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(Omaha World Herald)   Today, the Omaha World Herald decides to play "Let's make everyone feel guilty about not having children"   (omaha.com) divider line 197
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2013-08-26 12:35:31 AM  
Yet another thing people want to fight over, but shouldn't.
 
2013-08-26 12:36:19 AM  
My wife and I had kids... There are days I wish I hadn't...

... Take today for instance. I just found out my kid threw out a video game that I hadn't gotten a chance to play yet. I did, however, figure out where all our dish towels were vanishing to. He's been throwing EVERYTHING out when he's done with it.
 
2013-08-26 12:36:33 AM  

theMightyRegeya: Ringshadow: /aromantic cis straight chick

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Basically my idea of an ideal relationship would be to go to a metal show, fark the pictures off the wall then play video games until four AM, and at no point do we sit down and get touchy feely about it. No flowers, no frippery, no candlelight dinners, no monopolizing my time because I won't monopolize yours.

/doesn't understand 'white people smiling at each other in the rain' movies
//I have no innate need or drive for that crap, sue me
 
2013-08-26 12:43:15 AM  

Forty-Two: I just had a baby within the past month. My husband is one of those people who always wanted to be a father. I'm one of those people who's been ambivalent toward becoming a mother. Caring for a newborn is the most stressful thing I've ever done in my life. It's more stressful than my comprehensive exams; it's more stressful than when the economy tanked and both of us were working full-time jobs and still not making quite enough money. I'm still reeling from hormones and sleep deprivation, and I'm breastfeeding, so I'm literally being drained of my energy--and here's a helpless human being who demands all my attention. It's tough. I tell myself I made the right decision, but that's mostly because there's really no going back now.

So, I respect people who decide to have kids. I respect people who decide not to have kids. It's not for everyone. I'm not entirely convinced it's for me...but my little guy is really adorable, and he's going to smile someday.


Congrats! One thing to keep in mind with babies is keep your eye on them because they can get into trouble quicker than you think, especially when they become mobile. Also, don't coddle them too much. They're going to fall down, get banged up, eat some dirt, slap or bite another kid and vomit someplace inappropriate often in their childhood. Let them do those things but hug them when they need it. Take lots and lots of pictures. And remember, the goofy stuff they do makes for great family stories when they get older.
 
2013-08-26 12:51:28 AM  

Godscrack: More anti gay propaganda from Christian 'pro family' groups.

They want to you procreate and have many children, then they turn around and push for stricter immigration laws that rip families apart.


Holy shiat did you not bother reading the article...   But then again, political people are always moronic extremists and fairly retarded in their thinking. Sheep never bother doing anything with initiative. That article was fairly neutral and merely examined a trend. Idiot.

Anyways, I never bothered having kids myself. Didn't see a point really. More than enough people in the world and frankly that 1 or 2% of the time that are great experiences come at a cost of 99 to 98% of the time that are awful ones and needless hardship and annoyance. Want a kid? Steal a sibling's or friend's for a few hours or even a day... You will be disabused of the notion of wanting to own it yourself.

As a small business owner, I've seen it firsthand, having children is the death of all ambition. Something about becoming/being a parent turns your employees into very lackluster, terrible assets with no verve, imagination, or ambition beyond being schlubs and getting by everyday without effort. I make it a point to hire young people or single, middle-aged folk to work for me. They are hungry and do well.
 
2013-08-26 12:54:56 AM  

Ringshadow: /doesn't understand 'white people smiling at each other in the rain' movies


It hides the tears.
 
2013-08-26 01:20:51 AM  
7 Billion people and counting. If you want to have kids (and have the financial means to raise them) then go right ahead. Don't act like I'm some selfish asshole for not creating my own though, that really ticks me off when people do that. My whole region has been getting crowded, the last thing we really need are more people.
 
2013-08-26 01:25:21 AM  

LemSkroob: We tend to speak of going child-free (or is it childless?) in hushed tones, mainly to people who we suspect may share our point of view.

Its not 'Chlidless' you sans-soul ginger. Childless (like homeless) implies a lack of something. Childfree is a choice.


Do childless people not lack children? They may lack them by choice and be happy, but they're no less childless.
 
2013-08-26 02:07:54 AM  

jotamono: lostcat:But then, but the time we're that old, Diablo 12 is going to keep your mind off of all that crap, I'm betting.

I think you meant diablo 4.


