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(Some Guy)   Raleigh, NC PD wants you to know that whoevereth broughteth 100 sausage biscuits to the poor shall goeth to jail. Enjoyeth thy stuffing   (lovewins.info) divider line 134
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2013-08-26 08:14:51 AM

Bendal: Our mayor, Nancy McFarlane, is meeting today with the PD and the homeless assistance groups to find out wtf was going on; she doesn't recall there being an ordinance against feeding the homeless in that park, considering it's been done for months previously with no problems.


The churches have done this for six years without problem from the police.

I highly doubt it was a decision by the police at all, much less the actual ones showing up to enforce it.

By all means go off about 'just following orders' or whatever, but this is an issue with lazy voters putting assholes in charge. If people spent half the time they waste biatching about pigs and devoted it to political activism we would be in a much better place.
 
2013-08-26 08:15:07 AM

Nemo's Brother: Unlike this group, Occupy was ridden with drug dealers, thieves and rapists.


3/10

Cmon man, make an effort at least
 
2013-08-26 08:17:01 AM

ur14me: LeoffDaGrate: You would think after before that wonderfully detailed blog post and account, someone would have used that thing called the internet to look up the city's ordinances, instead of just complaining that they didn't know what laws they may or may not have been breaking.

1/10.

You would think that if the church folks were truly committed to their charity, they would have proceeded to hand out the food, consequences be damned.

But, no: Suzie Saint and Bob Baptist didn't want to go to jail over 100 biscuits and coffee.

Oh Rosa Parks: where art thou?


I was surprised they didn't.

But I won't say they don't care about the homeless because they wouldn't get arrested.
 
2013-08-26 08:17:29 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: browser_snake: Moral outrage test:

You can't give those sausage biscuits to the homeless because:


1. There's a city ordinance against doing it in the park - OUTRAGE
2. Sausage biscuits are unhealthy and cause obesity - THIS IS OK
3. The biscuit dough is made from GMO wheat flour - APPLAUSE


1. Don't feed the homeless from my tax dollars.  Taxation is theft.  Let them rely on charities.
2. Don't let the charities feed the homeless.  They're icky and we don't want them around.
3. Let them bootstrap themselves into a job.
4. WHAR JOBS JERB CREATORS OBAMA WHAR?


This seemed relevant:

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2013-08-26 08:23:18 AM

Copper Spork: HindiDiscoMonster: quite right... if we just make homelessness illegal, they will all go away.

It's illegal to provide material support to terrorists. It doesn't end terrorism, but it does substantially reduce it.


oh great, yet another troll.

Has there been a heatwave in the US lately, cause it seems these are breeding like flies in the past few weeks.
 
2013-08-26 08:28:10 AM
Jeebus didn't say nothing about feeding the hungry.

/loves me some old timey religion
 
2013-08-26 08:32:10 AM

Copper Spork: How is this any different from banning people from feeding rats and seagulls? It's a public health issue, and they are quite right to ban unsanitary behaviour.


RTFA  ; they clean up after themselves
 
2013-08-26 08:32:56 AM
100 sausage biscuits?

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2013-08-26 08:33:56 AM

Bendal: Our mayor, Nancy McFarlane, is meeting today with the PD and the homeless assistance groups to find out wtf was going on; she doesn't recall there being an ordinance against feeding the homeless in that park, considering it's been done for months previously with no problems.


I hope the jerks who pushed for this, all the way down to the line officers who enforced an illegal order, are held to account.
 
2013-08-26 08:34:10 AM

BummerDuck: Just like feeding Bears....Don't do it....The animals become dependent on your handouts.


just like any nimby anyone poorer than you is an animal
 
2013-08-26 08:34:51 AM
Our partner church brought 100 sausage biscuits and large amounts of coffee. We asked the officers for permission to disperse the biscuits to the over 70 people who had lined up, waiting to eat. They said no. I had to face those who were waiting and tell them that I could not feed them, or I would be arrested.

/You know what? fark that shiat. All the volunteers should have started handing out food and been arrested in mass. What would they do? Call in the state police? The national guard? Just because they were trying to feed a few folk? Any judge would have thrown that shiat out if they had been arrested. What a load of bullshiat.
 
2013-08-26 08:35:15 AM

cajunns: RTFA ; they clean up after themselves


What, homeless people? Not in my experience. They leave their trash lying around, poop on doorsteps and don't dispose of their needles properly.
 
