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2013-08-25 05:03:57 PM
How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?
 
2013-08-25 05:16:41 PM
If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.
 
IP
2013-08-25 05:33:22 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

 
2013-08-25 05:40:23 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.


Can we sterilize them even if there isn't an outbreak?
 
2013-08-25 05:47:25 PM
Get your kids vaccinated dumbfarks.
 
2013-08-25 05:51:04 PM

SilentStrider: Get your kids vaccinated dumbfarks.


i1214.photobucket.com

Get your kids vaccinated, you credulous, arrogant f*ckwits.
 
2013-08-25 05:55:54 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?


Europe?
 
2013-08-25 06:07:48 PM

Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?


FT(very short)FA:  The child, who was not vaccinated, contracted the measles while traveling in Europe.
 
2013-08-25 06:29:21 PM

Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?


I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...
 
2013-08-25 06:39:56 PM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-08-25 06:41:45 PM
It's good they are tracking this all down, when you are dealing with measles it's important to connect the dots.
 
2013-08-25 06:58:01 PM
McCarthy Flu strikes again...

/she's so pro-health, she's selling e-cigarettes now...
 
2013-08-25 07:07:21 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

FT(very short)FA:  The child, who was not vaccinated, contracted the measles while traveling in Europe.


Reading the article? Ain't nobody got time fo dat!
 
2013-08-25 07:11:31 PM
Eh... It's Seattle. They bought their tickets...
 
2013-08-25 07:13:00 PM
MOON spells moon...

/ was nice knowing you all
 
2013-08-25 07:14:51 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.


I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.
 
2013-08-25 07:15:24 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

FT(very short)FA:  The child, who was not vaccinated, contracted the measles while traveling in Europe.


I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.
 
2013-08-25 07:17:26 PM

ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.


Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".
 
2013-08-25 07:17:50 PM
 
2013-08-25 07:18:04 PM

zabadu: I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.


How about hoping the kid gets better, but the parents get hit by a bus so the kid can be raised by non-idiots?
 
2013-08-25 07:18:54 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's good they are tracking this all down, when you are dealing with measles it's important to connect the dots.


I LOL'd.
 
2013-08-25 07:19:30 PM
Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?

Those parents ought to be smacked in the face with a frozen trout.
 
2013-08-25 07:20:20 PM
Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?
 
2013-08-25 07:20:30 PM
Typhoid Dennis the Menace.
 
2013-08-25 07:20:31 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.


Uh.
 
2013-08-25 07:20:33 PM
AMAZING!!!!!

As the vaccination % drops, cases go up!

It's almost like it's a SCIENCE!!!!!
 
2013-08-25 07:21:21 PM

zabadu: The My Little Pony Killer: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

FT(very short)FA:  The child, who was not vaccinated, contracted the measles while traveling in Europe.

I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.


It's not the kid's fault he's not vaccinated. I'd wish the measles death on the parents instead.
 
2013-08-25 07:23:28 PM

J. Frank Parnell: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Uh.


An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent. Nineteen (70 per cent) of the cases were students who had histories of measles vaccination at 12 months of age or older and are therefore considered vaccine failures. Persons who were unimmunized or immunized at less than 12 months of age had substantially higher attack rates compared to those immunized on or after 12 months of age. Vaccine failures among apparently adequately vaccinated individuals were sources of infection for at least 48 per cent of the cases in the outbreak. There was no evidence to suggest that waning immunity was a contributing factor among the vaccine failures. Close contact with cases of measles in the high school, source or provider of vaccine, sharing common activities or classes with cases, and verification of the vaccination history were not significant risk factors in the outbreak. The outbreak subsided spontaneously after four generations of illness in the school and demonstrates that when measles is introduced in a highly vaccinated population, vaccine failures may play some role in transmission but that such transmission is not usually sustained.
 
2013-08-25 07:25:03 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


Herd immunity. Look it up.
 
2013-08-25 07:25:21 PM

fusillade762: zabadu: The My Little Pony Killer: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

FT(very short)FA:  The child, who was not vaccinated, contracted the measles while traveling in Europe.

I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.

It's not the kid's fault he's not vaccinated. I'd wish the measles death on the parents instead.


I'd wish they got measle encephalitis instead.
 
2013-08-25 07:26:25 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 07:27:50 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


It's totally cool to willfully endanger anyone with HIV or who is otherwise immunocompromised. Wait, no, that's not right.
 
2013-08-25 07:29:04 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


IIRC, the first vaccine is at 12 months or so. That would mean anyone younger would be susceptible.
 
2013-08-25 07:29:15 PM
This is why I love fark. I was just telling my girlfriend earlier that these anti-vaccine hippy trash should be shot.
 
2013-08-25 07:29:41 PM
Is it measles or mumps that can cause sterility?

'Cause that might solve part of the issue right there.
 
2013-08-25 07:31:59 PM
Where is your McCarthy now?? Where is shleeee???????????????
 
2013-08-25 07:32:12 PM

SilentStrider: Get your kids vaccinated dumbfarks.


Didn't DRTFA but I came to say I caught measles from the vaccination. The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing.
 
2013-08-25 07:32:22 PM

BMFPitt: zabadu: I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.

How about hoping the kid gets better, but the parents get hit by a bus so the kid can be raised by non-idiots?


Okay, yeah...that's better.
 
2013-08-25 07:32:50 PM

meat0918: J. Frank Parnell: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Uh.

An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent. Nineteen (70 per cent) of the cases were students who had histories of measles vaccination at 12 months of age or older and are therefore considered vaccine failures. Persons who were unimmunized or immunized at less than 12 months of age had substantially higher attack rates compared to those immunized on or after 12 months of age. Vaccine failures among apparently adequately vaccinated individuals were sources of infection for at least 48 per cent of the cases in the outbreak. There was no evidence to suggest that waning immunity was a contributing factor among the vaccine failures. Close contact with cases of measles in the high school, source or provider of vaccine, sharing common activities or classes with cases, and verification of the vaccination history were not significant risk factors in the outbreak. The outbreak subsided spontaneously after four generations of illness in the school and demonstrates that when measles is introduced in a highly vaccinated population, vaccine failures may play some role in transmission but that such transmission is not usually sustained.


