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2013-08-25 08:54:07 PM
So?

Pretty much all red food coloring is just crushed beetles

Shellac is an excretion from the Lac beetle that helps them stick to the trees they like to live on. In addition to the wood finish products an edible form of shellac is what makes your apples shine and makes the hard candy shell around many candies like Skittles and such

Plenty of other horrifying things we eat and don't think about, so I'm not afraid of a little aspartame!
 
2013-08-25 09:00:01 PM
OMG GMO CHEMICALS!!!1!!
 
2013-08-25 09:40:34 PM
This sh*t again?

/I should've known from a site called "natural news"
 
2013-08-25 09:58:30 PM
But it tastes so good ...

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-08-25 10:02:26 PM
Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.
 
2013-08-25 10:02:59 PM
I can only assume that there are no Type I Diabetes patients who are also anti-GMO idiots. Almost all of those insulin shots for diabetes patients? Yeah, that's all GM-bacteria excrement.

And, wow, is that website ever full of a lot of paranoid craziness! :o
 
2013-08-25 10:16:52 PM
 
2013-08-25 10:17:53 PM
So is insulin.
 
2013-08-25 10:24:04 PM
What a genetically modified organism might look like...

madamezooble.com
 
2013-08-25 10:26:18 PM
I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.
 
2013-08-25 10:44:30 PM
Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.
 
2013-08-25 10:45:49 PM

Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.


Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.
 
2013-08-25 11:07:09 PM
Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?
 
2013-08-25 11:17:27 PM
harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com
www.randrlife.co.uk

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.
 
2013-08-25 11:37:34 PM
And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?
 
2013-08-25 11:49:36 PM
Meh. Eating slime poop would be a step up from rush week
 
2013-08-25 11:50:31 PM
and booze is shiat/piss from yeast munching on sugar.

and?
 
2013-08-25 11:50:50 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

What "bacteria excrement" might look like.

Would you like to know more?
 
2013-08-25 11:51:52 PM
Subby going to post about ley lines and Morgellon's next?
 
2013-08-25 11:52:02 PM

RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.


Why don't you respect my culture?
 
2013-08-25 11:52:23 PM

Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?


www.davidstuff.com
I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.
 
2013-08-25 11:52:56 PM
"Aspartame is not only sweeter than sucrose, but is preferable as a food to sucrose. While sucrose can provide the body with little more than energy, aspartame is composed of amino acids, the building blocks of body proteins, and like other proteins is broken down by the digestive enzymes in the stomach to its constituent amino acids thus providing nutritive value."

Ok subby, can you explain why I should be horrified by that?
 
2013-08-25 11:53:38 PM

RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.


This. Browse some of the other articles on that site if you doubt the kook factor. Bunch of tinfoil-hatted alarmist ninnies.
 
2013-08-25 11:53:41 PM
I don't really care that it is made from genetically modified bacteria excrement. I avoid aspartame because it gives me splitting headaches.
 
2013-08-25 11:53:53 PM

Majick Thise: Plenty of other horrifying things we eat


What's the difference between boogers and broccoli?
Kids won't eat broccoli.
 
2013-08-25 11:54:13 PM
Alchohol is yeast poop, and the bubbles in your beer are their burps suspended in liquid.
 
2013-08-25 11:54:15 PM

RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.


Yum. So much this. Bacteria are our friends.

But I still pass on the aspartame.

/The aftertaste is just so wrong.
 
2013-08-25 11:54:22 PM

Uisce Beatha: I don't really care that it is made from genetically modified bacteria excrement. I avoid aspartame because it gives me splitting headaches.


Same here.
 
2013-08-25 11:54:39 PM
I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Came here to say this.  Except for the super hoppy part - not a huge fan of overhopped beers.
 
2013-08-25 11:55:09 PM

RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.


The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.
 
2013-08-25 11:55:15 PM
Castoreum is a horrific additive in some artificial raspberry and strawberry flavors, perfumes, and medicines. It comes from a beaver's scent glands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum
 
2013-08-25 11:55:34 PM
Even more shocking, Soylent Green is people! And what's worse, it's not even made from attractive people.

/you're welcome to have my slice of Edward G. Robinson rump roast if you want it. No, really, it's all yours!
 
2013-08-25 11:55:50 PM
www.tackytreasures.com
 
2013-08-25 11:55:57 PM
I'm a poop fan. That's just who I am.


/likes some Sweet n Low in tea
 
2013-08-25 11:56:10 PM

farkingismybusiness: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.

Why don't you respect my culture?



BIATCH!

Made me chortle!

Woke the Mrs.!

Now I AM in trouble

/Biatch
 
2013-08-25 11:56:56 PM

doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.


While you are correct about the IPA, my favorite beers come in a more sour forms.
 
2013-08-25 11:57:21 PM

scubamage: Alchohol is yeast poop, and the bubbles in your beer are their burps FARTS suspended in liquid.


FTFY.

/Pass the pitcher
 
2013-08-25 11:57:24 PM

Trocadero: Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?


I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.


Oh great, now I'm gonna have to stick to a strict beer diet
 
2013-08-25 11:57:31 PM
There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.
 
2013-08-25 11:58:11 PM
.. u

^ Two bacteria one cup?

//You cannot unsee
 
2013-08-25 11:58:21 PM

RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.



PRAISE CHEESES!!!
 
2013-08-25 11:58:58 PM

brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.


I think there's been a coup and Drew is no longer in charge. Anyone seen him lately??
 
2013-08-25 11:59:55 PM
If your government cared about you sodas would not be sold at all.
 
2013-08-26 12:00:31 AM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.

I think there's been a coup and Drew is no longer in charge. Anyone seen him lately??



Rumor has it that he's been deploying chemical weapons against the Reddit Rebels.
 
2013-08-26 12:01:10 AM

KrispyKritter: If your government cared about you sodas would not be sold at all.



It's the carbonation, right?
 
2013-08-26 12:01:33 AM

Amos Quito: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.


PRAISE CHEESES!!!


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-08-26 12:01:50 AM

Amos Quito: farkingismybusiness: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.

Why don't you respect my culture?


BIATCH!

Made me chortle!

Woke the Mrs.!

Now I AM in trouble

/Biatch


Eh, it was a little cheesy.
 
2013-08-26 12:02:07 AM

doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.


You've never had a good Lambic, then?
 
2013-08-26 12:02:36 AM

farkingismybusiness: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.

Why don't you respect my culture?


Very well done!


Anyway I don't care what it's made from. Aspartame makes me feel hungover and taste like ass. That's why I avoid it.
 
2013-08-26 12:02:41 AM
Green-light everything please.
 
2013-08-26 12:03:07 AM

Uisce Beatha: I don't really care that it is made from genetically modified bacteria excrement. I avoid aspartame because it gives me splitting headaches.


Uncontrollable flatulence.
 
2013-08-26 12:03:32 AM
Surely there exists a magical device capable of replicating anything at all? Why do we still use medieval Luddite technologies like how they made cheese 600 years ago????
 
2013-08-26 12:03:36 AM

Trocadero: Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?

[206x263 from http://www.davidstuff.com/general/wcfields1.jpg image 206x263]
I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.


I was told that once, by a former guitarist of Crazy Horse, while waiting for a plane at LAX.

He then went on a 20 minute diatribe on how he hated Neil Young.

Best time waiting for a plane I've ever had.
 
2013-08-26 12:03:47 AM
So . . . aspartame is e. coli poop . . . pretty much now everybody is into scat?
 
2013-08-26 12:03:50 AM
i279.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-26 12:03:55 AM
It puts the ass in Aspartame.
 
2013-08-26 12:04:20 AM
god help then when they learn about yeast
 
2013-08-26 12:04:24 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.


And water is one hydrogen atom away from being certain death!
 
2013-08-26 12:04:31 AM
So is "human" insulin (the stuff diabetics inject) -- among many, many other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#Synthesis_2
 
2013-08-26 12:04:40 AM

Epicanis: doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.

You've never had a good Lambic, then?


I don't think anyone has.


/ducks
 
2013-08-26 12:05:03 AM

Uisce Beatha: I don't really care that it is made from genetically modified bacteria excrement. I avoid aspartame because it gives me splitting headaches.


Same here.
 
2013-08-26 12:05:17 AM
Submitter, what are your feelings on oral sex?
 
2013-08-26 12:05:23 AM

farkingismybusiness: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.

Why don't you respect my culture?


he is whey over the line
 
2013-08-26 12:05:26 AM

Uisce Beatha: I don't really care that it is made from genetically modified bacteria excrement. I avoid aspartame because it gives me splitting headaches.


The people who make and sell aspartame tell me you're wrong, and who am I going to believe, a pack of well-dressed corporate executives or a farker with a splitting headache?
 
2013-08-26 12:05:31 AM

picturescrazy: Anyway I don't care what it's made from. Aspartame makes me feel hungover and taste like ass. That's why I avoid it.


Which, along with the headaches mentioned previously, is a valid reason to avoid it. Just like people who have an intolerance to gluten or lactose have valid reasons to avoid those products... they usually don't try and get the rest of society to do so as well because of their issues with it like these nutters.
 
2013-08-26 12:05:42 AM
Bacteria excrement, you say? YUM, I say.

I wish I could quit you, Diet Dr. Pepper.
 
2013-08-26 12:05:56 AM

brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.


The shrill shill tone of the writing is plainly obvious even to me at midnight at the end of a day in the sun, on four hours' sleep after a with a half a bottle of wine downrange. Anyone who reads this article and puts sufficient stock in its writers to draw any alarm from it whatsoever deserves to have a panic attack.
 
2013-08-26 12:06:06 AM
Uuuuhhhhm. Alcohol. How does it work?
 
2013-08-26 12:06:25 AM
bee spit

www.suebee.com
 
2013-08-26 12:07:02 AM
Is there any food that does NOT have an aesthetically displeasing manufacture process? As has already been pointed out in this thread, water has fish poop and dolphin cum in it, cheese and yogurt are made with bacteria, booze is made from the by-product of fungus eating sugar, and meat is dead animals.

Even "natural" fruits and veggies are subject to these nauseating shenanigans -- somebody's gotta take that produce out of the ground or off of the vine, and chances are it isn't the guy who gets paid enough to afford basic toiletries like hand-washing soap.
 
2013-08-26 12:07:55 AM
Hey Natural News: Do you know what makes bread so light and fluffy?

Yeast excrement.
 
2013-08-26 12:08:20 AM

brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.


I don't see a problem with it, these kind of threads typically generate the most interesting posts, which is kind of the whole point isn't it?
 
2013-08-26 12:09:07 AM
Canton:
/The aftertaste is just so wrong.

So much this. I'll keep using sugar, instead of replacing it with something that just plain tastes bad, just so I don't have to get as much exercise.

/does one more 12 oz curl because, you know, exercise.
 
2013-08-26 12:10:34 AM

Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic


Lambics are fruit beers.

As for IPA:

Good
Hoppy

pick one.
 
2013-08-26 12:11:55 AM

miscreant: picturescrazy: Anyway I don't care what it's made from. Aspartame makes me feel hungover and taste like ass. That's why I avoid it.

Which, along with the headaches mentioned previously, is a valid reason to avoid it. Just like people who have an intolerance to gluten or lactose have valid reasons to avoid those products... they usually don't try and get the rest of society to do so as well because of their issues with it like these nutters.


I don't like to side with nutters and I have no problem with other people drinking diet pop or putting it in their coffee or whatever, but at the same time I do have a big problem with their industry. It wasn't too long ago there was an article here about people trying to change rules so they could put aspartame in milk without the logo on the front. Never found out how that went, but fark that.
 
2013-08-26 12:13:09 AM

doglover: Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic

Lambics are fruit beers.

As for IPA:

Good
Hoppy

pick one.


Hopefuly the current trend of "How farking hoppy can we make this?" will end soon.
 
2013-08-26 12:13:55 AM

King Something: Is there any food that does NOT have an aesthetically displeasing manufacture process? As has already been pointed out in this thread, water has fish poop and dolphin cum in it, cheese and yogurt are made with bacteria, booze is made from the by-product of fungus eating sugar, and meat is dead animals.


It also has human shiat, puke, piss and whatever else gets flushed down the toilet/sink in it. Or do you think your household waste water goes to some magical holding tank, never to be seen again?
 
2013-08-26 12:14:56 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?


I refuse to eat pigs and lamb.  I will eat some humanely raised chickens and grass fed beef that was humanely executed.
 
2013-08-26 12:15:41 AM
And beer is made from bug piss.  Which means don't crap where you piss.  Otherwise you might brew one hell of a beer.
 
2013-08-26 12:16:07 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.


Sucralose and Ethylene glycol don't look anything alike to me.
 
2013-08-26 12:16:47 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Trocadero: Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?

I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.

Oh great, now I'm gonna have to stick to a strict beer diet


Fun fact: Beer was necessary for civilization. Early big cities had a horrible time getting access to drinkable water, so they drank beer instead. It's one of the reasons people of American Indian descent often don't have a tolerance for alcohol: they never lived in big cities where there was a sewage problem.

