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2013-08-26 02:53:07 AM
Had this happened in NYC, they'd have called it "Tuesday."
 
2013-08-26 02:54:45 AM

wookiee cookie: ot, sorry: what is "clicks" measuring on fark? i still can't figure it out, not in faq...


A click is a gesture that a computer user makes to indicate that the computer should take some action associated with the space occupied by a graphical or textual element on a web page. As the measurement on Fark is associated with a "link" to an "article"  on "Fark.com", one is lead to assume it measures the number of times that action is undertaken by a user of the Site by pointing a Mouse or bringing Keyboard focus to a textual element representing a "hyperlink" to another site, and activating its default action of "Follow Link".
 
2013-08-26 03:06:31 AM

TomD9938: Prophet of Loss: Its not the guns that are the problem; its the idiots holding them. For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.

I'd say you've got that backwards, but my sense is that even that's nowhere close to accurate.

With 300 million guns in the U.S., your numbers would suggest that 270 million of them are in the hands of people who would commit murder over being brushed by someone walking by them,


Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.
 
2013-08-26 03:21:50 AM

Prophet of Loss: TomD9938: Prophet of Loss: Its not the guns that are the problem; its the idiots holding them. For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.

I'd say you've got that backwards, but my sense is that even that's nowhere close to accurate.

With 300 million guns in the U.S., your numbers would suggest that 270 million of them are in the hands of people who would commit murder over being brushed by someone walking by them,

Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.



The 300 mil figure has been floating around for a while.

Otherwise, my estimates are straight from my ass.

That said, virtually everyone I know owns a gun (mostly hunters, but most of them have a handgun as well), and none of them has ever spent a day in jail on a gun crime.
 
2013-08-26 03:24:23 AM

TomD9938: Prophet of Loss: TomD9938: Prophet of Loss: Its not the guns that are the problem; its the idiots holding them. For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.

I'd say you've got that backwards, but my sense is that even that's nowhere close to accurate.

With 300 million guns in the U.S., your numbers would suggest that 270 million of them are in the hands of people who would commit murder over being brushed by someone walking by them,

Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.


The 300 mil figure has been floating around for a while.

Otherwise, my estimates are straight from my ass.

That said, virtually everyone I know owns a gun (mostly hunters, but most of them have a handgun as well), and none of them has ever spent a day in jail on a gun crime.


Again, we are talking about criminals, not your hunting buddies. With every 2 bit thug carrying a gun these days, do you really think your numbers are anything more than NRA propaganda?
 
2013-08-26 03:25:30 AM

Prophet of Loss: Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.


Why don't you do a modicum of research yourself? 300,000,000 is a widely accepted estimate that various people have arrived at by various methods, and it does include illicit guns.

Among other things, an estimate is necessary because:

1) Sales numbers are not generally publicly available
2) Very few types of guns need to be registered in the US

You can arrive at that estimate by various ways, such as direct estimation via manufacture and loss and by survey sampling. I don't know the confidence interval or error bars on the 300,000,000 number, but if you do a little reading you see 270,000,000 as a low estimate and 310,000,000-350,000,000 as a high estimate.

The exact numbers don't matter so much as the orders of magnitude: there is approximately one gun for every person in the US, about a third of all people in the US own a gun, and about half of all people in the US have a gun in their household. If you look at the number of recorded gun crimes vs. the number of people with guns, the only conclusion a sane person can arrive at is that the vast majority of guns are not used criminally.
 
2013-08-26 03:28:59 AM

Fubini: Prophet of Loss: Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.

Why don't you do a modicum of research yourself? 300,000,000 is a widely accepted estimate that various people have arrived at by various methods, and it does include illicit guns.

Among other things, an estimate is necessary because:

1) Sales numbers are not generally publicly available
2) Very few types of guns need to be registered in the US

You can arrive at that estimate by various ways, such as direct estimation via manufacture and loss and by survey sampling. I don't know the confidence interval or error bars on the 300,000,000 number, but if you do a little reading you see 270,000,000 as a low estimate and 310,000,000-350,000,000 as a high estimate.