I wonder if the failed vaccinations were the MMR shot, or some other vaccination. Or all they all MMR now?
 
2013-08-25 07:33:25 PM

IP: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.


...and then executed
 
2013-08-25 07:35:25 PM

meat0918: J. Frank Parnell: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Uh.

An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent. Nineteen (70 per cent) of the cases were students who had histories of measles vaccination at 12 months of age or older and are therefore considered vaccine failures. Persons who were unimmunized or immunized at less than 12 months of age had substantially higher attack rates compared to those immunized on or after 12 months of age. Vaccine failures among apparently adequately vaccinated individuals were sources of infection for at least 48 per cent of the cases in the outbreak. There was no evidence to suggest that waning immunity was a contributing factor among the vaccine failures. Close contact with cases of measles in the high school, source or provider of vaccine, sharing common activities or classes with cases, and verification of the vaccination history were not significant risk factors in the outbreak. The outbreak subsided spontaneously after four generations of illness in the school and demonstrates that when measles is introduced in a highly vaccinated population, vaccine failures may play some role in transmission but that such transmission is not usually sustained.


They said infant. The poor kids who never got immunized yet.

A while back a young girl died because she had yet to receive the whooping cough vaccine because she was too young. It's called social immunity. It works.
 
2013-08-25 07:37:30 PM
Sterilized yes, anesthetic, no.
 
2013-08-25 07:42:31 PM
it's not just hippies and dumb hollywood celebrities hating on vaccines... Michele Bachmann and Alex Jones both spoke out against the evils of vaccination.  that evil big government, big science plot to ruin yer kidz!
 
2013-08-25 07:43:05 PM

FrancoFile: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...


Because once upon a time the US was a civilized country and vaccinations were part of public health policy.

Now, not so much.
 
2013-08-25 07:51:22 PM
Europe is the worst country ever.
 
2013-08-25 07:51:44 PM

Paris1127: McCarthy Flu strikes again...

/she's so pro-health, she's selling e-cigarettes now...


I don't blame McCarthy. You can always find someone saying something stupid. The blame lies entirely on the American people, who have made it a national trait to assert that ignorance and horse shiat is equally valid or even more valid than facts and science.
 
2013-08-25 07:52:03 PM
FrancoFile:
I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country.

/whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirely
 
2013-08-25 07:56:36 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


Depends, there are people out there who have been vaccinated in the past who may no longer have immunity.  For example, I have Lymphoma (blood cancer), at some point, it might be necessary to have a bone marrow transplant.  Essentially that means erradicating my immune system, creating a new one.  This means resetting every single immunity I ever had back to zero and you can't get re vaccinated for at least a year afterward.  Someones little monster could be the death of someone like me.
 
2013-08-25 07:57:20 PM

haolegirl: shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?

IIRC, the first vaccine is at 12 months or so. That would mean anyone younger would be susceptible.


I had measles as a young infant, way too young to even remember it because I was too young for the vaccination. I had the standard toddler vaccination, no booster later and at 35 still test as having immunity.
 
2013-08-25 07:57:32 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


Not every vaccinated person gets the immunity. Thankfully vaccinating everyone greatly reduces the risk that anyone at all will catch it.
 
2013-08-25 07:59:35 PM

Hollie Maea: I don't blame McCarthy. You can always find someone saying something stupid.


The difference with McCarthy is that she had a prominent soapbox to broadcast her deadly advice. She wasn't some barking idiot on the cross-town bus.

She actively cast her deadly speech in a very wide swath in the media.
 
2013-08-25 08:04:10 PM

lazymojo: it's not just hippies and dumb hollywood celebrities hating on vaccines... Michele Bachmann and Alex Jones both spoke out against the evils of vaccination.  that evil big government, big science plot to ruin yer kidz!


Don't forget Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I remember when he was on The Daily Show and started ranting about vaccines, Jon Stewart looked like he just wanted to crawl under his desk.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/20 13 /06/robert_f_kennedy_jr_vaccine_conspiracy_theory_scientists_and_journ alists.html
 
2013-08-25 08:04:40 PM

zabadu: I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.


I hope someone else suffers and dies to teach you a lesson!
 
2013-08-25 08:07:59 PM

Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?


Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a person with the measles becomes contagious several days before the tell tale rash appears. They can show little to no symptoms up until that point and what symptoms they have can easily be mistaken for a mild cold or flu prior to the rash.
 
2013-08-25 08:09:13 PM
Little do the smug Ameriturds  know......... that most of the world cannot afford vaccinations.
 
2013-08-25 08:18:34 PM

ReapTheChaos: Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a person with the measles becomes contagious several days before the tell tale rash appears. They can show little to no symptoms up until that point and what symptoms they have can easily be mistaken for a mild cold or flu prior to the rash.


It's bad enough when grown adults are running around outside when they're sick, making themselves even sicker and exposing everyone they come into contact with to whatever is they have, but shouldn't we, oh I don't know, treat young children just a tad bit different and keep them the hell home?  When I was a kid and was sick, even if I didn't look that sick, my parents kept my ass in the house until I was better.  So even if the measles rash hadn't appeared, if the kid was sick enough for someone to think they might have a cold or the flu.....THE PARENTS SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THE KID OUT INTO PUBLIC.
 
2013-08-25 08:19:05 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers:

If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Agreed. Except my parents made sure I was immunized when they gave out shots at public school in first grade so it's no skin off my back; maybe the idjits' dead sprogs can be attributed to "Darwin." And maybe dying of measles in a few days would spare the kids years of worse damage from their parents' stupidity later on. It is too bad there's not a germ we could target at anti-vaxxers themselves that'll spare their kids, but maybe Science can work on that.

