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2013-08-26 09:52:12 AM  

Epicanis: doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.

You've never had a good Lambic, then?


Nope. And I've never seen bigfoot either.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:22 AM  

doglover: Katolu: Hopefuly the current trend of "How farking hoppy can we make this?" will end soon.

Then it will be replaced with something else, like pig dick jerky straws or Bulgarian peasant colon flora extract.


I'm fairly sure the over-hoppy bullshiat microbrewers like to pull won't ever go away completely. Hops cover a multitude of sins. If you can't make good beer, just throw more hops in until nothing else can be tasted. That, in addition to the amount of time stuff ahs to sit, is why there are so many IPAs and so few actual good microbrews.

Yes, if all you make is IPAs, especially "double IPAs", you are doing the beer equivalent of drowning your food in ketchup to hide the shiatty flavor.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:42 AM  

red5ish: [501x402 from http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6109/pc5l.jpg image 501x402]


Whoever that woman is, she is the most breathlessly fear mongering lying ratings-whore on TV. Someone always has Faux on the TV in the break room at work. Just listening to her is worse for your health than aspartame is.
 
2013-08-26 10:02:33 AM  
No.  I'm good, thanks.
 
2013-08-26 10:06:54 AM  
Yeah, and bread rises because of yeast farts. So????
 
2013-08-26 10:16:04 AM  

andynz81: I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough


And lord knows doctors are never wrong or fall victim to the fear mongering from such reputable sites as this one.  I'm a year away from my MD so have worked with a good deal of doctors in the clinical setting.  The shiat I hear some (a minority, thank god) of these idiots say is either 1) completely congruent with what's taught in medical school today or 2) something that was thought to be true and has since been shown to be unsubstantiated - your example happens to fall into both.  I'd be more concerned with having an oncologist whose information comes from 1980's anecdotes.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/as pa rtame - American Cancer Society's article on aspartame
 
2013-08-26 10:17:02 AM  
*not congruent
 
2013-08-26 10:28:04 AM  
So's alcohol and everything else except for Penicillin and Neomycin.  Hell, even Kanamycin (used in aquariums, kidney toxic to all mammals) is from a bacteria that was forced to mutate from the one that makes neomycin.

Did you know there is no "whole food" bread available in north america?    The wheat used was genetically modified in 1956.  IT WAS SPLICED and now 94% of the world grows it and further developments from it.
 
2013-08-26 10:30:25 AM  

doglover: Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic

Lambics are fruit beers.


You are mistaken.
It IS true that they OFTEN are, but not always. "Lambic" is the style of fermentation. Those that undergo secondary fermentation with fruit have their own names (Kriek, Framboise, etc.).

As for IPA:

Good
Hoppy

pick one.


You'll get no argument from me on that one, however.

/It's like people who act as though the only goal of making chili is to make it as spicy as possible.
//"Who cares if I made it out of McDonald's meat-like-burger-product and Taco Bell refried beans? It's got like 20 habaneros in it!"
 
2013-08-26 10:45:19 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized.

This is the guy who criticizes my knowledge of biology.

You think chickens stop laying when there are no roosters about?

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?


Facepalm.  I collected eggs every single day for something like 2 months for a research project.  Unless the roosters in the next room let themselves out, fertilized 90 chickens, and then let themselves back into their cages, closing the door behind them, this fertilized egg thing is bullshiat.  Christ this is high school biology here.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:04 AM  
That's why I only use sugar. You guys are suckers.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:36 AM  

ZeroCorpse: What it really comes down to is that Aspartame and Sucralose  taste nastyto me. They have a weird undertaste, and the "sweet" isn't the same  kind  of sweet as sugar.

I would LOVE it if someone made a cola sweetened with Stevia. It's a hell of a lot better tasting than Aspartame or Sucralose (or Saccharine, which I hated). What TRULY sucks is that Coca-Cola actually markets a Stevia product (Truvia), which is a sweetener. They said they'd market beverages sweetened with their Truvia, but I have yet to see Coca-Cola sweetened with it.

Pepsi followed with their own announcement of intention to use Stevia to sweeten beverages, but never made good on it from what I've seen... Unless it's only in their tea or other products.

Dammit, give me a COLA that uses Stevia and doesn't taste like nasty Diet Coke, Coke Zero, or Tab.


Stevia is in Vitamin Water Zero and Sobe "zero" calorie and even reduced calorie drinks. Stevia is also, apparently, a diuretic...
 
2013-08-26 11:11:34 AM  
I accidentally ate a teaspoonful of aspartame once. I felt dizzy after 10 minutes. Therefore I'll stick to my natural sugar.
 