The exact numbers don't matter so much as the orders of magnitude: there is approximately one gun for every person in the US, about a third of all people in the US own a gun, and about half of all people in the US have a gun in their household. If you look at the number of recorded gun crimes vs. the number of people with guns, the only conclusion a sane person can arrive at is that the vast majority of guns are not used criminally.


bullshiat. No one know how many guns are actually in the US. Legal sales, etc. don't give nearly complete picture. Its like estimating the amount of marijuana users based on purchases at legal dispensaries.

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?
 
2013-08-26 03:29:24 AM

Snotnose: I can only think of one person I would shoot if I bumped into her walking down the street.

/ hmmm, how do I get a CCW permit again?
// dang, means I got to get a concealable gun, mine are all way too big
/// my pecker is big, but the barrel of my smallest handgun is bigger


Is anyone else not a little creeped out that someone came on here just to announce that they have a lot of guns and that there's a woman that they want to shoot? This is a good example of why I'm glad that my country has gun control laws.
 
2013-08-26 03:39:27 AM

Prophet of Loss: Again, we are talking about criminals, not your hunting buddies. With every 2 bit thug carrying a gun these days, do you really think your numbers are anything more than NRA propaganda?


For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.

That's a pretty unambiguous statement by you.

So if there's a 100 million responsible gun owners in the U.S., you're saying there are 1.2 billion (12 times) two-bit thugs out there shooting up the hood.

Talk about propoganda.
 
2013-08-26 03:44:43 AM

Prophet of Loss: bullshiat. No one know how many guns are actually in the US. Legal sales, etc. don't give nearly complete picture. Its like estimating the amount of marijuana users based on purchases at legal dispensaries.


Prophet of Loss: NRA propaganda


The most widely cited source is a Congressional Research Report that figured 310,000,000 guns. If you don't like that number, give a reason as to why they're wrong, as opposed to just assuming they are. No one is saying there are exactly 310,000,000 guns total... it's an  estimate.

Krouse, William J. 2012. 'How Many Guns Are in the United States? - Number.' Gun Control Legislation, pp. 8-9. Washington DC: United States Congressional Research Service. 14 November.

Prophet of Loss: Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?


Because, as we have already established, the US has a lot of guns. Because we have guns, they are used when people want to use violence.

A better metric is to look at the violent crime rates by country. This is actually a quite complicated process, but this Politifact article (which examines a tangentially related item) explains the issues good enough.

The bottom line is that there's no reason to think that the US is a particularly violent country (nor a particularly peaceful one) in relationship to others, just that we have more guns.
 
Xai
2013-08-26 03:44:43 AM
But guns make you safer...
 
2013-08-26 03:51:38 AM

Prophet of Loss: Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?


Also, I'd love for you to tell me why it's better to be mugged by a guy with a knife than by a guy with a gun. The majority of people are going to find either one just as threatening.
 
2013-08-26 03:59:22 AM
Vice President Biden said if someone bumps into you just fire two shotgun blasts into the air and that should ward them off.
 
2013-08-26 04:02:10 AM

Enigmamf: wookiee cookie: ot, sorry: what is "clicks" measuring on fark? i still can't figure it out, not in faq...

A click is a gesture that a computer user makes to indicate that the computer should take some action associated with the space occupied by a graphical or textual element on a web page. As the measurement on Fark is associated with a "link" to an "article"  on "Fark.com", one is lead to assume it measures the number of times that action is undertaken by a user of the Site by pointing a Mouse or bringing Keyboard focus to a textual element representing a "hyperlink" to another site, and activating its default action of "Follow Link".


ive shot people for less snark.

/with my dick.
 
2013-08-26 06:32:45 AM

Sliding Carp: An armed society is a polite society.


...or else!
 
2013-08-26 06:43:19 AM
This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?


Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.
 
2013-08-26 06:57:22 AM

Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.


Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.
 
2013-08-26 07:00:27 AM
The Verve of some people, walking home from a symphony bumping into people. I bet he's bittersweet about it now.
 
2013-08-26 07:16:01 AM

LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.


I always thought Somalia would rank higher, but I guess those guns keep people in line there...
 
2013-08-26 07:18:19 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: The Verve of some people, walking home from a symphony bumping into people. I bet he's bittersweet about it now.


you should be shot for such a bad pun.

