.


Which is what you would expect from an intervention that looks like Libya.
 
2013-08-26 04:52:13 PM  

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I volunteer to invade Assad's wife.

/For the good of mankind.


I'd liberate the hell out of that...
 
2013-08-26 04:52:17 PM  

Amos Quito: tirob: Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.

The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here

Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.


We've been committed to involvement for a long time.

Amos Quito: vygramul: Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?

If Assad believes he will lose the war without them, then Assad had most to gain by using them.


So you're saying that you don't think he used them yet?

Because that's the thing with this kind of weapon - and under the circumstances you described above - once you start, you DON'T stop.

It's all or nothing, baby.

Friends, we have someone among us here who knows how policy is made in both Washington and Damascus.  I'm impressed.


You forgot Tel Aviv.


They have to be, of course, brilliant enough to pull it off and stupid enough to be obvious about it. Which is pretty much what some kinds of people think of Jews.
 
2013-08-26 04:59:14 PM  

oregon fubaralas: Kahabut: oregon fubaralas: Carney:
He says the UN inspectors are on a mission to investigate chemical weapons use but that that question already has been settled.
"The UN team does not have a mandate to establish culpability. It is our belief... that the regime in Syria has made obvious their attempts to preclude an investigation."


That explains why they weren't allowed to inspect or remove the actual shells today. We don't care who actually did it.

It's funny how easily you can read what you want to read, despite nothing of the kind actually being in the text.

The group went to the site of a chemical rocket strike:
They took samples of the soil and some affected animals. They took a chicken. They refused to take the chemical rocket. It seems they are not allowed to take the rocket with them.


Again, you seem to be making assumptions from facts not in evidence.

They refused to take a chemical weapon of unknown vintage and unknown stability with them?  HOW DARE THEY!

I can see it now.  The UN people elaborately transporting an unstable chemical ordinance, and presenting it to their weapons expert for analysis.  The weapons expert says "why didn't you just take pictures, get this farking thing out of my lab".

You are really really stretching yourself to come to conclusions that aren't supported by anything more than your fantasies.  No matter if they remove, or don't, actual chemical weapons from a site that may or may not be relevant to anything is immaterial to the investigation at hand (assuming there is an investigation at all, and not just a cataloging of events).

They took samples to determine the nature of the chemical weapon.  I'm certain they also took a lot of pictures.  Why would they need to take weapons themselves at all?  Seriously, do you have an answer for that?  It makes no sense what so ever.
 
2013-08-26 05:11:11 PM  

Amos Quito: tirob: Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.

The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here

Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.


We've been committed to involvement for a long time.

Amos Quito: vygramul: Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?

If Assad believes he will lose the war without them, then Assad had most to gain by using them.


So you're saying that you don't think he used them yet?

Because that's the thing with this kind of weapon - and under the circumstances you described above - once you start, you DON'T stop.

It's all or nothing, baby.

Friends, we have someone among us here who knows how policy is made in both Washington and Damascus.  I'm impressed.


You forgot Tel Aviv.


Didn't want to spill the beans on you.
 
2013-08-26 05:26:35 PM  

Kahabut: They took samples to determine the nature of the chemical weapon. I'm certain they also took a lot of pictures. Why would they need to take weapons themselves at all? Seriously, do you have an answer for that? It makes no sense what so ever.


For science stuff. Doing tests on photos of things just makes a mess.
 
2013-08-26 06:10:27 PM  

vygramul: AngryDragon: Or it could be that we're sick and tired of warfare.  Some of us are sick of attending military funerals.  None of us want to see an escalation and we realize that "lobbing a few cruise missiles" could very well be like kicking a hornet's nest.  Once we are engaged, we will be engaged until it's resolved.   Not many of us want ANOTHER 10 years of conflict.

Which is what you would expect from an intervention that looks like Libya.


Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
 
2013-08-26 06:42:28 PM  

oregon fubaralas: Kahabut: They took samples to determine the nature of the chemical weapon. I'm certain they also took a lot of pictures. Why would they need to take weapons themselves at all? Seriously, do you have an answer for that? It makes no sense what so ever.

For science stuff. Doing tests on photos of things just makes a mess.


You really need to read what is written, not what you want to see.
 
2013-08-26 07:20:44 PM  

Kahabut: oregon fubaralas: Kahabut: They took samples to determine the nature of the chemical weapon. I'm certain they also took a lot of pictures. Why would they need to take weapons themselves at all? Seriously, do you have an answer for that? It makes no sense what so ever.

For science stuff. Doing tests on photos of things just makes a mess.

You really need to read what is written, not what you want to see.


Dummy, nobody has even been able to identify the rockets. Having one or two in hand could help.
Not a scud:
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-26 11:24:06 PM  

AngryDragon: vygramul: AngryDragon: Or it could be that we're sick and tired of warfare.  Some of us are sick of attending military funerals.  None of us want to see an escalation and we realize that "lobbing a few cruise missiles" could very well be like kicking a hornet's nest.  Once we are engaged, we will be engaged until it's resolved.   Not many of us want ANOTHER 10 years of conflict.

Which is what you would expect from an intervention that looks like Libya.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.


Yes, but you kind of have to at least mould your expectations based on reality. Sure, your purchase of that penny stock didn't go anywhere. That doesn't mean Apple stock will be worthless in two weeks just like your Covad stock.

Unless we send boots on the ground, and there's zero reason to think we will, it's really rather absurd to think we're looking at a 10-year commitment.
 
2013-08-27 09:53:02 AM  
Heh - the Arab league has formally blamed Assad. I guess they're all just Zionists, too.
 
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