Yay beer!
 
2013-08-26 12:17:01 AM

Katolu: And water is one hydrogen atom away from being certain death!


It took me a second to realize what you meant - and then I went "OH!"
 
2013-08-26 12:18:04 AM

brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.


Admins approve links, Mods have got nothing to do with it. Direct your rage where appropriate. http://www.fark.com/farq/faq/#What.27s_the_difference_between_a_moder a tor_and_an_admin.3F
/not a Mod or Admin.
 
2013-08-26 12:19:11 AM

Bucky Katt: bee spit vomit

[450x339 from http://www.suebee.com/sites/default/files/honey.jpg image 450x339]


FTFY.
 
2013-08-26 12:20:07 AM

ERNesbitt: Castoreum is a horrific additive in some artificial raspberry and strawberry flavors, perfumes, and medicines. It comes from a beaver's anal scent glands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum


F(clarified)TFY
 
2013-08-26 12:20:08 AM

RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.


Let alone an icon of their own.
 
2013-08-26 12:21:03 AM
I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough
 
2013-08-26 12:21:37 AM
i28.photobucket.com

Natural News is basically WorldNutDaily for health-conscious people. It promotes conspiracies and utter bullshiat.

Their take on vaccines:
http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines_get_the_full_story.html

How to "cure" cancer with vitamins and foods
http://www.naturalnews.com/cancer.html

Fark Mike Adams up the arse with a rusty chainsaw. I've defriended people on Fb who kept posting their crap.
 
2013-08-26 12:21:43 AM

Harry_Seldon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?

I refuse to eat pigs and lamb.  I will eat some humanely raised chickens and grass fed beef that was humanely executed.


Depending on where you live, you may be able to find locally (and humanely) raised lamb and pigs, too.
 
2013-08-26 12:24:50 AM
In much the same way, oxygen is the excrement of plants!

And let me tell you, most of those plants are complete assholes.
 
2013-08-26 12:25:50 AM

doglover: Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic

Lambics are fruit beers.

As for IPA:

Good
Hoppy

pick one.


Lambic doesnt necessarily mean fruity, it just means it was fermented with wild yeast.
 
2013-08-26 12:26:11 AM

Enigmamf: HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.

Sucralose and Ethylene glycol don't look anything alike to me.


They do to some idiots. I have two friends who are chemists, and I use this whenever I want to annoy them:

Link
 
2013-08-26 12:27:09 AM

HotWingAgenda: Enigmamf: HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.

Sucralose and Ethylene glycol don't look anything alike to me.

They do to some idiots. I have two friends who are chemists, and I use this whenever I want to annoy them:

Link


farking hell. Here, copy and paste. http://food-safety.knoji.com/relieving-fatigue-experiment-1-cutting-ou t-sweet-poison-sucralose/
 
2013-08-26 12:27:32 AM

boinkingbill: bug piss


Wat da fuq? That's not even close. It's made from fungus shiat.
 
2013-08-26 12:27:50 AM

doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.


That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

static3.businessinsider.com
 
2013-08-26 12:27:55 AM

mamoru: I can only assume that there are no Type I Diabetes patients who are also anti-GMO idiots. Almost all of those insulin shots for diabetes patients? Yeah, that's all GM-bacteria excrement.

And, wow, is that website ever full of a lot of paranoid craziness! :o


I'm surprised you haven't heard of Mike Adams (and Natural News) before, as knowledgeable as you are of biology and science.

/I've had you farkied in green for years.
 
2013-08-26 12:30:08 AM

doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.


Sour ales frequently are inoculated with lactobacillus actually.
/The more you know.
 
2013-08-26 12:30:23 AM

fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Trocadero: Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?

I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.

Oh great, now I'm gonna have to stick to a strict beer diet

Fun fact: Beer was necessary for civilization. Early big cities had a horrible time getting access to drinkable water, so they drank beer instead. It's one of the reasons people of American Indian descent often don't have a tolerance for alcohol: they never lived in big cities where there was a sewage problem.

Yay beer!



Beer: It makes sewage drinkable.

/Yay?
 
2013-08-26 12:31:37 AM
Holy fark, this intrigued me so i did some research.  It turns out that they use the excrement of the same critter that makes pussies smelly to make beer!  GASP!  STFU.
 
2013-08-26 12:32:44 AM

andynz81: I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough


I don't care who you are, if you can't back up your belief with a review of the medical literature (and I don't mean cherry-picking a single study, I mean evaluating the consensus of standard of care established by relevant specialties), then you're no better than someone babbling about neoplasteons.

It's very difficult to be a commoner in this world, relying on the expertise of others about advise that can have a huge effect on our lives. But in this internet era, and especially with the dawning of the age of Open Access, that doesn't mean you have to take everything your doctor says without question, like some neolithic cowering from the spell of a shaman.
 
2013-08-26 12:33:58 AM

HotWingAgenda: HotWingAgenda: Enigmamf: HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.

Sucralose and Ethylene glycol don't look anything alike to me.

They do to some idiots. I have two friends who are chemists, and I use this whenever I want to annoy them:

Link

farking hell. Here, copy and paste. http://food-safety.knoji.com/relieving-fatigue-experiment-1-cutting-ou t-sweet-poison-sucralose/


Good god!

I can't be too surprised by it, though; I've seen similar arguments with other chemicals.  I once saw someone argue that one type of bleach was safe to consume because it wasn't chemically identical to the bleach you buy in the store.
 
2013-08-26 12:34:06 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

It is all the same shiat, people. Atoms are atoms. It doesn't matter where they come from.
 
2013-08-26 12:34:27 AM

Cyno01: Lambic doesnt necessarily mean fruity, it just means it was fermented with wild yeast.


Tell that to Belgium.

Anyway, wild yeast is still not bacteria.

DeadPuppySociety: Sour ales frequently are inoculated with lactobacillus actually.


There's sour ales? Hmmm, may have to try and find that.

Katolu: Hopefuly the current trend of "How farking hoppy can we make this?" will end soon.


Then it will be replaced with something else, like pig dick jerky straws or Bulgarian peasant colon flora extract.
 
2013-08-26 12:37:27 AM
FTFA: So there we have it: An official document that not only reveals the shocking truth behind aspartame production, but also freely admits that it was intended for mass consumption as a sucrose substitute. Therefore, the next time someone claims that your reservations about this sweetener are unfounded, direct them to this patent - the truth behind aspartame is now in plain view.

So aspartame
1. Is made through bacteria cultures like cheese, yogurt, and other food products.
2. Was created to be a sugar substitute marketed to consumers.
3. Since it is a protein, the producer feels it might be more beneficial nutritionally than sugar.

As hard as I am trying, I am having a difficult time generating any outrage over this. Rather than feeling concerned; I am feeling more confused over what exactly is the conspiracy regarding aspartame, and what are the desired end results of the conspirators. The author has failed to explain those two important points.
 
2013-08-26 12:39:43 AM
GM feces. I think I drove one of those in the 70's
 
2013-08-26 12:39:47 AM

heavymetal: FTFA: So there we have it: An official document that not only reveals the shocking truth behind aspartame production, but also freely admits that it was intended for mass consumption as a sucrose substitute. Therefore, the next time someone claims that your reservations about this sweetener are unfounded, direct them to this patent - the truth behind aspartame is now in plain view.

So aspartame
1. Is made through bacteria cultures like cheese, yogurt, and other food products.
2. Was created to be a sugar substitute marketed to consumers.
3. Since it is a protein, the producer feels it might be more beneficial nutritionally than sugar.

As hard as I am trying, I am having a difficult time generating any outrage over this. Rather than feeling concerned; I am feeling more confused over what exactly is the conspiracy regarding aspartame, and what are the desired end results of the conspirators. The author has failed to explain those two important points.


This might help you out: snopes
 
2013-08-26 12:40:06 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: [320x276 from http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cpGeRlyoAqI/TVh8atZQZfI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Hk_l85G4 5gM/s320/Aspartame_structure.png image 320x276]

It is all the same shiat, people. Atoms are atoms. It doesn't matter where they come from.


That actually looks kinda scary - I'm betting that O- is extremely reactive. What is it?
 
2013-08-26 12:42:33 AM
DRTFA or the thread.

Bread is made with yeast shiat and farts. Mmmmm

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-26 12:46:18 AM

Enigmamf: andynz81: I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough

I don't care who you are, if you can't back up your belief with a review of the medical literature (and I don't mean cherry-picking a single study, I mean evaluating the consensus of standard of care established by relevant specialties), then you're no better than someone babbling about neoplasteons.

It's very difficult to be a commoner in this world, relying on the expertise of others about advise that can have a huge effect on our lives. But in this internet era, and especially with the dawning of the age of Open Access, that doesn't mean you have to take everything your doctor says without question, like some neolithic cowering from the spell of a shaman.


Thankfully I don't have to delve that deep (I don't have the fear of cancer or the need/want for artificial sweetner). With aspartame, the allegations are sufficient to turn me off given that it has NIL benefit for me in any case. I just felt that the example of the oncologists made quite the anecdote, and as it's not a pressing issue for me I defer to their opinions quite happily, under the assumption that the prevention and curing of cancer being their specialty they generally know best, and of course that they don't have other agendas that might affect their advice.

/When I do go to the doctor, like most other kids that grew up with internet I investigate thoroughly so that I'm as informed as possible.
 
2013-08-26 12:46:39 AM

thisisarepeat: Holy fark, this intrigued me so i did some research.  It turns out that they use the excrement of the same critter that makes pussies smelly to make beer!  GASP!  STFU.


Actually, the characteristic "fishy" smell is due to Gardnerella Vaginalis.

Uncut guys can host the same organism....

And the yeast that also often occupies the female genitalia is only superficially related to those varieties that make good
  beer/wine/spirits.

However, Lactobacillus is sometimes used as a treatment for mild yeast infections.    I think fungii and bacteria have been waging
  war with each other for millions of years.  Sometimes, we get to benefit :)
 
2013-08-26 12:47:34 AM
Guess what...
...honey is?
...traditional sausages are cased in?
...silk is?
...gelatin is made from?

Did you know that...
...sprinkles ("jimmies") contain an ingredient commonly found in car wax?
...soft drinks contain a compound that's used in antifreeze and cosmetics?
...that vanilla, strawberry, or raspberry ice-cream you enjoy contains a chemical found in a beaver's anal and urine secretions?
...common table contains both a poisonous gas and a substance that explodes when it mixes with water?

images.wikia.com
 
2013-08-26 12:48:46 AM

picturescrazy: farkingismybusiness: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.

Why don't you respect my culture?

Very well done!


Anyway I don't care what it's made from. Aspartame makes me feel hungover and taste like ass. That's why I avoid it.


Agreed.  Not everyone has aspartame sensitivity.  But roughly 40% of the people I describe my symptoms to say "yeah, me too".

/anecdotal evidence is anecdotal....
 
2013-08-26 12:50:35 AM

ArcadianRefugee: common table contains both a poisonous gas and a substance that explodes when it mixes with water?


That's not a very common table. Check the settings on your 3D printer.
 
2013-08-26 12:50:43 AM
I have noted that ever since I started drinking Diet Dr Pepper, which is sweetened with Aspartame, that I have been ageing at a rate of one second per second.
 
2013-08-26 12:51:03 AM

FrancoFile: So is insulin.


THIS TIMES ONE MILLION!

I've never seen such a fundamentally flawed piece of garbage. It's not feces. Inserts to bacterial plasmids are not considered GMO by anyone who understands the process. Whoever wrote this has maybe a fourth-grade understanding of biology.
 
2013-08-26 12:51:48 AM

Katolu: HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.

And water is one hydrogen atom away from being certain death!


FARK!  water can KILL you!  omfg call somebody! (my cell plan charges minutes if you call a land line).
 
2013-08-26 12:51:53 AM
What it really comes down to is that Aspartame and Sucralose  taste nastyto me. They have a weird undertaste, and the "sweet" isn't the same  kind  of sweet as sugar.

I would LOVE it if someone made a cola sweetened with Stevia. It's a hell of a lot better tasting than Aspartame or Sucralose (or Saccharine, which I hated). What TRULY sucks is that Coca-Cola actually markets a Stevia product (Truvia), which is a sweetener. They said they'd market beverages sweetened with their Truvia, but I have yet to see Coca-Cola sweetened with it.

Pepsi followed with their own announcement of intention to use Stevia to sweeten beverages, but never made good on it from what I've seen... Unless it's only in their tea or other products.

Dammit, give me a COLA that uses Stevia and doesn't taste like nasty Diet Coke, Coke Zero, or Tab.
 
2013-08-26 12:53:05 AM

FrancoFile: So is insulin.


So is BEER!1!!11!!
 
2013-08-26 12:56:07 AM
Damn scientists obfuscating with their big words. They should use overly dramatic and misleading easy to understand sentences so we can be PROPERLY outraged.
 
2013-08-26 12:56:17 AM
Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift; allein die Dosis macht, daß ein Ding kein Gift ist.
 
