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2013-08-25 07:59:35 PM  

Hollie Maea: I don't blame McCarthy. You can always find someone saying something stupid.


The difference with McCarthy is that she had a prominent soapbox to broadcast her deadly advice. She wasn't some barking idiot on the cross-town bus.

She actively cast her deadly speech in a very wide swath in the media.
 
2013-08-25 08:04:10 PM  

lazymojo: it's not just hippies and dumb hollywood celebrities hating on vaccines... Michele Bachmann and Alex Jones both spoke out against the evils of vaccination.  that evil big government, big science plot to ruin yer kidz!


Don't forget Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I remember when he was on The Daily Show and started ranting about vaccines, Jon Stewart looked like he just wanted to crawl under his desk.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/20 13 /06/robert_f_kennedy_jr_vaccine_conspiracy_theory_scientists_and_journ alists.html
 
2013-08-25 08:04:40 PM  

zabadu: I wish I could say I hope the child gets really sick and dies so the smug, anti-vax parents can be taught a lesson, but I can't wish that on anyone, even if they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.


I hope someone else suffers and dies to teach you a lesson!
 
2013-08-25 08:07:59 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?


Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a person with the measles becomes contagious several days before the tell tale rash appears. They can show little to no symptoms up until that point and what symptoms they have can easily be mistaken for a mild cold or flu prior to the rash.
 
2013-08-25 08:09:13 PM  
Little do the smug Ameriturds  know......... that most of the world cannot afford vaccinations.
 
2013-08-25 08:18:34 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a person with the measles becomes contagious several days before the tell tale rash appears. They can show little to no symptoms up until that point and what symptoms they have can easily be mistaken for a mild cold or flu prior to the rash.


It's bad enough when grown adults are running around outside when they're sick, making themselves even sicker and exposing everyone they come into contact with to whatever is they have, but shouldn't we, oh I don't know, treat young children just a tad bit different and keep them the hell home?  When I was a kid and was sick, even if I didn't look that sick, my parents kept my ass in the house until I was better.  So even if the measles rash hadn't appeared, if the kid was sick enough for someone to think they might have a cold or the flu.....THE PARENTS SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THE KID OUT INTO PUBLIC.
 
2013-08-25 08:19:05 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers:

If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Agreed. Except my parents made sure I was immunized when they gave out shots at public school in first grade so it's no skin off my back; maybe the idjits' dead sprogs can be attributed to "Darwin." And maybe dying of measles in a few days would spare the kids years of worse damage from their parents' stupidity later on. It is too bad there's not a germ we could target at anti-vaxxers themselves that'll spare their kids, but maybe Science can work on that.

I once read a novel about an engineered (flu?) virus that targeted only people with brown hair & brown eyes (IIRC). That's a stupid idea, it'd hit hardest at the hawt Latinas I drool over every time I go shopping, but it'd be great if a particular gene variation was common to anti-vaxxers or people who are genetically inclined to take such positions so we might develop a quick fatal infection just for them. Someday we might identify genes for bible-thumping, militant teetotaling, "Obama is a Marxist Kenyan" and such-like, so we can conjure counter-measures against that too. All it'd take is one good bundle of bugs.
 
2013-08-25 08:22:04 PM  
I'm a bad man because I'm kinda hoping the kid was autistic.
 
2013-08-25 08:22:26 PM  

haolegirl: shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?

IIRC, the first vaccine is at 12 months or so. That would mean anyone younger would be susceptible.


First vaccine is recommended 12-15 months of age. Such young'uns depend on herd immunity.

That's why everyone hates the anti-vaxxers; the 'vaxxers are intentionally defeating herd immunity.

If everyone could be vaccinated on day one of their lives, no one would really give a shiat about the 'vaxxers 'cos they would really only pose a problem to themselves.*

* ignoring the fact that some people may not be able to get a vaccine due to some other condition and thus also be dependent on herd immunity
 
2013-08-25 08:24:32 PM  

FrancoFile: I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

I remember getting my yellow card updated in the late sixties for Europe. In the fifties and early sixties it was absolutely necessary.
 
