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2013-08-26 11:48:52 AM  

garkola: Reports say that the chemical weapons arrived on homemade rockets, hardly something the Syrian government would use. Besides that, the Syrian government has no real reason to use them, since they're winning.

Most likely it's the rebels or some third party that initiated the incident. However, who did it really doesn't matter much who did it, since the US is starting to get involved.

I mean come on, the US still has little idea about Benghazi, and it concludes (with no evidence) that the attack was done by the Syrian govt?



Evidence?

www.auburnmedia.com

We don't need no stinking evidence!

Vamanos!
 
2013-08-26 11:51:18 AM  
The administration's idea of letting the Turks handle this as a NATO action is good up to the point where the Shia powers (Iran et al.) decide they don't want another Sunni domino to drop on their border, then we get dragged into it under Article 5.
 
2013-08-26 11:54:23 AM  

Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Amos Quito: Somacandra: socodog: Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.

Its a farking war zone. People have been shooting shiat at anything that moves for over half a year. Why do people insist on the most complicated and convoluted explanation?


Not to speak for socodog, but I suspect he was referring to the GAS ATTACK ITSELF when hementioned "false flag".


Here's an interesting article from January, 2013

Hacked e-mails reveal 'Washington approved' plan to stage Syria chemical attack

QUOTE:

"On Saturday, Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.

"One of the e-mails contains a discussion between Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding and Philip Doughty, company founder. In the exchange, it's revealed that there is a plan to unleash chemical weapons in Syria in order to blame it on the Bashar Al Assad regime to justify a direct intervention by U.S. and NATO forces in the country's civil war. The plan, thought up by the government of Qatar according to the e-mail, is "approved by Washington."

END QUOTE


It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time

The emails that you are referring to were shown to be forgeries - the email headers were cut and pasted


So you're going with  prophecy, then?


I'm going with the fact that the documents that you are relying on as evidence of the west planning a false-flag chemical weapon incident have been shown to be obvious fakes. The fact that conspiracy nuts continue to try to use them as evidence of a conspiracy, despite their having been shown to be forgeries, only shows how the problem with conspiracy nuts is that they are unwilling or unable to filter information properly
 
2013-08-26 11:54:59 AM  

21-7-b: The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here


10 years and 14 UN resolutions and they said we rushed into Iraq!

2.5 years? That damn near instant response!
 
2013-08-26 11:57:09 AM  

21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.


The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here



Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.

We've been committed to involvement for a long time.
 
2013-08-26 11:57:53 AM  

pag1107: The administration's idea of letting the Turks handle this as a NATO action is good up to the point where the Shia powers (Iran et al.) decide they don't want another Sunni domino to drop on their border, then we get dragged into it under Article 5.


I don't think it'll be proxy Turk, we know where that could go. I will be proxy Israel IMHO, they already have struck weapons facilities....whats another five....dozen
 
2013-08-26 12:00:24 PM  

Sentient: I find myself hoping that the chemical analysis shows the sarin to have come from outside Syria, pointing to a non-gov't attack, meaning some rebel faction is happily gassing kids to garner sympathy... because it's the only way I can see the US refraining from diving headlong into yet another unwinnable mideast conflict.What a depressing state of affairs that is.


I would like to see what the UN would do if they did find evidence that the weapons were brought in and used by Qatari and Saudi Mercenary forces backed by the US and Isreal.  Would they place sanctions and invade them?
 
2013-08-26 12:02:40 PM  
Only surprise is it took that long.
 
2013-08-26 12:03:05 PM  

21-7-b: I'm going with the fact that the documents that you are relying on as evidence of the west planning a false-flag chemical weapon incident have been shown to be obvious fakes. The fact that conspiracy nuts continue to try to use them as evidence of a conspiracy, despite their having been shown to be forgeries, only shows how the problem with conspiracy nuts is that they are unwilling or unable to filter information properly


Are they as obvious as the OSB faked video's/death photo's.

\COINTELPRO much.
 
2013-08-26 12:05:44 PM  
Every week, I see these silly threads full of silly people making silly comments about the US getting caught up in another ME war.