I laughed.
 
2013-08-26 02:46:40 AM  

lostcat: Didn't make it through the article. Don't really care what some columnist in Omaha thinks.

I can understand people in my own generation (and younger) not wanting to have kids. We're all pretty self-centered (can't think of a way to say that that doesn't sound negative, but there you have it). Our childhoods have extended way beyond what previous generations were able to get away with. Video games are the norm for people in their 20s and 30s (I'm in my 40s, and I've spent a solid part of this weekend playing Ingress and Baldur's Gate).

So, why would we want to have to put up with mewling, crying, attention-needing kids? I never wanted a kid, even through my mid 30s. Too much hassle. Too much responsibility. Not enough me time. Not enough time/energy for good sex. Who needs that?

But then I was talking to a neighbor who is in her 60s. Her mother died recently, and she has no husband or children. She looks miserable most of the time I see her. She says that there is nobody left in the world who cares if she lives or dies. She said she never expected that feeling. But now that she has no living family, she feels like a stranger on the planet.

I look at my parents. They are just breaking 70. Their brothers and sisters are dropping like flies. All they have left is me and my sister to care about them, visit them and give them any emotional support.

So, while I understand my friends and peers who think having kids is crazy, I don't know how many of them have really, honestly thought about the end of their lives (who spends time dwelling that anyway?) and considered what this world will feel like when everyone they love is dead, and they have no family left on the face of the earth.

But then, but the time we're that old, Diablo 12 is going to keep your mind off of all that crap, I'm betting.


Just going to throw this out there.

 You can play video games with your kids.

 The mewling crying phase ends pretty quickly in all honesty (it doesn't *feel* that way sometimes, but suddenly one day you look back and it's gone).

 This evening my husband flew IL2 (an old favorite of his) with our 9 year old son. Even with the realism cranked up our son flies plenty good enough to play with him (granted our son is an airplane nut too. ;) )

 He also joins us playing other games as well, everything from co-op dungeon crawlers to racing games. He's quite good and so it's a lot of fun!

/used to listen to the weekly WoW family meeting at a breakfast house back in the day, where the family of 4 discussed strategy over pancakes and eggs.
 
2013-08-26 02:48:35 AM  

BlousyBrown: Witness99: I'm 41 with two dogs and an SO.

I can see this argument from both sides. I do feel somewhat guilty for not having kids (but plan to adopt later btw) because somebody has to do the work of raising the next generation. To be callous, the next group of working taxpayers that will fund our future elderly asses (unless you're super successful and rich and don't need that). It seems like a pretty reasonable duty to society.

OTOH, it's a lot harder now to pull everything off. I REALLY wanted kids in my 30s and put a lot of effort into relationships. It doesn't always work out. If I had it to do all over again, I would work on kids/marriage first and career later.

But on the other, other hand...I do also have to admit that being a DINK (double income no kids) is fun too. Maybe the secret is to just be happy with what situation you land in and don't keep second guessing your decisions :)

I agree don't second guess your choices. So far my bf and I have chosen to remain child-free and there is no chance we'll change our minds.
Not gonna feel bad about it.


This.

 Just don't hurt anyone and try to enjoy life.

/don't double guess yourself and don't let anyone tell you your life is over if you have/don't have kids.
//both ways can be a lot of fun.
 
2013-08-26 02:49:14 AM  
Oh you poor oppressed childless adults.
With your lack of expenses, plenty of free time and flexibility, and minimal responsibility for other people.

You are so discriminated against.
 
2013-08-26 02:52:18 AM  

emjoi: Oh you poor oppressed childless adults.
With your lack of expenses, plenty of free time and flexibility, and minimal responsibility for other people.

You are so discriminated against.


Buying groceries is kind of hard. I never manage to use all the celery before it goes bad.

/why do they insist on packing two bundles of stalks together?
 
2013-08-26 02:56:59 AM  
Aside from the fact that I am not currently in a relationship with a woman, and thus have no capability of producing children, I will never have unprotected sex with a woman again in my lifetime. Why? Because I feel that life is pointless.