2013-08-25 08:24:59 PM  
I ate at a Chi-Chi's once during a time when an employee had Hep-B, so I had to go get a shot. I passed out. It was pretty cool.
 
2013-08-25 08:25:30 PM  

wademh: I'm a bad man because I'm kinda hoping the kid was autistic.


Rideshare to hell? I'll chip in for gas.
 
2013-08-25 08:29:29 PM  
By the way, my 17 year old niece, without any prompting or instruction from me, said the problem with anarchism is that most people just aren't smart enough to live in anarchy. The anti-vaxxer movement might provide a shortcut.
 
2013-08-25 08:30:07 PM  
SqyzerBopCharlie. The Measles King!
 
2013-08-25 08:31:48 PM  
Jenny McCarthy and others of her babykilling antivaxxer ilk deserve (deserves?) to die very, very slowly and painfully.  I have spoken.
 
2013-08-25 08:31:49 PM  
So I'm guessing the kid with the measles wasn't autistic.
 
2013-08-25 08:32:43 PM  
zabadu:they are arrogant, uninformed ass wipes.

It's impossible, in this day and age, for two modern American parents to be "uninformed" about the importance of vaccinations.  The parents DELIBERATELY did this to their kid.
 
2013-08-25 08:32:59 PM  

SweetDickens: Little do the smug Ameriturds  know......... that most of the world cannot afford vaccinations.


bbbut I thought America had shiatty healthcare coverage! Euroshiats and Canadcraps won't shut up about it!

just because other people are poor, doesn't mean others should voluntarily abstain from something beneficial.
 
2013-08-25 08:39:12 PM  
meat0918: re: vaccine failures

I've had my titers drawn a couple times as an adult--once when I worked at a hospital, the other time when I started grad school--and both times I showed no immunity to one of the MMR diseases (can't remember which).  In both cases, I got a booster.  The second booster was five years after the first one.

It's as if the vaccine just won't "take" for me.

/can't figure out if I'm immune or not
 
2013-08-25 08:39:46 PM  
To bad it wasn't Portland.
 
2013-08-25 08:44:44 PM  

lohphat: FrancoFile: Donnchadha: The My Little Pony Killer: How did they manage to sneak the little disease vector into Europe without his shots?

Europe?

I've never been asked for proof of vaccination when traveling to Europe...

Because once upon a time the US was a civilized country and vaccinations were part of public health policy.

Now, not so much.



Maybe Europe could start requiring proof of vaccination from American citizens before letting them step on European soil?
 
2013-08-25 08:47:24 PM  
I've been vaccinated for protection against tolio, and the kneesles, but was born with immunity to smallcox.
 
2013-08-25 08:49:09 PM  
I would panic...

BUT EVERY FREAKIN PERSON I CARE ABOUT IN THIS WORLD HAS HAD THE MMR VACCINE.

Despite their relation to me, some people approach things sanely. Literally and figuratively.
 
2013-08-25 08:49:52 PM  
I was a kid in the '50s, so Polio was THE vaccine. I had mumps, measles, chicken pox and rubella. Got Chicken Pox again at 40. Outside of infrequent bouts of shingles, the first three did me no harm. Rubella cost me the sight in one eye. So, I'm glad that vaccines are available and in favor of making them mandatory.
 
2013-08-25 08:52:27 PM  
the problem that this poses, beyond the obvious risks to unvaccinated folks and those for whom the vaccine fails, is that this gives new vectors for diseases to be exposed to drugs and mutate, much like antibiotic resistent TB and such, coming back to bite us in the ass because nothing we have will touch them, and pharmaceuticals being such big business all but guarantees any treatments developed will be extremely expensive, making many face the choice between death and paying for the rest of their lives to the same pharmas to manage their symptoms. Call me paranoid, but it seems to me that more money goes into research for treatments of things like AIDS and cancer than goes into cure research. you hear occasional cases of someone being "cured" but they soon disappear and little further study and research goes into how it was achieved. I am often cynical about health care reform and single payer because it does nothing to put a dent in the absolute stranglehold of medical equipment and drug providers, just deals with the aftermath of the outrageous overcharging they get away with. /life saving drugs should not be patentable. //life saving equipment that cost a couple hundred to a couple grand to build shouldn't cost ten times that to the consumer. ///a CPAP machine that has roughly $150 of electronics in it costs close to $1500...why?
 