I once read a novel about an engineered (flu?) virus that targeted only people with brown hair & brown eyes (IIRC). That's a stupid idea, it'd hit hardest at the hawt Latinas I drool over every time I go shopping, but it'd be great if a particular gene variation was common to anti-vaxxers or people who are genetically inclined to take such positions so we might develop a quick fatal infection just for them. Someday we might identify genes for bible-thumping, militant teetotaling, "Obama is a Marxist Kenyan" and such-like, so we can conjure counter-measures against that too. All it'd take is one good bundle of bugs.
 
2013-08-25 08:22:04 PM
I'm a bad man because I'm kinda hoping the kid was autistic.
 
2013-08-25 08:22:26 PM

haolegirl: shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?

IIRC, the first vaccine is at 12 months or so. That would mean anyone younger would be susceptible.


First vaccine is recommended 12-15 months of age. Such young'uns depend on herd immunity.

That's why everyone hates the anti-vaxxers; the 'vaxxers are intentionally defeating herd immunity.

If everyone could be vaccinated on day one of their lives, no one would really give a shiat about the 'vaxxers 'cos they would really only pose a problem to themselves.*

* ignoring the fact that some people may not be able to get a vaccine due to some other condition and thus also be dependent on herd immunity
 
2013-08-25 08:24:32 PM

FrancoFile: I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

I remember getting my yellow card updated in the late sixties for Europe. In the fifties and early sixties it was absolutely necessary.
 
2013-08-25 08:24:59 PM
I ate at a Chi-Chi's once during a time when an employee had Hep-B, so I had to go get a shot. I passed out. It was pretty cool.
 
2013-08-25 08:25:30 PM

wademh: I'm a bad man because I'm kinda hoping the kid was autistic.


Rideshare to hell? I'll chip in for gas.
 
2013-08-25 08:29:29 PM
By the way, my 17 year old niece, without any prompting or instruction from me, said the problem with anarchism is that most people just aren't smart enough to live in anarchy. The anti-vaxxer movement might provide a shortcut.
 
2013-08-25 08:30:07 PM
SqyzerBopCharlie. The Measles King!
 
2013-08-25 08:31:48 PM
Jenny McCarthy and others of her babykilling antivaxxer ilk deserve (deserves?) to die very, very slowly and painfully.  I have spoken.
 
2013-08-25 08:31:49 PM
So I'm guessing the kid with the measles wasn't autistic.
 
2013-08-25 08:32:43 PM
zabadu:they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.

It's impossible, in this day and age, for two modern American parents to be "uninformed" about the importance of vaccinations.  The parents DELIBERATELY did this to their kid.
 
2013-08-25 08:32:59 PM

SweetDickens: Little do the smug Ameriturds  know......... that most of the world cannot afford vaccinations.


bbbut I thought America had shiatty healthcare coverage! Euroshiats and Canadcraps won't shut up about it!

just because other people are poor, doesn't mean others should voluntarily abstain from something beneficial.
 
2013-08-25 08:39:12 PM
meat0918: re: vaccine failures

I've had my titers drawn a couple times as an adult--once when I worked at a hospital, the other time when I started grad school--and both times I showed no immunity to one of the MMR diseases (can't remember which).  In both cases, I got a booster.  The second booster was five years after the first one.

It's as if the vaccine just won't "take" for me.

/can't figure out if I'm immune or not
 
2013-08-25 08:39:46 PM
To bad it wasn't Portland.
 
2013-08-25 08:44:44 PM

lohphat: FrancoFile: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

Because once upon a time the US was a civilized country and vaccinations were part of public health policy.

Now, not so much.



Maybe Europe could start requiring proof of vaccination from American citizens before letting them step on European soil?
 
2013-08-25 08:47:24 PM
I've been vaccinated for protection against tolio, and the kneesles, but was born with immunity to smallcox.
 
2013-08-25 08:49:09 PM
I would panic...

BUT EVERY FREAKIN PERSON I CARE ABOUT IN THIS WORLD HAS HAD THE MMR VACCINE.

Despite their relation to me, some people approach things sanely. Literally and figuratively.
 
2013-08-25 08:49:52 PM
I was a kid in the '50s, so Polio was THE vaccine. I had mumps, measles, chicken pox and rubella. Got Chicken Pox again at 40. Outside of infrequent bouts of shingles, the first three did me no harm. Rubella cost me the sight in one eye. So, I'm glad that vaccines are available and in favor of making them mandatory.
 
2013-08-25 08:52:27 PM
the problem that this poses, beyond the obvious risks to unvaccinated folks and those for whom the vaccine fails, is that this gives new vectors for diseases to be exposed to drugs and mutate, much like antibiotic resistent TB and such, coming back to bite us in the ass because nothing we have will touch them, and pharmaceuticals being such big business all but guarantees any treatments developed will be extremely expensive, making many face the choice between death and paying for the rest of their lives to the same pharmas to manage their symptoms. Call me paranoid, but it seems to me that more money goes into research for treatments of things like AIDS and cancer than goes into cure research. you hear occasional cases of someone being "cured" but they soon disappear and little further study and research goes into how it was achieved. I am often cynical about health care reform and single payer because it does nothing to put a dent in the absolute stranglehold of medical equipment and drug providers, just deals with the aftermath of the outrageous overcharging they get away with. /life saving drugs should not be patentable. //life saving equipment that cost a couple hundred to a couple grand to build shouldn't cost ten times that to the consumer. ///a CPAP machine that has roughly $150 of electronics in it costs close to $1500...why?
 
2013-08-25 08:53:08 PM
full site + Firefox on android = formatting fail.
 
2013-08-25 08:54:12 PM

The One True TheDavid: ecmoRandomNumbers:

If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Agreed. Except my parents made sure I was immunized when they gave out shots at public school in first grade so it's no skin off my back; maybe the idjits' dead sprogs can be attributed to "Darwin." And maybe dying of measles in a few days would spare the kids years of worse damage from their parents' stupidity later on. It is too bad there's not a germ we could target at anti-vaxxers themselves that'll spare their kids, but maybe Science can work on that.

