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2013-08-26 07:18:46 AM

stilted: At first wondered why link to Breitbart for this, then remembered it is the place to go if you want info based on folklore, not scientific fact.

/DNRTFA because...well...Breitbart


if you DNRTFA you missed this gem: "The famous Farmer's Almanac is going to damper the mood of many man-made global warming alarmists when the book hits the shelves on Monday."

you hear that, global warming alarmists?  gonna be cold this winter.  now shut up!
 
2013-08-26 07:27:26 AM

kukukupo: thamike: If this summer felt unusually cool for you...

...you don't live in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, or Asia.

Or you're having a stroke.

I live in North America - and this is the coldest summer I've ever experienced in my lifetime.  It is about to hit 90 for only the 3rd time all summer.

/not complaining
//if this is global warming - bring it on!


Why don't you care about the polar bears?!?!?
 
2013-08-26 07:31:15 AM

Somacandra: My favorite comment is the guy who says he and his buddy stockpile 20 tons of coal to guard against Obama until the end of his term. I've seen a lot of Obama criticisms but 20 tons of coal for winter heating is a new one, I must admit.


A family story from long ago...my great grandparents had a house next to some railroad tracks. Bad snowstorm stranded a steam powered locomotive very close to their house. They gave the crew a place to stay until the snow cleared. In return the crew loaded up their basement with coal from the tender for use in the fireplaces. The amount they gave them lasted the next four years.

/CSB
 
2013-08-26 07:39:16 AM
The only real criticism anyone can level at it is that they won't reveal their specific methods so they can be tested. It actually is more accurate than anything else a lot of the time, but that's not very hard. The weather predictions you get from meteorologists are less than 50% accurate just a couple days in advance, and get increasingly bad beyond that.

They very well might just be guessing, but if guessing is more accurate than anything else i'll go with guessing.

/and this should be a fun thread to bookmark for the coming winter
//please, continue to be so sure of yourselves
 
2013-08-26 07:42:35 AM
As long as there isn't a snow or ice storm during the last two weeks of November. I don't want to worry that my boyfriend is going to careen off the road while I'm having contractions.

/back-up plan: calling EMT for a lift
 
2013-08-26 07:57:45 AM
The temperatures in my area last month hovered right around the long-term historical average.

So what does that say when a temporary return to average summer temperatures is billed as "unusually cool"?
 
2013-08-26 08:10:22 AM
I just saw a woolly worm yesterday that was completely brown. I wondered wht that may mean.
 
2013-08-26 08:17:24 AM

Crewmannumber6: I just saw a woolly worm yesterday that was completely brown. I wondered wht that may mean.


That clearly means you need to short rock salt futures and stockpile orange juice.
 
2013-08-26 08:19:19 AM

kukukupo: thamike: If this summer felt unusually cool for you...

...you don't live in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, or Asia.

Or you're having a stroke.

I live in North America - and this is the coldest summer I've ever experienced in my lifetime.  It is about to hit 90 for only the 3rd time all summer.

/not complaining
//if this is global warming - bring it on!


I live in SE Ohio (Appalachia).  This summer seems "on par" from my experience in relation to temperature, but it has been a very wet summer.  Usually by the end of August, I only have to mow once every two weeks, and this year it has been once every 3-5 days, and grass is growing under the shade trees (it should be sort of dry).  As for temperature,  we have had a week of two of "straight uncomfortable weather" mainly due to humidity (and in the low 90s), which is the norm for mid July, and occasional days of "man I hate summer" (that is a scientific unit of measurement by the way) thrown in there.

Last year was hotter.  About a week straight of over 100 degrees (after the derecho went through), and the whole month of of July was just miserable it seemed.  The coolest summer in recent memory was 2009.  One day in mid July it was 57 for a high, and the month barely averaged in the 80s.
 
2013-08-26 08:22:48 AM

Crewmannumber6: I just saw a woolly worm yesterday that was completely brown. I wondered wht that may mean.


That's nothing, the apples are large this summer (heard that meant a bad winter).

My father-in-law was talking to an old Amish man one day.  The Amish man was lamenting about how he used to be able to predict, with fairly high accuracy I guess, the weather based on the actions of the animals.  He said that since he started getting the newspaper and reading the weather report, he lost that ability.
 
2013-08-26 08:27:03 AM

RexTalionis: AirForceVet: RexTalionis: Cold winters usually mean dry winters. Warmer winters mean more precipitation. If it's cold, water isn't going to be evaporating as much as a warmer winter and you're going to have a lot less moisture in the air to coalesce and fall to the ground.

We'll just have to wait and see. What did the Farmer's Almanac say about the West's winter? Anyone?

The Almanac's predictions are bunk. Independent studies say that their predictions are either too vague or not significantly better than random guesses.