2013-08-26 11:42:48 AM  
Sorry guys, looks like you'll have to switch back to genetically modified yeast excrement.
farm5.staticflickr.com
Don't let me ruin it for you though.
 
2013-08-26 11:54:49 AM  

USP .45: So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?


They probably are.  I'm more curious whether any of the "bacteria feces" nutjobs are also concerned with their gut flora. If they're so concerned with bacteria feces, they should stop eating altogether!
 
2013-08-26 12:28:54 PM  
Haters gonna hate.  Stay the hell away from my aspartame!
 
2013-08-26 12:44:08 PM  
stop using  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin#Discovery  Penicillin, subby.  please.
 
2013-08-26 01:34:15 PM  

TomD9938: doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.

That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

[480x360 from http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/4f9543776bb3f71353000006-480/ conocophillips-oil-refinery-energy-plant-crude.jpg image 480x360]


Oh man did I piss my friend off once. He made me a cheese sandwich and it taste awful. I told I thought that it was bad, because it was not Velveeta on Wonder Bread fried up in a pan with a half a stick of butter used for each slice of bread. Apparently he had used real expensive cheese, and bread, lightly toasted in an oven and served it with some kind of fancy tomato soup, a recipe he got out of a gourmet cookbook.

It propably tasted great to people who have taste, but I grew up on Wonder Bread, Velveeta deep fried in butter and by god that is what a cheese sandwich should taste like.
 
2013-08-26 01:44:52 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: TomD9938: doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.

That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

[480x360 from http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/4f9543776bb3f71353000006-480/ conocophillips-oil-refinery-energy-plant-crude.jpg image 480x360]

Oh man did I piss my friend off once. He made me a cheese sandwich and it taste awful. I told I thought that it was bad, because it was not Velveeta on Wonder Bread fried up in a pan with a half a stick of butter used for each slice of bread. Apparently he had used real expensive cheese, and bread, lightly toasted in an oven and served it with some kind of fancy tomato soup, a recipe he got out of a gourmet cookbook.

It propably tasted great to people who have taste, but I grew up on Wonder Bread, Velveeta deep fried in butter and by god that is what a cheese sandwich should taste like.


"People with taste" probably think that expansive fancy organic pile of crap they call a gourmet cheese sandwich is good because they've never had a real Velveeta cheese sandwich fried in butter on white bread.
 
2013-08-26 01:53:21 PM  

mgshamster: Andrew Weil, MD (Self described as the "guru of alternative medicine," this guy uses his credentials to spread misinformation and lies about science and medicine).


Anyone who thinks Weil is a quack is unable to form an opinion without being spoonfed the ingredients for that opinion.  Like the moron who calls his blog quackwatch.

Hey, as long as you trust Donald Rumsfeld to make the right decision, you don't need to worry about aspartame.
 
2013-08-26 02:24:28 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: You've also demonstrated that you're unaware of the actual definitions of the terms metabolism, foodstuff, body -- à la body [of the yeast] -- nutrient, aerobic or even harvest.

Right.

A chemical in itself, for instance a sugar, can't be a foodstuff.

Correct. It's a nutrient.

Metabolism doesn't include catabolism
Actually, for the third farking time,I said that digestion doesn't include catabolism.

A yeast can't be an individual organism, so it can't have a body.
Right.

food calories aren't part of nutrition
??? Were you having a seizure? Seriously, where and when did I ever imply anything like that?

Generating ATP via respiration can't be called harvesting energy
[see previous response]

Aerobic (w/ oxygen) respiration can't proceed from the results of anaerobic respiration (fermentation).
Okay, you don't think that we actually metabolize ethanol, do you? And, besides we probably could, but it depends on each specific waste product.

Got it, swifty.
No. You don't. You've misrepresented 85% of what I've said.

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?
Oops! One mistake compared to, well, the vast majority of everything you've been saying so far. I'm not really feeling all that guilty. Your representation of egg-laying is still just as ridiculous and fear-mongering.
 
2013-08-26 02:26:46 PM  
All I know is fire can't melt steel.
 
2013-08-26 02:31:12 PM  

CWeinerWV: Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized.

This is the guy who criticizes my knowledge of biology.

You think chickens stop laying when there are no roosters about?

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?

Facepalm.  I collected eggs every single day for something like 2 months for a research project.  Unless the roosters in the next room let themselves out, fertilized 90 chickens, and then let themselves back into their cages, closing the door behind them, this fertilized egg thing is bullshiat.  Christ this is high school biology here.


That was my mistake. Though, considering the conversation I'm in the middle of, I don't feel very guilty about it. I must take responsibility, however. I apologize. I posted that without double-checking.
 