I once read a novel about an engineered (flu?) virus that targeted only people with brown hair & brown eyes (IIRC). That's a stupid idea, it'd hit hardest at the hawt Latinas I drool over every time I go shopping, but it'd be great if a particular gene variation was common to anti-vaxxers or people who are genetically inclined to take such positions so we might develop a quick fatal infection just for them. Someday we might identify genes for bible-thumping, militant teetotaling, "Obama is a Marxist Kenyan" and such-like, so we can conjure counter-measures against that too. All it'd take is one good bundle of bugs.


Put ergot psychotropics in homeopathic "remedies." No need to rely on genetics, just gullible people being gullible.

/I hope that's not obscure.
//It's almost as if it could have been written just yesterday.
 
2013-08-25 09:14:28 PM

SweetDickens: Little do the smug Ameriturds  know......... that most of the world cannot afford vaccinations.


At least you got one bite this time. You need a better schtick though, that one is way too obvious. Go ask an adult for help, maybe they'll hook you up.


It's a shame you probably can't prove you got the infection from that particular little snowflake, and sue their parents.

/Also, what's with the sudden influx of really shiatty trolls?
 
2013-08-25 09:19:02 PM
Carlin on germs (YouTube)

"Take a farking chance, buncha goddamn pussies."
 
2013-08-25 09:19:55 PM
All the people raging about taking he kid out in public Gould remember it has become illegal to leave kids at home alone.
 
2013-08-25 09:20:34 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: All the people raging about taking he kid out in public Gould remember it has become illegal to leave kids at home alone.


Should. Not Gould.
 
2013-08-25 09:22:06 PM

J Noble Daggett: wademh: I'm a bad man because I'm kinda hoping the kid was autistic.

Rideshare to hell? I'll chip in for gas.


I'll fly and buy on this road trip guys.
 
2013-08-25 09:26:18 PM
Mrbogey Eh... It's Seattle. They bought their tickets...
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Guy from Europe who knows something about the danger of communicable diseases in Seattle...
 
2013-08-25 09:35:51 PM
I'm sorry, you failed to vaccinate your little snowflake because you listened to a celebrity and not your doctor and now he's contracted measles from a random stranger in a restaurant?

Good.

Let the weeding of the idiots begin.
 
2013-08-25 09:41:24 PM
Kit Fister: ...//life saving equipment that cost a couple hundred to a couple grand to build shouldn't cost ten times that to the consumer. ///a CPAP machine that has roughly $150 of electronics in it costs close to $1500...why?

Because Free Market Capitalism! The markup on hearing aids is pretty astounding too. $3K for something that wholesales for a few hundred.
 
2013-08-25 09:48:57 PM
When I was a student at the University of Washington, I would eat at Aladdins all the time.  There's actually two of them. One on the north and south end of the Ave.  Their lamb and beef gyros are the best I've ever had.  I would, almost, go so far as to say that they make better late night drunk food than Dick's drive-in.
 
2013-08-25 09:59:45 PM

Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?

Those parents ought to be smacked in the face with a frozen trout.


BECAUSE ITS THAT CHILDS RIGHT TO BE OUT IN PUBLIC YOU COMMUNIST NAZI PIG.

/or something, right? precious snowflakes deserve the world
//study it out
 
2013-08-25 10:06:30 PM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Carlin on germs (YouTube)

"Take a farking chance, buncha goddamn pussies."


Carlin was a Comedian, not a physician or scientist. Comedians make people laugh, but they suck at keeping them from dying from preventable diseases.

2.bp.blogspot.com

So yeah, take a chance, you pussies!

drugline.org
 
2013-08-25 10:11:14 PM

blender61: To bad it wasn't Portland.


The kid was all over Portland too:
http://www.co.washington.or.us/HHS/News/measles-august-2013.cfm
 
2013-08-25 10:15:45 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


That question was answered in the comments [but no one should read comments that the general public can get their hands on uncensored].
They said, "No vaccine is 100% effective"--NWNative  and:
"For vaccines to be truly effective, you must achieve herd immunity which is around 94% of the population vaccinated. This is how we eradicated smallpox across the world - we vaccinated EVERYONE who wasn't allergic to the ingredients."  --quidproquo  http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Health-officials-Chi ld-with-measles -visited-U-District-store-221011941.html
 
2013-08-25 10:21:36 PM

lazymojo: it's not just hippies and dumb hollywood celebrities hating on vaccines... Michele Bachmann and Alex Jones both spoke out against the evils of vaccination.  that evil big government, big science plot to ruin yer kidz!


I heard an audio clip of Alex Jones the other day.

I said "Hey, that's Red Green."

Now it all makes sense.

You have heard it here first:  Anti-vaxxers are one arm of a secret Canadian terrorist organization.  Their goal is to take over the US and control us with poutine-fueled national health care, in a Master/Blaster kind of arrangement.
 
2013-08-25 10:28:07 PM

Yakivegas: Kit Fister: ...//life saving equipment that cost a couple hundred to a couple grand to build shouldn't cost ten times that to the consumer. ///a CPAP machine that has roughly $150 of electronics in it costs close to $1500...why?

Because Free Market Capitalism! The markup on hearing aids is pretty astounding too. $3K for something that wholesales for a few hundred.


More like unbalanced development and delivery costs.
Conceptionally inventing something is relatively cheap. Developing it as a viable product is expensive. You want it to work in a hospital? You may need FDA approval, you need lots of other approvals. You need to get CE certified. You have to look out for all sorts of ways that creative idiots can break it, get it wet, electrocute themselves with it, miscalibrate it, misread it. You have to test those $150 worth of parts to make sure they don't misbehave and check their manufacturers to make sure they build them consistently. You need to pay the people who do all this, now how to do all this, know how to negotiate with regulators who think they know how the process works but are unfamiliar with the actual system and don't understand why your method of testing and verification is actually more reliable than their off-the-cuff suggestions.