And every week, nothing happens and they look stupid and people overlook that and take them seriously in the next series of threads that come out prophesying the same silly things again.

Is it a case of "If I make the predictions often enough, eventually I'll be right!"  or "I really want this to happen, so I'll lay out my wishful thinking in a semi-coherent way and when people point out how stupid it is, I'll call them naive sheeple!"?

Because, honestly, this is like the 50th thread regarding Syria and the US getting into another war there and it's just not happening.

What gives, yo?
 
2013-08-26 12:07:33 PM  

Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.


The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here


Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.

We've been committed to involvement for a long time.


And the fruition of this insidious plan:  we will finally have their oil!  No, wait, they have very little oil.  Gold?  No, no gold either.  Cocaine?  Nope, none of that.  I give up.  We're going after their strategic baklava reserves?
 
2013-08-26 12:11:57 PM  

Amos Quito: Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time


Or, Assad KNEW people like you would go for C) and it would give him cover to use that date. After all, Israel is too stupid to choose a date that wouldn't signal the false flagness. (As if such a date exists.)
 
2013-08-26 12:13:17 PM  

Amos Quito: Hacked e-mails reveal 'Washington approved' plan to stage Syria chemical attack


Hmmm... I wonder why you linked to an article about the claim rather than to the claim itself?
 
2013-08-26 12:17:43 PM  

21-7-b: Amos Quito: It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time

The emails that you are referring to were shown to be forgeries - the email headers were cut and pasted


So you're going with prophecy, then?

I'm going with the fact that the documents that you are relying on as evidence of the west planning a false-flag chemical weapon incident have been shown to be obvious fakes. The fact that conspiracy nuts continue to try to use them as evidence of a conspiracy, despite their having been shown to be forgeries, only shows how the problem with conspiracy nuts is that they are unwilling or unable to filter information properly



You may be right. The emails may be fakes (a cite for that would be nice), but that doesn't detract from the FACT that the article was published on January 28, 2013, long before the FIRST allegations of AssadCo using CW's was floated.

Remember, Obama told Syria in July of 2012 that using CW's would be "crossing the red line"

IN OTHER WORDS:

images.tribe.net

The evidence-free scenario that Bibi Netanyahu, France, England, Germany, Obama (and apparently YOU) are floating insists that AssadCo said "FARK YOU!" and launched the Sarin - knowing FULL WELL what the consequences would be.

And of course ALL of these immediately discount the possibility that "interested parties" may have set up a false-flag scenario to bring down the wrath of the Dynamite Monkey - giving the US and the "international community" the excuse they needed to rain HELL on AssadCo with public support.

I remember the bullshiat spewed by BushCo in the run-up to Iraq, and I have serious doubts that AssadCo is responsible.

That bullshiat smells all too familiar.

I'm also not to thrilled about ANY involvement in the Syria mess - because the fall of Assad will NOT be the "end", but the beginning, and it will no doubt spread like wildfire.
 
2013-08-26 12:18:18 PM  

Infernalist: Every week, I see these silly threads full of silly people making silly comments about the US getting caught up in another ME war.

And every week, nothing happens and they look stupid and people overlook that and take them seriously in the next series of threads that come out prophesying the same silly things again.

Is it a case of "If I make the predictions often enough, eventually I'll be right!"  or "I really want this to happen, so I'll lay out my wishful thinking in a semi-coherent way and when people point out how stupid it is, I'll call them naive sheeple!"?

Because, honestly, this is like the 50th thread regarding Syria and the US getting into another war there and it's just not happening.

What gives, yo?


www.viralfoto.com
 
2013-08-26 12:25:06 PM  

flynn80: Sentient: I find myself hoping that the chemical analysis shows the sarin to have come from outside Syria, pointing to a non-gov't attack, meaning some rebel faction is happily gassing kids to garner sympathy... because it's the only way I can see the US refraining from diving headlong into yet another unwinnable mideast conflict.What a depressing state of affairs that is.

I would like to see what the UN would do if they did find evidence that the weapons were brought in and used by Qatari and Saudi Mercenary forces backed by the US and Isreal.  Would they place sanctions and invade them?


