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2013-08-26 10:09:42 AM
Now are we talking Marines in Fallujah sniper fire or Hillary in Bosnia sniper fire?
 
2013-08-26 10:12:54 AM
Ah have always relied on the "Kindness of Strangers Excuse of the Rebels."

www.doctormacro.com
 
2013-08-26 10:20:12 AM
I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.
 
2013-08-26 10:22:26 AM
Speed holes.
 
2013-08-26 10:24:36 AM

mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.


I don't think so.  Military forces usually keep very close tabs on these kind of "special weapons".  I can't imagine them being released and used without permission.  Especially since in this case they've already been warned a couple of times.
 
2013-08-26 10:27:14 AM
Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.
 
2013-08-26 10:28:29 AM
Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.
 
2013-08-26 10:28:57 AM

mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.


Neither is a really good excuse is it? I mean that the fark are they doing with them in the first place? And where did they come from? Some people say they are from Iraq, some say they are from Iran what are the odds the Syrians made them?
 
2013-08-26 10:29:11 AM
Good god UN, SUVs?  Really?

If only there were some surplus of more suitable vehicles for driving around in Syria...

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-08-26 10:31:10 AM

Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.


And be replaced with what?
 
2013-08-26 10:33:22 AM

Click Click D'oh: Good god UN, SUVs?  Really?

If only there were some surplus of more suitable vehicles for driving around in Syria...

[460x276 from http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/25/13 64238522180/American-MRAP-vehicles-in-010.jpg image 460x276]


Three problems with that:

1) you think they know what they are doing
2) they don't want to look like an armed force
3) their egos won't let them believe that people dont fear and respect them.
 
2013-08-26 10:33:39 AM
Don't worry subby, Powers should be back from her vacation soon at which time a new strongly worded letter will be sent.
 
2013-08-26 10:33:54 AM

generallyso: Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.

And be replaced with what?


At this point, a pop tart would be an improvement.
 
2013-08-26 10:34:37 AM

generallyso: Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.

And be replaced with what?


Democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood of course.
 
2013-08-26 10:37:41 AM
I find myself hoping that the chemical analysis shows the sarin to have come from outside Syria, pointing to a non-gov't attack, meaning some rebel faction is happily gassing kids to garner sympathy... because  it's the only way I can see the US refraining from diving headlong into yet another unwinnable mideast conflict.What a depressing state of affairs that is.
 
2013-08-26 10:39:19 AM
Submittard:

The UN, nor the article, hasn't claimed that Syrian snipers fired on them. The nationality of the snipers is unknown, especially if it was rebels.
 
2013-08-26 10:41:52 AM

Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.


Rifles and plane tickets are cheap. Goodbye.
 
2013-08-26 10:43:31 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 2) they don't want to look like an armed force


img509.imageshack.us

It's more of a situation of the local widget in charge not fully understanding the danger his men are in.
 
2013-08-26 10:43:34 AM

socodog: Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.


Its a farking war zone. People have been shooting shiat at anything that moves for over half a year. Why do people insist on the most complicated and convoluted explanation?
 
2013-08-26 10:44:55 AM

MyRandomName: generallyso: Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too.

Fark what Russia thinks.

And be replaced with what?

Democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood of course.


That's Sunni. Hizb Allah and Iran would never allow that--expect a proxy civil war topple any MB-allied regime.
 
2013-08-26 10:45:26 AM
This is supposedly a picture of the UN vehicle that came under fire.
 
2013-08-26 10:46:22 AM

Click Click D'oh: Good god UN, SUVs?  Really?

If only there were some surplus of more suitable vehicles for driving around in Syria...

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


it's OK, there's a Trojan sticker on the SUV...it's protected.
 
2013-08-26 10:46:34 AM

Ready-set: Assad has to go. And his biatch wife needs to be slapped around a bit, too...Fark what Russia thinks.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-26 10:46:34 AM
Blue and white - you know who else uses blue and white ?

THE JEWS.
 
2013-08-26 10:48:26 AM

Click Click D'oh: The Stealth Hippopotamus: 2) they don't want to look like an armed force

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It's more of a situation of the local widget in charge not fully understanding the danger his men are in.


So either 1 and/or 3?
 
2013-08-26 10:48:59 AM
Snipers? In a farking WAR ZONE?

Shocking!

Could this possibly be the reason that AssadCo was hesitant to allow inspectors into the area in the first place?
 
2013-08-26 10:54:53 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.

Neither is a really good excuse is it? I mean that the fark are they doing with them in the first place? And where did they come from? Some people say they are from Iraq, some say they are from Iran what are the odds the Syrians made them?


The odds are very good that Syria makes them. Syria has a small, homegrown arms industry, and manufacturing sarin is something that a few Japanese religious fanatics managed. They have them because they're a non-signatory to the international treaty banning them, because they make very effective battlefield weapons. They originally got them from the Soviets.
 