I used to believe in God. I used to believe that there was some sort of "master plan" that I was a part of. But over the years, after seeing the evidence (wars, sickness, disease, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc), and realizing that life and death was so *random*, that good people die, bad people live, and nothing a person did in life could change that, I came to the conclusion that there is no master plan, that there is no supreme being who gives a rat's ass about us or our well being, and that we, as human beings, are nothing more than a cosmic, genetic, accident. We are just the result of some sort of genetic evolution, where a bunch of gloopy cells floating in water found different ways to combine together, and eventually, over millions or billions of years, what we now know as humans is the result. We are not "God's children", so no one cares about us or watches over us. Nothing we do matters, and nothing we do is being paid attention to. Unfortunately, contrary to a lot of atheists,  I don't believe that death is the end of me. I can not and will not accept the idea that when I die, everything just goes black for all eternity. My consciousness, my intelligence, my "spirit", if you want to call it that, will not simply wink out of existence when I die. Unfortunately, it will continue on. But, it will have no where to *go*. Since there is no God, that means there is no heaven, no hell, no destination. My consciousness will float free from my body... and go nowhere. I will probably stay sane for a time, remembering things that happened during my life, but eventually, my consciousness will be overcome by the sheer *emptiness* of it all, and I will go stark, raving, mad. And that is how I, and everyone else, spends eternity.

So why would I chose to not have children? Because I don't want to create another life that ultimately has to go through that sort of existence. It is better if they are simply never born.
 
2013-08-26 03:07:03 AM  

emjoi: Oh you poor oppressed childless adults.
With your lack of expenses, plenty of free time and flexibility, and minimal responsibility for other people.

You are so discriminated against.



You're right, I'm lucky to be unable to have children. I'm lucky to have relatives who call me "satanic" and "diseased" every time they hear my name. I'm lucky to have had an employer deny me a promotion on the basis of "I want a real man for this job, and anyone without children isn't a real man". I'm lucky to be constantly reminded that I'll always be the outcast of society, because I'm physically unable to do "what humans are supposed to do".

But please, feel free to share your vast wealth of knowledge about the constant euphoria that childless people have every moment of their lives. Clearly you've lived as a childless adult for far longer than I have, so you should know exactly how one can overcome the societal norms dictating that anyone who is childless at 30 is a complete failure at life and deserves to die alone.
 
2013-08-26 03:25:14 AM  
Zebulon:  Because I feel that life is pointless.

Life is for having fun and enjoying yourself and your loved ones. That's the point; that's the master plan.
 
2013-08-26 05:22:55 AM  

Zebulon: Aside from the fact that I am not currently in a relationship with a woman, and thus have no capability of producing children, I will never have unprotected sex with a woman again in my lifetime. Why? Because I feel that life is pointless.


I don't want to sound flip, but you might consider talking to someone about your feelings. I kind of remember going through a phase like that when I was in my early 30s and my first long-term relationship had fallen apart.

Also, never say never. You'd be surprised how radically different you can think about things, even in a relatively short span of time.
 
2013-08-26 05:42:01 AM  

lostcat: Zebulon: Aside from the fact that I am not currently in a relationship with a woman, and thus have no capability of producing children, I will never have unprotected sex with a woman again in my lifetime. Why? Because I feel that life is pointless.

I don't want to sound flip, but you might consider talking to someone about your feelings. I kind of remember going through a phase like that when I was in my early 30s and my first long-term relationship had fallen apart.

Also, never say never. You'd be surprised how radically different you can think about things, even in a relatively short span of time.


I tried talking to a good friend of mine about my loss of faith and such a couple years ago. I quickly stopped once I realized that I was making him question his *own* faith, and I didn't want to drag him down to my level. I have thought about trying to go to some sort of counseling or treatment for depression, but I don't know how they would handle the "lack of faith" part. I don't want to start some sort of treatment only to have them tell me they can't help and I need to go talk to a priest or pastor.
 
2013-08-26 06:39:33 AM  

Zebulon: I don't want to start some sort of treatment only to have them tell me they can't help and I need to go talk to a priest or pastor.


I also don't want to have to go to work if it doesn't lead to some sort of a career. I don't want to go on a first date if it's not going to lead to a marriage. I don't want to go to the vending machine because it might steal my money (a legitimate concern in my area!).

Total loss of interest in being is a pretty serious thing dude. You should get that checked out, even if it takes going to more than one source. I think that with the proper help, you will regain your enjoyment and purpose in life, and realize that you are a worthwhile person. Good luck.
 
2013-08-26 07:03:23 AM  
Do you people really want me to produce a bunch of little mini me's?
 