And they don't teach all this in school so you need to have people around to train others how to do all this. Then you need marketing to deal with the idiots who don't understand that things cost more than the raw price of the parts and trivial assembly.
 
2013-08-25 10:30:43 PM
We have our own rich kid measles victim here too. Can't be the same kid since the dates overlap:

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/08/24/hamilton-confirmed- ca se-of-measles.html
 
2013-08-25 10:39:40 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


Not at all.  Vaccination isn't 100% effective at creating immunity.  Some individuals never develop a sufficiently strong immune response to the vaccine.  Others develop the initial immune response, but lose the immunity at a faster than expected rate (all vaccinations lose some of their effect over time, hence why there are booster shots).
 
2013-08-25 10:39:49 PM

MutantMotherMouse: I caught measles from the vaccination.

Uh, no. This is the kind of anecdotal stuff that leads people to give up real science, thus can lead to outbreaks in the first place.

"

The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing."

"[T]raveled extensively" --Oh! Really. Interesting. This is just a hypothesis, but, I bet you got it overseas before you showed any signs.  You may be suffering from one of the very rare vaccine failures, or partial vaccine failures. Thus you got it despite everything that an individual could do. Just because you have had vaccines "more than once" does not mean you have been properly immunized. Read the CDC guidelines.

This is why herd immunity is so important.

You cannot catch measles from its vaccine, same for the flu vaccine. Read and educate yourself:   http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-v a ccine/mmr-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine.html
It is a very "bad thing" for babies to be exposed to measles, of course. I am glad that *this time* there was no tragedy. Don't rely on luck of the draw and ask your doctor if she thinks the vaccines failed for you.
 
2013-08-25 10:46:49 PM
Adolf Oliver Nipples -  That is fantastic. I love Pandemic.
 
2013-08-25 10:49:39 PM

bubo_sibiricus: I'm sorry, you failed to vaccinate your little snowflake because you listened to a celebrity and not your doctor and now he's contracted measles from a random stranger in a restaurant?

Good.

Let the weeding of the idiots begin.


I want so badly to agree with you, but I can't. Kids are subject to the whims of their parents, and I just can't countenance making a child pay the price for the stupidity of adults. If it were adults dropping like flies, I'm right there with you, because one would presume that they're old enough to make their own decisions. But kids? Sorry, can't do it.
 
2013-08-25 11:16:51 PM

Gecko Gingrich: ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.

Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".


Fark memes are beyond you? You need to you five bucks back.
 
2013-08-25 11:17:35 PM

Katolu: Gecko Gingrich: ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.

Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".

Fark memes are beyond you? You need to you five bucks back.


And I need my verb...
 
2013-08-25 11:34:58 PM

dogblue: MutantMotherMouse: I caught measles from the vaccination.

Uh, no. This is the kind of anecdotal stuff that leads people to give up real science, thus can lead to outbreaks in the first place.

"The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing."

"[T]raveled extensively" --Oh! Really. Interesting. This is just a hypothesis, but, I bet you got it overseas before you showed any signs.  You may be suffering from one of the very rare vaccine failures, or partial vaccine failures. Thus you got it despite everything that an individual could do. Just because you have had vaccines "more than once" does not mean you have been properly immunized. Read the CDC guidelines.

This is why herd immunity is so important.

You cannot catch measles from its vaccine, same for the flu vaccine. Read and educate yourself:   http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-v a ccine/mmr-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine.html
It is a very "bad thing" for babies to be exposed to measles, of course. I am glad that *this time* there was no tragedy. Don't rely on luck of the draw and ask your doctor if she thinks the vaccines failed for you.


I'm not sure what of my comment set you off, but I, in fact, had an outbreak of measles due to the vaccine. My OB/GYN had never it had it happen before in her 17+ years of practice, but 5-15% of adults immunized breakout with a measles rash and other measles symptoms (fever, etc). In my early 20's, I was a page away from filling an immunization record book. Obviously, I'm pro-vaccination.

As far as our newborn, I was terrified of transmitting the disease. Especially as I was nursing her. Pediatrician and OB/GYN had no concern of transmission to her. She nursed and I cared for her as normal. Both of our children received all of their immunizations as scheduled with no problems.

Your statement of my having them prior -- I'll don't know. It was not a question at the time. Within 24 hours of the vaccine I was covered with a measles rash. I hadn't traveled during my pregnancy, and the physicians didn't indicate that there could be a lengthy gestation period for the disease.

The biggest concern really was for my pregnant sister-in-law and my father who was in the midst chemo.

It happened. We itched like crazy and life went on. The aforementioned 'newborn' is now 26, perfectly healthy, and working on filling her passport and immunization records. Thankfully with no incident.
 
2013-08-25 11:55:39 PM
dogblue: As far as your insinuation that I wasn't taking the situation seriously with my newborn and was relying on the 'luck of the draw' -- WTF? My 'not necessarily a bad thing' was sarcasm that the (now ex-) inlaws couldn't visit. But whatever. I'm glad I could fill your disproportinate internet outrage quota for the day. Come back tomorrow. I'm sure I've had another life experience that you can wiki deny.
 
2013-08-25 11:56:53 PM

halotosis: shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?

Depends, there are people out there who have been vaccinated in the past who may no longer have immunity.  For example, I have Lymphoma (blood cancer), at some point, it might be necessary to have a bone marrow transplant.  Essentially that means erradicating my immune system, creating a new one.  This means resetting every single immunity I ever had back to zero and you can't get re vaccinated for at least a year afterward.  Someones little monster could be the death of someone like me.


I am in your boat too (autoimmune disease and my meds shut down my immune system intentionally). My hubby caught whooping cough from another firefighter who was exposed in a call. He had to leave the house for two weeks because I couldn't risk exposure....all because this lady didn't vaccinate her kids and then allowed her relatives from South America to visit. Eleven firefighters were infected.
 