No, the US, Britain and maybe France would veto any UN action.
 
2013-08-26 12:25:42 PM  

ArkPanda: Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.


The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here


Last week's CW incident is just a firebrand to build international public outrage in support of the war.

We've been committed to involvement for a long time.

And the fruition of this insidious plan:  we will finally have their oil!  No, wait, they have very little oil.  Gold?  No, no gold either.  Cocaine?  Nope, none of that.  I give up.  We're going after their strategic baklava reserves?


'Divide and Conquer' is the strategy, and then perpetual war will follow.
 
2013-08-26 12:26:34 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Click Click D'oh: Good god UN, SUVs?  Really?

If only there were some surplus of more suitable vehicles for driving around in Syria...

[460x276 from http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/25/13 64238522180/American-MRAP-vehicles-in-010.jpg image 460x276]

Three problems with that:

1) you think they know what they are doing
2) they don't want to look like an armed force
3) their egos won't let them believe that people dont fear and respect them.



People just pull shiat from their ass, post it to the internet, and walk away like they're telling the gospel truth. This guy seems to think that UN representatives, who probably face bombings and death threats daily, are driving around a war zone  oblivious to the possibility that they could be targetted. And he's saying it from the comfort of his desk/basement/stolen laptop, which makes it more ridiculous.
 
2013-08-26 12:30:26 PM  

Sentient: I find myself hoping that the chemical analysis shows the sarin to have come from outside Syria, pointing to a non-gov't attack, meaning some rebel faction is happily gassing kids to garner sympathy... because  it's the only way I can see the US refraining from diving headlong into yet another unwinnable mideast conflict.What a depressing state of affairs that is.



Wouldn't be the first time?

JAPAN TIMES - July 10, 2013

Russia says Syrian rebels produced sarin, used it in attack

QUOTE:

UNITED NATIONS - Russia's U.N. ambassador said Tuesday that Russian experts determined that Syrian rebels made sarin nerve gas and used it in a deadly chemical weapon attack outside Aleppo in March.

Ambassador Vitaly Churkin blamed opposition fighters for the March 19 attack in the government-controlled Aleppo suburb of Khan al-Assal, which he said killed 26 people, including 16 military personnel, and injured 86 others.

The rebels have blamed the government for the attack. The U.S., Britain and France have said they have seen no evidence to indicate that the opposition has acquired or used chemical weapons.

In Washington, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "We have yet to see any evidence that backs up the assertion that anybody besides the Syrian government has had the ability to use chemical weapons or has used chemical weapons."


[LOL! Then they wanted "evidence". What about now?]

[...]


The samples taken from the impact site of the gas-laden projectile were analyzed at a Russian laboratory certified by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Churkin said.

He said the analysis showed that the unguided Basha'ir-3 rocket that hit Khan al-Assal was not a military-standard chemical weapon.

Churkin said the results indicate it "was not industrially manufactured and was filled with sarin." He said the samples indicated the sarin and the projectile were produced in makeshift "cottage industry" conditions, and the projectile "is not a standard one for chemical use."

The absence of chemical stabilizers, which are needed for long-term storage and later use, indicated its "possibly recent production," Churkin said.
"Therefore, there is every reason to believe that it was the armed opposition fighters who used the chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal," Churkin said.

"According to information at our disposal," he added, "the production of Basha'ir-3 unguided projectiles was started in February 2013 by the so-called Basha'ir al-Nasr brigade affiliated with the Free Syrian Army."

END QUOTE


But they're Russians, so what do they know.

Right?
 
2013-08-26 12:33:07 PM  
I saw those nice pretty SUV's on the BBC this morning before they left and thought "Hope those got a little armor on them." I'm suprised they only lost one.


Lets just wall off Syria and let them kill themselves. At this point after the last 12 years of BS from the middle east I'm done wasting lives and money there.
 
2013-08-26 12:36:57 PM  

Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Amos Quito: It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time

The emails that you are referring to were shown to be forgeries - the email headers were cut and pasted


So you're going with prophecy, then?