So about like meteorology?
 
2013-08-26 08:34:25 AM

Bucky Katt: RexTalionis: AirForceVet: RexTalionis: Cold winters usually mean dry winters. Warmer winters mean more precipitation. If it's cold, water isn't going to be evaporating as much as a warmer winter and you're going to have a lot less moisture in the air to coalesce and fall to the ground.

We'll just have to wait and see. What did the Farmer's Almanac say about the West's winter? Anyone?

The Almanac's predictions are bunk. Independent studies say that their predictions are either too vague or not significantly better than random guesses.

like astrology then


Or Global Climate Change
 
2013-08-26 08:37:25 AM

AirForceVet: I'm cool with a cold winter. Hope the West gets more precipitation than the last couple of years.



Up here we have had October blizzards the last two winters. Tree down, power out for a week, FEET of snow. This year I am hoping for maybe 1-2 inches of snow on xmas eve, and that's IT.
 
2013-08-26 08:38:50 AM

stilted: At first wondered why link to Breitbart for this, then remembered it is the place to go if you want info based on folklore, not scientific fact.

/DNRTFA because...well...Breitbart


In this case they like the Farmers Almanac because they THINK it disproves global warming. Over course, even if it is right, it doesn't. But we already knew Brietbart is just German for Asshats.
 
2013-08-26 08:38:54 AM
Gonna be a rough winter, the Indians are collecting wood like crazy!
 
2013-08-26 08:40:10 AM
What the fark? It's been over 100 most of this past week and it's sweltering this coming week too. Been hot as hell here in South Dakota. I have two peach trees in the back yard; one ripened in June (the peaches were small).... they never got big, though, so they rotted this month and fell to the ground. The other one exploded this month and I have picked a five-gallon bucket worth of peaches EVERY DAMN 99°F + DAY THE LAST WEEK and it looks like I have at least another week or so to go. I've given so many peaches away.....

/getting sick of peaches
//the lupus is not doing well with this heat
 
2013-08-26 08:40:48 AM
Global Climate Change... Because the global climate has never changed before man discovered fire, right?
 
2013-08-26 08:44:27 AM
Face it sheeple. Global warming is going to disappoint you just like the George Zimmerman trial did.
 
2013-08-26 08:54:31 AM

stilted: At first wondered why link to Breitbart for this, then remembered it is the place to go if you want info based on folklore, not scientific fact.

/DNRTFA because...well...Breitbart


www.humortimes.com
 
2013-08-26 09:26:19 AM
data.giss.nasa.gov

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.
 
2013-08-26 09:39:04 AM

kukukupo: thamike: If this summer felt unusually cool for you...

...you don't live in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, or Asia.

Or you're having a stroke.

I live in North America - and this is the coldest summer I've ever experienced in my lifetime.  It is about to hit 90 for only the 3rd time all summer.

/not complaining
//if this is global warming - bring it on!


Thanks for sending the heat our way.. .we have been 10 C (20 F) above average in July and August (Nova Scotia)
 
2013-08-26 09:57:58 AM
cdn.pastemagazine.com

Still better than the Farmer's Almanac.
 
2013-08-26 10:07:27 AM

AirForceVet: I'm cool with a cold winter. Hope the West gets more precipitation than the last couple of years.


I just dont want a winter like we had last year in Ohio. It would get stupid cold for a few days then warm up enough to rain, then cold again
 
2013-08-26 10:37:50 AM

ol_rooter: ThunderPelvis: If this summer felt unusually cool for you, you may not like give a sh*t what the Farmers' Almanac has to say about the coming winter

Subby, checking the Farmer's Alamanac for weather predictions is like checking Breitbart  Daily KOs, NYT, Cobert, The Daily Show, Media Matters, and HuffPo for anything: laughably stupid and certain proof of a deep and abiding ignorance.


Oh look, a retard.
 
2013-08-26 11:00:50 AM

Oldiron_79: RexTalionis: AirForceVet: RexTalionis: Cold winters usually mean dry winters. Warmer winters mean more precipitation. If it's cold, water isn't going to be evaporating as much as a warmer winter and you're going to have a lot less moisture in the air to coalesce and fall to the ground.

We'll just have to wait and see. What did the Farmer's Almanac say about the West's winter? Anyone?

The Almanac's predictions are bunk. Independent studies say that their predictions are either too vague or not significantly better than random guesses.

So about like meteorology?


Since the advent of supercomputers used for modeling weather, meteorology is actually pretty damn accurate in its forecasts for the short term (all predictions will decrease in confidence the further they are in the future, where there are more complex factors in play). But for the next 72 hours, the forecasts are really quite good.