2013-08-26 10:56:52 AM

Click Click D'oh: Good god UN, SUVs?  Really?

If only there were some surplus of more suitable vehicles for driving around in Syria...

[460x276 from http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/25/13 64238522180/American-MRAP-vehicles-in-010.jpg image 460x276]


It was an armored SUV, and it did its job; nobody got hurt.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:08 AM
Great, the American tax payers get to liberate another country.
 
2013-08-26 10:58:22 AM
Have John Kerry and his slow thinking sidekick Chuck Hagel decided that the US needs to spend money on Syria ?

I read that they appear willing to meddle in Syrias civil war now.     How nice.     More debt for the US to incur.

/just say no
//let the EU spend
///not our turn
 
2013-08-26 10:58:27 AM
Is Trojan a UN sponsor?
 
2013-08-26 10:59:44 AM

ArkPanda: mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.

I don't think so.  Military forces usually keep very close tabs on these kind of "special weapons".  I can't imagine them being released and used without permission.  Especially since in this case they've already been warned a couple of times.


WESTERN military forces do that. I'm not talking about a company commander, I'm talking about a brigadier or a divisional commander, who would have the authority to use any assets he has. I'm just trying to explain why Assad and his cabinet would authorize something like this, when they're winning and they want to avoid international interference. It makes sense only if someone overstepped his authority at a lower level for tactical reasons.
 
2013-08-26 11:04:31 AM

Your Company's Computer Guy: Is Trojan a UN sponsor?


I can just imagine it: "This Resolution is brought to you by Trojan, official sponsor of the United Nations!"
 
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2013-08-26 11:12:27 AM
Am I the only one who finds the term "sniper" to be just as annoying as "assault rifle"?
 
2013-08-26 11:15:25 AM

mbillips: ArkPanda: mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.

I don't think so.  Military forces usually keep very close tabs on these kind of "special weapons".  I can't imagine them being released and used without permission.  Especially since in this case they've already been warned a couple of times.

WESTERN military forces do that. I'm not talking about a company commander, I'm talking about a brigadier or a divisional commander, who would have the authority to use any assets he has. I'm just trying to explain why Assad and his cabinet would authorize something like this, when they're winning and they want to avoid international interference. It makes sense only if someone overstepped his authority at a lower level for tactical reasons.


IIRC Soviet forces had very tight controls on those kinds of things too. Of course the Syrian military may have degraded to the point where they're not even on the Soviet model anymore.  Regardless I can't imagine any field commander using chemical weapons without clearance from the top.  A general who decided to do something like that on his own would have to be aware of the strategic consequences of it.
 
2013-08-26 11:18:06 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Now are we talking Marines in Fallujah sniper fire or Hillary in Bosnia sniper fire?


FTA:  Nesirky said one of the cars used by the team was "no longer serviceable" after the shooting, forcing the team to return to a government checkpoint to replace the vehicle.

That sounds pretty real to me. If someone shoots your car up to the point where you can't use it, I'd say that counts as getting shot at. As opposed to being 'somewhere near some people who are shooting'.
 
2013-08-26 11:21:39 AM
images4.static-bluray.com
 
2013-08-26 11:22:37 AM

Amos Quito: Snipers? In a farking WAR ZONE?

Shocking!

Could this possibly be the reason that AssadCo was hesitant to allow inspectors into the area in the first place?


You sure it wasn't Mossad snipers?
 
2013-08-26 11:24:04 AM

vygramul: Amos Quito: Snipers? In a farking WAR ZONE?

Shocking!

Could this possibly be the reason that AssadCo was hesitant to allow inspectors into the area in the first place?

You sure it wasn't Mossad snipers?


Maybe it was a private mercenary force hoping to drum up some business by instigating regional instability?
 
2013-08-26 11:26:59 AM

mbillips: ArkPanda: mbillips: I'm getting the sense that some lower-level Syrian commander was tired of his guys getting hit by snipers in areas they'd shelled really hard, and decided, "Hey, I've got these sarin shells, let's use 'em!" I can't imagine the decision was made at the top.

There's also a question of how much conventional ammo the Syrian army has left. They've resorted to dropping land mines from helicopters, so they may be shooting chemical weapons because they're short on HE.

I don't think so.  Military forces usually keep very close tabs on these kind of "special weapons".  I can't imagine them being released and used without permission.  Especially since in this case they've already been warned a couple of times.

WESTERN military forces do that. I'm not talking about a company commander, I'm talking about a brigadierbrigade or a divisional division commander, who would have the authority to use any assets he has. I'm just trying to explain why Assad and his cabinet would authorize something like this, when they're winning and they want to avoid international interference. It makes sense only if someone overstepped his authority at a lower level for tactical reasons.