I'm going with the fact that the documents that you are relying on as evidence of the west planning a false-flag chemical weapon incident have been shown to be obvious fakes. The fact that conspiracy nuts continue to try to use them as evidence of a conspiracy, despite their having been shown to be forgeries, only shows how the problem with conspiracy nuts is that they are unwilling or unable to filter information properly


You may be right. The emails may be fakes (a cite for that would be nice), but that doesn't detract from the FACT that the article was published on January 28, 2013, long before the FIRST allegations of AssadCo using CW's was floated.

Remember, Obama told Syria in July of 2012 that using CW's would be "crossing the red line"

IN OTHER WORDS:

The evidence-free scenario that Bibi Netanyahu, France, England, Germany, Obama (and apparently YOU) are floating insists that AssadCo said "FARK YOU!" and launched the Sarin - knowing FULL WELL what the consequences would be.

And of course ALL of these immediately discount the possibility that "interested parties" may have set up a false-flag scenario to bring down the wrath of the Dynamite Monkey - giving the US and the "international community" the excuse they needed to rain HELL on AssadCo with public support.

I remember the bullshiat spewed by BushCo in the run-up to Iraq, and I have serious doubts that AssadCo is responsible.

That bullshiat smells all too familiar.

I'm also not to thrilled about ANY involvement in the Syria mess - because the fall of Assad will NOT be the "end", but the beginning, and it will no doubt spread like wildfire.


The documents are fakes - not may be. The headers were cut and pasted and the content had nothing to do with Britam. You can search google for that. You brought them up, with much fanfare. You should have checked whether they were genuine
 
2013-08-26 12:39:36 PM  
I'm still waiting for an explanation why we're going on week 50 of the weekly Syria/US threads and we're still not neck-deep in a ME quagmire.
 
2013-08-26 12:40:30 PM  

Amos Quito: But they're Russians, so what do they know.

Right?


Are you saying the Russians have a more developed spy agency than the US?

Interesting.
 
2013-08-26 12:42:26 PM  

Infernalist: I'm still waiting for an explanation why we're going on week 50 of the weekly Syria/US threads and we're still not neck-deep in a ME quagmire.


As I said earlier: Iran being 5 years away from a nuke for the last 25 years is proof they're NOT going for a nuke. The US being 5 months away from invading Iran for the last 25 years is proof that we ARE going to invade them.

It's a nice cognitive dissonance if you can compartmentalize your brain the way some people around here seem to be able to do.
 
2013-08-26 12:43:22 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: People just pull shiat from their ass, post it to the internet, and walk away like they're telling the gospel truth. This guy seems to think that UN representatives, who probably face bombings and death threats daily, are driving around a war zone oblivious to the possibility that they could be targetted. And he's saying it from the comfort of his desk/basement/stolen laptop, which makes it more ridiculous.


Read the article:Nearly an hour before the team left, several mortar shells fell about 700 meters (yards) from their hotel, wounding three people. One of the shells struck a mosque and damaged its minaret, according to an AP reporter on the scene.

So you have mortars flying around but you roll up in a Toyota Land Cruiser?! Stupid or arrogant, take your pick. That electrical tape on your car door isn't going to stop shiat.
 
2013-08-26 12:52:14 PM  
Why don't we send in the Chinese?  They need to pony up and deal with some of this nonsense instead of just loaning money to the US to let us have to deal with it.
 
2013-08-26 12:55:38 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Why don't we send in the Chinese?  They need to pony up and deal with some of this nonsense instead of just loaning money to the US to let us have to deal with it.


So long as we keep doing it, no one else will develop the power-projection capability themselves. And so long as they can't project power, they can't really do all that much with which we disagree.
 
2013-08-26 12:58:42 PM  

Infernalist: I'm still waiting for an explanation why we're going on week 50 of the weekly Syria/US threads and we're still not neck-deep in a ME quagmire.


rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-08-26 01:00:05 PM  
Amos made the mistake of actually believing the Russian government on ANYTHING.
 
2013-08-26 01:01:36 PM  

vygramul: TheGreatGazoo: Why don't we send in the Chinese?  They need to pony up and deal with some of this nonsense instead of just loaning money to the US to let us have to deal with it.

