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2013-08-26 09:33:24 AM
Why do we always have to do something? How come no other countries see this as a problem? Let France go in there and surrender all over them or something. Sick of us sticking our nose where it does not belong.
 
2013-08-26 09:34:36 AM

rkiller1: So the US is going to bomb people to save lives?


It's what Jesus would do.
 
2013-08-26 09:35:34 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Outrageous Muff: When you wake up in the morning do you change your tinfoil hat then or wait until after you shower?

Please, the hat is for traveling. The walls and windows are lined with it so normal apartment use can be done.


What if the transmitter is inside the apartment?
 
2013-08-26 09:35:45 AM

amundb: Why do we always have to do something? How come no other countries see this as a problem? Let France go in there and surrender all over them or something. Sick of us sticking our nose where it does not belong.


France's media isn't run by middle-easterners.
 
2013-08-26 09:37:01 AM

freak7: Attacking Syria is okay because Obama is President, had Bush done it, Democrats would be losing their farking minds.


Outrage seems to be spread equally over party lines. Much to the dismay of those who'd like you to keep fighting among yourselves, i'm sure.
 
2013-08-26 09:37:57 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Outrageous Muff: When you wake up in the morning do you change your tinfoil hat then or wait until after you shower?

Please, the hat is for traveling. The walls and windows are lined with it so normal apartment use can be done.


In my world we call it a Faraday cage.
 
2013-08-26 09:37:57 AM

TheGreatGazoo: Can we just bomb the government and the rebel camps?  Then maybe the people will rise up and come up with a decent government.


Nope. Take out those two, then whichever third party that has the ambition and is also the most savage and ruthless will rise to power by cutting down anyone who opposes them, including those who could probably govern better. Tis the way it has always been.
 
2013-08-26 09:38:13 AM

SuperChuck: IdBeCrazyIf: Outrageous Muff: When you wake up in the morning do you change your tinfoil hat then or wait until after you shower?

Please, the hat is for traveling. The walls and windows are lined with it so normal apartment use can be done.

What if the transmitter is inside the apartment?


Are you trying to make his mind explode?
 
2013-08-26 09:38:38 AM

Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks


A bunch of Libyans would probably have a thing or two to say about these alleged "doves" if they weren't already dead.
 
2013-08-26 09:38:48 AM

utah dude: Outrageous Muff: It will be based in Jordan and will only secure the chemical weapons sites. That's it. Now what Turkey does is up in the air.

turkeys can't fly,dumbass.


WILD Turkeys sure can.  ;)
 
2013-08-26 09:38:49 AM
It will be a symbolic move, cruise missiles vs a few warehouses. My gut says Obama just wants to delay the real fight until the next presidency, he's only got a couple years then it's not his problem. I think he's hoping a republican has to deal with it cause then he gets this nice legacy of peace sandwiched between two presidencies heavy with conflict. ( drones don't count because they don't make the news/history books like bombings and tanks do )
 
2013-08-26 09:39:18 AM
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke
 
2013-08-26 09:39:54 AM

Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks


Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.
 
2013-08-26 09:40:14 AM

Outrageous Muff: mbillips: Ahem? Global Force for Good? C'mon, it's 100,000 tons, four acres of sovereign U.S. territory that doesn't require a permission slip to operate anywhere it dang well pleases. You know who did all the initial air strikes in Afghanistan in 2001? Wasn't the dang Air Force, that's for sure.

Yup, because the Army hasn't been training to secure chem sites in Jordan for four months and have set up a base for 20,000 soldiers.


Those are Patriot batteries, and an F-16 squadron, and a total of 900 troops (where do you get that ridiculous 20k number from? Pravda?) We're not sending any ground troops into Syria. We had a few thousand there in June for an annual multilateral exercise with Jordan and 18 other militaries, but they've all left except for the aforementioned defensive troops.
 
2013-08-26 09:41:25 AM
At least Fox News can finally switch over from bleating about "why doesn't Obama act  in Syria!" to "why did Obama act in Syria!" for a change.
 
2013-08-26 09:41:55 AM

urbangirl: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke


One persons good is another's evil.

neversubmit
 
2013-08-26 09:42:16 AM

urbangirl: utah dude: Outrageous Muff: It will be based in Jordan and will only secure the chemical weapons sites. That's it. Now what Turkey does is up in the air.

turkeys can't fly,dumbass.

maybe so, but if you drop one from a jet, it WILL definitely fall.