2013-08-26 07:58:48 AM  

Zebulon: I tried talking to a good friend of mine about my loss of faith and such a couple years ago. I quickly stopped once I realized that I was making him question his *own* faith, and I didn't want to drag him down to my level. I have thought about trying to go to some sort of counseling or treatment for depression, but I don't know how they would handle the "lack of faith" part. I don't want to start some sort of treatment only to have them tell me they can't help and I need to go talk to a priest or pastor.


Oh, you're not depressed, you're just an adult now. No sky daddy gives a crap about you. Boohoo. Find a hobby or something.
 
2013-08-26 08:41:09 AM  

universebetween: dont have kids

will never have kids.

very glad.

fark you for having kids.


Hey, fark you buddy.
 
2013-08-26 08:44:47 AM  

Fallout Zone: KeithLM: Where's the guilt in this article?  Seems to me the author supports the idea that people should make this decision for themselves and shouldn't feel guilty about it.

Yeah, the headline reflects more on subby than reality.  Seems like a even-handed article.


If anything, the last sentence in the article--where she tries to have her cake and eat it, too--tells us its cool not to have kids and you won't be missing anything.
 
2013-08-26 08:52:40 AM  

lostcat: Didn't make it through the article. Don't really care what some columnist in Omaha thinks.

I can understand people in my own generation (and younger) not wanting to have kids. We're all pretty self-centered (can't think of a way to say that that doesn't sound negative, but there you have it). Our childhoods have extended way beyond what previous generations were able to get away with. Video games are the norm for people in their 20s and 30s (I'm in my 40s, and I've spent a solid part of this weekend playing Ingress and Baldur's Gate).

So, why would we want to have to put up with mewling, crying, attention-needing kids? I never wanted a kid, even through my mid 30s. Too much hassle. Too much responsibility. Not enough me time. Not enough time/energy for good sex. Who needs that?

But then I was talking to a neighbor who is in her 60s. Her mother died recently, and she has no husband or children. She looks miserable most of the time I see her. She says that there is nobody left in the world who cares if she lives or dies. She said she never expected that feeling. But now that she has no living family, she feels like a stranger on the planet.

I look at my parents. They are just breaking 70. Their brothers and sisters are dropping like flies. All they have left is me and my sister to care about them, visit them and give them any emotional support.

So, while I understand my friends and peers who think having kids is crazy, I don't know how many of them have really, honestly thought about the end of their lives (who spends time dwelling that anyway?) and considered what this world will feel like when everyone they love is dead, and they have no family left on the face of the earth.

But then, but the time we're that old, Diablo 12 is going to keep your mind off of all that crap, I'm betting.


Don't you find that as you get older, games and whatever entertainment or activities you use to distract yourself from life just don't really do their job as well as they used to? Do you re-watch movies or re-play through games less these days than you did before, simply because they aren't as fulfilling as they used to be?
 
2013-08-26 08:53:28 AM  
If you decide to be child-free/childless it is certainly your decision... but then don't complain when, in a few years, there are more of those people making decisions for you.
 
2013-08-26 09:19:02 AM  

Witness99: I've had a few drinks so I'm gonna get a little politically incorrect here. I would like to see productive members of society reproducing at the same level as those who are not productive, who live on welfare and refuse to raise their children properly (i.e. without fathers or supervision). I would like it to be possible for women who get a degree and establish careers also marry and reproduce, as much as those who don't.


Funny'd!
 
2013-08-26 09:36:48 AM  
You see so many articles these days about those choosing to be child-free and articles about women turning into head-of-household. You don't read about those couples that may want to have kids someday soon which don't want to be a leech on the social "safety net" to do so. I hear the argument that "oh we were younger than you when we had you and we made it work." Yes, my parents did make it work. Neither of them had a college education nor thousands of dollars in student debt on top of the expense of my brother and I plus their mortgage.
I consider my husband and I lucky to be able to afford our mortgage and all our bills with a smidge leftover for maybe one night out a month. Knowing that I am the primary source of income means that if I leave work to have a child, there would be no way to cover everything on the hubby's pay. One needs to be responsible in their decisions to avoid being a drain on society. It'd be nice if people thought to consider someone's possible financial standing before firing off the loaded "When are you having kids?" question. I'm sick of saying "When we win the lottery... which we don't play." or "When the student debt is paid off."
 
2013-08-26 10:16:53 AM  

Peekoo: They can't make me feel guilty for something I've never wanted.  It's like trying to make me feel guilty for not eating beets.  Not possible.