2013-08-26 02:40:23 PM  
Finally figured out that aspartame was the cause of some of the worst foot pain in my life.
Was drinking gallons of those zero calorie waters sweetened with the stuff but never made the connection between them and pain so bad I could barely walk on my right foot.
/Doctors said was gout, bastards
 
2013-08-26 02:41:37 PM  

knobmaker: mgshamster: Andrew Weil, MD (Self described as the "guru of alternative medicine," this guy uses his credentials to spread misinformation and lies about science and medicine).

Anyone who thinks Weil is a quack is unable to form an opinion without being spoonfed the ingredients for that opinion.  Like the moron who calls his blog quackwatch.

Hey, as long as you trust Donald Rumsfeld to make the right decision, you don't need to worry about aspartame.


Love it! Instead of using facts and evidence, morons (or potential trolls) go straight to the ad hominems. Ha! Never fails, does it?

For our other readers, let me respond:

If Weil was legitimate and honestly cared about finding the truth rather than peddling lies, he would espouse the scientific method and research in order to show what was safe and effective (rather than criticising it). He would not espouse the philosophy of "I know it works because I believe it, and research will later prove that it is safe and effective, like we already believe now" BS that he peddles.

Anyways, I can be as trolley as knobmaker, here: anyone who thinks weil (or any of the alt med stuff) is legitimate is a moron who cannot evaluate evidence, or even think for themselves; they must be spoon fed information because they cannot determine reality from fantasy.

Look people, here's how it works in reality:

We have only a few options for any sort of treatment (preventative or otherwise).

1) Safe and effective
2) Unsafe and effective
3) Safe and ineffective
4) Unsafe and ineffective
5) Undetermined

Traditional medicine (aka "Western Medicine) uses 1 and 2 only. #2 is used only when the benefits outweigh the risks, such as surgery (deliberately cutting and harming someone in order to cure them) or chemotherapy.

Alternative medicine folk usually espouse that because #2 exists, all of "western" medicine is bad, and therefore we must only use 3-5 (or in the case of Dr. Weil - "integrate" 1 and 2 with 3-5). #5 is a particular favorite for alt med folk, because they can make up whatever they want and use anecdotes as evidence, and then claim that science will eventually catch up (while at the same time they bash science for #1 and #2).

Can anecdotes be used as evidence? Yes, but barely. It's one of the worst forms of evidence out there, and should only be used as a jumping point for real research. But alt med folk typically don't want to do research (or the research they do perform is typically poor in quality and analysis), because if they do it might contradict their pet theory.

That's the issue I have with Dr. Weil: He wants to "integrate" legitimate research and scientific evidence (#1 and #2) with poor research, anecdotes as "proof," and flat out made up BS like homeopathy. That's not what a legitimate scientist (or anyone who wants to discover fact from fiction) does. He's a con man and a liar, but he performs his cons subtlety by claiming that he just wants to "integrate" the bad with the good. Weasel words from a weasley man.
 
2013-08-26 02:47:39 PM  

prjindigo: Did you know there is no "whole food" bread available in north america?    The wheat used was genetically modified in 1956.  IT WAS SPLICED and now 94% of the world grows it and further developments from it.



And look what THAT caused!

neatnik2009.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-26 02:52:54 PM  
As always, the derp is strong with anything posted on Mike Adams' site.  The most obvious howler is that what bacteria do to get rid of waste products cannot reasonably be described as "defecation", nor is the excreted material "feces".  In fact the patent doesn't appear to contemplate specifically recovering waste product, just going after it wherever it shows up:

"The desired protein is then harvested from the culture of cloned microorganism. If the desired protein is secreted by the microorganism, the protein may be drawn off in a solution such as a supernatant. If the protein is retained in the cells, the cells may be lysed and centrifuged to remove cell walls and other insoluble material. Small molecules are removed from the supernatant by appropriate methods such as dialysis or molecular sieve."

If the bacteria secrete it externally, fine.  If not, render 'em down and get it that way.
 
2013-08-26 02:54:32 PM  

mgshamster: Slaves2Darkness: TomD9938: doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.

That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

[480x360 from http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/4f9543776bb3f71353000006-480/ conocophillips-oil-refinery-energy-plant-crude.jpg image 480x360]

Oh man did I piss my friend off once. He made me a cheese sandwich and it taste awful. I told I thought that it was bad, because it was not Velveeta on Wonder Bread fried up in a pan with a half a stick of butter used for each slice of bread. Apparently he had used real expensive cheese, and bread, lightly toasted in an oven and served it with some kind of fancy tomato soup, a recipe he got out of a gourmet cookbook.

It propably tasted great to people who have taste, but I grew up on Wonder Bread, Velveeta deep fried in butter and by god that is what a cheese sandwich should taste like.