It's flying downward.
 
2013-08-26 09:42:17 AM

Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks


what will be funny is that all of the GOP in congress demanding action in Syria now will do a 180 as soon as the bombs start to drop and start talking about what a mess he made.
 
2013-08-26 09:42:42 AM

mbillips: manimal2878: It's a no-win situation.

Either we are helping the military which overthrew a democratic government or a Islamist extremist that used the veil of democracy to attempt the creation of a theocracy.

At the most somebody from the UN should blow up the chemical weapon sites, it doesn't even need to be us.  We shouldn't try to create a democracy, or nation build, or fix any infrasturcuter.

You're describing Egypt, not Syria. Go stand in the corner, and put this dunce cap on.


Hmmm, yes, you are right.  I will indeed be in the corner.
 
2013-08-26 09:42:57 AM
They will love all the freedom we'll be flinging at them. Preferably with drones.
 
2013-08-26 09:43:06 AM

amundb: Why do we always have to do something? How come no other countries see this as a problem? Let France go in there and surrender all over them or something. Sick of us sticking our nose where it does not belong.


Pay attention, son, I say, pay attention. Britain and France led the way in Libya, with our quite considerable air support. You're going to be hearing a lot about Syria in the next month, and it's going to involve NATO and especially Turkey taking the lead, again with our quite considerable air support. And Russia is gonna FREAK (my personal experience talking to Russian soldiers is that they're OK with the US, but they freakin' HATE NATO (probably because Germany is in NATO).
 
2013-08-26 09:43:06 AM

Outrageous Muff: It will be based in Jordan and will only secure the chemical weapons sites. That's it. Now what Turkey does is up in the air.


And these sites, are they written on top of the buildings so that Google maps can pick them up?
 
2013-08-26 09:43:19 AM
I'm as pacifist as they come but at some particular point I think we need to just go all Iron Man on them. Destroy military infrastructure, chemical weapons and then just walk away and let them sort out their own problems.
 
2013-08-26 09:43:23 AM

Nadie_AZ: SuperChuck: IdBeCrazyIf: Outrageous Muff: When you wake up in the morning do you change your tinfoil hat then or wait until after you shower?

Please, the hat is for traveling. The walls and windows are lined with it so normal apartment use can be done.

What if the transmitter is inside the apartment?

Are you trying to make his mind explode?


what if the transmitter was actually an implant in his head?
 
2013-08-26 09:43:47 AM

mbillips: manimal2878: It's a no-win situation.

Either we are helping the military which overthrew a democratic government or a Islamist extremist that used the veil of democracy to attempt the creation of a theocracy.

At the most somebody from the UN should blow up the chemical weapon sites, it doesn't even need to be us.  We shouldn't try to create a democracy, or nation build, or fix any infrasturcuter.

You're describing Egypt, not Syria. Go stand in the corner, and put this dunce cap on.


To be fair, Syria is also a no-win situation.
 
2013-08-26 09:43:55 AM
He'll get a UN resolution right? Just like he did in Libya? Right?
Its like if neo nazis and the kkk were going at it, who's side do you step in on or do you let them duke it out then take out the survivor?
 
2013-08-26 09:44:02 AM

trotsky: They will love all the freedom we'll be flinging at them. Preferably with drones.


Freedom is delivered from approximately 5 miles away and comes in 18 pound packages
 
2013-08-26 09:44:45 AM
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2013-08-26 09:45:19 AM
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2013-08-26 09:45:36 AM
I know.. lets send in planes to the third most heavily network air defense.  You know.. the one with missles that can go 100k feet in the air.

And no Russians will be keen to test any stealth detection equipment.....
 
2013-08-26 09:46:15 AM

Nemo's Brother: Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks

Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.


I still support those (Bush) and these (Obama) actions no matter who the figure head. These things must be done, I don't expect most people to understand.
 
2013-08-26 09:47:53 AM
It's lose-lose, and I'm extremely doubtful that Syria used chemical weapons. They're winning, support hasn't materialized for the rebels, and the UN was in the country when this happened. It makes no sense for Assad to have done it.
 