Mmm beets, cooked slowly with butter and dressed with lemon juice...

/Kids, no thanks
 
2013-08-26 10:46:45 AM  

FunkOut: Ah, there's nothing so enjoyable as people who had kids and people whose chose not to have kids both telling everyone how this makes them special and better than the other side.


Er, I've never known anyone who deliberately doesn't have kids to act as if it "makes them special." I have, however, met a ton of new parents who speak to me as though my life is worthless until I experience the miracle of having a child. "It just changes you! It makes you complete! You have no idea what you're missing! My life was so empty before having my snowflake!"...implying that my life is empty, too

Have you ever been irritated by a particularly pushy Christian who won't shut up about how your life will become puppy dogs and unicorn farts if you just saw the light? There are plenty of parents out there with the same attitude. Well, I'm a confirmed bachelor (I live with my GF - what I mean is no marriage and no kids), and I'm just fine with it. Yet I'm frequently informed that I'm missing out and should be pitied.
 
2013-08-26 11:00:32 AM  

Ringshadow: theMightyRegeya: Ringshadow: /aromantic cis straight chick

[400x300 from http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1366/79/1366795463230.jpg image 400x300]

Basically my idea of an ideal relationship would be to go to a metal show, fark the pictures off the wall then play video games until four AM, and at no point do we sit down and get touchy feely about it. No flowers, no frippery, no candlelight dinners, no monopolizing my time because I won't monopolize yours.

/doesn't understand 'white people smiling at each other in the rain' movies
//I have no innate need or drive for that crap, sue me


www.startrek.com
 
2013-08-26 11:05:24 AM  

dickfreckle: FunkOut: Ah, there's nothing so enjoyable as people who had kids and people whose chose not to have kids both telling everyone how this makes them special and better than the other side.

Er, I've never known anyone who deliberately doesn't have kids to act as if it "makes them special." I have, however, met a ton of new parents who speak to me as though my life is worthless until I experience the miracle of having a child. "It just changes you! It makes you complete! You have no idea what you're missing! My life was so empty before having my snowflake!"...implying that my life is empty, too

Have you ever been irritated by a particularly pushy Christian who won't shut up about how your life will become puppy dogs and unicorn farts if you just saw the light? There are plenty of parents out there with the same attitude. Well, I'm a confirmed bachelor (I live with my GF - what I mean is no marriage and no kids), and I'm just fine with it. Yet I'm frequently informed that I'm missing out and should be pitied.


You'd like me. I tell childless people what they want to hear all the time. It confirms their lifestyle and I get to vent a bit about my family. Then I go back to the fam and continue living a fulfilled life without pushing it in anyone's face.
 
2013-08-26 11:22:48 AM  

rka: Nabb1: When you're old and dependent on the next generation of workers to provide for your care, just remember you called them "parasites," and try to appreciate the irony before you die. Alone.

You ever spent any time in an old-folks home?

People with kids, people without kids, doesn't matter. They are all equally miserable. Medical science can prolong life but it can't make it actually worth living in many cases.

You ever had the experience of caring for an elderly relative who is just hanging on enough to suck every resource that they had and even their children had dry in some mockery of "quality of life"?

Dying alone is not my fear. Watching my older relatives (including my parents in the alarmingly rapidly approaching futre) hang on until the bitter end is.


-------------------------
My plan is to suckle on the working end of a shot gun the exact second it becomes apparent that I will need someone to "take care of me." I value independence more than most things in this world--I'll never let anyone else "take care of me."

I have never felt the slightest twinge of a maternal instinct in all of my life. I hated kids even when I was one. I have been able to accomplish amazing things in my life time. My life would have been ruined by having kids.
 
2013-08-26 11:35:01 AM  
2 local bumper stickers~ "If you can't feed'em, don't breed'em"
                                       "Cats Not Kids"
/works here, we're happy
 
2013-08-26 02:55:26 PM  

Nabb1: grumpfuff: Nabb1: pla: Nabb1 : When you're old and dependent on the next generation of workers to provide for your care, just remember you called them "parasites," and try to appreciate the irony before you die. Alone.

Thanks to not having kids, I'll most likely die with a positive net worth (though I'll do my damnedest to hit zero the day I die, make no mistake!). I'll have pretty young nurses wiping my arse once I can no longer handle that task.