This is a far cry compared to only maybe 20 years ago, when weather forecasts relied on meteorologists indexing meteorological conditions (i.e. pressure is 101 kPa, temperature is 88F, and humidity is 30%, winds coming from the Northwest). They compare current conditions to past instances that were similar in features to make their predictions. This was usually pretty wrong.

Supercomputer modeling weather, though? That's pretty damn good.
 
2013-08-26 11:20:47 AM
We haven't had a good snow in years, why I remember the snow being up to my waist as a kid...
 
2013-08-26 11:29:44 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: We haven't had a good snow in years, why I remember the snow being up to my waist as a kid...


You were a lot shorter then
 
2013-08-26 11:45:13 AM
J. Frank Parnell

The only real criticism anyone can level at it is that they won't reveal their specific methods so they can be tested. It actually is more accurate than anything else a lot of the time, but that's not very hard. The weather predictions you get from meteorologists are less than 50% accurate just a couple days in advance, and get increasingly bad beyond that.
They very well might just be guessing, but if guessing is more accurate than anything else i'll go with guessing.
/and this should be a fun thread to bookmark for the coming winter
//please, continue to be so sure of yourselves


    We've had 3 consecutive shiatty summers in a row followed by huge snow in the winter coupled warm winter temps. Basically I think we were due for a nice summer (which we are enjoying) and we are due for a cold low snow winter. Big wild berry season and all the wasps are ground nesting...the old guys here say that means a cold dry winter. YMMV.

/check this in April
 
2013-08-26 11:45:41 AM
Hey guys! Imma n00b here! Go gentle!
 
2013-08-26 11:46:55 AM

ol_rooter: strathcona: ol_rooter: ThunderPelvis: If this summer felt unusually cool for you, you may not like give a sh*t what the Farmers' Almanac has to say about the coming winter

Subby, checking the Farmer's Alamanac for weather predictions is like checking Breitbart  Daily KOs, NYT, Cobert, The Daily Show, Media Matters, and HuffPo for anything: laughably stupid and certain proof of a deep and abiding ignorance.

Oh look, a retard.

Ok, since you started the name calling, here's where I say something very demeaning about your grandma, you know? Then, you can't think of anything to say, so you go look at my profile, copypasta, and hope your fark-friends will pay attention to you, but they won't, because of the way I told them that your grandma loves to hump rabbit's feet, still attached to the rabbit.


Bou did you ever tell me, sock-puppet.
 
2013-08-26 11:52:42 AM

dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.


1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?
 
2013-08-26 12:09:27 PM

Deep Contact: Have to see how the woolly caterpillars look this year.


Expectations are dismal this year, with a projected decrease in production of 47%.
Looming sweater shortages have prompted many retailers to hold on to available stock in the hope of increased consumer demand, thus justifying higher POS prices.
In conclusion, last years cardigan may be this years gold mine.
 
2013-08-26 12:16:17 PM
fartpunch.com
 
2013-08-26 12:39:21 PM

thamike: If this summer felt unusually cool for you...

...you don't live in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, or Asia.

Or you're having a stroke.


We had an unusually cool start to the summer in Saskatchewan. This month is more than making up for it, though. 1030 am, and it's already 37 C with the humidex.
 
2013-08-26 12:44:06 PM
I can't believe they haven't moved onto to something a bit less stupid as a counterpoint.  It's like children who are like:  "look mom the sun is out why would I need a coat".
 
2013-08-26 01:34:10 PM

TopoGigo: phrawgh: Winter's coming.

GODDAMNIT, why didn't I think to use that? That would have made my comment at least 500% more clever.


I'll withhold judgement until I see some pictures of Winter.
 
2013-08-26 02:31:35 PM

dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.


Global Wharrming is real. The impressive graphs don't lie.
img.fark.net
 
2013-08-26 02:56:40 PM

DesertDemonWY: dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.

1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?


Wait, so because that graph uses a normal that was from 25 years ago to demonstrate a noted increase in relative heat content, you're going to imply his post is erroneous? You do realize that his map came straight from NASA, right? Did you even read the purpose behind the existence of normals, or just run straight for a "gotcha"?

Here is the link to GISS temperature data. They use 1951-1980 as a baseline comparison for all the publicly available data to make it easier for making comparisons.
 
2013-08-26 03:05:01 PM

DesertDemonWY: dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.

1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?



Are you suggesting that the 1971-2000 normals are, um, warmer than the 1951-1980 normals?
 
2013-08-26 03:05:47 PM
Or even the 1981-2010 normals...
 
2013-08-26 03:20:43 PM

Zafler: DesertDemonWY: dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.

1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?

Wait, so because that graph uses a normal that was from 25 years ago to demonstrate a noted increase in relative heat content, you're going to imply his post is erroneous? You do realize that his map came straight from NASA, right? Did you even read the purpose behind the existence of normals, or just run straight for a "gotcha"?