So long as we keep doing it, no one else will develop the power-projection capability themselves. And so long as they can't project power, they can't really do all that much with which we disagree.


China opposes action against Assad's government, like Russia, because they sell arms to him. They also (like Russia) are very leery of Sunni jihadis, because they have their own Muslim separatist problem. The UN can't get involved, because Russia and China would just veto any resolution at the Security Council, so it's going to have to be NATO, the EU or the US. Looks like we're leaning toward NATO, with Turkey in the lead.
 
2013-08-26 01:02:04 PM  

21-7-b: The documents are fakes - not may be. The headers were cut and pasted and the content had nothing to do with Britam. You can search google for that. You brought them up, with much fanfare. You should have checked whether they were genuine



A quick google search for Britam emails fakes produces no immediate hits to bolster your claim.

Are you incapable of providing cites?

Do you accept what others tell you at face value? Do you expect others to take your every utterance as gospel?

Again, even if they ARE "fakes", it does NOT change the fact that these stories hit in late January of 2013 - long before the first allegations that CW's had been used in Syria - AND they point to a false-flag scenario.

Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?
 
2013-08-26 01:05:04 PM  

tripleseven: Your Company's Computer Guy: Is Trojan a UN sponsor?

The SUVs are protected against attacks of gonorrhea and aids.


Trojan's the name of the security contractor who supplies the trucks, drivers and bodyguards. Sort of like Blackwater, with less murder and buttsechs.
 
2013-08-26 01:07:40 PM  

mbillips: tripleseven: Your Company's Computer Guy: Is Trojan a UN sponsor?

The SUVs are protected against attacks of gonorrhea and aids.

Trojan's the name of the security contractor who supplies the trucks, drivers and bodyguards. Sort of like Blackwater, with less murder and buttsechs.


Condoms aren't 100% effective.  For instance, one time in Syria, some UN contractors were in a Trojan and still got sniped.
 
2013-08-26 01:08:44 PM  
Are they still wearing blue helmets?
 
2013-08-26 01:10:32 PM  

ManicParroT: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Now are we talking Marines in Fallujah sniper fire or Hillary in Bosnia sniper fire?

FTA:  Nesirky said one of the cars used by the team was "no longer serviceable" after the shooting, forcing the team to return to a government checkpoint to replace the vehicle.

That sounds pretty real to me. If someone shoots your car up to the point where you can't use it, I'd say that counts as getting shot at. As opposed to being 'somewhere near some people who are shooting'.


I'm sorry, but you misunderstood the explanation.

As others have said, the car has "Trojan" on the side, so, obviously you can only use it once.

*rimshot*

/weren't there allegations that the UN inspectors in Iraq were actually spies to canvas the area?
//if so, the "Trojan" thing would be ironic. Also explains why the Syrian gov wouldn't want them there.
///ironic?! we have hipsters in military now?!
////as depressing as the situation is, I can't help but imagine it as one of those dark Whodunnit comedies, where everyone has a motive and a weak alibi
//i wonder who the butler is?
//*turns off the light then turns it on again quickly*
 
2013-08-26 01:11:50 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: pag1107: The administration's idea of letting the Turks handle this as a NATO action is good up to the point where the Shia powers (Iran et al.) decide they don't want another Sunni domino to drop on their border, then we get dragged into it under Article 5.

I don't think it'll be proxy Turk, we know where that could go. I will be proxy Israel IMHO, they already have struck weapons facilities....whats another five....dozen


Turkey could wipe Iran's military off the map without taking its eye off Syria. Iran is a paper tiger made of out of paper, with extra paper trimming. There's absolutely no way Iran would do anything to Turkey other than give arms to the Kurdish terrorists. Israel doesn't play ball with NATO; they use their armed forces for Israel, and nobody else. If they wanted to hit Assad, they'd already have done it. Turkey is a NATO member; if NATO decides to hit Syria the way they hit Serbia and Libya, Turkey will be in the lead, with U.S. carrier aircraft doing most of the rest.
 
2013-08-26 01:13:44 PM  

tarvuz: Amos made the mistake of actually believing the Russian government on ANYTHING.