And compared to what exactly? Kids grudgingly dragged in to the home for their monthly visit to grandma, so she can fail to remember their names and everyone has a good laugh and she doesn't even remember last month's visit next month?

Thanks, but no thanks. Glurge aside, I sincerely hope I still have the presence of mind when the doctors diagnose me with something fatal, so I can blow through the rest of my savings on hookers and blow, culminating with a swan-dive into a live volcano. You can have your crappy monthly "family time" at the home. I'll either go out with a bang, or won't know the difference for drooling on myself, thankyouverymuch.

/ Enjoy your choices.
// I will.  Or won't know the difference - Same thing.

If no one had kids, where would these "pretty young nurses" come from? Apart from your fantasies, we are actually in agreement - you aren't cut out for parenthood. Too many people like you who shouldn't have kids do, and the kids suffer for it. So, you've probably made the right choice. You can't be totally self-absorbed and be a good parent,

Considering how many people want kids as opposed to those who don't, that's a rather silly question.

As to the rest of your post..you sound bitter.

On the contrary. I'm not bitter at all. I think people like you would be terrible parents. I just find it funny that it's totally lost on you that one day you will essentially be a "parasite" - the creepy old lecher with no bowel control the nurses talk about. I admire people who are aware they aren't cut out for t ...


Whoever said I don't want kids? I was just pointing out you seem very angry at people who choose not to.
 
2013-08-26 03:01:36 PM  
I have not ever once in my life wanted to raise a child. I'm now 42. I'm not going to spin the wheel thinking "well gosh, maybe I'll change my mind once I have one". You can't take those things back to the store for a refund.
 
2013-08-26 03:41:08 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: LemSkroob: We tend to speak of going child-free (or is it childless?) in hushed tones, mainly to people who we suspect may share our point of view.

Its not 'Chlidless' you sans-soul ginger. Childless (like homeless) implies a lack of something. Childfree is a choice.

Do childless people not lack children? They may lack them by choice and be happy, but they're no less childless.


Its a lack of something wanted. Infertility = childless. Snipping the tubes = childfree
 
2013-08-26 03:50:55 PM  

LemSkroob: Mambo Bananapatch: LemSkroob: We tend to speak of going child-free (or is it childless?) in hushed tones, mainly to people who we suspect may share our point of view.

Its not 'Chlidless' you sans-soul ginger. Childless (like homeless) implies a lack of something. Childfree is a choice.

Do childless people not lack children? They may lack them by choice and be happy, but they're no less childless.

Its a lack of something wanted. Infertility = childless. Snipping the tubes = childfree


Sure, but also

Infertility = childfree. Snipping the tubes = childless (assuming one didn't have children to start with).

Sorry, don't know why I'm being pedantic about this. I don't really care either way.
 
2013-08-26 04:08:13 PM  

dickfreckle: FunkOut: Ah, there's nothing so enjoyable as people who had kids and people whose chose not to have kids both telling everyone how this makes them special and better than the other side.

Er, I've never known anyone who deliberately doesn't have kids to act as if it "makes them special."


You don't spend much time around Fark then? I also personally know people who say things like "Ugh, kids are so horrible, they take up all the time and energy and money I could use for video games and beer and acting like a teenager in my 30s and 40s."
 
2013-08-26 04:38:18 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Zebulon: I tried talking to a good friend of mine about my loss of faith and such a couple years ago. I quickly stopped once I realized that I was making him question his *own* faith, and I didn't want to drag him down to my level. I have thought about trying to go to some sort of counseling or treatment for depression, but I don't know how they would handle the "lack of faith" part. I don't want to start some sort of treatment only to have them tell me they can't help and I need to go talk to a priest or pastor.

Oh, you're not depressed, you're just an adult now. No sky daddy gives a crap about you. Boohoo. Find a hobby or something.


If only he had some children to help him through this rough patch.

/"lack of faith" = waking up and smelling the coffee of the world
 
2013-08-26 04:48:56 PM  

Godscrack: More anti gay rising wages propaganda from Christian 'pro family' corporate groups.

They want to you procreate and have many children, then they turn around and push for stricter looser immigration laws that rip families apart

ensure everyone except C-level officers and senior finance types gets paid less.
 
2013-08-26 08:33:11 PM  
None of you want me to be in charge of children anyway. Let's just all be glad that I agree.
 