2013-08-26 12:57:20 AM

ReverendJimBobHammer: FrancoFile: So is insulin.

So is BEER!1!!11!!


Oops, just woke up, thought it said MICROBE excrement.
 
2013-08-26 12:58:06 AM

EbolaNYC: Uuuuhhhhm. Alcohol. How does it work?


I also came here to support my favorite form of bacteria excrement.
 
2013-08-26 12:59:30 AM
You can have my Diet Coke when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. It hasn't got any alcohol, so fark off.

There are people out there who think other people shouldn't have any vices at all. I call these people "crazy fundies," regardless of their religious leanings.

/Recovering alcoholic.
 
2013-08-26 01:01:28 AM

andynz81: Enigmamf: andynz81: I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough

I don't care who you are, if you can't back up your belief with a review of the medical literature (and I don't mean cherry-picking a single study, I mean evaluating the consensus of standard of care established by relevant specialties), then you're no better than someone babbling about neoplasteons.

It's very difficult to be a commoner in this world, relying on the expertise of others about advise that can have a huge effect on our lives. But in this internet era, and especially with the dawning of the age of Open Access, that doesn't mean you have to take everything your doctor says without question, like some neolithic cowering from the spell of a shaman.

Thankfully I don't have to delve that deep (I don't have the fear of cancer or the need/want for artificial sweetner). With aspartame, the allegations are sufficient to turn me off given that it has NIL benefit for me in any case. I just felt that the example of the oncologists made quite the anecdote, and as it's not a pressing issue for me I defer to their opinions quite happily, under the assumption that the prevention and curing of cancer being their specialty they generally know best, and of course that they don't have other agendas that might affect their advice.

/When I do go to the doctor, like most other kids that grew up with internet I investigate thoroughly so that I'm as informed as possible.



As should everyone.

It is amazing how many people are intimidated by the "arrogant expertise" of medical professionals.

Bottom line is that it's YOUR life and YOUR health on the line, not theirs.

If your doctor doesn't like "questions", you need a new doctor.
 
2013-08-26 01:02:23 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Guess what...
...honey is?

High Fructose Corn Syrup and honey flavor.

...traditional sausages are cased in? Gelatin

...silk is? Luxurious!

...gelatin is made from? Bear snot.


Did you know that...
...sprinkles ("jimmies") contain an ingredient commonly found in car wax?


Yes! And that ingredient is green dye.

...soft drinks contain a compound that's used in antifreeze and cosmetics?

Yes! Water!

...that vanilla, strawberry, or raspberry ice-cream you enjoy contains a chemical found in a beaver's anal and urine secretions?

:\ Not the vanilla ice cream I enjoy... Homemade ice cream is sugar, cream, vanilla, and salt. I think you mean "frozen treat" and not "ice cream."


...common table contains both a poisonous gas and a substance that explodes when it mixes with water?

My table is made of wood.
 
2013-08-26 01:03:36 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: You can have my Diet Coke when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. It hasn't got any alcohol, so fark off.

There are people out there who think other people shouldn't have any vices at all. I call these people "crazy fundies," regardless of their religious leanings.

/Recovering alcoholic.


Diet Coke is not a vice. It's a punishment. A vile-tasting punishment.
 
2013-08-26 01:05:23 AM

ZeroCorpse: Diet Coke is not a vice. It's a punishment. A vile-tasting punishment.


fark off.
 
2013-08-26 01:05:45 AM
Insulin is made the same way. Bacteria don't really have feces, no gut.

Of course, this is the same bunch that calls white blood cells "pus cells" if they're in milk. I recall doing the same sort of thing in sixth grade to gross people out.
 
2013-08-26 01:11:44 AM
img821.imageshack.us
 
2013-08-26 01:13:45 AM

Enigmamf: andynz81: I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough

I don't care who you are, if you can't back up your belief with a review of the medical literature (and I don't mean cherry-picking a single study, I mean evaluating the consensus of standard of care established by relevant specialties), then you're no better than someone babbling about neoplasteons.

It's very difficult to be a commoner in this world, relying on the expertise of others about advise that can have a huge effect on our lives. But in this internet era, and especially with the dawning of the age of Open Access, that doesn't mean you have to take everything your doctor says without question, like some neolithic cowering from the spell of a shaman.


Damn straight.  Here's a short list of people who have doctorates in some way and are also major quacks:

Neal Barnard, MD (Medical adviser to PETA; believes vegan-ism can literally cure diabetes)
Stanislaus Burzynski, MD, PhD (Runs a clinic which purports to cure cancer; has been in Stage 1 clinical trials for 20+ years, and is facing multiple federal investigations).
Deepak Chopra, MD (Known as the "King of Quacks," this guy believes you can use quantum theory to magically change your destiny and life; from his own book, "[You can] use the power of quantum healing to transcend disease and aging.")
Jay Gordon, MD (This is the anti-vax queen's - Jenny McCarthy - pediatrician. He is also anti-vax)
Steven F. Hotze, M.D. (Believes that drugs can't cure disease because "diseases are not caused by a deficiency in pharmaceuticals")
Gary Null, PhD (He promotes megavitamin doses for a healthy living; almost died taking his own product which he still sells)
Memhet Oz, MD (TV show host; he promotes lots of pseudoscience and quackery on his show as if they were legitimately backed by science)
Robert Sears, MD (Anti-vax popularizer, he has written multiple books which spread myths and falsehoods about vaccines)
Andrew Wakefield, MD (This is the guy who made Vaccines-Causes-Autism movement popular worldwide via his fake research and fudged data)
Andrew Weil, MD (Self described as the "guru of alternative medicine," this guy uses his credentials to spread misinformation and lies about science and medicine).
Jordan Weiss, MD (uses "information learned from the 4th dimension" to perform "psychoenergetics" and energy healing in his practice)

I have tons more of these.  There are plenty of people who gain advanced degrees and then use their degrees and prestige to spread lies and misinformation.  Some of them are con men, some are true believers.  All of them disregard everything they have been taught about science and the scientific method in order to spread their lies.
 
2013-08-26 01:14:17 AM
Newsflash: Your organic vegetables are bathed in poop and the water you are drinking was once pissed out of a caveman's penis!
 
2013-08-26 01:19:31 AM

ArcadianRefugee: ..that vanilla, strawberry, or raspberry ice-cream you enjoy contains a chemical found in a beaver's anal and urine secretions?



upload.wikimedia.org

AND SHE BELIEVED IT!
 
2013-08-26 01:20:46 AM

patchvonbraun: thisisarepeat: Holy fark, this intrigued me so i did some research.  It turns out that they use the excrement of the same critter that makes pussies smelly to make beer!  GASP!  STFU.

Actually, the characteristic "fishy" smell is due to Gardnerella Vaginalis.

Uncut guys can host the same organism....

And the yeast that also often occupies the female genitalia is only superficially related to those varieties that make good
  beer/wine/spirits.

However, Lactobacillus is sometimes used as a treatment for mild yeast infections.    I think fungii and bacteria have been waging
  war with each other for millions of years.  Sometimes, we get to benefit :)


Cheers.  You are obviously not one of the 90% of nurses that would fark up disastrously when asked what blood types will work with others in the event of a transfusion.  That is EMT-B( Ambulance DRIVER) level education.
 
2013-08-26 01:21:03 AM

Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.


And we're done here.
 
2013-08-26 01:25:08 AM
You'll have to pry my Diet Cherry Dr Pepper from my cold dead bacteria-shiat ridden hands...
 
2013-08-26 01:25:18 AM

Enigmamf: omnibus_necanda_sunt: [320x276 from http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cpGeRlyoAqI/TVh8atZQZfI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Hk_l85G4 5gM/s320/Aspartame_structure.png image 320x276]

It is all the same shiat, people. Atoms are atoms. It doesn't matter where they come from.

That actually looks kinda scary - I'm betting that O- is extremely reactive. What is it?


I'm not sure if you're serious, based on your other posts, but I'll answer anyways.  That's aspartame.  It's just two amino acids (aspartic acid and phenylalanine) put together with an extra methyl ester attached to one end.

The N-C-C=O group is the backbone of the amino acid.  Since there are two amino acids, you should see two N-C-C=O groups in it. Aspartic Acid is on the left hand side of that image, with the extra C-COOH, and phenylalanine is the other with the extra C-6 sided ring.
 
2013-08-26 01:26:09 AM

Enigmamf: That actually looks kinda scary - I'm betting that O- is extremely reactive. What is it?


A deprotenated carboxylic acid substituent.  In an acidic environment it would pick up a proton.
 
2013-08-26 01:27:36 AM

red5ish: [501x402 from http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6109/pc5l.jpg image 501x402]


I vaguely remember something about that.  Was that actually said, and what was it in reference to?
 
2013-08-26 01:32:36 AM
Diet, low calorie, zero calorie, and every other type with fake "healthy" sweetners...they all taste like ass.  I can't stand them.

Do I really need any other reason to hate them?
 
2013-08-26 01:34:37 AM
A farking Natural News link? Seriously? What's next, Mercola? Weekly World News?
 
2013-08-26 01:35:25 AM

Emposter: Diet, low calorie, zero calorie, and every other type with fake "healthy" sweetners...they all taste like ass.  I can't stand them.

Do I really need any other reason to hate them?



Nature is sending you a message.

You are listening.

As you should.
 
2013-08-26 01:40:13 AM

The_Sponge: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

And we're done here.


Almost.  I just need the "MD" to sign the first forty pages of this script pad I lifted from his/her drawer and I will leave him/her alone for 40 or so years, then you might actually be useful, as opposed to a hurdle.

I suppose that isnt going to work for you, you need me to pay you $300 every single time I need penicillin or a muscle relaxer or a stapler because you owe 500K to the school that showed you what a sinus infection looks like.
 
2013-08-26 01:40:27 AM
www.cyclamate.org

hot as a stock holder
 
2013-08-26 01:43:07 AM
Microwaving food will KILL YOU!!

stop and think back at all the people you know who, over the years, have died from microwave popcorn.
 
2013-08-26 01:51:48 AM

mgshamster: Enigmamf: omnibus_necanda_sunt: [320x276 from http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cpGeRlyoAqI/TVh8atZQZfI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Hk_l85G4 5gM/s320/Aspartame_structure.png image 320x276]

It is all the same shiat, people. Atoms are atoms. It doesn't matter where they come from.

That actually looks kinda scary - I'm betting that O- is extremely reactive. What is it?

I'm not sure if you're serious, based on your other posts, but I'll answer anyways.  That's aspartame.  It's just two amino acids (aspartic acid and phenylalanine) put together with an extra methyl ester attached to one end.

The N-C-C=O group is the backbone of the amino acid.  Since there are two amino acids, you should see two N-C-C=O groups in it. Aspartic Acid is on the left hand side of that image, with the extra C-COOH, and phenylalanine is the other with the extra C-6 sided ring.


OK, I feel stupid for not recognizing that, so I have to write up a defense of myself. I think what threw me off is the proton transferred from the carboxyl group to the amine group. I assumed that a) carboxylic acid had a lower pH than it does, and b) your post was ironic and your point was going to be "things that look almost the same can sometimes act completely different" (kind of a counterpoint to people who expect similar-looking molecules to act the same, e.g. the person who assumed chlorine in sucralose would be dangerous because many chlorine-bearing molecules are).

Also, it's been a long time since I took organic chemistry, or any classes where the actual properties of functional groups were relevant beyond knowing they exist and being able to understand similar properties enumerated by others.

So in retrospect, I'm guessing that proton transfers pretty freely between the amine and carboxyl group?
 
2013-08-26 01:52:52 AM

Amos Quito: fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Trocadero: Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?

I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.

Oh great, now I'm gonna have to stick to a strict beer diet

Fun fact: Beer was necessary for civilization. Early big cities had a horrible time getting access to drinkable water, so they drank beer instead. It's one of the reasons people of American Indian descent often don't have a tolerance for alcohol: they never lived in big cities where there was a sewage problem.

Yay beer!

Beer: It makes sewage drinkable.

/Yay?


The brewing process kills any nasty bacteria and the alcohol content keeps it from growing.

So yes: YAY!
 
2013-08-26 01:53:50 AM

log_jammin: Microwaving food will KILL YOU!!

stop and think back at all the people you know who, over the years, have died from microwave popcorn.



Good point.

Thinking about it, of all the dead people I know, most of them likely ate microwaved popcorn at some time.


///What more proof do you want???
 
2013-08-26 01:55:25 AM

fusillade762: Amos Quito: fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Trocadero: Peter von Nostrand: And the water they make it with had fish drop deuces in. What's your point?

I never drink water, b/c fish fark in it.

Oh great, now I'm gonna have to stick to a strict beer diet

Fun fact: Beer was necessary for civilization. Early big cities had a horrible time getting access to drinkable water, so they drank beer instead. It's one of the reasons people of American Indian descent often don't have a tolerance for alcohol: they never lived in big cities where there was a sewage problem.

Yay beer!

Beer: It makes sewage drinkable.

/Yay?

The brewing process kills any nasty bacteria and the alcohol content keeps it from growing.