2013-08-26 09:48:10 AM

Joe Blowme: He'll get a UN resolution right? Just like he did in Libya? Right?
Its like if neo nazis and the kkk were going at it, who's side do you step in on or do you let them duke it out then take out the survivor?


per NPR (not that i listen to NPR) there's not much of a chance with the UN since China and Russia would likely veto.
 
2013-08-26 09:48:55 AM

TheGreatGazoo: Then maybe the people will rise up and come up with a decent government.


If that's really what we want: enable the regular folks to get out of the way and live while the extreme sides insist on killing each other.  Invest heavily in making the "refugee camps" livable and attractive, and teach the Syrians there to govern themselves from the bottom up - i.e. help them peacefully decide what a "decent government" looks like - rather than rely on exertion of power from the top down.  Then whenever the war zone settles down, these people can move back in and take over.
 
2013-08-26 09:49:05 AM

mbillips: amundb: Why do we always have to do something? How come no other countries see this as a problem? Let France go in there and surrender all over them or something. Sick of us sticking our nose where it does not belong.

Pay attention, son, I say, pay attention. Britain and France led the way in Libya, with our quite considerable air support. You're going to be hearing a lot about Syria in the next month, and it's going to involve NATO and especially Turkey taking the lead, again with our quite considerable air support. And Russia is gonna FREAK (my personal experience talking to Russian soldiers is that they're OK with the US, but they freakin' HATE NATO (probably because Germany is in NATO).


Didn't know we were the only country with planes.

//The more you know
 
2013-08-26 09:49:34 AM
Over a million Americans died in the US Civil War.  I don't recall Syria bombing us to save lives.
 
2013-08-26 09:49:36 AM
Hold your breath and bomb the chemicals, that'll teach them. Unless ...
 
2013-08-26 09:49:58 AM

Nadie_AZ: It seems likely that President Obama will bomb Syria sometime in the coming weeks.

I would love to go for a few years without this country exporting its top product overseas.

If Obama does use force in Syria, he will do so because of clear evidence that Assad's regime has killed lots of civilians with chemical weapons. Two considerations will likely drive his decision, if it comes to that. First, he has drawn a "red line" on this issue, publicly, at least five times in the last year, and failure to follow through-especially after the latest revelations-would send confusing signals, at best, about U.S. resolve and credibility. Second, failure to respond would erode, perhaps obliterate, the taboo that the international community has placed on chemical weapons (especially nerve gas) since the end of World War I. I suspect that this factor may be more pertinent to Obama, who takes the issue of international norms very seriously.

Why are we getting involved again? Because our President couldn't shut up and feels like he has to act? No, that's not reason enough. Nor is it reason enough that a country in the middle of a civil war is basically throwing the kitchen sink at each other for survival.


The problem I have is that anyone could smuggle in some chemicals and release it.  Why should that trigger a retaliation>?
 
2013-08-26 09:53:40 AM

neversubmit: Nemo's Brother: Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks

Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.

I still support those (Bush) and these (Obama) actions no matter who the figure head. These things must be done, I don't expect most people to understand.


You don't see that all of these wars and skirmishes in the Middle East stem from us meddling in the 70s when we shouldn't have?  Actually, you can argue that the Brits and French caused all of this with their meddling and artificial border drawing.  The Middle Easterners, being the racist savages that they are, are simply unable to share borders with people of a slightly different ethnicity or take on the same religion.
 
2013-08-26 09:54:52 AM

neversubmit: Nemo's Brother: Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks

Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.

I still support those (Bush) and these (Obama) actions no matter who the figure head. These things must be done, I don't expect most people to understand.


What, pray tell, is the end game? How do we win here with intervention?
 
2013-08-26 09:56:53 AM
"attack"??

This is like "coup", right?
 
2013-08-26 09:56:56 AM
What will it look like? Smoked Mackerel fired by an Arleigh Burke-class gun.
 
2013-08-26 09:58:52 AM

Nutsac_Jim: I know.. lets send in planes to the third most heavily network air defense.  You know.. the one with missles that can go 100k feet in the air.

And no Russians will be keen to test any stealth detection equipment.....