2013-08-26 08:38:34 AM

cajunns: Copper Spork: How is this any different from banning people from feeding rats and seagulls? It's a public health issue, and they are quite right to ban unsanitary behaviour.

RTFA  ; they clean up after themselves


Well, in all fairness, that was the organizers. They clean up after themselves. But what about the 100 homeless people? Dropping crumbs everywhere (which, ironically, draw rats and pigeons/seagulls!), throwing wrappers and coffee cups on the ground, etc. For all we know the neighbors nearby complained because of the mess, and the cops finally had enough.
 
2013-08-26 08:39:13 AM

Bendal: Our mayor, Nancy McFarlane, is meeting today with the PD and the homeless assistance groups to find out wtf was going on; she doesn't recall there being an ordinance against feeding the homeless in that park, considering it's been done for months previously with no problems.


It won't be an "ordinance against feeding the homeless in the park"  If any arrests are made it will be for something like not having a permit for park use, or causing a disturbance on public property, or blocking the sidewalk and right of way.

Between things like this, the cops in NYC whining about not being able to keep doing unconstitutional searches, and the one cop whining that he can't patrol his "sector" without a machine gun because the suburbs are a war zone just like Afghanistan, it gets harder to convince myself that cop hate is irrational and childish.
 
2013-08-26 08:42:13 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: /You know what? fark that shiat. All the volunteers should have started handing out food and been arrested in mass. What would they do? Call in the state police? The national guard? Just because they were trying to feed a few folk? Any judge would have thrown that shiat out if they had been arrested. What a load of bullshiat.


I wonder how you'd feel if they were handing out ammunition to the poor (which is protected by the constitution) instead of food (which is not).
 
2013-08-26 08:42:54 AM

Copper Spork: Bit'O'Gristle: /You know what? fark that shiat. All the volunteers should have started handing out food and been arrested in mass. What would they do? Call in the state police? The national guard? Just because they were trying to feed a few folk? Any judge would have thrown that shiat out if they had been arrested. What a load of bullshiat.

I wonder how you'd feel if they were handing out ammunition to the poor (which is protected by the constitution) instead of food (which is not).


/Seriously? thats what youre bringing to the table? Facepalm..you can do better than that.
 
2013-08-26 08:43:24 AM

ilikeracecars: I'm not condoning the police behavior, but is there a chance they don't want the homeless congregating in that area waiting for a free meal, or is that a spot in Raleigh where there are already a large amount of homeless?


The homeless have as much right to be there as anyone.
 
2013-08-26 08:46:24 AM

Lost Thought 00: Some rich Nimby complained, so the police intervened


Winner.
 
2013-08-26 08:48:24 AM

farkmedown: I hope the jerks who pushed for this, all the way down to the line officers who enforced an illegal order, are held to account.


How do you know it was an illegal order? There are plenty of laws in various places restricting both food distribution and creating large disturbances with large numbers of people, sidewalk/street blocking, blocking entrances to buildings, potentially interfering with emergency services... you name it. (and no, I am not arguing in favor of them, I am saying they are laws passed by elected officials which are not unconstitutional).

As for holding line officers to account, do you believe they should be held to account in every instance in which something they do is found to unconstitutional?  Because as clear-cut as the average farker thinks the law is, we still see most surpreme court rulings split.  Are we truly going to hold cops to a higher standard of legal understanding than a supreme court judge? In a 5-4 decision that means 4 of them "got it wrong", and they have weeks to sit around and pontificate on things.  Cops have to decide at the time whether an action that is on the fence comes down on one side or the other.
 
2013-08-26 08:49:10 AM

ilikeracecars: I'm not condoning the police behavior, but is there a chance they don't want the homeless congregating in that area waiting for a free meal, or is that a spot in Raleigh where there are already a large amount of homeless?


Same thing happens in our city. The church wants to use the public park to hand out food, (because handing it out at their church would attract homeless people to the church?)

Meanwhile, a few blocks away, there is an actual homeless shelter. It is crowded, and there is not much parking, but you can deliver meals there without breaking any laws.

Don't know about North Carolina, but I assume they have homeless shelters?
 