2013-08-25 11:57:20 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: SilentStrider: Get your kids vaccinated dumbfarks.

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Get your kids vaccinated, you credulous, arrogant f*ckwits.

 
2013-08-26 12:00:56 AM

ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.


Yea, verily, I do most heartily concur.
 
2013-08-26 12:20:45 AM
I'm down there all the time -- wasn't there that day, though. I wonder if the kid goes to Salmon Bay? If he does, they're lucky the measles broke out now instead of next week or there could have been a small epidemic -- Salmon Bay is ridiculously undervaccinated.
 
2013-08-26 12:46:56 AM

Gecko Gingrich: ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.

Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".


I think he's from Britland
They talk like that there
Sad really
 
2013-08-26 01:34:23 AM
I say this all the time... Let's pretend for a minute that anti-vaxers are correct and that vaccines cause autism.

The rise in autism rates mostly includes the high functioning variety, like my daughter. Typically these kids will be fine but be a bit overly sensitive to light, sound, touch, etc. They might not have a good understanding of social norms. As a result, crowds are typically not going to be a great place for an autistic child, but most who are high functioning will learn to adapt in time. It might take some effort, but it's possible.

They might also have some trouble with language development. Mine is a bit behind her peers, enough so that she has to have extra help with it, and her handwriting is atrocious, but you should see her math scores. Many autistic children are very bright despite whether or not they might have language development issues. And like above, they might eventually catch up.

Yes, the extreme cases do happen, but that's not the bulk of autism diagnoses today. The bulk of diagnoses would be the high functioning variety that wouldn't have even been diagnosed 10-20 years ago. And if you're correct and vaccines are responsible for all or most of those those high functioning autism cases, then here's what you're telling parents:

You're telling parents that it's better to risk killing your children than to have them be uncomfortable in a crowd. You're telling them that it's better to risk that they have a horrible disability as a result of a preventable illness than for them to have to go to speech and occupational therapy for a few years.

So even if you're right, it'd still be a hard sell to tell me that a risk of death is a better choice for my child than a risk of having to have her placed in a smaller classroom.
 
2013-08-26 01:40:47 AM

MutantMotherMouse: dogblue: MutantMotherMouse: I caught measles from the vaccination.

Uh, no. This is the kind of anecdotal stuff that leads people to give up real science, thus can lead to outbreaks in the first place.

"The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing."

"[T]raveled extensively" --Oh! Really. Interesting. This is just a hypothesis, but, I bet you got it overseas before you showed any signs.  You may be suffering from one of the very rare vaccine failures, or partial vaccine failures. Thus you got it despite everything that an individual could do. Just because you have had vaccines "more than once" does not mean you have been properly immunized. Read the CDC guidelines.

This is why herd immunity is so important.

You cannot catch measles from its vaccine, same for the flu vaccine. Read and educate yourself:   http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-v a ccine/mmr-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine.html
It is a very "bad thing" for babies to be exposed to measles, of course. I am glad that *this time* there was no tragedy. Don't rely on luck of the draw and ask your doctor if she thinks the vaccines failed for you.

I'm not sure what of my comment set you off, but I, in fact, had an outbreak of measles due to the vaccine. My OB/GYN had never it had it happen before in her 17+ years of practice, but 5-15% of adults immunized breakout with a measles rash and other measles symptoms (fever, etc). In my early 20's, I was a page away from filling an immunization record book. Obviously, I'm pro-vaccination.

As far as our newborn, I was terrified of transmitting the disease. Especially as I was nursing her. ...


 It's not unheard of for people to get symptoms of diseases they are vaccinated for. I don't know the exact reason behind it,  but I figured that if your body normally has, say, a fever, to deal with Virus X, then if you get a vaccine for Virus X your body might give you a fever because it thinks you have Virus X.

 Also with live viruses there is always the tiny infinitesimal chance that you could actually get sick. MMR is one such vaccine that still uses a live virus I believe.
 
2013-08-26 01:41:50 AM

supayoda: I say this all the time... Let's pretend for a minute that anti-vaxers are correct and that vaccines cause autism.

The rise in autism rates mostly includes the high functioning variety, like my daughter. Typically these kids will be fine but be a bit overly sensitive to light, sound, touch, etc. They might not have a good understanding of social norms. As a result, crowds are typically not going to be a great place for an autistic child, but most who are high functioning will learn to adapt in time. It might take some effort, but it's possible.

They might also have some trouble with language development. Mine is a bit behind her peers, enough so that she has to have extra help with it, and her handwriting is atrocious, but you should see her math scores. Many autistic children are very bright despite whether or not they might have language development issues. And like above, they might eventually catch up.

Yes, the extreme cases do happen, but that's not the bulk of autism diagnoses today. The bulk of diagnoses would be the high functioning variety that wouldn't have even been diagnosed 10-20 years ago. And if you're correct and vaccines are responsible for all or most of those those high functioning autism cases, then here's what you're telling parents:

You're telling parents that it's better to risk killing your children than to have them be uncomfortable in a crowd. You're telling them that it's better to risk that they have a horrible disability as a result of a preventable illness than for them to have to go to speech and occupational therapy for a few years.

So even if you're right, it'd still be a hard sell to tell me that a risk of death is a better choice for my child than a risk of having to have her placed in a smaller classroom.


IT IS! MY CHILD MUST BE PERFECT WITH NARY A FLAW! DEATH IS PREFERABLE TO PEOPLE THINKING MY CHILD IS LESS THAN PERFECTION ITSELF!! I WOULD SOONER SEE MY SNOWFLAKE IN AN EARLY GRAVE THAN LIVE WITH THE NOTION SHE MIGHT BE THE EPITOME OF WONDERFULNESS I EXPECT HER TO BE!!!!

I'm glad your daughter is doing okay. She'll probably be fine by the time she's ready to be an adult.
 