So yes: YAY!


changeyourchoices.files.wordpress.com

To sewage!
 
2013-08-26 02:02:09 AM

EbolaNYC: Uuuuhhhhm. Alcohol. How does it work?


Yep, pretty much. for any who DON'T know Alcohol is yeast excrement. When you give Saccharomyces cerevisiae sugar, water, and warmth, it will start growing and reproducing merrily, and will excrete CO2 and ethyl alcohol. It is how we make booze. It is called brewer's yeast when used for making beer. It is also how we make bread. Baker's yeast is Saccharomyces cerevisiae as well. Here, the alcohol isn't the interesting excretion, but rather the CO2. It is what leavens the bread and gives it texture.

So if you drink alcohol, then you really aren't in much position to whine about the excrement of single cell organisms.

Turns out, we humans have been pretty good at figuring out and using stuff that is useful to us for a long time, and that includes bacterias, yeasts, and so on.
 
2013-08-26 02:04:17 AM
So.. processed factory-farmed food is gross, so destroy it all and let the poor eat cake.

/they'd probably burn Norman Borlaug at the stake if he was still alive
//brown is the new green
 
2013-08-26 02:09:59 AM

Amos Quito: Good point.

Thinking about it, of all the dead people I know, most of them likely ate microwaved popcorn at some time.


///What more proof do you want???


for more terrifying news, think of all the water drinkers you know...
 
2013-08-26 02:20:09 AM

Enigmamf: mgshamster: Enigmamf: omnibus_necanda_sunt: [320x276 from http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cpGeRlyoAqI/TVh8atZQZfI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Hk_l85G4 5gM/s320/Aspartame_structure.png image 320x276]

It is all the same shiat, people. Atoms are atoms. It doesn't matter where they come from.

That actually looks kinda scary - I'm betting that O- is extremely reactive. What is it?

I'm not sure if you're serious, based on your other posts, but I'll answer anyways.  That's aspartame.  It's just two amino acids (aspartic acid and phenylalanine) put together with an extra methyl ester attached to one end.

The N-C-C=O group is the backbone of the amino acid.  Since there are two amino acids, you should see two N-C-C=O groups in it. Aspartic Acid is on the left hand side of that image, with the extra C-COOH, and phenylalanine is the other with the extra C-6 sided ring.

OK, I feel stupid for not recognizing that, so I have to write up a defense of myself. I think what threw me off is the proton transferred from the carboxyl group to the amine group. I assumed that a) carboxylic acid had a lower pH than it does, and b) your post was ironic and your point was going to be "things that look almost the same can sometimes act completely different" (kind of a counterpoint to people who expect similar-looking molecules to act the same, e.g. the person who assumed chlorine in sucralose would be dangerous because many chlorine-bearing molecules are).

Also, it's been a long time since I took organic chemistry, or any classes where the actual properties of functional groups were relevant beyond knowing they exist and being able to understand similar properties enumerated by others.

So in retrospect, I'm guessing that proton transfers pretty freely between the amine and carboxyl group?


Ha! No worries! I figured you were either just missing it or you were being sarcastic in some way.  Also, I figured others might be curious as well.

In regards to b), that's certainly true.  Small changes to a molecule can give huge changes to its effects.  One of the basics of detoxification (in your liver and guts) is to add an oxygen atom to the molecule (via the P450 enzymes) and then use that oxygen as a handle to attach a larger water soluble group. This makes the toxin more water soluble on the whole, which means it will more likely get excreted in the urine.  This is known as Phase 1 and Phase 2 detoxification.  Of course, since we're changing the molecule up a bit, this also changes the chemistry of the molecule (and in turn, the toxicity).  Usually, it makes it less toxic (hence: detoxification), but sometimes it makes it more toxic (which is known as "activation" in the toxicology field).  One example of this is with organophosphates (a type of pesticide).  The base pesticide is generally safe until it is consumed, which it is activated into the toxic form and kills the pest (or the human in cases of accidental ingestion by a person).

As for the charges on the OH and NH2 (or O- and NH3+), it doesn't really matter where the H comes from, or if it transfers between the two. Most likely, the H will transfer back and forth between OH and H2O, and a different H will transfer back and forth between the NH2 and H2O; but this doesn't really matter. What matters is the pH of the environment.  The OH on that molecule (the one labeled as O- in the image) has a pka around 2, which means that when the pH is under 2, it'll be more in the OH form.  The amine group (the NH3+) has a pka around 10, so it the pH is below 10, it'll more likely have the H on it, making it charged. It has to go above 10 in order for it to lose the H, making it the non-charged NH2.  With a pH of water (about 7), you should expect both to be charged (O- and NH3+).  Remember, the pka is the number that has 50/50 H/no H when the pH is at that number.
 
2013-08-26 02:28:14 AM

log_jammin: Amos Quito: Good point.

Thinking about it, of all the dead people I know, most of them likely ate microwaved popcorn at some time.


///What more proof do you want???
 my 
for more terrifying news, think of all the water drinkers you know...


My whole family bathed in that shiat for years...emphysema my ass!
 
2013-08-26 02:32:19 AM
It's why I buy Coke and Pepsi from a nearby Mexican-operated convenience store, because they sell glass-bottled drinks, made with real sugar, out of an ice-filled barrel. Yum.

(Truth be told, however, I've never been a frequent soda consumer, so the taste distinction is, for me, minimal.)
 
2013-08-26 02:34:48 AM

Amos Quito: scubamage: Alchohol is yeast poop, and the bubbles in your beer are their

burps FARTS piss suspended in liquid.

FTFY.


FTFY.

This article's author thinks he's smart enough to qualify for a job writing articles for a nutritional news site and, yet, he doesn't even know that unicellular organisms can't poop. Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from. Piss is the waste that came from metabolizing that nutrition inside individual cells which can only absorb already broken down molecules. It's the smoke from your body's fire. Poop is the stuff you couldn't use. Human urine also contains CO2. It's just gets knocked out the moment our piss hits the water -- or urinal wall or tree or pretty much any wall, especially right after the bar closes. Therefore, CO2 coming from the yeast's metabolism would be part of its piss.
 
2013-08-26 02:36:03 AM

mgshamster: Ha! No worries! I figured you were either just missing it or you were being sarcastic in some way. Also, I figured others might be curious as well....

...Remember, the pk

a is the number that has 50/50 H/no H when the pH is at that number.

Just wanted to say: thanks for taking the time to type this out.
Posts like this are the reason I love Fark.
 
2013-08-26 02:39:16 AM

multipaulinator: This article's author thinks he's smart enough to qualify for a job writing articles for a nutritional newsc

crackpot conspiracy site

FTFY
 
2013-08-26 02:51:02 AM

log_jammin: multipaulinator: This article's author thinks he's smart enough to qualify for a job writing articles for a nutritional newsccrackpot conspiracy site

FTFY


I stand corrected. I have a bad habit of being way too nice in giving people the benefits of my doubts.
 
2013-08-26 02:54:57 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.


Ethanol is zero atoms away from being antifreeze, like in your windshield washer fluid (although Methyl Alcohol is the commercial go-to).

Ethanol is also useful in treating ethylene glycol antifreeze poisoning.

Its also yeast poop.

My worry about sucralose is that it is a covalently bonded chlorinated hydrocarbon.   So many of those are toxic.  And since it doesn't have a laxative effect, like for instance some sugar alcohols, it is absorbed by the gut.  So where the heck does that covalent chlorine go?  Doesn't stop me from using a packet rarely at a restaurant to sweeten a coffee when I don't have any stevia with me, but I try to stick to the stevia

/then again, so is ethanol is toxic too
 
2013-08-26 02:57:55 AM

jshine: So is "human" insulin (the stuff diabetics inject) -- among many, many other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#Synthesis_2


Thank you for pointing that out.

/diabetic
 
2013-08-26 03:00:13 AM

Enigmamf: kind of a counterpoint to people who expect similar-looking molecules to act the same, e.g. the person who assumed chlorine in sucralose would be dangerous because many chlorine-bearing molecules are


I once took a freshmen level college nutrition class where the teacher claimed that exact thing: that sucralose was bad because of chlorine.  She showed the molecule, and pointed at the chlorine atom while making a scrunched up face and saying, "And you all know what chorline does, right?"  I wanted to ask her about table salt at that moment, (sodium chloride, NaCl), but I never did.

/This was at a community college
 
2013-08-26 03:01:41 AM

ScreamingHangover: mgshamster: Ha! No worries! I figured you were either just missing it or you were being sarcastic in some way. Also, I figured others might be curious as well....

...Remember, the pka is the number that has 50/50 H/no H when the pH is at that number.

Just wanted to say: thanks for taking the time to type this out.
Posts like this are the reason I love Fark.


You're Welcome. :)

Threads like these don't come around too often (and even then, I don't always catch them), but it's the one of the few topics that I can speak with expertise.
 
2013-08-26 03:04:28 AM

Harry_Seldon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?

I refuse to eat pigs and lamb.  I will eat some humanely raised chickens and grass fed beef that was humanely executed.


Lisa: Do we have any food that wasn't brutally slaughtered?Homer: Well I think the veal died of loneliness.
 
2013-08-26 03:06:06 AM

multipaulinator: multipaulinator: Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from.


Are you saying your oxygen based metabolism could not pull some energy out of a fermentation waste product?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-26 03:06:37 AM

mgshamster: What matters is the pH of the environment.  The OH on that molecule (the one labeled as O- in the image) has a pka around 2, which means that when the pH is under 2, it'll be more in the OH form.  The amine group (the NH3+) has a pka around 10, so it the pH is below 10, it'll more likely have the H on it, making it charged. It has to go above 10 in order for it to lose the H, making it the non-charged NH2.  With a pH of water (about 7), you should expect both to be charged (O- and NH3+).  Remember, the pka is the number that has 50/50 H/no H when the pH is at that number.


Gosh, I haven't thought through that in years. Thanks for the review!

One of these days I'm going to watch the podcast for the entry-level chem classes, see how much I can get from them.
 
2013-08-26 03:08:57 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: My worry about sucralose is that it is a covalently bonded chlorinated hydrocarbon. So many of those are toxic. And since it doesn't have a laxative effect, like for instance some sugar alcohols, it is absorbed by the gut. So where the heck does that covalent chlorine go? Doesn't stop me from using a packet rarely at a restaurant to sweeten a coffee when I don't have any stevia with me, but I try to stick to the stevia


It goes right out in your urine.  The majority of sucralose isn't digested; it just passes through.  It's irrelevant, anyways; the amount you consume is extremely small, well below the LOEL (lowest observable effect level) in a dose-response curve.  You have to consume more than 30 packets per day before you got close to the LOEL.
 
2013-08-26 03:14:09 AM

mgshamster: Enigmamf: kind of a counterpoint to people who expect similar-looking molecules to act the same, e.g. the person who assumed chlorine in sucralose would be dangerous because many chlorine-bearing molecules are

I once took a freshmen level college nutrition class where the teacher claimed that exact thing: that sucralose was bad because of chlorine.  She showed the molecule, and pointed at the chlorine atom while making a scrunched up face and saying, "And you all know what chorline does, right?"  I wanted to ask her about table salt at that moment, (sodium chloride, NaCl), but I never did.

/This was at a community college


Ionic compound.   You can piss it out.

/Can still be pretty nasty though.  Ask a slug.
 
2013-08-26 03:15:09 AM
Ok, everyone pretend to be chemists/biologists.
 
2013-08-26 03:21:18 AM

wallywam1: FrancoFile: So is insulin.

THIS TIMES ONE MILLION!

I've never seen such a fundamentally flawed piece of garbage. It's not feces. Inserts to bacterial plasmids are not considered GMO by anyone who understands the process. Whoever wrote this has maybe a fourth-grade understanding of biology.


It was a hatchet job. There is no way to tell whether the person knows better or not.

csb

I plugged genes into plasmids back in the day. I made a stable C6 cell line from a pIRES vector with my GOI in it. It was amplified in (read: shiat out of) DH5α.

/csb
 
2013-08-26 03:21:44 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: multipaulinator: Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from.

Are you saying your oxygen based metabolism could not pull some energy out of a fermentation waste product?

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No. I'm saying the yeast never digested the nutrients it used to produce those fermentation waste products; it absorbed them in the same way my cells absorb nutrients that have been digested, but not metabolized. On the other side of the metabolic pathway, my cells dump their waste products into my blood for my kidneys to filter out later in much the same way that yeast dumps its metabolic waste into its surrounding environment.
 
2013-08-26 03:27:11 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: mgshamster: Enigmamf: kind of a counterpoint to people who expect similar-looking molecules to act the same, e.g. the person who assumed chlorine in sucralose would be dangerous because many chlorine-bearing molecules are

I once took a freshmen level college nutrition class where the teacher claimed that exact thing: that sucralose was bad because of chlorine.  She showed the molecule, and pointed at the chlorine atom while making a scrunched up face and saying, "And you all know what chorline does, right?"  I wanted to ask her about table salt at that moment, (sodium chloride, NaCl), but I never did.