2013-08-26 08:50:07 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: ilikeracecars: I'm not condoning the police behavior, but is there a chance they don't want the homeless congregating in that area waiting for a free meal, or is that a spot in Raleigh where there are already a large amount of homeless?

The homeless have as much right to be there as anyone.


There is one homeless lady who actually lives in the bushes like a Keebler elf. She sports the Nelly band-aid on her cheek too and guards her leafy lair with a baseball bat. She may have a right to be there, but she should really be in a hospital
 
2013-08-26 08:50:33 AM
All the farki hate for this group cannot be because they're helping the poor; it must be because they're affiliated with churches
 
2013-08-26 08:50:36 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: /You know what? fark that shiat. All the volunteers should have started handing out food and been arrested in mass. What would they do? Call in the state police? The national guard? Just because they were trying to feed a few folk? Any judge would have thrown that shiat out if they had been arrested. What a load of bullshiat.


70 people came to eat.  How many volunteers do you think they brought to pass out 100 cups of coffee and 100 sausage biscuits?

I'm sure cops could handily arrest the five people or so who showed up with the food.  I'm also sure that even if those volunteers wanted to protest the injust laws, the correct response is to allow yourself to be arrested and not to resist.  No need to call in the national guard.
 
2013-08-26 08:53:12 AM

Onkel Buck: There is one homeless lady who actually lives in the bushes like a Keebler elf. She sports the Nelly band-aid on her cheek too and guards her leafy lair with a baseball bat. She may have a right to be there, but she should really be in a hospital


I have no idea why, the be nelly band aid part has me laughing harder than I should
 
2013-08-26 08:55:15 AM

Certainly You Jest: ilikeracecars: I'm not condoning the police behavior, but is there a chance they don't want the homeless congregating in that area waiting for a free meal, or is that a spot in Raleigh where there are already a large amount of homeless?

Moore Square downtown is the most well-known place in Raleigh where homeless people congregate.

I doubt the mayor had a thing to do with it; more likely a Raleigh PD thing.  Though I'm sure it pleases the governor greatly, I doubt he had anything to do with it either.  It's just yet more "I've got mine, so fark you".

Pissing on the poor is practically the national pastime for these oh-so-christian scumbags.


It was Christians feeding the poor, but don't let the facts get in the way of your hate. Feel the hate flow through you!

Troll the PD and Politicians regarding this but being Christian had nothing to do with it, so knock it off.
 
2013-08-26 08:58:01 AM
My church has one of the food trucks that you normally associate with construction sites that sells sandwiches, some hot items and soda.  Well, we do just that but we don't sell it, and we go feed homeless and hungry people.  We give away socks and gloves in the winter etc.  We had to get a permit from the very liberal city of Minneapolis to operate there.  We could not state that we are feeding or caring or providing for the "homeless",  had we used that term we would have been denied a permit to operate.  The city doesn't want to acknowledge the homeless and officially the city doesn't refer to those who live under the bridges as homeless. In fact MPLS discourages us from using that most accurate term when the press asks us for reports on our mission.  By the way, we don't preach or teach out there either. We just provide help.
 
2013-08-26 08:59:23 AM

BummerDuck: Just like feeding Bears....Don't do it....The animals become dependent on your handouts.


If you keep feeding the homeless, they'll never learn to fly south for the winter.
 
2013-08-26 09:02:41 AM

Arkanaut


BummerDuck: Just like feeding Bears....Don't do it....The animals become dependent on your handouts.

If you keep feeding the homeless, they'll never learn to fly south for the winter.


And if you touch them, the mother will not let them back into the nest.
 
2013-08-26 09:04:40 AM

Onkel Buck: There is one homeless lady who actually lives in the bushes like a Keebler elf. She sports the Nelly band-aid on her cheek too and guards her leafy lair with a baseball bat. She may have a right to be there, but she should really be in a hospital


Sylvan elf druid?  Leave her the hell alone.  She doesn't need a hospital; she can do her own healing.
 
2013-08-26 09:07:19 AM

Copper Spork: Bit'O'Gristle: /You know what? fark that shiat. All the volunteers should have started handing out food and been arrested in mass. What would they do? Call in the state police? The national guard? Just because they were trying to feed a few folk? Any judge would have thrown that shiat out if they had been arrested. What a load of bullshiat.