Here is the link to GISS temperature data. They use 1951-1980 as a baseline comparison for all the publicly available data to make it easier for making comparisons

alarmist cherry picking even more alarmist

ftfy

common sense is an oxymoron: DesertDemonWY: dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.

1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?


Are you suggesting that the 1971-2000 normals are, um, warmer than the 1951-1980 normals?


1951-1980 was a relatively cold period, using that climatology makes the current relatively warm period seem that much more warmer. Couple that with the fact that NASA GISS has a long history of cooling the past and warming the present, it's no wonder that they ignore NOAA and NWS guidelines for climate normals
 
2013-08-26 03:44:00 PM
I knew he'd not actually click the link. Hey, guess what, if you don't like the 1951-1980 baseline, you can select your own:

data.giss.nasa.gov

Hmm, in spite of your claims to the contrary, there is still an obvious and significant amount of warming compared to the baseline.
 
2013-08-26 04:07:09 PM
From TFA:

"The famous Farmer's Almanac is going to damper the mood of many man-made global warming alarmists when the book hits the shelves on Monday. They predict the 2013-2014 winter will be extremely cold."

Ok, one more time.

Global warming means the weather system is absorbing more energy.  It means the baseline temperature is going up.  It also means that due to this the system has more energy in it.  The extremes will be more extreme.

Think of a pendulum.  If you give it a light shove, it will rock back and forth.  If you smack it with a baseball bat it will swing about wildly.  More energy equals more energetic oscillation.

That's global warming.  An extreme winter does not disprove it.  It is an expected result.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-08-26 05:07:23 PM
In the mid-atlantic it's been cooler and wetter this summer. Much cooler and wetter; there were no "dog days of August" this year.

Also, very few rapid temperature changes that result in violent thunderstorms. None. Which made it very boring.
 
2013-08-26 05:46:11 PM

kukukupo: thamike: If this summer felt unusually cool for you...

...you don't live in North America, Europe, Africa, South America, or Asia.

Or you're having a stroke.

I live in North America - and this is the coldest summer I've ever experienced in my lifetime.  It is about to hit 90 for only the 3rd time all summer.

/not complaining
//if this is global warming - bring it on!


It got up to 87 in Anchorage, Alaska.  In June.  I'm in Virginia, and after a few 105 with the heat index days, it's been in the mid 80s, which is comfortable for me, but hardly "unusually cool."   It's cooler down south because it's unusually hot in the north.  It's the kind of thing that leads to droughts in unusual (and unprepared) places, floods in others, and other assorted mayhem that global warming is bringing on.

But no, I'm not complaining about the weather here at all.  It's going to be a beautiful week.  I'm still going to piss in some retarded Breitbartian Corn Flakes,  though.
 
2013-08-26 07:09:13 PM
While it was a cooler than average summer here, extra-cold winters are a prediction of global warming models, so an extra cold winter wouldn't disprove global warming. Cool summers would though.
 
2013-08-26 09:28:46 PM
Not going to the link ... but fleas and ticks have been *OUTRAGEOUS* here in Tidewater Virginia after a number of mild winters.  Bring it on!
 
2013-08-26 11:22:22 PM

DesertDemonWY: Zafler: DesertDemonWY: dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.

1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?

Wait, so because that graph uses a normal that was from 25 years ago to demonstrate a noted increase in relative heat content, you're going to imply his post is erroneous? You do realize that his map came straight from NASA, right? Did you even read the purpose behind the existence of normals, or just run straight for a "gotcha"?

Here is the link to GISS temperature data. They use 1951-1980 as a baseline comparison for all the publicly available data to make it easier for making comparisons alarmist cherry picking even more alarmist

ftfy

common sense is an oxymoron: DesertDemonWY: dennysgod: [679x403 from http://data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/NMAPS/tmp_GHCN_GISS_ERSST_1200km _Anom06_2013_2013_1951_1980/nmaps.gif image 679x403]

See that little bit of "normal" in the US mid section proves global warming is false. Suck it libs.

1951-1980? Farking climate normals, how do they work?


Are you suggesting that the 1971-2000 normals are, um, warmer than the 1951-1980 normals?

1951-1980 was a relatively cold period, using that climatology makes the current relatively warm period seem that much more warmer. Couple that with the fact that NASA GISS has a long history of cooling the past and warming the present, it's no wonder that they ignore NOAA and NWS guidelines for climate normals



Your blog sucks.
 
2013-08-27 05:38:35 AM

Z1P2: While it was a cooler than average summer here, extra-cold winters are a prediction of global warming models, so an extra cold winter wouldn't disprove global warming. Cool summers would though.


You were doing just fine, then splat.
 
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