/This was at a community college

Ionic compound.   You can piss it out.

/Can still be pretty nasty though.  Ask a slug.


Well, yeah. :)

I was a freshman back then. I didn't have the knowledge to smack her down, but even then I realized it was hypocritical to state that chlorine is bad because it's *chlorine* while ignoring table salt.  When it comes to chloride, though, we are capable of handling more of that than we can sodium ions.  We actually use quite a bit of chloride in our systems (in fact, our nervous system is dependent on it, chloride helps regulate the charge for sending electrical signals down neurons, which is the basis for every muscle movement, every thought, and more).
 /I'm a toxicologist. :)
 
2013-08-26 03:33:10 AM
 

heavymetal: FTFA: So there we have it: An official document that not only reveals the shocking truth behind aspartame production, but also freely admits that it was intended for mass consumption as a sucrose substitute. Therefore, the next time someone claims that your reservations about this sweetener are unfounded, direct them to this patent - the truth behind aspartame is now in plain view.

So aspartame
1. Is made through bacteria cultures like cheese, yogurt, and other food products.
2. Was created to be a sugar substitute marketed to consumers.
3. Since it is a protein, the producer feels it might be more beneficial nutritionally than sugar.

As hard as I am trying, I am having a difficult time generating any outrage over this. Rather than feeling concerned; I am feeling more confused over what exactly is the conspiracy regarding aspartame, and what are the desired end results of the conspirators. The author has failed to explain those two important points.


That's what took from the article as well. I had thought the stuff was made in industrial furnaces that cooked up batches of a mixture bleach, mustard gas and cyanide until they were nice and sweetly toxic. But that article revealed that aspartame is made in a much more natural than I had thought, and even contains protein.

I think I'll have to start using it.
 
2013-08-26 03:34:13 AM

multipaulinator: Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: multipaulinator: Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from.

Are you saying your oxygen based metabolism could not pull some energy out of a fermentation waste product?

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No. I'm saying the yeast never digested the nutrients it used to produce those fermentation waste products; it absorbed them in the same way my cells absorb nutrients that have been digested, but not metabolized. On the other side of the metabolic pathway, my cells dump their waste products into my blood for my kidneys to filter out later in much the same way that yeast dumps its metabolic waste into its surrounding environment.


So, the yeast, took a carbohydrate, anaerobically digested some energy out of it, then excreted a waste product that you could digest?

So doesn't that fit your definition of poop?  "Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body [of the yeast] couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from[. but the waste is a foodstuff because aerobic metabolism can]. "
 
2013-08-26 03:39:30 AM

doglover: Lambics are fruit beers.


Not even close. A true lambic is fermented in a stone pit in a barn and fermented with wild yeast and bacteria strains that have lived and developed there for hundreds of years. If a batch of wort isn't fermenting fast enough the braumeisters will walk around the barn and bang on the rafters with poles to knock dirt and dust into the beer.

I'm not sure if you can get a real lambic in the US. There are a number of fakes that mimic the sour taste with different mixtures of acidic juices, which is probably why so many people think a lambic is a fruit-infused beer.

I asked the guy I buy beer supplies from once if it was possible to order a real lambic yeast. He said yes, although it had to be imported and he wouldn't dare touch the stuff. Apparently it's so virulent that will "infect" not only all your equipment, but also whatever building or house you brew in and short of napalming the place, you'll never ever brew another beer that's not a lambic.
 
2013-08-26 03:39:32 AM

GWSuperfan: jshine: So is "human" insulin (the stuff diabetics inject) -- among many, many other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#Synthesis_2

Thank you for pointing that out.

/diabetic


If you could just lay hands on those bacteria, you could grow your own insulin shots. Be the first hipsterbetic with your organic local foods, your fedora, and your own insulin set up.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-08-26 03:43:00 AM

log_jammin: Microwaving food will KILL YOU!!

stop and think back at all the people you know who, over the years, have died from microwave popcorn.


Actually, Popcorn Lung is apparently a real thing that can kill you.

...or score you $7.2 million if you know a good law-talking-guy.
 
2013-08-26 03:43:15 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: multipaulinator: Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from.

Are you saying your oxygen based metabolism could not pull some energy out of a fermentation waste product?

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It's a chart. Someone posted a CHART!

Thread's over. Go home everyone. Drive safely.
 
2013-08-26 03:45:20 AM

Sensei Can You See: A true lambic is fermented in a stone pit in a barn and fermented with wild yeast and bacteria strains that have lived and developed there for hundreds of years. If a batch of wort isn't fermenting fast enough the braumeisters will walk around the barn and bang on the rafters with poles to knock dirt and dust into the beer.


i25.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-26 03:46:28 AM

mgshamster: We actually use quite a bit of chloride in our systems (in fact, our nervous system is dependent on it, chloride helps regulate the charge for sending electrical signals down neurons, which is the basis for every muscle movement, every thought, and more).


Not to mention stomachs filled with HCL
 
2013-08-26 03:47:23 AM

SevenizGud: wallywam1: FrancoFile: So is insulin.

THIS TIMES ONE MILLION!

I've never seen such a fundamentally flawed piece of garbage. It's not feces. Inserts to bacterial plasmids are not considered GMO by anyone who understands the process. Whoever wrote this has maybe a fourth-grade understanding of biology.

It was a hatchet job. There is no way to tell whether the person knows better or not.

csb

I plugged genes into plasmids back in the day. I made a stable C6 cell line from a pIRES vector with my GOI in it. It was amplified in (read: shiat out of) DH5α.

/csb


Oligonucleotide synthesis, PCR, insertion, selective media (Ampicillin gradient plates), selective media 2 (yeast extract plus ampicillin), DNA prep and agarose gel electrophoresis to confirm. 100% feces free. For the win.

/Tip of the cap to you, sir.
 
2013-08-26 03:54:24 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: mgshamster: We actually use quite a bit of chloride in our systems (in fact, our nervous system is dependent on it, chloride helps regulate the charge for sending electrical signals down neurons, which is the basis for every muscle movement, every thought, and more).

Not to mention stomachs filled with HCL


I rattle of the relatively obscure while missing the blatantly obvious. Typical ivory tower scientist, eh? :)
 
2013-08-26 03:56:08 AM

wallywam1: SevenizGud: wallywam1: FrancoFile: So is insulin.

THIS TIMES ONE MILLION!

I've never seen such a fundamentally flawed piece of garbage. It's not feces. Inserts to bacterial plasmids are not considered GMO by anyone who understands the process. Whoever wrote this has maybe a fourth-grade understanding of biology.

It was a hatchet job. There is no way to tell whether the person knows better or not.

csb

I plugged genes into plasmids back in the day. I made a stable C6 cell line from a pIRES vector with my GOI in it. It was amplified in (read: shiat out of) DH5α.

/csb

Oligonucleotide synthesis, PCR, insertion, selective media (Ampicillin gradient plates), selective media 2 (yeast extract plus ampicillin), DNA prep and agarose gel electrophoresis to confirm. 100% feces free. For the win.

/Tip of the cap to you, sir.


But but... then it's a GMO and UNNATURAL!!1
 
2013-08-26 03:58:04 AM

EngineerBob: GM feces. I think I drove one of those in the 70's


I lol'ed.

Those were better cars then Pintos, because they didn't explode in flames. They just backfired.
 
2013-08-26 04:05:28 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: mgshamster: We actually use quite a bit of chloride in our systems (in fact, our nervous system is dependent on it, chloride helps regulate the charge for sending electrical signals down neurons, which is the basis for every muscle movement, every thought, and more).

Not to mention stomachs filled with HCL


I did an article for a physician's magazine a good 10 years ago; the gist being the frustration when a patient comes in with a few e-mails that got forwarded and they wanted ANSWERS. I talked with one such patient who was horrified to hear that aspartame creates formaldehyde and formalin in the digestive system.

I said yes, it's true: Aspartame creates formaldehyde and formalin in the digestive tract -- Because both compounds are naturally occuring by-products. If fact, if you eat a fresh banana you will produce far more formalin and formaldehyde than you will with a diet soda.
 
2013-08-26 04:15:21 AM

Canton: RexTalionis: [harryscheeseandcoldcuts.com image 720x480]
[www.randrlife.co.uk image 400x300]

Look at all those disgusting byproducts of bacteria.

Yum. So much this. Bacteria are our friends.

But I still pass on the aspartame.

/The aftertaste is just so wrong.


Tastes like crap.
 
2013-08-26 04:16:05 AM
I mentioned earlier that a small change can have a huge effect on the chemistry of a molecule. I should have also mentioned that a small change can have extremely little effect as well. It just depends on what the change is, where the change occurred, and what the situation is.

For example, if we take a molecule that must be metabolized by an enzyme, and we change the part that interacts with the enzyme, it can have a profound effect. Think of a lock and key; if you change up the part of the key that interacts with the lock, you can make it completely ineffective. Conversely, if you change part of the molecule that doesn't interact with the enzyme, you may have effectively done nothing at all (like changing the handle on the lock).
 
2013-08-26 04:16:58 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: multipaulinator: Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from.

Are you saying your oxygen based metabolism could not pull some energy out of a fermentation waste product?

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No. I'm saying the yeast never digested the nutrients it used to produce those fermentation waste products; it absorbed them in the same way my cells absorb nutrients that have been digested, but not metabolized. On the other side of the metabolic pathway, my cells dump their waste products into my blood for my kidneys to filter out later in much the same way that yeast dumps its metabolic waste into its surrounding environment.

So, the yeast, took a carbohydrate, anaerobically digested some energy out of it, then excreted a waste product that you could digest?

So doesn't that fit your definition of poop?  "Poop is undigested foodstuffs that the body [of the yeast] couldn't or didn't get the chance to harvest nutrients from[. but the waste is a foodstuff because aerobic metabolism can]. "


The yeast didn't anaerobically digest energy out of it. If you think that there's any possible way that the phrase "anaerobic digestion" could make any sense, then I suggest you brush up on your terminology. You've also demonstrated that you're unaware of the actual definitions of the terms  metabolismfoodstuffbody -- à la  body [of the yeast] --  nutrientaerobic or even  harvest. Seriously, Data misused physics jargon on the second-to-last segment of every Star Trek: The Next Generation episode less than you managed to misuse biological terminology in that reply.
 
2013-08-26 04:34:30 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?


Most people don't care, that is, until they get sick. Then they go to the doctor, and he tells them its genetics, and prescribes them medication, which is really just a band-aid for a poor diet.

BTW, The eggs most people eat are the menstrual period of Chicken, enjoy your breakfast.
 
2013-08-26 04:37:51 AM

Lusebagage: BTW, The eggs most people eat are the menstrual period of Chicken, enjoy your breakfast



Guy goes into a luncheon counter and asks "What's the special?" Waiter says "Beef tongue sandwich". Guy says "Eww, that's disgusting! I can't eat something that came out of a cow's mouth! Just give me an egg salad sandwich."
 
2013-08-26 04:42:37 AM
I drink diet drinks all the time.  I just don't put any lemons or limes in there because vitamin C reacts with the preservative benzoate to make a negligible amount of benzene.  Benzene is nasty stuff and causes cancer.

Strangely enough, most fruit juices have zero vitamin C.  Who knew?
 
2013-08-26 04:50:42 AM

gravespinner: I refuse to eat pigs and lamb. I will eat some humanely raised chickens and grass fed beef that was humanely executed.


There is nothing "humane" about stealing another creatures purpose, it is simply a form of violence.  Even in so called "humane" operations, they must artificially inseminate the animals against their will, (otherwise known as rape).  How do you humanely control the reproductive cycle of another being, and force impregnation upon them?  You cant.  The term "Humane" is simply a band-aid for a bleeding conscience.  Have you ever heard of a "humane" slave, because that's what any animal is that is brought into the world for the sole purpose of becoming a marketable item.  Think about it
 
2013-08-26 04:53:22 AM

Lusebagage: and he tells them its genetics, and prescribes them medication, which is really just a band-aid for a poor diet


lol wut?
 
2013-08-26 04:56:49 AM

Lusebagage: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?

Most people don't care, that is, until they get sick. Then they go to the doctor, and he tells them its genetics, and prescribes them medication, which is really just a band-aid for a poor diet.

BTW, The eggs most people eat are the menstrual period of Chicken, enjoy your breakfast.


*facepalm* Let's see. Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized. Menstruation only occurs at the end of a menstrual period where the egg didn't get fertilized. So....... try again......??
 
2013-08-26 04:58:51 AM

HotWingAgenda: There are people that didn't know this? Sucralose is also like one hydrogen atom away from being antifreeze. If you really want to give a chemist an aneurism, go around claiming sucralose is harmful because its compound is similar to poison.


Did you know that propylene glycol, which is used as an antifreeze, is deliberately placed in many foods and medicines?  I mean, it's similar to Ethylene glycol, and that shiat will make you blind!
 
2013-08-26 04:59:28 AM
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2013-08-26 05:00:04 AM

multipaulinator: You've also demonstrated that you're unaware of the actual definitions of the terms metabolism, foodstuff, body -- à la body [of the yeast] -- nutrient, aerobic or even harvest.