"People with taste" probably think that expansive fancy organic pile of crap they call a gourmet cheese sandwich is good because they've never had a real Velveeta cheese sandwich fried in butter on white bread.



You two probably also enjoy piping hot gazpacho soup!
 
2013-08-26 02:57:09 PM  

mgshamster: 4) Unsafe and ineffective


When I was in high school, a fellow student told me that AIDS could be cured by injecting a small amount of gasoline into the patient's veins. I told him that any cure for anything has to leave the host alive, but that seemed to confuse and anger him.

I've never thought about these treatment categories before, but Imma go ahead and label the "Gasoline cures AIDS" treatment as unsafe and ineffective.

/CSB
 
2013-08-26 03:39:16 PM  

doglover: Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic

Lambics are fruit beers.



No, Framboise and Kriek are fruit beers, as are serveal others.. Gueuze, on the other hand, has no fruit in it, and it is made in a manner similar to Guinness Extra Stout. PS: Guinness Extra Stout has several bacteria in its overall brewing strain mix, too.

Stop being a sissy about beer.
 
2013-08-26 04:38:52 PM  
Good to think about the next time you shun something like offal.
 
2013-08-26 05:14:37 PM  

SweetHomeNowhere: I accidentally ate a teaspoonful of aspartame once. I felt dizzy after 10 minutes. Therefore I'll stick to my natural sugar.


Just imagine what would have happened if you'd tried a tsp of caffeine!

/poison's in the dose
 
2013-08-26 06:09:37 PM  

kaedric: ZeroCorpse: I would LOVE it if someone made a cola sweetened with Stevia. It's a hell of a lot better tasting than Aspartame or Sucralose (or Saccharine, which I hated). What TRULY sucks is that Coca-Cola actually markets a Stevia product (Truvia), which is a sweetener. They said they'd market beverages sweetened with their Truvia, but I have yet to see Coca-Cola sweetened with it.

 [274x513 from http://www.zevia.com/sites/default/files/cola.png image 274x513]


You're a saint. Thanks!
 
2013-08-26 06:55:49 PM  

Haoie: Good to think about the next time you shun something like offal.


Fun Fact: People used to throw away baby back ribs as 'offal' and now they cost $10-$20 a rack raw.  Funny stuff.
 
2013-08-26 07:35:44 PM  
let me just put the tip in
 
2013-08-26 07:53:02 PM  
that's some good shiat
 
2013-08-26 07:59:55 PM  

mgshamster: USP .45: So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?

They probably are.  I'm more curious whether any of the "bacteria feces" nutjobs are also concerned with their gut flora. If they're so concerned with bacteria feces, they should stop eating altogether!


Lets take the "embryonic" out of it.  What's come out of stem cell research?  My understanding, not much.
 
2013-08-26 10:28:08 PM  

gnadfly: mgshamster: USP .45: So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?

They probably are.  I'm more curious whether any of the "bacteria feces" nutjobs are also concerned with their gut flora. If they're so concerned with bacteria feces, they should stop eating altogether!

Lets take the "embryonic" out of it.  What's come out of stem cell research?  My understanding, not much.


Actually, a lot is coming out of stem cell research. They'e growing livers from stem cells. Mouse livers, to be sure, but it's promising.

Interesting thing is - embryonic lines have been none starters. All the advances have been from ... "mature" cells. Not an accurate term, but the best I got.
 
2013-08-27 02:10:27 AM  
Has anyone pointed out yet that all things are made of chemicals -so eat/drink up?

Context means what?
 
2013-08-27 08:51:01 AM  

ArmednHammered: brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.

Admins approve links, Mods have got nothing to do with it. Direct your rage where appropriate. http://www.fark.com/farq/faq/#What.27s_the_difference_between_a_moder a tor_and_an_admin.3F
/not a Mod or Admin.


Thanks for the info!
 
2013-08-27 09:23:08 AM  

doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.


Just got around to refreshing the thread after I posted. Completely got my food poopers mixed up, which is embarrassing because I do a lot of microbiology stuff at work, and do a lot of yeast stuff after work.

Also, thpppt. YOU'RE the dubious.
 
2013-08-27 01:13:02 PM  

blacksho89: Interesting thing is - embryonic lines have been none starters. All the advances have been from ... "mature" cells. Not an accurate term, but the best I got.


Actually, the take I've gotten from the research is that they get hints from embryonic lines which lead to ideas to manipulate adult stem cells to do what they want.

You want to be able to do this stuff with mature stem cells anyways because that's how you get a genetic match for your lab-grown replacement organ.

IE embryonic stem cell research is 'theoretical' research, adult stem cells are practical/application research.
 
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