I wonder how you'd feel if they were handing out ammunition to the poor (which is protected by the constitution) instead of food (which is not).


i like that idea
 
2013-08-26 09:10:44 AM

HighlanderRPI: They should be arrested for bringing sausage & biscuits, but no gravy


This
 
2013-08-26 09:17:01 AM

BummerDuck: Just like feeding Bears....Don't do it....The animals become dependent on your handouts.


Too bad they weren't all born with your dad. Then, they could just ask for a "loan".
 
2013-08-26 09:18:22 AM

Smackledorfer: farkmedown: I hope the jerks who pushed for this, all the way down to the line officers who enforced an illegal order, are held to account.

How do you know it was an illegal order? There are plenty of laws in various places restricting both food distribution and creating large disturbances with large numbers of people, sidewalk/street blocking, blocking entrances to buildings, potentially interfering with emergency services... you name it. (and no, I am not arguing in favor of them, I am saying they are laws passed by elected officials which are not unconstitutional).

As for holding line officers to account, do you believe they should be held to account in every instance in which something they do is found to unconstitutional?  Because as clear-cut as the average farker thinks the law is, we still see most surpreme court rulings split.  Are we truly going to hold cops to a higher standard of legal understanding than a supreme court judge? In a 5-4 decision that means 4 of them "got it wrong", and they have weeks to sit around and pontificate on things.  Cops have to decide at the time whether an action that is on the fence comes down on one side or the other.


Cops must strive to be paragons of virtue. Otherwise we have things like "legal" home invasions with SWAT and loss of all pets.
 
2013-08-26 09:32:31 AM

ilikeracecars: I'm not condoning the police behavior, but is there a chance they don't want the homeless congregating in that area waiting for a free meal, or is that a spot in Raleigh where there are already a large amount of homeless?


So, no right to peacefully assemble if you're hungry and poor?
 
2013-08-26 09:32:44 AM
"OK, fine. I'M GOING TO THROW THESE SANDWICHES AND COFFEE IN THOSE TRASH CANS!"

Homeless - *wink OK.

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2013-08-26 09:44:16 AM

farkmedown: Cops must strive to be paragons of virtue


I don't know about "paragons of virtue", but they should certainly strive to do what's right.  That said I suggest you take your blinders off and realize that not everyone agrees on what is right.  At this point I personally feel that police should be serving the will of the people first, and their personal morality second.

The problem with doing it any other way is that if cops have the same views, on average, as the population they serve, then for every cop who chooses to put his personal views first and not follow a particular law there will probably be a cop who will do the opposite and feel it should be even more strongly enforced - perhaps they won't actually break the law in order to reach that point of extra-enforcement (though judging by how many cops break the law now, I rather doubt we can make that assumption) but they will certainly be willing to throw policy aside.

All a policy of "cops should do what they want, not what they are told" will result in is cops on average doing what the population wants, while adding a huge amount of variability to enforcement.  That is bad for both citizens and cops.  That policy is also what leads, imo, so many cops to break the law in order to get the bad guy.  No, I don't want them making those decisions.

farkmedown: we have things like "legal" home invasions with SWAT and loss of all pets.


Well, there are legal home invasions, and justifiable killing of pets, and then there are cops who will stretch the truth and lie in order to follow their personal morality, leading to a "legal" home invasion and a loss of pets.

And, I should probably remind you, that the average cop is probably more authoritarian than the average citizen simply by way of the volunteer nature of joining the police force.  But if you think telling those people (who I do believe joined up with the intent to do good, fwiw) they should follow their hearts, don't be surprised with what you get. The guy who tases someone for damn-near nothing probably thinks the subject deserves it - I don't want the guy with the taser going off his own morality on that one.
 
2013-08-26 09:46:26 AM

BummerDuck: Just like feeding Bears....Don't do it....The animals become dependent on your handouts.


And if they get agressive the Cops just shoot them.
 
2013-08-26 09:50:26 AM

CRtwenty: Copper Spork: How is this any different from banning people from feeding rats and seagulls? It's a public health issue, and they are quite right to ban unsanitary behaviour.

0/10, way too obvious


My thoughts exactly.
 
2013-08-26 09:50:38 AM

farkmedown: I hope the jerks who pushed for this, all the way down to the line officers who enforced an illegal order, are held to account.


They should make them feed the homeless.
 
2013-08-26 09:52:53 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Your out.


Lacking a fourth-grade education is no way to go through life, son.
 