Right.

A chemical in itself, for instance a sugar, can't be a foodstuff.
Metabolism doesn't include catabolism
A yeast can't be an individual organism, so it can't have a body.
food calories aren't part of nutrition
Generating ATP via respiration can't be called harvesting energy
Aerobic (w/ oxygen) respiration can't proceed from the results of anaerobic respiration (fermentation).

Got it, swifty.
 
2013-08-26 05:02:03 AM

WeenerGord: Guy goes into a luncheon counter and asks "What's the special?" Waiter says "Beef tongue sandwich". Guy says "Eww, that's disgusting! I can't eat something that came out of a cow's mouth! Just give me an egg salad sandwich."


What a great joke, perfect metaphor for the rational disconnect experienced by those that consume animal products.
 
2013-08-26 05:10:46 AM

Lusebagage: What a great joke, perfect metaphor for the rational disconnect experienced by those that consume animal products.


Uh, given that I chuckled at it as well I think it's more for disconnect for the insulated city types that haven't ever considered where their food comes from.

Me, I know where my food comes from and I'm fine with it.  I mean, I've had vegans tell me before that I wouldn't eat meat if I had to slaughter it myself.  I certainly have no problems eating cow tongue or chicken menses.
 
2013-08-26 05:12:14 AM

Lusebagage: WeenerGord: Guy goes into a luncheon counter and asks "What's the special?" Waiter says "Beef tongue sandwich". Guy says "Eww, that's disgusting! I can't eat something that came out of a cow's mouth! Just give me an egg salad sandwich."

What a great joke, perfect metaphor for the rational disconnect experienced by those that consume animal products.


How can you rationalize eating plants?  They never did anything to you.
 
2013-08-26 05:13:29 AM

multipaulinator: Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized.


This is the guy who criticizes my knowledge of biology.

You think chickens stop laying when there are no roosters about?

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?
 
2013-08-26 05:15:50 AM

multipaulinator: Let's see. Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized. Menstruation only occurs at the end of a menstrual period where the egg didn't get fertilized. So....... try again......??


Okay, I'll try again!  first off, you're wrong right out the gate, unlike humans, chickens don't have a uterus, and expel both fertilized AND unfertilized eggs, they do however only incubate the fertilized eggs., so I guess your partially right. however, Its still the Menstruation cycle, or "period" by definition, look it up, I'm just the messenger.
 
2013-08-26 05:18:24 AM

multipaulinator: *facepalm* Let's see. Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized. Menstruation only occurs at the end of a menstrual period where the egg didn't get fertilized. So....... try again......??


Nope, chickens lay eggs whether they've been fertilized or not.  99.999% of the eggs you see in the store are unfertilized.  Well, there should probably be a few more 9's in there, even with the organic free-range chickens.

We know the term isn't all that accurate, but we like trying to gross people out, so we make it fit.
 
2013-08-26 05:19:26 AM
I prefer to think of them as chicken abortions.

tasty ones.
 
2013-08-26 05:20:39 AM

Lusebagage: they do however only incubate the fertilized eggs.,


The chickens or the farmers?  It's my understanding that the chickens will attempt to incubate all their eggs, it's the farmers who don't bother with unfertilized, and they'll 'candle' eggs to attempt to see fetal development in order to weed out unfertilized/non-growing eggs as soon as possible.
 
2013-08-26 05:21:38 AM

miscreant: picturescrazy: Anyway I don't care what it's made from. Aspartame makes me feel hungover and taste like ass. That's why I avoid it.

Which, along with the headaches mentioned previously, is a valid reason to avoid it. Just like people who have an intolerance to gluten or lactose have valid reasons to avoid those products... they usually don't try and get the rest of society to do so as well because of their issues with it like these nutters.


Yep. I can't eat aspartame (closes my throat up, some kind of allergic reaction), but I don't care if other people do. The screaming fit about how it's produced and what it's made from is just more idiocy from the anti-GMO crowd. The only problem I really have is that they've started adding it to so many things, even stuff that's not labeled "diet". I can't find a usable chewing gum anymore.
 
2013-08-26 05:27:24 AM

lewismarktwo: How can you rationalize eating plants? They never did anything to you.


Great question.  Unlike ALL sentient beings, plants do not have a brain, spinal cord, nerves, organs, eyes, ears, nose, and so on.   Therefore they cannot feel pain in any way, that is a scientific fact.  Also, they cant run from danger.  The apple tree is designed by nature to have animals eat its apples, therefore propagating apple trees far and wide across the countryside, amazing how nature works huh?    Also, just so you know, if you really are concerned about the plants,  It takes roughly 13 lbs of grain to produce one pound of beef, so by consuming meat you are causing far more destruction to the poor wittle pwants!
 
2013-08-26 05:30:38 AM

Lusebagage: Also, they cant run from danger.


and we all know that helpless things taste the best.
 
2013-08-26 05:33:46 AM

Lusebagage: lewismarktwo: How can you rationalize eating plants? They never did anything to you.

Great question.  Unlike ALL sentient beings, plants do not have a brain, spinal cord, nerves, organs, eyes, ears, nose, and so on.   Therefore they cannot feel pain in any way, that is a scientific fact.  Also, they cant run from danger.  The apple tree is designed by nature to have animals eat its apples, therefore propagating apple trees far and wide across the countryside, amazing how nature works huh?    Also, just so you know, if you really are concerned about the plants,  It takes roughly 13 lbs of grain to produce one pound of beef, so by consuming meat you are causing far more destruction to the poor wittle pwants!


Do you have any idea how many field mice and rabbits are killed harvesting grain?
 
2013-08-26 05:51:03 AM

lewismarktwo: Do you have any idea how many field mice and rabbits are killed harvesting grain?


I'm glad you asked, I personally don't know, but I'm sure that thousands are probably killed everyday.  Being aware of that, I'm a member of a local, all organic, pesticide free CSA (community supported agriculture), so, there is something you can do if you are concerned about the suffering field mice!  however, thats not your point. Your argument is that because a rabbit is killed, I'm not perfect, and therefore, you can do whatever you want!  its whats commonly known as "Tu quoqu debate fallacy" or the "look who's talking" argument.  I'm not perfect, I admit, I've stepped on bugs, I have to drive a car sometimes.  The difference is, I've dedicated my life to non-violence despite what you or anyone else does, and don't look towards other peoples behavior to justify my own actions.  Here is a fun little video that will explain it for you, Please click me!
 
2013-08-26 05:52:57 AM

Lusebagage: its whats commonly known as "Tu quoqu debate fallacy" or the "look who's talking" argument.


AKA: Pointing out hypocrisy.
 
2013-08-26 06:06:32 AM

log_jammin: AKA: Pointing out hypocrisy.


Well, since we are pointing out hypocrisy, farm animals consume far more plants than humans do (70% of the produce yield in America goes to factory farmed animals), so if you consume meat, dairy, or eggs, you are much more responsible for the death of field mice and rabbits than and vegan, especially if that vegan buys only local grown produce, like myself. If pointing out my hypocrisy makes you feel better about not caring at all, doesn't that just make you a turd on the tide, a shallow status quo robot programmed in following the patterns of society in an attempt to shelter the fragile ego.
 
2013-08-26 06:11:20 AM

lewismarktwo: Strangely enough, most fruit juices have zero vitamin C.  Who knew?


LOLWUT?
 
2013-08-26 06:11:38 AM

Lusebagage: lewismarktwo: Do you have any idea how many field mice and rabbits are killed harvesting grain?

I'm glad you asked, I personally don't know, but I'm sure that thousands are probably killed everyday.  Being aware of that, I'm a member of a local, all organic, pesticide free CSA (community supported agriculture), so, there is something you can do if you are concerned about the suffering field mice!  however, thats not your point. Your argument is that because a rabbit is killed, I'm not perfect, and therefore, you can do whatever you want!  its whats commonly known as "Tu quoqu debate fallacy" or the "look who's talking" argument.  I'm not perfect, I admit, I've stepped on bugs, I have to drive a car sometimes.  The difference is, I've dedicated my life to non-violence despite what you or anyone else does, and don't look towards other peoples behavior to justify my own actions.  Here is a fun little video that will explain it for you, Please click me!


Doesn't matter, by being part of society at large in anyway you benefit directly from the suffering of not only animals but also less advantageous humans.  Using the internet for example:  you're killing the earth by using electricity.  I'm sure you'll claim to run off of solar energy and rainbow farts but even then you must be connected to the internet to communicate with me and are therefore contributing to pain of millions.

Your only option is to buy land in the middle of nowhere and start subsistence living.  That or kill yourself.

As for your fancy Latin fallacy, it doesn't quite fit.  I'm not pointing out that you aren't perfect (no one is perfect, pointing that out is futile), I'm pointing out that the game is rigged.  You can't not benefit from the pain of living beings.  It is not possible.  So you might as well enjoy a steak.
 
2013-08-26 06:12:52 AM

Lusebagage:  especially if that vegan buys only local grown produce, like myself.


less mice are killed if you buy local? lol!

Lusebagage: If pointing out my hypocrisy makes you feel better about not caring at all


I feel the same way whether I'm pointing out hypocrisy or not.

Lusebagage: doesn't that just make you a turd on the tide, a shallow status quo robot programmed in following the patterns of society in an attempt to shelter the fragile ego.


ad hominem
 
2013-08-26 06:13:16 AM

MBP2112: lewismarktwo: Strangely enough, most fruit juices have zero vitamin C.  Who knew?

LOLWUT?


Check the label.  Unless you are fresh squeezing it moments before ingesting or it is artificially added it won't have any vitamin C.
 
2013-08-26 06:13:27 AM

Firethorn: It's my understanding that the chickens will attempt to incubate all their eggs


Great point Fire, some chickens will certinly incubate all their eggs, especially when they become broody, I was using a generalization, there are exceptions to the rule, thanks for pointing that out.
 
2013-08-26 06:23:05 AM
I always put 100% faith in any website that is advertising colloidal silver as that stuff is near-magical. It's at least a thousand times more effective than floor humping guy at keeping away the bad things.
 
2013-08-26 06:24:36 AM

Befuddled: I always put 100% faith in any website that is advertising colloidal silver as that stuff is near-magical. It's at least a thousand times more effective than floor humping guy at keeping away the bad things.


isn't that the stuff that makes your skin turn blue?
 
2013-08-26 06:25:32 AM

log_jammin: ad hominem


No, actually, an example of an ad hominem would be what you did to me, attempting to attack my character, read what I said again, I apologize for the typo's, try reading it again.

"Doesn't that just make you a turd on the tide, a shallow status quo robot programmed in following the patterns of society in an attempt to shelter your fragile ego?"

That's a question, you can answer that question with yes or no if you'd like, I just ask that you be honest with yourself.
 
2013-08-26 06:30:42 AM

Lusebagage: attempting to attack my character,


I did no such thing.

Lusebagage: That's a question, you can answer that question with yes or no if you'd like, I just ask that you be honest with yourself.


You're right. It wasn't an  ad hominem. It was begging the question.
 
2013-08-26 06:48:26 AM

lewismarktwo: You can't not benefit from the pain of living beings. It is not possible. So you might as well enjoy a steak


Isn't that similar to saying, "I couldn't help but rape that girl, she was dressed like a slut"? The game is only rigged in your mind, because your self-identity is partially built around the idea that eating meat is necessary for your survival, when in reality, its not. People only do so because society makes it easy and comfortable for them, and it tastes good!  This sort of reasoning is why heart disease is the #1 killer in America.  Its called cognitive dissidence.  I cant "enjoy a steak" because I'm aware of the suffering that animal had to endure.  Watch this video, and tell me you still want a steak:  Beware!
 
2013-08-26 06:53:28 AM

log_jammin: You're right. It wasn't an ad hominem. It was begging the question.


No, it was not petitio principii, here would be an example of that:

Its apparent you've never taken a debate class, and since you are not very skilled in debating, this conversation is over, you lose.

See the difference?
 
2013-08-26 06:54:53 AM
So are Buttermilk, cheese, EU natural vanillin, and loads of other foods. Not to mention the fact that there are millions of bacteria shiatting inside your body right now.
 
2013-08-26 06:55:52 AM

heavymetal: FTFA: So there we have it: An official document that not only reveals the shocking truth behind aspartame production, but also freely admits that it was intended for mass consumption as a sucrose substitute. Therefore, the next time someone claims that your reservations about this sweetener are unfounded, direct them to this patent - the truth behind aspartame is now in plain view.

So aspartame
1. Is made through bacteria cultures like cheese, yogurt, and other food products.
2. Was created to be a sugar substitute marketed to consumers.
3. Since it is a protein, the producer feels it might be more beneficial nutritionally than sugar.

As hard as I am trying, I am having a difficult time generating any outrage over this. Rather than feeling concerned; I am feeling more confused over what exactly is the conspiracy regarding aspartame, and what are the desired end results of the conspirators. The author has failed to explain those two important points.


Using political influence to get regulatory approval, and money.  There...not so hard, was it?