2013-08-25 08:53:08 PM  
full site + Firefox on android = formatting fail.
 
2013-08-25 08:54:12 PM  

The One True TheDavid: ecmoRandomNumbers:

If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

Agreed. Except my parents made sure I was immunized when they gave out shots at public school in first grade so it's no skin off my back; maybe the idjits' dead sprogs can be attributed to "Darwin." And maybe dying of measles in a few days would spare the kids years of worse damage from their parents' stupidity later on. It is too bad there's not a germ we could target at anti-vaxxers themselves that'll spare their kids, but maybe Science can work on that.

I once read a novel about an engineered (flu?) virus that targeted only people with brown hair & brown eyes (IIRC). That's a stupid idea, it'd hit hardest at the hawt Latinas I drool over every time I go shopping, but it'd be great if a particular gene variation was common to anti-vaxxers or people who are genetically inclined to take such positions so we might develop a quick fatal infection just for them. Someday we might identify genes for bible-thumping, militant teetotaling, "Obama is a Marxist Kenyan" and such-like, so we can conjure counter-measures against that too. All it'd take is one good bundle of bugs.


Put ergot psychotropics in homeopathic "remedies." No need to rely on genetics, just gullible people being gullible.

/I hope that's not obscure.
//It's almost as if it could have been written just yesterday.
 
2013-08-25 09:14:28 PM  

SweetDickens: Little do the smug Ameriturds  know......... that most of the world cannot afford vaccinations.


At least you got one bite this time. You need a better schtick though, that one is way too obvious. Go ask an adult for help, maybe they'll hook you up.


It's a shame you probably can't prove you got the infection from that particular little snowflake, and sue their parents.

/Also, what's with the sudden influx of really shiatty trolls?
 
2013-08-25 09:19:02 PM  
Carlin on germs (YouTube)

"Take a farking chance, buncha goddamn pussies."
 
2013-08-25 09:19:55 PM  
All the people raging about taking he kid out in public Gould remember it has become illegal to leave kids at home alone.
 
2013-08-25 09:20:34 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: All the people raging about taking he kid out in public Gould remember it has become illegal to leave kids at home alone.


Should. Not Gould.
 
2013-08-25 09:22:06 PM  

J Noble Daggett: wademh: I'm a bad man because I'm kinda hoping the kid was autistic.

Rideshare to hell? I'll chip in for gas.


I'll fly and buy on this road trip guys.
 
2013-08-25 09:26:18 PM  
Mrbogey Eh... It's Seattle. They bought their tickets...
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Guy from Europe who knows something about the danger of communicable diseases in Seattle...
 
2013-08-25 09:35:51 PM  
I'm sorry, you failed to vaccinate your little snowflake because you listened to a celebrity and not your doctor and now he's contracted measles from a random stranger in a restaurant?

Good.

Let the weeding of the idiots begin.
 
2013-08-25 09:41:24 PM  
Kit Fister: ...//life saving equipment that cost a couple hundred to a couple grand to build shouldn't cost ten times that to the consumer. ///a CPAP machine that has roughly $150 of electronics in it costs close to $1500...why?

Because Free Market Capitalism! The markup on hearing aids is pretty astounding too. $3K for something that wholesales for a few hundred.
 
2013-08-25 09:48:57 PM  
When I was a student at the University of Washington, I would eat at Aladdins all the time.  There's actually two of them. One on the north and south end of the Ave.  Their lamb and beef gyros are the best I've ever had.  I would, almost, go so far as to say that they make better late night drunk food than Dick's drive-in.
 
2013-08-25 09:59:45 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't that goddamn kid vaccinated?  Furthermore, if your little precious bundle of joy has a communicable disease, you know, like the farking measles, why wouldn't you keep the kid at home?  How brain dead do you have to be to think exposing your highly infectious offspring to god knows how many people, both adults and children alike, is a smart thing to do?

Those parents ought to be smacked in the face with a frozen trout.