At least put them in the form of a Haiku:

Neighborhood Party
Appetizers Are Present
Are They Cul-De-Snacks?
 
2013-08-26 07:19:25 AM

WraithSama: Where does this sound familiar from?  Oh, right.

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/Love the Boondocks.

Came for this. Leaving happy.
 
2013-08-26 07:39:12 AM

WraithSama: Where does this sound familiar from?  Oh, right.

[260x260 from http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/fobbyfobb408/01po1.gif image 260x260]

/Love the Boondocks.


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-08-26 08:42:56 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: I always thought Somalia would rank higher, but I guess those guns keep people in line there...


How much do you suppose they pay the Somalian census takers? Because they totally have a functional government that pays people to record things like births, and deaths, and homicides. Police too.
 
2013-08-26 08:54:15 AM
Obviously the answer is MOAR GUNZ!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 09:28:10 AM

LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.


That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.
 
2013-08-26 10:20:36 AM

Heraclitus: Obviously the answer is MOAR GUNZ!




You sound like a cop.
 
2013-08-26 10:35:06 AM

Amos Quito: It's a damn shame that no one was able to provide even a vague description of the St. Louis assailant.



Descriptions are racist!!! Thats why the NYPD isnt even allowed to say what skin color a suspect has, even on the radio to each other.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 10:52:20 AM

LemSkroob: Amos Quito: It's a damn shame that no one was able to provide even a vague description of the St. Louis assailant.


Descriptions are racist!!! Thats why the NYPD isnt even allowed to say what skin color a suspect has, even on the radio to each other.


I predict they will come up with some new type of coded/obfuscated way of passing skin color, probable nationality, etc...
 
2013-08-26 10:53:56 AM
we can't speculate on the background of the perp... that would be racist.

but, if we were to wager...  where would you put the odds?

100 to 1 ?     500 to 1 ?
 
2013-08-26 11:25:28 AM
You gonna get shot if you dis respectin people bro.
 
2013-08-26 12:34:53 PM

Prophet of Loss: TomD9938: Prophet of Loss: Its not the guns that are the problem; its the idiots holding them. For every "responsible" gun owner, there are a dozen that use easy access to the weapons to act anti-socially.

I'd say you've got that backwards, but my sense is that even that's nowhere close to accurate.

With 300 million guns in the U.S., your numbers would suggest that 270 million of them are in the hands of people who would commit murder over being brushed by someone walking by them,

Where are you getting your numbers? Registered guns? Sales? Criminals don't register their guns and pay cash.


You are talking shiat about his numbers while claiming that there are 1,200,000,000 criminals running around with illegal guns? That is rich. It definitely sounds like something the gun-control folks would claim though.
 
2013-08-26 12:40:04 PM

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... especially in north St. Louis City!


/seriously.
 
2013-08-26 12:50:01 PM
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2013-08-26 12:57:39 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

I always thought Somalia would rank higher, but I guess those guns keep people in line there...


I don't think it was tracked, because of the whole lack of a central government there. That tends to have a chilling effect on statistic gathering.
 
2013-08-26 12:59:31 PM

gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.


FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-26 01:09:50 PM
The sensationalistic focus on whatever particar weapon is used to do harm is ridiculous.

The problem in the US is that we have large segments of our population who are socio-economically disadvantaged, who are not raised by responsible parent(s), and without any guidance fall prey to the vicious undercurrents of depravity that exist in our society. IT'S THE SOCIETY that needs work. Because whether you take a gun or a tire iron to someone's head, you are a farked up person.

The US is a VERY large country...I don't think Japan is even as big as California and all of Western Europe is smaller than the US. We have complicated social problems that result in the spawning of many criminally-minded, violent people. If you took away all the guns you would still have the same level of violence here. We need to fix the people, so that bumping into someone or even an ego driven pissing match doesn't result in rash violence.
 
2013-08-26 01:11:01 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Heraclitus: Obviously the answer is MOAR GUNZ!

You sound like a cop.


Nope, just tired of arguing with neanderthals that want to drag this country back to the "Wild West" days. It wasnt really like it looks in the movies guys...
 
2013-08-26 01:11:03 PM
Well, if its perfectly okay to pound on someone for following you around for a few minutes, it's certainly acceptable to shoot someone for stepping on your fresh kicks.
 