/had this lecture about the FDA's political...flexibility, shall we say?...back in law school.
//To paraphrase P.J. O'Rourke, when regulators determine what can be bought and sold, regulators will be the first things bought and sold.
///If FDA approval really meant something was safe to eat...it would provide a legal defense.  It doesn't.  That should tell you something right there.
 
2013-08-26 06:57:06 AM

Lusebagage: lewismarktwo: You can't not benefit from the pain of living beings. It is not possible. So you might as well enjoy a steak

Isn't that similar to saying, "I couldn't help but rape that girl, she was dressed like a slut"?


OK, you are obviously a troll/crazy. Good day.
 
2013-08-26 06:58:58 AM

Lusebagage: log_jammin: You're right. It wasn't an ad hominem. It was begging the question.

No, it was not petitio principii, here would be an example of that:

Its apparent you've never taken a debate class, and since you are not very skilled in debating, this conversation is over, you lose.

See the difference?


*yawn*

anything else?
 
2013-08-26 07:00:02 AM

multipaulinator: Lusebagage: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?

Most people don't care, that is, until they get sick. Then they go to the doctor, and he tells them its genetics, and prescribes them medication, which is really just a band-aid for a poor diet.

BTW, The eggs most people eat are the menstrual period of Chicken, enjoy your breakfast.

*facepalm* Let's see. Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized. Menstruation only occurs at the end of a menstrual period where the egg didn't get fertilized. So....... try again......??


Umm...my sister's chickens give her plenty of eggs, and they don't have a rooster...not sure you're correct about that one.
 
2013-08-26 07:20:35 AM
3.) The proteins containing the Asp-Phe segments are 'harvested' (i.e. lab assistants collect the bacteria's feces).

I would care a hell of a lot more if I didn't regularly drink bacteria shiat recreationaly (beer)...   Although the fact that its genetically modified E coli does raise my eyebrows, and I try to avoid diet sodas like the plague anyways along with most artificial sweeteners....
 
2013-08-26 07:22:02 AM
And let us also not forget the miracles that are Yogurt and Cheese!...
 
2013-08-26 07:23:17 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: ArcadianRefugee: common table contains both a poisonous gas and a substance that explodes when it mixes with water?

That's not a very common table. Check the settings on your 3D printer.


I have high blood pressure; my doctor made me cut out salt.
 
2013-08-26 07:25:38 AM
So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?
 
2013-08-26 07:27:40 AM
IIRC, most insulin on the market today is technically "genetically modified bacteria excrement". And insulin is not unique in that regard.
 
2013-08-26 07:28:40 AM
ok... fungi shiat... whatever.... I DRINK THE EXCREMENT OF TINY LITTLE ALIVE THINGS either way...
 
2013-08-26 07:38:50 AM

ReapTheChaos: King Something: Is there any food that does NOT have an aesthetically displeasing manufacture process? As has already been pointed out in this thread, water has fish poop and dolphin cum in it, cheese and yogurt are made with bacteria, booze is made from the by-product of fungus eating sugar, and meat is dead animals.

It also has human shiat, puke, piss and whatever else gets flushed down the toilet/sink in it. Or do you think your household waste water goes to some magical holding tank, never to be seen again?


I for one believe, and will continue to believe untill the day that I die, that the sewer system runs on purell and magic.
 
2013-08-26 07:43:47 AM
Whoever greenlit this 'article' deserves a paddling. I never thought I'd say this: Worst.Greenlight.Ever.
 
2013-08-26 07:46:09 AM

Harry_Seldon: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Honey is bee vomit. Worse yet, meat is dead animals. Who cares?

I refuse to eat pigs and lamb.  I will eat some humanely raised chickens and grass fed beef that was humanely executed.


WEre they animals? Are they dead? Your feel-good caveats don't change that.
 
2013-08-26 07:47:16 AM
So who is crazier, anti-GMO people, or Christian Scientists?
 
2013-08-26 08:12:18 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Surely there exists a magical device capable of replicating anything at all? Why do we still use medieval Luddite technologies like how they made cheese 600 years ago????


Really?  REALLY?  you're bringing a 3D printer complaint into an aspartame thread?

Actually...I'm kind of impressed at your dedication.  Well played, sir.
 
2013-08-26 08:13:20 AM

browser_snake: So who is crazier, anti-GMO people, or Christian Scientists?


Since GMO crops have already had unforeseen negative side effects, the Christian Scientists.
 
2013-08-26 08:14:13 AM
Natural News?  Seriously?  NOTHING on that site should ever be taken seriously.  Its like the Onion, only they don't do the comedy on purpose.

If they came up with a vaccine against aging, Natural News would figure out how it retroactively causes Autism.
 
2013-08-26 08:37:25 AM
Came here to point out insulin is made by bacteria. Is satisfied.
 
2013-08-26 08:56:26 AM
I have issues with artificial sweeteners...there are irrefutable links between them and obesity from multiple research university studies.

BUT...this article is f#cking stupid. Repeatedly referring to bacterial discharge as "feces" comes off as desperate and implies an inability to make a stronger case (e.g., see aforementioned weight gain links).
 
2013-08-26 09:00:28 AM

Lusebagage: lewismarktwo: Do you have any idea how many field mice and rabbits are killed harvesting grain?

I'm glad you asked, I personally don't know, but I'm sure that thousands are probably killed everyday.  Being aware of that, I'm a member of a local, all organic, pesticide free CSA (community supported agriculture), so, there is something you can do if you are concerned about the suffering field mice!  however, thats not your point. Your argument is that because a rabbit is killed, I'm not perfect, and therefore, you can do whatever you want!  its whats commonly known as "Tu quoqu debate fallacy" or the "look who's talking" argument.  I'm not perfect, I admit, I've stepped on bugs, I have to drive a car sometimes.  The difference is, I've dedicated my life to non-violence despite what you or anyone else does, and don't look towards other peoples behavior to justify my own actions.  Here is a fun little video that will explain it for you, Please click me!


I'm going to order extra meat on my sandwich today in your name.
 
2013-08-26 09:01:29 AM
www.overthinkingit.com
It's made of poopies!
 
2013-08-26 09:01:46 AM
For your auditory amusement.  WEIRD AL!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GSgc2yD_jU

BB
 
2013-08-26 09:03:55 AM

doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.


Half right.  It's yeast, but certain bacteria are desirable depending on the style.  Most commonly, Lacto strains for sours, I believe.
 
2013-08-26 09:11:57 AM
Also in at least one of the artificial sweeteners people put in coffee and need I remind any of you how many people pee in those pools you swim in. Disgusting things everywhere.
 
2013-08-26 09:25:20 AM
so is insulin....
 
2013-08-26 09:28:14 AM
As you read this millions of bacteria are shiatting in your mouth.
 
2013-08-26 09:33:46 AM

ZeroCorpse: I would LOVE it if someone made a cola sweetened with Stevia. It's a hell of a lot better tasting than Aspartame or Sucralose (or Saccharine, which I hated). What TRULY sucks is that Coca-Cola actually markets a Stevia product (Truvia), which is a sweetener. They said they'd market beverages sweetened with their Truvia, but I have yet to see Coca-Cola sweetened with it.


 www.zevia.com
 
2013-08-26 09:52:12 AM

Epicanis: doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.

You've never had a good Lambic, then?


Nope. And I've never seen bigfoot either.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:22 AM

doglover: Katolu: Hopefuly the current trend of "How farking hoppy can we make this?" will end soon.

Then it will be replaced with something else, like pig dick jerky straws or Bulgarian peasant colon flora extract.


I'm fairly sure the over-hoppy bullshiat microbrewers like to pull won't ever go away completely. Hops cover a multitude of sins. If you can't make good beer, just throw more hops in until nothing else can be tasted. That, in addition to the amount of time stuff ahs to sit, is why there are so many IPAs and so few actual good microbrews.

Yes, if all you make is IPAs, especially "double IPAs", you are doing the beer equivalent of drowning your food in ketchup to hide the shiatty flavor.
 
2013-08-26 10:00:42 AM

red5ish: [501x402 from http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6109/pc5l.jpg image 501x402]


Whoever that woman is, she is the most breathlessly fear mongering lying ratings-whore on TV. Someone always has Faux on the TV in the break room at work. Just listening to her is worse for your health than aspartame is.
 
2013-08-26 10:02:33 AM
No.  I'm good, thanks.
 
2013-08-26 10:06:54 AM
Yeah, and bread rises because of yeast farts. So????
 
2013-08-26 10:16:04 AM

andynz81: I wouldn't worry about this, but as for the more well known allegations about aspartame...

When my sister got a brain tumour, her oncologists went over diet, lifestyle etc, and had little to say as she was by and large living a perfectly healthy life. They did tell her to avoid aspartame though.

Must be pretty good fearmongering if it has also sucked in oncologists.

/more inclined to side with the oncologists, strangely enough


And lord knows doctors are never wrong or fall victim to the fear mongering from such reputable sites as this one.  I'm a year away from my MD so have worked with a good deal of doctors in the clinical setting.  The shiat I hear some (a minority, thank god) of these idiots say is either 1) completely congruent with what's taught in medical school today or 2) something that was thought to be true and has since been shown to be unsubstantiated - your example happens to fall into both.  I'd be more concerned with having an oncologist whose information comes from 1980's anecdotes.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/as pa rtame - American Cancer Society's article on aspartame
 
2013-08-26 10:17:02 AM
*not congruent
 
2013-08-26 10:28:04 AM
So's alcohol and everything else except for Penicillin and Neomycin.  Hell, even Kanamycin (used in aquariums, kidney toxic to all mammals) is from a bacteria that was forced to mutate from the one that makes neomycin.

Did you know there is no "whole food" bread available in north america?    The wheat used was genetically modified in 1956.  IT WAS SPLICED and now 94% of the world grows it and further developments from it.
 
2013-08-26 10:30:25 AM

doglover: Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic

Lambics are fruit beers.


You are mistaken.
It IS true that they OFTEN are, but not always. "Lambic" is the style of fermentation. Those that undergo secondary fermentation with fruit have their own names (Kriek, Framboise, etc.).

As for IPA:

Good
Hoppy

pick one.


You'll get no argument from me on that one, however.

/It's like people who act as though the only goal of making chili is to make it as spicy as possible.
//"Who cares if I made it out of McDonald's meat-like-burger-product and Taco Bell refried beans? It's got like 20 habaneros in it!"
 
2013-08-26 10:45:19 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized.

This is the guy who criticizes my knowledge of biology.

You think chickens stop laying when there are no roosters about?

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?


Facepalm.  I collected eggs every single day for something like 2 months for a research project.  Unless the roosters in the next room let themselves out, fertilized 90 chickens, and then let themselves back into their cages, closing the door behind them, this fertilized egg thing is bullshiat.  Christ this is high school biology here.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:04 AM
That's why I only use sugar. You guys are suckers.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:36 AM

ZeroCorpse: What it really comes down to is that Aspartame and Sucralose  taste nastyto me. They have a weird undertaste, and the "sweet" isn't the same  kind  of sweet as sugar.

I would LOVE it if someone made a cola sweetened with Stevia. It's a hell of a lot better tasting than Aspartame or Sucralose (or Saccharine, which I hated). What TRULY sucks is that Coca-Cola actually markets a Stevia product (Truvia), which is a sweetener. They said they'd market beverages sweetened with their Truvia, but I have yet to see Coca-Cola sweetened with it.

Pepsi followed with their own announcement of intention to use Stevia to sweeten beverages, but never made good on it from what I've seen... Unless it's only in their tea or other products.

Dammit, give me a COLA that uses Stevia and doesn't taste like nasty Diet Coke, Coke Zero, or Tab.


Stevia is in Vitamin Water Zero and Sobe "zero" calorie and even reduced calorie drinks. Stevia is also, apparently, a diuretic...
 
2013-08-26 11:11:34 AM
I accidentally ate a teaspoonful of aspartame once. I felt dizzy after 10 minutes. Therefore I'll stick to my natural sugar.
 
2013-08-26 11:42:48 AM
Sorry guys, looks like you'll have to switch back to genetically modified yeast excrement.
farm5.staticflickr.com
Don't let me ruin it for you though.
 
2013-08-26 11:54:49 AM

USP .45: So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?


They probably are.  I'm more curious whether any of the "bacteria feces" nutjobs are also concerned with their gut flora. If they're so concerned with bacteria feces, they should stop eating altogether!
 
2013-08-26 12:28:54 PM
Haters gonna hate.  Stay the hell away from my aspartame!
 
2013-08-26 12:44:08 PM
stop using  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin#Discovery  Penicillin, subby.  please.
 
2013-08-26 01:34:15 PM

TomD9938: doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.

That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

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Oh man did I piss my friend off once. He made me a cheese sandwich and it taste awful. I told I thought that it was bad, because it was not Velveeta on Wonder Bread fried up in a pan with a half a stick of butter used for each slice of bread. Apparently he had used real expensive cheese, and bread, lightly toasted in an oven and served it with some kind of fancy tomato soup, a recipe he got out of a gourmet cookbook.