I don't "believe" anything ANY government says - especially if they are "interested parties" - and Russia IS an ally of Assad - but then again, the US and Israel have have already committed themselves to supporting Assad's enemies, haven't they?

But at least the Russians PRETENDED to gather evidence and do tests before proclaiming guilt - unlike the Israelis, the French, the Germans and the US - ALL of whom are simply declaring AssadCo GUILTY and commencing the execution process long before the first shred of evidence has been gathered, let alone analyzed.


Who do YOU believe, tarvuz? And why do you believe them?
 
2013-08-26 01:16:05 PM  
China and Russia can reject a resolution for the West to us force, and we can go back to making sure each side of this cival war have just enough ammo to drag this out another 5 years.

Farking with the middle-east, it's American as Baseball.
 
2013-08-26 01:17:54 PM  

Amos Quito: 21-7-b: The documents are fakes - not may be. The headers were cut and pasted and the content had nothing to do with Britam. You can search google for that. You brought them up, with much fanfare. You should have checked whether they were genuine


A quick google search for Britam emails fakes produces no immediate hits to bolster your claim.

Are you incapable of providing cites?

Do you accept what others tell you at face value? Do you expect others to take your every utterance as gospel?

Again, even if they ARE "fakes", it does NOT change the fact that these stories hit in late January of 2013 - long before the first allegations that CW's had been used in Syria - AND they point to a false-flag scenario.

Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?


let's deal with one issue at a time. Seeing as you are having problems discounting the emails, search google for:


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2013-08-26 01:18:28 PM  
The war drive against Syria

Before any proof of a chemical attack had emerged, and before any investigation had even begun-indeed, in less time than police departments take to issue an indictment in a routine street crime-French and British officials were calling for war with Assad. The day after the alleged attack, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius insisted that "force" was the only appropriate response.


Just an opinion piece but still it seems Paris and London are pushing harder for war than U.S. Of course we will do all the heavy lifting and they will tut tut at our warlike nature.
 
2013-08-26 01:18:29 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: China and Russia can reject a resolution for the West to us force, and we can go back to making sure each side of this cival war have just enough ammo to drag this out another 5 years.

Farking with the middle-east, it's American as Baseball.


What's your solution?  You get bonus points if it's based in reality.
 
2013-08-26 01:19:49 PM  

Amos Quito: 21-7-b: The documents are fakes - not may be. The headers were cut and pasted and the content had nothing to do with Britam. You can search google for that. You brought them up, with much fanfare. You should have checked whether they were genuine


A quick google search for Britam emails fakes produces no immediate hits to bolster your claim.

Are you incapable of providing cites?

Do you accept what others tell you at face value? Do you expect others to take your every utterance as gospel?

Again, even if they ARE "fakes", it does NOT change the fact that these stories hit in late January of 2013 - long before the first allegations that CW's had been used in Syria - AND they point to a false-flag scenario.

Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?


If Assad believes he will lose the war without them, then Assad had most to gain by using them.
 
2013-08-26 01:21:25 PM  

vygramul: Amos Quito: 21-7-b: The documents are fakes - not may be. The headers were cut and pasted and the content had nothing to do with Britam. You can search google for that. You brought them up, with much fanfare. You should have checked whether they were genuine


A quick google search for Britam emails fakes produces no immediate hits to bolster your claim.

Are you incapable of providing cites?

Do you accept what others tell you at face value? Do you expect others to take your every utterance as gospel?

Again, even if they ARE "fakes", it does NOT change the fact that these stories hit in late January of 2013 - long before the first allegations that CW's had been used in Syria - AND they point to a false-flag scenario.

Stick to the point, 21-7-b: Who had the most to gain - and the most to LOSE - by setting off CW's in Syria?

AssadCo? Or his enemies?

If Assad believes he will lose the war without them, then Assad had most to gain by using them.


I'm with the school of thought that Assad is trying to use CW and pin its use on the rebels.  He's trying for a twofer.
 
2013-08-26 01:26:28 PM  

Infernalist: Because, honestly, this is like the 50th thread regarding Syria and the US getting into another war there and it's just not happening.