2013-08-26 10:21:24 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ideal number is 2 or 3 kids for a couple in a developed country. Replace yourself and your spouse and maybe have one more for good measure/replace the kids who die before procreating (drown, sick, poisoned, etc).
Breeding like rabbits, while fun, is what's done in the third world because 2/3 of those kids will die before procreating.


If each couple has 0 to 5 kids, the average can still be 2.1 per family. Lifestyles vary, life goals vary.

I'm not worried about the Idiocracy problem, since except for disabling conditions, smarts are much more determined by nurture than by nature. Nor am I worried about unequal distribution of wealth, provided that we fund schools adequately. Any loved, wanted and well educated poor kid will be better prepared for adult life than a semi-neglected, but materially pampered child of upper class professionals. Not that those are the only two options. Basically, disparate family sizes are okay, so long as people make the choices that are right for them. It evens out on the whole.
 
2013-08-26 10:44:17 PM  
Fafai:
Don't you find that as you get older, games and whatever entertainment or activities you use to distract yourself from life just don't really do their job as well as they used to? Do you re-watch movies or re-play through games less these days than you did before, simply because they aren't as fulfilling as they used to be?

Nope. Not so. Tetris, Pac-man, and Sonic the Hedgehog are still way more fun than all my new video games combined.
Also, I would rather watch The Princess Bride twice a week forever than these new crap remakes of toy marketing movies.

// YMMV, esp. if ur not dain bramaged.
 
2013-08-26 10:55:47 PM  
Not everyone came here for the sole purpose of reproduction.
 
2013-08-27 12:46:22 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Zebulon: I tried talking to a good friend of mine about my loss of faith and such a couple years ago. I quickly stopped once I realized that I was making him question his *own* faith, and I didn't want to drag him down to my level. I have thought about trying to go to some sort of counseling or treatment for depression, but I don't know how they would handle the "lack of faith" part. I don't want to start some sort of treatment only to have them tell me they can't help and I need to go talk to a priest or pastor.

Oh, you're not depressed, you're just an adult now. No sky daddy gives a crap about you. Boohoo. Find a hobby or something.


You just don't get it. I'm not just "Boo hoo, there is no sky daddy", I'm "Giving birth is BAD, since those kids are just going to die". I'm "It doesn't matter if you are good or evil, you all go to the same place". I'm "I might as well be a selfish asshole, since it doesn't matter anyway". I'm trying really, really hard to not just give up on good\/evil, and not just decide I can murder/steal/rape because it all DOESN'T farkING MATTER!!! If this life is ALL there is, then I should want EVERYTHING I can get my dirty little hands on, and the rest of you can all go fark YOURSELVES!!!

But I just CAN'T be that selfish. I CAN'T make myself give up. Even if NOTHING I do matters long-term, it very much *does* matter short term. So even if I think that life is simply a waste of time, I *have* to try and be nice to people, because all of us are in this shiathole together, and I don't want to be the reason why anyone else's brief life was shtty. Like I said, it might not matter long-term, but it does matter to ME. *cry*
 
2013-08-27 03:44:36 AM  
Zebulon:
Your thought process is like an irregular skin growth, probably not malignant but you should definitely get it checked by a doctor. No counselor worth his/her salt would regard lack of faith as a mental health disorder. However, being disturbed about your beliefs is something important to talk through. You'll feel better.
Maybe try some drugs too.
Under most circumstances, life is better than non-life, even though it's all temporary.
Not seeing that truth is indeed a symptom of a possible problem (as is excessive use of caps-lock).
 
2013-08-27 08:28:42 AM  

E5bie: Fafai:
Don't you find that as you get older, games and whatever entertainment or activities you use to distract yourself from life just don't really do their job as well as they used to? Do you re-watch movies or re-play through games less these days than you did before, simply because they aren't as fulfilling as they used to be?

Nope. Not so. Tetris, Pac-man, and Sonic the Hedgehog are still way more fun than all my new video games combined.
Also, I would rather watch The Princess Bride twice a week forever than these new crap remakes of toy marketing movies.

// YMMV, esp. if ur not dain bramaged.


This is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. We don't disagree. The original person I was talking to was talking about new releases (Baldur's Gate 12). As you get old there's going to be less and less stuff to sedate yourself with if you only like the old nostalgia trips. Unless trying to break 100,000 pts on Pac-Man for the 8000th time, with arthiritis, really sounds like fun to you.

/did it once
//100,000
///Pac-Man
 
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