It propably tasted great to people who have taste, but I grew up on Wonder Bread, Velveeta deep fried in butter and by god that is what a cheese sandwich should taste like.
 
2013-08-26 01:44:52 PM

Slaves2Darkness: TomD9938: doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.

That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

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Oh man did I piss my friend off once. He made me a cheese sandwich and it taste awful. I told I thought that it was bad, because it was not Velveeta on Wonder Bread fried up in a pan with a half a stick of butter used for each slice of bread. Apparently he had used real expensive cheese, and bread, lightly toasted in an oven and served it with some kind of fancy tomato soup, a recipe he got out of a gourmet cookbook.

It propably tasted great to people who have taste, but I grew up on Wonder Bread, Velveeta deep fried in butter and by god that is what a cheese sandwich should taste like.


"People with taste" probably think that expansive fancy organic pile of crap they call a gourmet cheese sandwich is good because they've never had a real Velveeta cheese sandwich fried in butter on white bread.
 
2013-08-26 01:53:21 PM

mgshamster: Andrew Weil, MD (Self described as the "guru of alternative medicine," this guy uses his credentials to spread misinformation and lies about science and medicine).


Anyone who thinks Weil is a quack is unable to form an opinion without being spoonfed the ingredients for that opinion.  Like the moron who calls his blog quackwatch.

Hey, as long as you trust Donald Rumsfeld to make the right decision, you don't need to worry about aspartame.
 
2013-08-26 02:24:28 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: You've also demonstrated that you're unaware of the actual definitions of the terms metabolism, foodstuff, body -- à la body [of the yeast] -- nutrient, aerobic or even harvest.

Right.

A chemical in itself, for instance a sugar, can't be a foodstuff.

Correct. It's a nutrient.

Metabolism doesn't include catabolism
Actually, for the third farking time,I said that digestion doesn't include catabolism.

A yeast can't be an individual organism, so it can't have a body.
Right.

food calories aren't part of nutrition
??? Were you having a seizure? Seriously, where and when did I ever imply anything like that?

Generating ATP via respiration can't be called harvesting energy
[see previous response]

Aerobic (w/ oxygen) respiration can't proceed from the results of anaerobic respiration (fermentation).
Okay, you don't think that we actually metabolize ethanol, do you? And, besides we probably could, but it depends on each specific waste product.

Got it, swifty.
No. You don't. You've misrepresented 85% of what I've said.

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?
Oops! One mistake compared to, well, the vast majority of everything you've been saying so far. I'm not really feeling all that guilty. Your representation of egg-laying is still just as ridiculous and fear-mongering.
 
2013-08-26 02:26:46 PM
All I know is fire can't melt steel.
 
2013-08-26 02:31:12 PM

CWeinerWV: Vlad_the_Inaner: multipaulinator: Chickens only lay eggs that have been fertilized.

This is the guy who criticizes my knowledge of biology.

You think chickens stop laying when there are no roosters about?

You don't know why farmers 'candle' their eggs?

Facepalm.  I collected eggs every single day for something like 2 months for a research project.  Unless the roosters in the next room let themselves out, fertilized 90 chickens, and then let themselves back into their cages, closing the door behind them, this fertilized egg thing is bullshiat.  Christ this is high school biology here.


That was my mistake. Though, considering the conversation I'm in the middle of, I don't feel very guilty about it. I must take responsibility, however. I apologize. I posted that without double-checking.
 
2013-08-26 02:40:23 PM
Finally figured out that aspartame was the cause of some of the worst foot pain in my life.
Was drinking gallons of those zero calorie waters sweetened with the stuff but never made the connection between them and pain so bad I could barely walk on my right foot.
/Doctors said was gout, bastards
 
2013-08-26 02:41:37 PM

knobmaker: mgshamster: Andrew Weil, MD (Self described as the "guru of alternative medicine," this guy uses his credentials to spread misinformation and lies about science and medicine).

Anyone who thinks Weil is a quack is unable to form an opinion without being spoonfed the ingredients for that opinion.  Like the moron who calls his blog quackwatch.

Hey, as long as you trust Donald Rumsfeld to make the right decision, you don't need to worry about aspartame.


Love it! Instead of using facts and evidence, morons (or potential trolls) go straight to the ad hominems. Ha! Never fails, does it?

For our other readers, let me respond:

If Weil was legitimate and honestly cared about finding the truth rather than peddling lies, he would espouse the scientific method and research in order to show what was safe and effective (rather than criticising it). He would not espouse the philosophy of "I know it works because I believe it, and research will later prove that it is safe and effective, like we already believe now" BS that he peddles.

Anyways, I can be as trolley as knobmaker, here: anyone who thinks weil (or any of the alt med stuff) is legitimate is a moron who cannot evaluate evidence, or even think for themselves; they must be spoon fed information because they cannot determine reality from fantasy.

Look people, here's how it works in reality:

We have only a few options for any sort of treatment (preventative or otherwise).

1) Safe and effective
2) Unsafe and effective
3) Safe and ineffective
4) Unsafe and ineffective
5) Undetermined

Traditional medicine (aka "Western Medicine) uses 1 and 2 only. #2 is used only when the benefits outweigh the risks, such as surgery (deliberately cutting and harming someone in order to cure them) or chemotherapy.

Alternative medicine folk usually espouse that because #2 exists, all of "western" medicine is bad, and therefore we must only use 3-5 (or in the case of Dr. Weil - "integrate" 1 and 2 with 3-5). #5 is a particular favorite for alt med folk, because they can make up whatever they want and use anecdotes as evidence, and then claim that science will eventually catch up (while at the same time they bash science for #1 and #2).

Can anecdotes be used as evidence? Yes, but barely. It's one of the worst forms of evidence out there, and should only be used as a jumping point for real research. But alt med folk typically don't want to do research (or the research they do perform is typically poor in quality and analysis), because if they do it might contradict their pet theory.

That's the issue I have with Dr. Weil: He wants to "integrate" legitimate research and scientific evidence (#1 and #2) with poor research, anecdotes as "proof," and flat out made up BS like homeopathy. That's not what a legitimate scientist (or anyone who wants to discover fact from fiction) does. He's a con man and a liar, but he performs his cons subtlety by claiming that he just wants to "integrate" the bad with the good. Weasel words from a weasley man.
 
2013-08-26 02:47:39 PM

prjindigo: Did you know there is no "whole food" bread available in north america?    The wheat used was genetically modified in 1956.  IT WAS SPLICED and now 94% of the world grows it and further developments from it.



And look what THAT caused!

neatnik2009.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-26 02:52:54 PM
As always, the derp is strong with anything posted on Mike Adams' site.  The most obvious howler is that what bacteria do to get rid of waste products cannot reasonably be described as "defecation", nor is the excreted material "feces".  In fact the patent doesn't appear to contemplate specifically recovering waste product, just going after it wherever it shows up:

"The desired protein is then harvested from the culture of cloned microorganism. If the desired protein is secreted by the microorganism, the protein may be drawn off in a solution such as a supernatant. If the protein is retained in the cells, the cells may be lysed and centrifuged to remove cell walls and other insoluble material. Small molecules are removed from the supernatant by appropriate methods such as dialysis or molecular sieve."

If the bacteria secrete it externally, fine.  If not, render 'em down and get it that way.
 
2013-08-26 02:54:32 PM

mgshamster: Slaves2Darkness: TomD9938: doglover: Wait until subby finds out what cheese and beer are.

That's why my "cheese" of choice is Velveeta.

I like knowing where my food is built.

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Oh man did I piss my friend off once. He made me a cheese sandwich and it taste awful. I told I thought that it was bad, because it was not Velveeta on Wonder Bread fried up in a pan with a half a stick of butter used for each slice of bread. Apparently he had used real expensive cheese, and bread, lightly toasted in an oven and served it with some kind of fancy tomato soup, a recipe he got out of a gourmet cookbook.

It propably tasted great to people who have taste, but I grew up on Wonder Bread, Velveeta deep fried in butter and by god that is what a cheese sandwich should taste like.

"People with taste" probably think that expansive fancy organic pile of crap they call a gourmet cheese sandwich is good because they've never had a real Velveeta cheese sandwich fried in butter on white bread.



You two probably also enjoy piping hot gazpacho soup!
 
2013-08-26 02:57:09 PM

mgshamster: 4) Unsafe and ineffective


When I was in high school, a fellow student told me that AIDS could be cured by injecting a small amount of gasoline into the patient's veins. I told him that any cure for anything has to leave the host alive, but that seemed to confuse and anger him.

I've never thought about these treatment categories before, but Imma go ahead and label the "Gasoline cures AIDS" treatment as unsafe and ineffective.

/CSB
 
2013-08-26 03:39:16 PM

doglover: Epicanis: You've never had a good Lambic

Lambics are fruit beers.



No, Framboise and Kriek are fruit beers, as are serveal others.. Gueuze, on the other hand, has no fruit in it, and it is made in a manner similar to Guinness Extra Stout. PS: Guinness Extra Stout has several bacteria in its overall brewing strain mix, too.

Stop being a sissy about beer.
 
2013-08-26 04:38:52 PM
Good to think about the next time you shun something like offal.
 
2013-08-26 05:14:37 PM

SweetHomeNowhere: I accidentally ate a teaspoonful of aspartame once. I felt dizzy after 10 minutes. Therefore I'll stick to my natural sugar.


Just imagine what would have happened if you'd tried a tsp of caffeine!

/poison's in the dose
 
2013-08-26 06:09:37 PM

kaedric: ZeroCorpse: I would LOVE it if someone made a cola sweetened with Stevia. It's a hell of a lot better tasting than Aspartame or Sucralose (or Saccharine, which I hated). What TRULY sucks is that Coca-Cola actually markets a Stevia product (Truvia), which is a sweetener. They said they'd market beverages sweetened with their Truvia, but I have yet to see Coca-Cola sweetened with it.

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You're a saint. Thanks!
 
2013-08-26 06:55:49 PM

Haoie: Good to think about the next time you shun something like offal.


Fun Fact: People used to throw away baby back ribs as 'offal' and now they cost $10-$20 a rack raw.  Funny stuff.
 
2013-08-26 07:35:44 PM
let me just put the tip in
 
2013-08-26 07:53:02 PM
that's some good shiat
 
2013-08-26 07:59:55 PM

mgshamster: USP .45: So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?

They probably are.  I'm more curious whether any of the "bacteria feces" nutjobs are also concerned with their gut flora. If they're so concerned with bacteria feces, they should stop eating altogether!


Lets take the "embryonic" out of it.  What's come out of stem cell research?  My understanding, not much.
 
2013-08-26 10:28:08 PM

gnadfly: mgshamster: USP .45: So are any of you any "bacteria feces" nutjobs also against embryonic stem cell research?

They probably are.  I'm more curious whether any of the "bacteria feces" nutjobs are also concerned with their gut flora. If they're so concerned with bacteria feces, they should stop eating altogether!

Lets take the "embryonic" out of it.  What's come out of stem cell research?  My understanding, not much.


Actually, a lot is coming out of stem cell research. They'e growing livers from stem cells. Mouse livers, to be sure, but it's promising.

Interesting thing is - embryonic lines have been none starters. All the advances have been from ... "mature" cells. Not an accurate term, but the best I got.
 
2013-08-27 02:10:27 AM
Has anyone pointed out yet that all things are made of chemicals -so eat/drink up?

Context means what?
 
2013-08-27 08:51:01 AM

ArmednHammered: brimed03: RexTalionis: Just for context, this site (NaturalNews.com), is also the heart of the anti-fluoride, anti-vaccination, and anti-GMO foods movements.

Fark Administrator - you know who you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself at supporting these kooks by even giving them the credibility of showing up on the main page.

The Fark mods got a lot of explaining to do lately, IMHO. But yes, this jumps to the top of the list.

Admins approve links, Mods have got nothing to do with it. Direct your rage where appropriate. http://www.fark.com/farq/faq/#What.27s_the_difference_between_a_moder a tor_and_an_admin.3F
/not a Mod or Admin.


Thanks for the info!
 
2013-08-27 09:23:08 AM

doglover: Cake Hunter: I prefer my bacteria excrement in super hoppy IPA form.

Your dubious taste in beers aside, it's yeast not bacteria. If your beer had bacteria in it, it would also make even you gag.


Just got around to refreshing the thread after I posted. Completely got my food poopers mixed up, which is embarrassing because I do a lot of microbiology stuff at work, and do a lot of yeast stuff after work.

Also, thpppt. YOU'RE the dubious.
 
2013-08-27 01:13:02 PM

blacksho89: Interesting thing is - embryonic lines have been none starters. All the advances have been from ... "mature" cells. Not an accurate term, but the best I got.


Actually, the take I've gotten from the research is that they get hints from embryonic lines which lead to ideas to manipulate adult stem cells to do what they want.

You want to be able to do this stuff with mature stem cells anyways because that's how you get a genetic match for your lab-grown replacement organ.

IE embryonic stem cell research is 'theoretical' research, adult stem cells are practical/application research.
 
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