Fixed it for you.
 
2013-08-26 11:27:06 AM
I knew it... the US is trying to start another civil war to lure the Predators in so we can capture and study them.  I knew it!!
 
2013-08-26 11:27:43 AM

ManicParroT: FTA: Nesirky said one of the cars used by the team was "no longer serviceable" after the shooting, forcing the team to return to a government checkpoint to replace the vehicle.

That sounds pretty real to me. If someone shoots your car up to the point where you can't use it, I'd say that counts as getting shot at. As opposed to being 'somewhere near some people who are shooting'.


Those look like Toyotas.

No longer serviceable could mean the dome light was out.
 
2013-08-26 11:28:52 AM
Reports say that the chemical weapons arrived on homemade rockets, hardly something the Syrian government would use. Besides that, the Syrian government has no real reason to use them, since they're winning.

Most likely it's the rebels or some third party that initiated the incident. However, who did it really doesn't matter much who did it, since the US is starting to get involved.

I mean come on, the US still has little idea about Benghazi, and it concludes (with no evidence) that the attack was done by the Syrian govt?
 
2013-08-26 11:29:04 AM

Somacandra: socodog: Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.

Its a farking war zone. People have been shooting shiat at anything that moves for over half a year. Why do people insist on the most complicated and convoluted explanation?



Not to speak for socodog, but I suspect he was referring to the GAS ATTACK ITSELF when hementioned "false flag".


Here's an interesting article from January, 2013

Hacked e-mails reveal 'Washington approved' plan to stage Syria chemical attack

QUOTE:

"On Saturday, Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.

"One of the e-mails contains a discussion between Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding and Philip Doughty, company founder. In the exchange, it's revealed that there is a plan to unleash chemical weapons in Syria in order to blame it on the Bashar Al Assad regime to justify a direct intervention by U.S. and NATO forces in the country's civil war. The plan, thought up by the government of Qatar according to the e-mail, is "approved by Washington."

END QUOTE


It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time
 
2013-08-26 11:29:59 AM

Your Company's Computer Guy: Is Trojan a UN sponsor?


The SUVs are protected against attacks of gonorrhea and aids.
 
2013-08-26 11:32:03 AM
I can hardly wait for USA: World Police to get involved in another Middle East quagmire.
 
2013-08-26 11:33:31 AM

Amos Quito: Somacandra: socodog: Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.

Its a farking war zone. People have been shooting shiat at anything that moves for over half a year. Why do people insist on the most complicated and convoluted explanation?


Not to speak for socodog, but I suspect he was referring to the GAS ATTACK ITSELF when hementioned "false flag".


Here's an interesting article from January, 2013

Hacked e-mails reveal 'Washington approved' plan to stage Syria chemical attack

QUOTE:

"On Saturday, Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.

"One of the e-mails contains a discussion between Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding and Philip Doughty, company founder. In the exchange, it's revealed that there is a plan to unleash chemical weapons in Syria in order to blame it on the Bashar Al Assad regime to justify a direct intervention by U.S. and NATO forces in the country's civil war. The plan, thought up by the government of Qatar according to the e-mail, is "approved by Washington."

END QUOTE


It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time


The emails that you are referring to were shown to be forgeries - the email headers were cut and pasted
 
2013-08-26 11:34:46 AM
This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.
 
2013-08-26 11:43:50 AM

21-7-b: Amos Quito: Somacandra: socodog: Or it could be a false flag like many experts are saying.

Its a farking war zone. People have been shooting shiat at anything that moves for over half a year. Why do people insist on the most complicated and convoluted explanation?


Not to speak for socodog, but I suspect he was referring to the GAS ATTACK ITSELF when hementioned "false flag".


Here's an interesting article from January, 2013

Hacked e-mails reveal 'Washington approved' plan to stage Syria chemical attack

QUOTE:

"On Saturday, Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.

"One of the e-mails contains a discussion between Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding and Philip Doughty, company founder. In the exchange, it's revealed that there is a plan to unleash chemical weapons in Syria in order to blame it on the Bashar Al Assad regime to justify a direct intervention by U.S. and NATO forces in the country's civil war. The plan, thought up by the government of Qatar according to the e-mail, is "approved by Washington."

END QUOTE


It goes on.

Make of it what you will, but considering the date - January 28, 2013, it would appear to be: A) A stunning coincidence; B) A modern day prophecy, or ; C) Evidence that a CW false flag op had been in the works for some time

The emails that you are referring to were shown to be forgeries - the email headers were cut and pasted



So you're going with  prophecy, then?
 
2013-08-26 11:44:33 AM

Deep Contact: This is perfect. One side blames the other when it could be a 3rd party sniping.
Anything for a new war.
Sick of it.


The uprising in Syria began two and a half years ago and has torn the country to bits. You can't claim there is some rush to jump into a war here
 
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