Meh. The previous third-best was in a little place called Iraq, in 1991. SAMs only work when they light off radar, and when they do that, they are big, immobile targets for HARM missiles. EA-18s take out the big SAMs with jamming and anti-radiation missiles, then B-2s and Tomahawks kill all the comm centers, and poof! No more networked air defense, just a bunch of locally directed SAM sites waiting to be killed. See the Bekaa Valley in 1982.

If Syria had a credible interceptor force, they could combine that with ground-based air defense to create a real problem, but they had only about 400 fighters and attack jets before the civil war, and half of those were Vietnam-era MiG 21s. Many of those are believed to be out of action by now.

If Turkey decided to take out Syria's air force, they wouldn't have much trouble doing it. They build their own F-16s and have modern AWACs. They're probably the fourth-most capable force in NATO, after the US, Britain and France.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:11 AM

Nemo's Brother: neversubmit: Nemo's Brother: Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks

Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.

I still support those (Bush) and these (Obama) actions no matter who the figure head. These things must be done, I don't expect most people to understand.

You don't see that all of these wars and skirmishes in the Middle East stem from us meddling in the 70s when we shouldn't have?  Actually, you can argue that the Brits and French caused all of this with their meddling and artificial border drawing.  The Middle Easterners, being the racist savages that they are, are simply unable to share borders with people of a slightly different ethnicity or take on the same religion.


They did pretty well for centuries under the Ottoman Empire.

The French and English f*cked up the region and then the kick in the balls was a certain crazy guy in Saudi Arabia who was super devout got power right before this little thing called 'oil' was discovered. Crazy power plus wealth == recipe for batsh*t insanity.

He didn't export democracy. He exported fanaticism. And having Mecca in your nation is a pretty big deal.

The US came along a bit later and tried to play with the pieces already on the board.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:15 AM
Doesn't Syria have an extremely sophisticated and modern air defense system? Aren't they also getting new missiles from Russia and China that were pretty much designed to shoot down American planes?

I don't see this ending as well as Kosovo or Libya.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:18 AM

Nemo's Brother: neversubmit: Nemo's Brother: Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks

Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.

I still support those (Bush) and these (Obama) actions no matter who the figure head. These things must be done, I don't expect most people to understand.

What, pray tell, is the end game? How do we win here with intervention?


Chaos. Israel wants chaos in its neighbors, doesn't care how, just chaos. And what Israel wants, we do, that's what AIPAC pays all of our leaders for. Anyone wants to buck, and forget the money they picked up, well, they can deal with the media.

AIPAC are the bagmen, media are the legbreakers. Stranglehold. More war for Israel.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:20 AM

Nutsac_Jim: The problem I have is that anyone could smuggle in some chemicals and release it. Why should that trigger a retaliation>?


I doubt anyone puts the opposition forces above a false flag operation, or believes them unable to aquire the weapons. Also a good reason for the US maintain an arms length from actual intervention. If European governments want to punish the regime, have at them. We have new and slightly used drones, tanks, aircraft, and all manner of lethal  weaponry to sell at prices that won't bust the Pocketbook of Austerity.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:39 AM

Nemo's Brother: neversubmit: Nemo's Brother: Onkel Buck: Im just going to enjoy watching all of Barrys supportive doves turn into hawks

Some will just vanish for a while.  A large number of the usual Total Farkers have been very silent about Obama lately.

I still support those (Bush) and these (Obama) actions no matter who the figure head. These things must be done, I don't expect most people to understand.

You don't see that all of these wars and skirmishes in the Middle East stem from us meddling in the 70s when we shouldn't have?  Actually, you can argue that the Brits and French caused all of this with their meddling and artificial border drawing.  The Middle Easterners, being the racist savages that they are, are simply unable to share borders with people of a slightly different ethnicity or take on the same religion.


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2013-08-26 10:02:16 AM

xenophon10k: What will it look like? Smoked Mackerel fired by an Arleigh Burke-class gun.


/Tiny fist.
 
2013-08-26 10:05:03 AM
If the US feels compelled to do something, may I suggest sending in half a dozen of those stealth choppers, take out (or capture) the key figures in the Syrian govt. and then get out? That's how he got OBL.

I don't usually approve of that sort of thing, but gassing your own populace kinda changes the rules, IMO.
 
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