What gives, yo?


What you're seeing here is the fundamental difference between Bush and Obama. Bush, for all his liberal leanings, became a virtual cowboy when he got the slightest excuse to go after the man who threatened his daddy.

Obama, on the other hand, subscribes to the Democrat method of going to war:

Spaghetti > Wall
See what sticks.
Lather
Rinse
Repeat
 
2013-08-26 01:26:43 PM  
Look at Saddam's attack on Halabja. Most of the victims were women and children. The motive was revenge - to teach the Kurdish people a lesson. That's a real-world example of a dictator using chemical weapons to try to stamp out internal discontent. People saying "Assad had no motive" are ignoring reality
 
2013-08-26 01:29:23 PM  
As Infernalist mentions, another motive Assad had was to blame the rebels. Assad has from day one sort to classify the rebels as terrorists
 
2013-08-26 01:31:21 PM  

mbillips: IdBeCrazyIf: pag1107: The administration's idea of letting the Turks handle this as a NATO action is good up to the point where the Shia powers (Iran et al.) decide they don't want another Sunni domino to drop on their border, then we get dragged into it under Article 5.

I don't think it'll be proxy Turk, we know where that could go. I will be proxy Israel IMHO, they already have struck weapons facilities....whats another five....dozen



mbillips: Turkey could wipe Iran's military off the map without taking its eye off Syria.


It's a shame that Israel made an enemy out of Turkey with that whole Mavi Mara flotilla incident then, isn't it? Otherwise Netanyahu could tell Turkey to take out Iran - in stead of sniveling and whining to the US forever.

mbillips: Israel doesn't play ball with NATO; they use their armed forces for Israel, and nobody else. If they wanted to hit Assad, they'd already have done it.



Of course! Why would Israel risk their own lives and resources when idiots like the US can be so easily conned into doing their dirty work for them?


/Selfish little bastards, aren't they?
 
2013-08-26 01:31:48 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Infernalist: Because, honestly, this is like the 50th thread regarding Syria and the US getting into another war there and it's just not happening.

What gives, yo?

What you're seeing here is the fundamental difference between Bush and Obama. Bush, for all his liberal leanings, became a virtual cowboy when he got the slightest excuse to go after the man who threatened his daddy.

Obama, on the other hand, subscribes to the Democrat method of going to war:

Spaghetti > Wall
See what sticks.
Lather
Rinse
Repeat


Now now.  That's not fair.

Democrats are quite able to go to war in a hurry when the circumstances are there.  Look at Libya.
 
2013-08-26 01:32:43 PM  

Infernalist: EdNortonsTwin: China and Russia can reject a resolution for the West to us force, and we can go back to making sure each side of this cival war have just enough ammo to drag this out another 5 years.

Farking with the middle-east, it's American as Baseball.

What's your solution? You get bonus points if it's based in reality.


Solution??? Bwaa ha haa ha.  There's no "solution" we will provide.
 
2013-08-26 01:33:19 PM  

Amos Quito: mbillips: IdBeCrazyIf: pag1107: The administration's idea of letting the Turks handle this as a NATO action is good up to the point where the Shia powers (Iran et al.) decide they don't want another Sunni domino to drop on their border, then we get dragged into it under Article 5.

I don't think it'll be proxy Turk, we know where that could go. I will be proxy Israel IMHO, they already have struck weapons facilities....whats another five....dozen


mbillips: Turkey could wipe Iran's military off the map without taking its eye off Syria.


It's a shame that Israel made an enemy out of Turkey with that whole Mavi Mara flotilla incident then, isn't it? Otherwise Netanyahu could tell Turkey to take out Iran - in stead of sniveling and whining to the US forever.

mbillips: Israel doesn't play ball with NATO; they use their armed forces for Israel, and nobody else. If they wanted to hit Assad, they'd already have done it.


Of course! Why would Israel risk their own lives and resources when idiots like the US can be so easily conned into doing their dirty work for them?


/Selfish little bastards, aren't they?


It hasn't worked with Syria thus far.  I don't like the Israeli government anymore than anyone else, but let's try to stay realistic here.
 
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