2013-08-26 01:23:41 PM

Heraclitus: StoPPeRmobile: Heraclitus: Obviously the answer is MOAR GUNZ!

You sound like a cop.

Nope, just tired of arguing with neanderthals that want to drag this country back to the "Wild West" days. It wasnt really like it looks in the movies guys...


The answer is teaching empathy and what I'll call a decent form of humanity. Young people growing up feeling secure and loved, and a society that provides opportunities for them to excel.

Until that happens, you will have violence and depredation on every level, guns or not. Now, if we as a society refuse to fix the underlying problem, then you're damn right I'm going to arm myself to match those that would assault me. All of the gun owners I know have them for self defense, nothing more. We are not out there poppin a cap in someone's ass because they insulted us. Just like I wouldn't put arsenic in someone's food, lock them in a garage with a running car, or beat them with a tire iron...I also would not shoot someone unless my life was in imminent danger.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 03:05:20 PM

LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.

FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

[250x272 from http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3292/5763428843_ce57f1f3a9.jpg image 250x272]


Perhaps a business related publication is un-tilted enough for your precious palate?
Link shows "Most dangerous Cities in the World"
OR
How about the Geneva Declaration?

You fail
 
2013-08-26 04:12:54 PM

gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.

FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

[250x272 from http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3292/5763428843_ce57f1f3a9.jpg image 250x272]

Perhaps a business related publication is un-tilted enough for your precious palate?
Link shows "Most dangerous Cities in the World"
OR
How about the Geneva Declaration?

You fail


The opening words of the Dangerous Cities article: Earlier, this year, a Mexican think tank - the Citizens' Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice -
 
2013-08-26 04:15:17 PM

LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.

FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

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Perhaps a business related publication is un-tilted enough for your precious palate?
Link shows "Most dangerous Cities in the World"
OR
How about the Geneva Declaration?

You fail

The opening words of t ...


Ah, Fark. You ate my post. Well, I was going to generally say "that data helps my case more than it helps yours," but I'm not interested in typing that out again.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 04:17:06 PM

LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.

FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

[250x272 from http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3292/5763428843_ce57f1f3a9.jpg image 250x272]

Perhaps a business related publication is un-tilted enough for your precious palate?
Link shows "Most dangerous Cities in the World"
OR
How about the Geneva Declaration?

You fail

The opening words of t ...


To show how far off you are in those stats via skewing. Now get a clue and look at the Geneva stats.

I will bet you find it hard to refute those findings.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 04:21:25 PM

LoneWolf343: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: gja: LoneWolf343: Alonjar: This wasn't "random". For anybody not familiar with life on the corner in a shiatty neighborhood at 2:15 am, it happened like this: Tough Guy Victim is walking down the street, purposely bumps his shoulder into group of guys who expect pedestrian to walk around them, because they're a big bad gang. Very much like 2 immature high school students playing chicken in the hallway to establish dominance. Guy who got bumped says something about not liking it, Tough Guy Victim played the 'fark You what is your skinny little ass go to do about it?' card. Turns out skinny guy isn't backing down and isn't getting his ass whipped either, so he pulls out a gun and fires.

Just like when you hear about somebody getting shot over a piece of chicken. The food had nothing to do with it, it's a fight over respect.


Prophet of Loss:

Gun crime is nearly unheard of in most industrialized nations. Why is the US different?

Is this a real question? Because if it is, you're farking retarded. Hurr hurr how come countries without access to guns have less gun crime? Really?

Why do people always feel the need to compare "gun crimes" between an armed and unarmed society, rather than simply comparing violent crime rates? Wouldn't that be a better metric to determine safety? Oohhh because those stats are harder to manipulate in order to fulfill your agenda. Gotcha.

Blame the victim, not the gun.

Also, out of 36 countries, the US has the third highest intentional homicide rate, beaten only by Estonia and Mexico.

That stat is ONLY for "Intentional homicide". Way to cherry pick the stats.
Let's try "Violent crime". Linky here.

FTA: www.washingtionpost.com...