BECAUSE ITS THAT CHILDS RIGHT TO BE OUT IN PUBLIC YOU COMMUNIST NAZI PIG.

/or something, right? precious snowflakes deserve the world
//study it out
 
2013-08-25 10:06:30 PM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: Carlin on germs (YouTube)

"Take a farking chance, buncha goddamn pussies."


Carlin was a Comedian, not a physician or scientist. Comedians make people laugh, but they suck at keeping them from dying from preventable diseases.

2.bp.blogspot.com

So yeah, take a chance, you pussies!

drugline.org
 
2013-08-25 10:11:14 PM  

blender61: To bad it wasn't Portland.


The kid was all over Portland too:
http://www.co.washington.or.us/HHS/News/measles-august-2013.cfm
 
2013-08-25 10:15:45 PM  

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


That question was answered in the comments [but no one should read comments that the general public can get their hands on uncensored].
They said, "No vaccine is 100% effective"--NWNative  and:
"For vaccines to be truly effective, you must achieve herd immunity which is around 94% of the population vaccinated. This is how we eradicated smallpox across the world - we vaccinated EVERYONE who wasn't allergic to the ingredients."  --quidproquo  http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Health-officials-Chi ld-with-measles -visited-U-District-store-221011941.html
 
2013-08-25 10:21:36 PM  

lazymojo: it's not just hippies and dumb hollywood celebrities hating on vaccines... Michele Bachmann and Alex Jones both spoke out against the evils of vaccination.  that evil big government, big science plot to ruin yer kidz!


I heard an audio clip of Alex Jones the other day.

I said "Hey, that's Red Green."

Now it all makes sense.

You have heard it here first:  Anti-vaxxers are one arm of a secret Canadian terrorist organization.  Their goal is to take over the US and control us with poutine-fueled national health care, in a Master/Blaster kind of arrangement.
 
2013-08-25 10:28:07 PM  

Yakivegas: Kit Fister: ...//life saving equipment that cost a couple hundred to a couple grand to build shouldn't cost ten times that to the consumer. ///a CPAP machine that has roughly $150 of electronics in it costs close to $1500...why?

Because Free Market Capitalism! The markup on hearing aids is pretty astounding too. $3K for something that wholesales for a few hundred.


More like unbalanced development and delivery costs.
Conceptionally inventing something is relatively cheap. Developing it as a viable product is expensive. You want it to work in a hospital? You may need FDA approval, you need lots of other approvals. You need to get CE certified. You have to look out for all sorts of ways that creative idiots can break it, get it wet, electrocute themselves with it, miscalibrate it, misread it. You have to test those $150 worth of parts to make sure they don't misbehave and check their manufacturers to make sure they build them consistently. You need to pay the people who do all this, now how to do all this, know how to negotiate with regulators who think they know how the process works but are unfamiliar with the actual system and don't understand why your method of testing and verification is actually more reliable than their off-the-cuff suggestions.

And they don't teach all this in school so you need to have people around to train others how to do all this. Then you need marketing to deal with the idiots who don't understand that things cost more than the raw price of the parts and trivial assembly.
 
2013-08-25 10:30:43 PM  
We have our own rich kid measles victim here too. Can't be the same kid since the dates overlap:

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/08/24/hamilton-confirmed- ca se-of-measles.html
 
2013-08-25 10:39:40 PM  

shtychkn: Isn't it only a threat to others who were not vaccinated?


Not at all.  Vaccination isn't 100% effective at creating immunity.  Some individuals never develop a sufficiently strong immune response to the vaccine.  Others develop the initial immune response, but lose the immunity at a faster than expected rate (all vaccinations lose some of their effect over time, hence why there are booster shots).
 
2013-08-25 10:39:49 PM  

MutantMotherMouse: I caught measles from the vaccination.

Uh, no. This is the kind of anecdotal stuff that leads people to give up real science, thus can lead to outbreaks in the first place.

"

The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing."

