halotosis: shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?Depends, there are people out there who have been vaccinated in the past who may no longer have immunity. For example, I have Lymphoma (blood cancer), at some point, it might be necessary to have a bone marrow transplant. Essentially that means erradicating my immune system, creating a new one. This means resetting every single immunity I ever had back to zero and you can't get re vaccinated for at least a year afterward. Someones little monster could be the death of someone like me.
Benevolent Misanthrope: SilentStrider: Get your kids vaccinated dumbfarks.[i1214.photobucket.com image 400x155]Get your kids vaccinated, you credulous, arrogant f*ckwits.
ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.
Gecko Gingrich: ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".
MutantMotherMouse: dogblue: MutantMotherMouse: I caught measles from the vaccination.Uh, no. This is the kind of anecdotal stuff that leads people to give up real science, thus can lead to outbreaks in the first place."The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing.""[T]raveled extensively" --Oh! Really. Interesting. This is just a hypothesis, but, I bet you got it overseas before you showed any signs. You may be suffering from one of the very rare vaccine failures, or partial vaccine failures. Thus you got it despite everything that an individual could do. Just because you have had vaccines "more than once" does not mean you have been properly immunized. Read the CDC guidelines.This is why herd immunity is so important.You cannot catch measles from its vaccine, same for the flu vaccine. Read and educate yourself: http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-v a ccine/mmr-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine.htmlIt is a very "bad thing" for babies to be exposed to measles, of course. I am glad that *this time* there was no tragedy. Don't rely on luck of the draw and ask your doctor if she thinks the vaccines failed for you.I'm not sure what of my comment set you off, but I, in fact, had an outbreak of measles due to the vaccine. My OB/GYN had never it had it happen before in her 17+ years of practice, but 5-15% of adults immunized breakout with a measles rash and other measles symptoms (fever, etc). In my early 20's, I was a page away from filling an immunization record book. Obviously, I'm pro-vaccination.As far as our newborn, I was terrified of transmitting the disease. Especially as I was nursing her. ...
supayoda: I say this all the time... Let's pretend for a minute that anti-vaxers are correct and that vaccines cause autism.The rise in autism rates mostly includes the high functioning variety, like my daughter. Typically these kids will be fine but be a bit overly sensitive to light, sound, touch, etc. They might not have a good understanding of social norms. As a result, crowds are typically not going to be a great place for an autistic child, but most who are high functioning will learn to adapt in time. It might take some effort, but it's possible.They might also have some trouble with language development. Mine is a bit behind her peers, enough so that she has to have extra help with it, and her handwriting is atrocious, but you should see her math scores. Many autistic children are very bright despite whether or not they might have language development issues. And like above, they might eventually catch up.Yes, the extreme cases do happen, but that's not the bulk of autism diagnoses today. The bulk of diagnoses would be the high functioning variety that wouldn't have even been diagnosed 10-20 years ago. And if you're correct and vaccines are responsible for all or most of those those high functioning autism cases, then here's what you're telling parents:You're telling parents that it's better to risk killing your children than to have them be uncomfortable in a crowd. You're telling them that it's better to risk that they have a horrible disability as a result of a preventable illness than for them to have to go to speech and occupational therapy for a few years.So even if you're right, it'd still be a hard sell to tell me that a risk of death is a better choice for my child than a risk of having to have her placed in a smaller classroom.
doglover: Why are people who've already been vaccinated worried?Isn't the whole point of the vaccination to help your body resist infection. Doctors work with sick people all day and they stay pretty healthy thanks to basic hygiene and their shots. Why wouldn't the same be true of you?
Gyrfalcon: She'll probably be fine by the time she's ready to be an adult.
Zemog: FrancoFile:I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country./whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirely
Shazam999: Zemog: FrancoFile:I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country./whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirelyEurope has terrible vaccination rates now. Herd immunity is basically gone from there. Measles epidemics now happen on a regular basis.
hardinparamedic: Shazam999: Zemog: FrancoFile:I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...The Europeans used to assume the this was a first-world country./whether they LIKED us was a different matter entirelyEurope has terrible vaccination rates now. Herd immunity is basically gone from there. Measles epidemics now happen on a regular basis.Andrew Wakefield is a direct, proximate cause of this. The fact they haven't charged him with negligent homicide for his falsified research and intent to defraud the European Community boggles my mind.
Shazam999: What we need is a nice large polio epidemic to rid the world of their brethren.
shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?
Wrencher: On the subject of autism, I ran across this recently.MIND Institute, Yale study finds abnormalities in the placentas of children at risk for autism
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