2013-08-26 03:51:44 AM
Why are people who've already been vaccinated worried?

Isn't the whole point of the vaccination to help your body resist infection. Doctors work with sick people all day and they stay pretty healthy thanks to basic hygiene and their shots. Why wouldn't the same be true of you?
 
2013-08-26 05:04:47 AM
 
2013-08-26 07:47:28 AM

doglover: Why are people who've already been vaccinated worried?

Isn't the whole point of the vaccination to help your body resist infection. Doctors work with sick people all day and they stay pretty healthy thanks to basic hygiene and their shots. Why wouldn't the same be true of you?


If you read the whole thread, you'd know your question was asked and answered already. A few times.
 
2013-08-26 09:45:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: She'll probably be fine by the time she's ready to be an adult.


She should be. We've worked with her a lot over the summer and so far she's doing okay in school this year. The worst that happened last year is that she would break down into tears (read: not a tantrum, just crying) if they unexpectedly changed the schedule on her. The teacher would explain that they had to move on to something else, but she didn't quite understand that they'd come back to whatever she was doing. That was corrected once the teacher figured out how to reword her explanations. Kiddo has a hard time grasping time concepts in particular, but that's easily fixed by showing her when something will happen on a calendar or a checklist-style schedule.
 
2013-08-26 10:34:26 AM
Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?

Anit-vaxx bullshiat alert. ^^^^

Dude, getting vaccinated is like buying a fire extinguisher. It can help you put out _a_ fire, but it cannot help you put out _every_ fire _every_ time. Vaccination doesn't confer "immunity" it confers "resistance" -- e.g. an anthrax vaccination doesn't cause the white powder to bound from your skin or flee the room when you enter.

An unvaccinated person gets sicker and spews more pathogens than a vaccinated person because they had "several days to burn" before their immune system could mount an effective response. So vaccinations "prevent dis ease" by letting someone fight off the infection before becoming communicable or noticeably symptomatic.

But say someone brought their kid into a restaurant spewing diseases. [Their vaccinated parents are also probably lightly infected but not symptomatic because _they_ have the protection they are denying their kids.] And say this disease fountain sits next to a guy who is taking a break from tending to his infant son whom he will return to in moments and infect directly with the spume of the burning disease monger...? Or say he's about to walk back across the street to see his cancer afflicted loved one, or say he has HIV and doesn't know he's got no T-Cells left?

This movie will explain all this so simply even a child could understand it -- the guy's voice is pretty annoying, but he's not wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRclbfK5q08
 
2013-08-26 10:50:18 AM
On "Boosters". Vaccinations don't confer "immunity" they confer "resistance". They do so by exposing your body to something "very like" a particular disease pathogen. Sometimes this is the weakened disease itself and sometimes its just some proteins the pathogen it has on its surface.

The goal is to get your body to recognize the "bad thing" and so trigger a full immune response to the "very like" substance. Your body will collect up the disease, compute and antibody and some of the "B cells" that were involved in that antibody creation will end up memorizing that anti-body and then just hanging around.

When those B cells finally die your body has forgotten how to make that antibody and its like you never had the vaccine. So we give boosters to cause those B cells to wake up and rush off to make more antibodies _and_ brand new B cells with the blueprint in them.

Some people just wont respond to a vaccine, and different people lose those B cells at different rates.

In all cases the vaccine doesn't "prevent" the disease, it allows your body to fight off the disease from day one instead of giving the disease free reign to multiply for all the time it takes your body to detect the pathogen, compute an antibody, and manufacture the B cells -- all of which must happen before the first T cell can kill the first copy of the pathogen.

So vaccinations are like fire extinguishers. They let you put the fire out while its small, as opposed to having to wait around for the fire department because you couldn't get your garden hose hooked up and too the fire before it was too big for a garden hose to put out. But that extinguisher can only do so much. Repeated exposures and really serious exposures can overwhelm the extinguisher. An extinguisher that's too old will not have much, if any, charge left.

One of the many ways that anti-vaccine people damage the world is their faulty logic based on magical thinking. They use the "if it didn't work like magic it must not work at all" line of "reasoning" to make a lot of really improper and anti-factual observations.

(can you tell that this is a pet peeve of mine?)
 
2013-08-26 11:05:58 AM
As to why you can get some of the symptoms of the disease from a vaccine has to do with some very simple things.

(1) the vaccine triggers your immune system. That's what it's for. It is your immune system that is responsible for many/most effects of most diseases. So the shot is doing the same thing to your immune system -- but not your tissues -- as the disease. So for instance the flu shot might raise your temperature but it _wont_ go destroying your lung tissue like the real flu.

(2) we give small repeated doses of things that your immune system really hates so that the symptoms remain "sub clinical" (unnoticeable) in most people.

(3) diseases actually do _damage_ when they _eat_ (in the case of bacteria), _shiat_ (also bacteria), or when they _reproduce_ (in the case of viruses). Since the stuff in vaccines do not eat, shiat, or reproduce -- or in the case of attenuated viral pathogens they do very little reproduction, the vaccine cannot do the damage that the disease does.

The normal observable result of a vaccine is a crying child and some soreness at the site of the injection because that's where the immune system is doing all its learning. Sometimes the vaccinated person gets a fever or overall blech because their body over-reacts a little.

All of this is desirable because if your body didn't react it the vaccine would be about as useful as tap water (or homoeopathic solvents as the kids have taken to calling tap water these days).
 
2013-08-26 01:09:38 PM

Zemog: FrancoFile:
I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country.

/whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirely


Europe has terrible vaccination rates now.  Herd immunity is basically gone from there.  Measles epidemics now happen on a regular basis.
 
2013-08-26 01:15:07 PM

Shazam999: Zemog: FrancoFile:
I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country.

/whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirely

Europe has terrible vaccination rates now.  Herd immunity is basically gone from there.  Measles epidemics now happen on a regular basis.