"[T]raveled extensively" --Oh! Really. Interesting. This is just a hypothesis, but, I bet you got it overseas before you showed any signs.  You may be suffering from one of the very rare vaccine failures, or partial vaccine failures. Thus you got it despite everything that an individual could do. Just because you have had vaccines "more than once" does not mean you have been properly immunized. Read the CDC guidelines.

This is why herd immunity is so important.

You cannot catch measles from its vaccine, same for the flu vaccine. Read and educate yourself:   http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-v a ccine/mmr-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine.html
It is a very "bad thing" for babies to be exposed to measles, of course. I am glad that *this time* there was no tragedy. Don't rely on luck of the draw and ask your doctor if she thinks the vaccines failed for you.
 
2013-08-25 10:46:49 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples -  That is fantastic. I love Pandemic.
 
2013-08-25 10:49:39 PM  

bubo_sibiricus: I'm sorry, you failed to vaccinate your little snowflake because you listened to a celebrity and not your doctor and now he's contracted measles from a random stranger in a restaurant?

Good.

Let the weeding of the idiots begin.


I want so badly to agree with you, but I can't. Kids are subject to the whims of their parents, and I just can't countenance making a child pay the price for the stupidity of adults. If it were adults dropping like flies, I'm right there with you, because one would presume that they're old enough to make their own decisions. But kids? Sorry, can't do it.
 
2013-08-25 11:16:51 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.

Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".


Fark memes are beyond you? You need to you five bucks back.
 
2013-08-25 11:17:35 PM  

Katolu: Gecko Gingrich: ChubbyTiger: ecmoRandomNumbers: If an infant outbreak can be traced to that kid, the parents should be arrested. And sterilized.

I believe that your foremost sail is cut in a manner which is pleasing to my eye.

Dude. This isn't "Casual Encounters".

Fark memes are beyond you? You need to you five bucks back.


And I need my verb...
 
2013-08-25 11:34:58 PM  

dogblue: MutantMotherMouse: I caught measles from the vaccination.

Uh, no. This is the kind of anecdotal stuff that leads people to give up real science, thus can lead to outbreaks in the first place.

"The booster I had to have before I could be released with our newborn. I couldn't believe I needed a booster as I had traveled extensively and had every immunization under the sun, more than once. Oddly the doctors assured me our baby was immune, but my mother-in-law caught them from me and my pregnant sister-in-law could not visit until we were well. None of which was necessarily a bad thing."

"[T]raveled extensively" --Oh! Really. Interesting. This is just a hypothesis, but, I bet you got it overseas before you showed any signs.  You may be suffering from one of the very rare vaccine failures, or partial vaccine failures. Thus you got it despite everything that an individual could do. Just because you have had vaccines "more than once" does not mean you have been properly immunized. Read the CDC guidelines.

This is why herd immunity is so important.

You cannot catch measles from its vaccine, same for the flu vaccine. Read and educate yourself:   http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/a-look-at-each-v a ccine/mmr-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine.html
It is a very "bad thing" for babies to be exposed to measles, of course. I am glad that *this time* there was no tragedy. Don't rely on luck of the draw and ask your doctor if she thinks the vaccines failed for you.


I'm not sure what of my comment set you off, but I, in fact, had an outbreak of measles due to the vaccine. My OB/GYN had never it had it happen before in her 17+ years of practice, but 5-15% of adults immunized breakout with a measles rash and other measles symptoms (fever, etc). In my early 20's, I was a page away from filling an immunization record book. Obviously, I'm pro-vaccination.

As far as our newborn, I was terrified of transmitting the disease. Especially as I was nursing her. Pediatrician and OB/GYN had no concern of transmission to her. She nursed and I cared for her as normal. Both of our children received all of their immunizations as scheduled with no problems.

Your statement of my having them prior -- I'll don't know. It was not a question at the time. Within 24 hours of the vaccine I was covered with a measles rash. I hadn't traveled during my pregnancy, and the physicians didn't indicate that there could be a lengthy gestation period for the disease.

The biggest concern really was for my pregnant sister-in-law and my father who was in the midst chemo.

It happened. We itched like crazy and life went on. The aforementioned 'newborn' is now 26, perfectly healthy, and working on filling her passport and immunization records. Thankfully with no incident.
 
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