2013-08-26 09:55:06 AM
Public pressure should fix this accordingly. Direct your rage to the Mayor and watch how fast those biscuits get handed back out...
 
2013-08-26 09:56:04 AM

flynn80: farkmedown: I hope the jerks who pushed for this, all the way down to the line officers who enforced an illegal order, are held to account.

They should make them feed the homeless.


Now that is not a bad way to punish police who make the wrong call regarding things like 4th amendment protections.  Community service.  Get them closer to their community and have them learn not to make the same mistakes twice without having a punishment high enough that they lie to avoid the firing that so many people would call for.

In the case of police farking up, there are usually only a couple outcomes: one is that they get fired and sued, the other is that they get virtually no punishment at all.  The former happening because the punishments for a cop screwing up and it being proven are quite high, while the latter occurs because obviously if the cop's screwup isn't proven then you cannot really penalize them.  I suspect a lower bar for the punishment-if-proven would result in a weaker thin blue line because you wouldn't be worried that your coworker of ten years loses his house and everything else over a mistake.
 
2013-08-26 09:56:07 AM
Christians doing something good. Mark this one down.
 
2013-08-26 09:56:12 AM

Copper Spork: How is this any different from banning people from feeding rats and seagulls? It's a public health issue, and they are quite right to ban unsanitary behaviour.


A local town used to have city-wide pigeon shoots.  I imagine that gives you what you think is a good idea.
 
2013-08-26 09:57:48 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: 100 sausage biscuits?

[500x375 from http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/doctor-who-tacos.png image 500x375]


And you just KNOW that I read that, out loud, in CBG's voice.

God bless Hank Azaria.
 
2013-08-26 09:58:03 AM
The homeless have been hanging out in that park and around the nearby bus station for years. People have been coming out on weekends to feed them for years as well. I'm going to have to with the bagger Governor theory as to why it's a problem all of a sudden. Breathing while not rich, white and Republican will soon be against the law in NC.
 
2013-08-26 09:59:25 AM

Smackledorfer: flynn80: farkmedown: I hope the jerks who pushed for this, all the way down to the line officers who enforced an illegal order, are held to account.

They should make them feed the homeless.

Now that is not a bad way to punish police who make the wrong call regarding things like 4th amendment protections.  Community service.  Get them closer to their community and have them learn not to make the same mistakes twice without having a punishment high enough that they lie to avoid the firing that so many people would call for.

In the case of police farking up, there are usually only a couple outcomes: one is that they get fired and sued, the other is that they get virtually no punishment at all.  The former happening because the punishments for a cop screwing up and it being proven are quite high, while the latter occurs because obviously if the cop's screwup isn't proven then you cannot really penalize them.  I suspect a lower bar for the punishment-if-proven would result in a weaker thin blue line because you wouldn't be worried that your coworker of ten years loses his house and everything else over a mistake.


Incompetence begets more incompetence.

Do you know how difficult it is to fire a municipal employee? Its damn near impossible unless if they commit a major crime. Anything else and its early retirement.
 
2013-08-26 09:59:26 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Onkel Buck: There is one homeless lady who actually lives in the bushes like a Keebler elf. She sports the Nelly band-aid on her cheek too and guards her leafy lair with a baseball bat. She may have a right to be there, but she should really be in a hospital

I have no idea why, the be nelly band aid part has me laughing harder than I should


I was laughing at the Keebler elf reference.

/cookies, we have them.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:11 AM

doubled99: Christians doing something good. Mark this one down.


Lots of christians do good things.  My problem with religions as a whole is that I suspect that those who do the good acts would do them regardless of the religion, and would do them more efficiently if there wasn't a religious trapping slapped on top of the money they donate (I'm looking at you gigantic catholic church).

I think you can convince people to do good without using a fairy tale, but I think that once people believe in the fairy tale whole-heartedly then said tale can be a way to trick them into doing bad, like hating gays.
 
2013-08-26 10:02:49 AM

Smoking GNU: Copper Spork: HindiDiscoMonster: quite right... if we just make homelessness illegal, they will all go away.

It's illegal to provide material support to terrorists. It doesn't end terrorism, but it does substantially reduce it.

oh great, yet another troll.

Has there been a heatwave in the US lately, cause it seems these are breeding like flies in the past few weeks.




Knock of the trolling.
 
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