Andrew Wakefield is a direct, proximate cause of this. The fact they haven't charged him with negligent homicide for his falsified research and intent to defraud the European Community boggles my mind.
 
2013-08-26 01:25:39 PM

hardinparamedic: Shazam999: Zemog: FrancoFile:
I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country.

/whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirely

Europe has terrible vaccination rates now.  Herd immunity is basically gone from there.  Measles epidemics now happen on a regular basis.

Andrew Wakefield is a direct, proximate cause of this. The fact they haven't charged him with negligent homicide for his falsified research and intent to defraud the European Community boggles my mind.


What we need is a nice large polio epidemic to rid the world of their brethren.
 
2013-08-26 01:35:17 PM

Shazam999: What we need is a nice large polio epidemic to rid the world of their brethren.


Whelp, time to go buy shares in CareFusion and Airon USA
 
2013-08-26 02:20:34 PM

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


I'm no Dr. but my understanding is that vaccination is not 100%.  That is, they improve your chances of survival by training your immune system how to fight it off.  But that doesn't mean you wouldn't get infected.
 
2013-08-26 05:57:27 PM

Wrencher: On the subject of autism, I ran across this recently.

MIND Institute, Yale study finds abnormalities in the placentas of children at risk for autism


This--time to trot out the New Obligatory Statement Re Autism and Vaccines:

Vaccines don't cause autism.  It is pretty much in fact IMPOSSIBLE for vaccines to cause autism unless you give certain live vaccines to mom VERY early in pregnancy, and they don't DO that (pretty much all live vaccines are very explicitly contraindicated for pregnant and possibly-pregnant women).

What causes autism (that is not definitively linked to some OTHER genetic disorder--there are a number of genetic diseases that can cause an ASD-like syndrome) is what is referred to as a "neuronal differentiation disorder".  Basically what this means in layman's terms is that the layers of the brain don't separate out quite right and there's too much linkage between neurons (which causes a whole lot of crosstalk and feedback, which explains why the kid gets overstimulated when going out to eat and having a meltdown because he's pretty much literally having a sensory BSoD at that point).

We have also found out the same problems with cell differentiation and layer-separation that occur in the brains of people with autism also occur in the placentas of infants that are diagnosed with autism (and the correlation is strong enough that this may in future be an Early Intervention Test).

The placenta is the FIRST organ that develops in an embryo, and if something shows up in the placenta it's showing up everywhere (which is why some kids with autism also have gastrointestinal issues and the like).  This also means that whatever has gone sideways is something genetic.

We also know that the same problems in the placentas of infants ultimately diagnosed with autism also occur in certain chromosomal disorders, and we know that there is a definite correlation of increase of autism rates in children conceived by fathers over the age of 40--just as there's a higher rate of chromosomal disorders in women who have babies after the age of 40.

Put more bluntly: It's not the vaccines, it's your own scrambled eggs and swimmers that cause autism.  Don't want autistic kids?  Aim for becoming Teen Pregnant and try to avoid the radon and nuclear fallout.  Failing that, consider putting some funds in prenatal diagnosis and viable tactics in gene therapy.

And just to fark with antivaxxers even MORE--one of the whole reasons we vaccinate kids against childhood illnesses is to build up herd immunity so that the moms (who CAN'T get the jab when they're pregnant) won't risk catching rubella or measles or other diseases that can essentially cause severe prenatal brain damage in their fetuses.  Severe prenatal brain damage, I'll note, that tends to manifest a lot like something we'd classify as autism as well as other fun things like deaf-blindness, general farkage of sensory awareness, and intellectual disabilities...

We also vaccinate kids against some diseases to keep them from getting postnatal brain damage that can manifest a lot like something we'd classify as autism.  It used to be until quite recently that there was a major risk that babies would contract meningitis--what used to be known as "brain fever"--and would end up essentially autistic AND Counting To Potato if they were very, very lucky (and just as often would end up dead OR less counting to potato and more being potato, as in "babby would end up in a persistent vegetative state").  We've knocked the hell out of the most common causes of meningitis in kids thanks to routine vaccination (not just for chickenpox and MMR, but HIb in particular--a common bacterial form of meningitis--and many countries have introduced vaccination for other types of meningitis as well).

There's also the whole "There is shiat that can kill a babby too young to get the jab and can kill even adults" stuff, too.  Whooping cough, of all things, is making one hell of a comeback thanks to parents who don't get the jab because they're scared the kid will react poorly to the pertussis component of the DTaP vaccine...and, well, whooping cough is starting to kill babies again like it did in the 1920s and 1930s, and it's starting to throw folks with respiratory conditions like asthma in hospital ICUs.  Whooping cough still sucks ass even if you're a healthy, non-asthmatic adult; the Chinese call it the "hundred-day cough" because that's how long it sticks around, and you basically get to experience the same sorts of gasping, wheezing, coughing-till-you-spew goodness us asthmatics get to experience during a bad asthma attack--with the difference that (unlike us LUCKY motherfarkers with asthma) you can't knock out a bad whooping cough hacking-jag with albuterol or other rescue inhalers.  Nope, you just get to cough until you wheeze or puke or piss yourself or pass out.  But hey, the shiat can't cause autism if it makes you cough yourself into incontinent unconsciousness or kills babby, can it?

/srsly, folks, vaccinate your kids.  Yes, even the autistic ones.  You only get exemptions if there's an actual doctor-confirmed medical reason to defer the shots (and there ARE some of those).  Not philosophy.  Not "I don't want to accept that my swimmers are gerfickt and that's why my kid has teh autism".  Not "Jeebus will prevent us from getting sick and will heal us miraculously if we give half our pre-tax income to the megachurch". 
//if any of you non-vaxxing acolytes of Nurgle give me something I end up in hospital for because I have asthma and the drugs that let me farking BREATHE also cause a mild immunocompromise, I reserve the right to send you farkers the part of the bill my insurance won't pay.  Best hope it's not during the full-cost donut-hole! :D
 
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