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(KMOV St. Louis)   Accidentally bump in to someone while walking down the street? That's a shootin'   (kmov.com) divider line 21
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2013-08-26 12:41:59 AM
4 votes:
Around blacks, never relax!
2013-08-25 10:47:11 PM
4 votes:
It's a damn shame that no one was able to provide even a vague description of the St. Louis assailant.

Damn shame.
2013-08-25 10:01:18 PM
4 votes:
An armed society is a polite society.
2013-08-26 02:53:04 AM
2 votes:

Prophet of Loss: Its not the guns that are the problem; its the idiots holding them. For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.


Actually, the data suggests that a large, large majority of guns are used legally and responsibly.

300 million guns
100 million gun owners (est)

If even 1 percent of guns and gun owners were criminal you'd have 1,000,000 gun criminals and 3,000,000 crime guns per year. I don't recall the true numbers, but it's something like 100,000 gun crimes per year, even assuming a worst-case situation.
2013-08-26 12:53:29 AM
2 votes:
No it's the idiots who suddenly stop in the middle of the street while walking shoulder-to-shoulder who should get shot.
2013-08-26 12:52:55 AM
2 votes:
500motivators.com
2013-08-26 04:47:44 PM
1 votes:
If you all want see how you can terrorize and kill people without guns, go to websites I won't name (but you can find) to see how much more brutal a rusty old knife can be, when its removing your head from your live body).

This gun debate is bullshiat. shiatty people gonna do what shiatty people do. Go there - I dare you. Go and see what a simple knife, in the hands of an unbalanced or evil person can do. Because I'll tell you what - the Mexican Cartels sure dont use a lot of these evil guns! In fact, the gun would be a compassionate mercy to their victims.
2013-08-26 01:11:03 PM
1 votes:
Well, if its perfectly okay to pound on someone for following you around for a few minutes, it's certainly acceptable to shoot someone for stepping on your fresh kicks.
2013-08-26 01:09:50 PM
1 votes:
The sensationalistic focus on whatever particar weapon is used to do harm is ridiculous.

The problem in the US is that we have large segments of our population who are socio-economically disadvantaged, who are not raised by responsible parent(s), and without any guidance fall prey to the vicious undercurrents of depravity that exist in our society. IT'S THE SOCIETY that needs work. Because whether you take a gun or a tire iron to someone's head, you are a farked up person.

The US is a VERY large country...I don't think Japan is even as big as California and all of Western Europe is smaller than the US. We have complicated social problems that result in the spawning of many criminally-minded, violent people. If you took away all the guns you would still have the same level of violence here. We need to fix the people, so that bumping into someone or even an ego driven pissing match doesn't result in rash violence.
2013-08-26 12:59:31 PM
1 votes:

gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.


FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

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2013-08-26 08:42:56 AM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: I always thought Somalia would rank higher, but I guess those guns keep people in line there...


How much do you suppose they pay the Somalian census takers? Because they totally have a functional government that pays people to record things like births, and deaths, and homicides. Police too.
2013-08-26 07:39:12 AM
1 votes:

WraithSama: Where does this sound familiar from?  Oh, right.

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/Love the Boondocks.


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
2013-08-26 07:19:25 AM
1 votes:

WraithSama: Where does this sound familiar from?  Oh, right.

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/Love the Boondocks.

Came for this. Leaving happy.
2013-08-26 03:44:43 AM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: bullshiat. No one know how many guns are actually in the US. Legal sales, etc. don't give nearly complete picture. Its like estimating the amount of marijuana users based on purchases at legal dispensaries.


Prophet of Loss: NRA propaganda


The most widely cited source is a Congressional Research Report that figured 310,000,000 guns. If you don't like that number, give a reason as to why they're wrong, as opposed to just assuming they are. No one is saying there are exactly 310,000,000 guns total... it's an  estimate.

Krouse, William J. 2012. 'How Many Guns Are in the United States? - Number.' Gun Control Legislation, pp. 8-9. Washington DC: United States Congressional Research Service. 14 November.