[250x272 from http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3292/5763428843_ce57f1f3a9.jpg image 250x272]

Perhaps a business related publication is un-tilted enough for your precious palate?
Link shows "Most dangerous Cities in the World"
OR
How about the Geneva Declaration?

You fail

The openi ...


Let me save you some time/effort:
As per their paper here are the "The 14 countries with average annual violent death rates of more than 30 per 100,000 population, 2004-09 "
El Salvador
Iraq
Jamaica
Honduras
Colombia
Venezuela
Guatemala
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Lesotho
Central African Republic
Sudan
Belize
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
 
2013-08-26 04:47:44 PM
If you all want see how you can terrorize and kill people without guns, go to websites I won't name (but you can find) to see how much more brutal a rusty old knife can be, when its removing your head from your live body).

This gun debate is bullshiat. shiatty people gonna do what shiatty people do. Go there - I dare you. Go and see what a simple knife, in the hands of an unbalanced or evil person can do. Because I'll tell you what - the Mexican Cartels sure dont use a lot of these evil guns! In fact, the gun would be a compassionate mercy to their victims.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 05:04:38 PM

Witness99: If you all want see how you can terrorize and kill people without guns, go to websites I won't name (but you can find) to see how much more brutal a rusty old knife can be, when its removing your head from your live body).

This gun debate is bullshiat. shiatty people gonna do what shiatty people do. Go there - I dare you. Go and see what a simple knife, in the hands of an unbalanced or evil person can do. Because I'll tell you what - the Mexican Cartels sure dont use a lot of these evil guns! In fact, the gun would be a compassionate mercy to their victims.


Sickening, sad, and inhumane but also quite true.
I seem to recall terms like Colombian necktie and things of that ilk that give u a view into those who do not value ANY life. Least of all someone else.
 
2013-08-26 05:55:49 PM

Witness99: IT'S THE SOCIETY that needs work. Because whether you take a gun or a tire iron to someone's head, you are a farked up person.


Right. So you begin to fix your farked up society by removing the abundance of hand guns, aka weapons made for killing people. Fewer hand guns means fewer deaths, especially among poor children. Then we can talk about health, education, and how to construct of a civil society with equal opportunity.

/Sorry about your small dick but there's more important things than your ego..
 
2013-08-26 06:00:12 PM

Witness99: If you all want see how you can terrorize and kill people without guns, go to websites I won't name (but you can find) to see how much more brutal a rusty old knife can be, when its removing your head from your live body).

This gun debate is bullshiat. shiatty people gonna do what shiatty people do. Go there - I dare you. Go and see what a simple knife, in the hands of an unbalanced or evil person can do. Because I'll tell you what - the Mexican Cartels sure dont use a lot of these evil guns! In fact, the gun would be a compassionate mercy to their victims.


+1
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 06:11:23 PM

Hiro-ACiD: Witness99: IT'S THE SOCIETY that needs work. Because whether you take a gun or a tire iron to someone's head, you are a farked up person.

Right. So you begin to fix your farked up society by removing the abundance of hand guns, aka weapons made for killing people. Fewer hand guns means fewer deaths, especially among poor children. Then we can talk about health, education, and how to construct of a civil society with equal opportunity.

/Sorry about your small dick but there's more important things than your ego..


And there it is friends. Markelys law has been invoked.
Loser.
 
2013-08-26 06:26:57 PM

Hiro-ACiD: Witness99: IT'S THE SOCIETY that needs work. Because whether you take a gun or a tire iron to someone's head, you are a farked up person.

Right. So you begin to fix your farked up society by removing the abundance of hand guns, aka weapons made for killing people. Fewer hand guns means fewer deaths, especially among poor children. Then we can talk about health, education, and how to construct of a civil society with equal opportunity.

/Sorry about your small dick but there's more important things than your ego..


Listen, who I am assuming to be a young man....I don't have a dick, I'm a woman. I do have some ego problems and will grant you that.

I'm oldish. I'm 41 now. I don't agree that removing "hand guns" from law abiding citizens is the answer. My point has been about character and fortitude. I believe that honorable, responsible, law abiding people should be as equipped as the criminals.

You speak of "abundance of handguns" that need to be removed. And I'll promise you this....the moment this country takes action to remove handguns from criminals, I will also turn mine in.
 
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