Prophet of Loss: Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?


Because, as we have already established, the US has a lot of guns. Because we have guns, they are used when people want to use violence.

A better metric is to look at the violent crime rates by country. This is actually a quite complicated process, but this Politifact article (which examines a tangentially related item) explains the issues good enough.

The bottom line is that there's no reason to think that the US is a particularly violent country (nor a particularly peaceful one) in relationship to others, just that we have more guns.
2013-08-26 03:39:27 AM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: Again, we are talking about criminals, not your hunting buddies. With every 2 bit thug carrying a gun these days, do you really think your numbers are anything more than NRA propaganda?


For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.

That's a pretty unambiguous statement by you.

So if there's a 100 million responsible gun owners in the U.S., you're saying there are 1.2 billion (12 times) two-bit thugs out there shooting up the hood.

Talk about propoganda.
2013-08-26 03:28:59 AM
1 votes:

Fubini: Prophet of Loss: Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.

Why don't you do a modicum of research yourself? 300,000,000 is a widely accepted estimate that various people have arrived at by various methods, and it does include illicit guns.

Among other things, an estimate is necessary because:

1) Sales numbers are not generally publicly available
2) Very few types of guns need to be registered in the US

You can arrive at that estimate by various ways, such as direct estimation via manufacture and loss and by survey sampling. I don't know the confidence interval or error bars on the 300,000,000 number, but if you do a little reading you see 270,000,000 as a low estimate and 310,000,000-350,000,000 as a high estimate.

The exact numbers don't matter so much as the orders of magnitude: there is approximately one gun for every person in the US, about a third of all people in the US own a gun, and about half of all people in the US have a gun in their household. If you look at the number of recorded gun crimes vs. the number of people with guns, the only conclusion a sane person can arrive at is that the vast majority of guns are not used criminally.


bullshiat. No one know how many guns are actually in the US. Legal sales, etc. don't give nearly complete picture. Its like estimating the amount of marijuana users based on purchases at legal dispensaries.

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?
2013-08-26 03:25:30 AM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.


Why don't you do a modicum of research yourself? 300,000,000 is a widely accepted estimate that various people have arrived at by various methods, and it does include illicit guns.

Among other things, an estimate is necessary because:

1) Sales numbers are not generally publicly available
2) Very few types of guns need to be registered in the US

You can arrive at that estimate by various ways, such as direct estimation via manufacture and loss and by survey sampling. I don't know the confidence interval or error bars on the 300,000,000 number, but if you do a little reading you see 270,000,000 as a low estimate and 310,000,000-350,000,000 as a high estimate.

The exact numbers don't matter so much as the orders of magnitude: there is approximately one gun for every person in the US, about a third of all people in the US own a gun, and about half of all people in the US have a gun in their household. If you look at the number of recorded gun crimes vs. the number of people with guns, the only conclusion a sane person can arrive at is that the vast majority of guns are not used criminally.
2013-08-26 02:52:48 AM
1 votes:

Prophet of Loss: Its not the guns that are the problem; its the idiots holding them. For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.


I'd say you've got that backwards, but my sense is that even that's nowhere close to accurate.

With 300 million guns in the U.S., your numbers would suggest that 270 million of them are in the hands of people who would commit murder over being brushed by someone walking by them,
2013-08-26 01:02:38 AM
1 votes:

rubi_con_man: If that person felt threatened, then in Florida they have the right to shoot you to death.


Did you read the "article" it is devoid of information.  And yeah, if you threaten people you deserve to be shot.  this sounds like a street gang initiation, not a "cracker kills attractive what the fark ever, JUSTICE FOR TREVON!"  STFU.
2013-08-26 12:56:47 AM
1 votes:
If that person felt threatened, then in Florida they have the right to shoot you to death.
2013-08-26 12:49:03 AM
1 votes:
Having a gun apparently conveys an exaggerated sense of entitlement to some people.
 
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